What about setting up the remote ID function like the Geo Zone unlock. Pilot gets a permission through DJI to have remote ID function shut off or on. @@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstituteif you just made the switch available for the small battery… I bet they can do that! It would get rid of the need to buy a module, and would be cheaper and more secure all around. Couldn’t say , Ops, my RID module battery must be dead.
@@PilotInstitute One would think that a switch for "Use Drone Remote ID with small battery" would still be acceptable. The drone can obviously already detect the difference. And failing to set the setting properly would be no different than simply not using a separate module when _other_ attachments take it over the 250g limit. Or am I missing something.
@@PilotInstitute "RID ON ONLY" option would suffice and only be operable with small battery. I am sure the FAA would LOVE more drones registered which would be the end result. Now they (DJI) are creating more illegal flyers and forcing us to spend more money to stay legal. There has to be a software fix for this. DJI turns RID off with small battery in firmware I am sure they could make an option when loading firmware to turn it ON. I'm pissed.
Many thanks for laying out the options. One additional consideration is what you should do if you are a US pilot who wants to take his drone on vacation to Europe, where you will be subject to the rules of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The rules just changed on January 1, 2024 and are quite complex, but to fly in the "open" category in the class A1 subcategory (very flexible, okay to fly in urban settings, max altitude 120 meters, no intentional flying over uninvolved people and no flying over gatherings), you need a drone like the DJI Mini 4 pro which weighs less than 250 grams (which means, only with the standard battery). Apparently drones sold in Europe have "class markings", and under 250 gram drones would have a C0 marking. But DJI Mini 4 pro drones sold in the US do not have "class markings", and as a result, are deemed to be legacy drones and, unless they are less than 250 grams, can only be flown in the class A3 subcategory (horizontal safety distance must be 150m from residential, commercial, industrial or recreational areas and there should be NO uninvolved people in the area of operation). For my purposes, it sounds like I will fly my Mini 4 Pro in the US using ONLY the extended battery (don't really see the sense in adding a RID module just to use the lighter battery), and when I visit Europe over the summer, I will fly using ONLY the standard (light) battery so I can fly in the class A1 subcategory. DJI is now permitting people who own the Mini 4 pro in Europe to apply for a new "C1" class marking, which would permit flying in the permissive Class A1 open category while using the extended battery (plus strobes, etc.), but I haven't yet discovered a way to apply for the sticker for a Mini 4 Pro purchased in the US. To fly in Europe you pretty much have to register as a "drone operator" as well, in addition to passing a basic online piloting course with the EASA.
This comment should be pinned, as it provides very useful information for pilots from outside the EU thinking about flying their drone in EASA territories! Well done 👍
I'm on the verge of getting a M4P just for recreational flying to see if I want to go any further to 107. Pilot Institute has been super valuable to me while I've been researching everything. Kept me from making the mistake of getting the extended battery option, making it super easy and safe to take my TRUST test etc and laid out everything so I know I'm doing things correctly. I appreciate you guys!
I own A DJI mini 3 that’s been registered since I am a part 107 certified but due to this change I had to buy the larger battery does this mean that I have to register the larger battery too? even though the drone is registered already?
@@felipecordero-us7bl I'm no expert, but would bet that if your drone is already registered there won't be any need to register the battery. I've never heard of registering just a battery and since it's not the actual vehicle I imagine that's why. As far as I understood it using the larger battery will allow the RID to become active. I'm pretty sure that happens because the larger battery causes the software to kick in and begin transmitting RID. To get a expert answer about this I would ask your question during one of the live streams. Greg is very good about interacting and answering questions. I would ask it in a super chat so it's sure to be seen rather than just hoping it gets seen in the normal chat. 👍
@@felipecordero-us7bl 2nd reply to you because I like to understand this stuff also. 😉 I re-watched the video to see if I could figure out an answer for you but I'd still get a expert answer from Greg. Upon re-watching my understanding is: Since you bought the larger battery your mini 3 should be transmitting RID internally with that battery. The only time you would have another registration would be if you use your smaller batteries and then you would have to use an RID module along with the smaller batteries. It's that RID module used with the smaller batteries that would need the registration. Hope this helps.
@@Montana_horseman thanks, I think you are right I don't think that I have to register the larger battery it should be ready and good to fly, thanks again for the insightful info and opinion I really appreciate it.
I plan to keep my smaller batteries, and only use them when I'm doing such things as firmware updates, or adjustments to controls that require the drone to be powered on.
DJI should add a switch to their firmware update to be able to switch on or leave off the RID only when using the smaller battery. That way if you’re required to have RID on because you registered the drone and have both batteries but flying the smaller one, then you don’t need to have a separate module.
I think DJI is trying to appease the "I will not comply folks". If you only fly recreationally, use the small battery only. You are legal. If you want to fly 107, buy the larger batteries only and you will be legal after registration, which you must do anyway under 107. I think Greg's dual registration scheme by buying an external RID module AND use a smaller battery for 107 flight is just too much a pain (which he was implying??).
I purchased the DJI Mini 4 Pro Plus just for work, never fun BUT the first flight out I got a RID Error with no broadcasting of RID, the drone flies find, smoother and more agile than the Mini 2, landed, power cycled then flew again this time the RID appeared on Drone Scanner with all the information. Finally, fully compliant with Part 107 thanks to Pilot Institute for the study course and Greg's many, many, many videos.
Because I think they consider that the professional version of the Mini 3, so they assume it's being used primarily by part 107 pilots. The Mini 3 would be the recreational version, which is why it was affected.
@@PilotInstitute Weird though, that they would consider mini 3 recreational (gets the change) and the mini 3 pro professional (does not get the change), while at the same time the mini 4 pro gets the change and therefore considered recreational? If the answer is because there is no mini 4, just a mini 4 pro, I recall that the mini 3 pro came out first, followed by the mini 3, so I am guessing you think the mini 4 won't follow the same pattern?
It’s true and thank you! I purchased two DJI mini 3 bundles in September 2024. One with RCN1 and the other with the newer RC and use only ultralight 249g batteries that came with. No broadcasting remote ID’s. The remote control flight checklist screen confirms this. In addition none of the stalker apps you can download ID my drones or their pilots location. Long live the DJI mini 3 for its Karen blocking ability and or any BS concerning stalker apps. Get the mini 3’s and forget about the pro version collision avoidance or drones that follow you around automatically. Stay off anyone’s radar with DJI mini3.
Considering that I’m currently still learning, but planning to start the 107 course soon to get my license… this makes me really consider getting the Air3 instead just so I don’t have to deal with the headache of figuring out which battery I can and can’t use.
It is unfortunate DJI did not choose to handle RID this way from the start, however, for those flying with the standard batteries who require RID (part 107, added accessories, etc..) the solution is as simply as purchasing a Plus battery. Alternatively one can add a RID module. I applaud the change as users flying with the standard batteries have no need to register with FAA, nor to broadcast RID. The FAA could simplify things by eliminating the need to transmit RID on registered drones when operated under 250 grams.
@pilotinstitute So I would un register my mini 3? I registered it, because you suggested that in a training video. After removing the registration I plan to fly only with the smaller battery. Would that be an option for compliance?
I just passed my 107 through your course and I purchased a mini 3 pro based upon this video. Noticed I cannot view it with drone scanner applications. Today I got a remote id error displayed on the display so our called DJI support. Spoke with 2 techs and was told by both that the 3 pro DOES NOT support remote id unless the larger battery plus is used the same as the 4. They told me I could send everything back for a refund but expect an email informing me of my options. If you search their website you will find as per this video it does support remote id and also when they link to the faa compliance site the information says it is compliant as my sn matches. Waiting to hear back from and when I do I will let them know to correct their website and also let the FAA know it is not complaint. I will let you know what I hear as I only have a few days to send the unit back to them.
It’s amazing that we can’t get a straight answer on this basic question! It would make sense that the mini 3 pro would act the same as the mini 3 and mini 4 pro based on the battery weight. I was surprised to hear in this video that the mini 3 pro always broadcasts RID regardless of size of battery!
I'm not afraid of registration or RID. I think my most cost effective route is to sell my 249 batteries and just upgrade. RID will be turned on, easy peasy, no worries.
FYI, there are TWO different types of standard ultra light batteries, the 2453 mah that came with the mini 3 series and the 2590 mah that came with the mini 4. Only the newer 2590 mah ultra light will get the firmware upgrade and stop broadcasting RID. The older 2453 mah battery if used with the mini 4 pro will NOT update and will still broadcast.
Well I wish I had read the comments first. I knee-jerk bought three of the plus batteries just so my Mini 3 would still transmit it RID. Well I guess I will now have 6 batteries 😂
but the older battery is heavier so if you use it in your drone it will fall under 107 right? since it will have more than 249grams (77.9gr new vs 80.5gr old)
@RobsTubeTV you can only dont update the firmware. Is there any improvement needed in this update or only this limitation? if not required skip it... Mini 3/3 pros will not receive any new feature now so I'll not update it anymore until be mandatory
@@hoffmannbeck actually I am fine with the RID being transmitted, in fact that’s why I went ahead and purchased three plus batteries. With the Wrapgrade skin I put on, it’s over 249g anyway. Which is why I want RID.
this seems like a similar situation of the firearms laws here in Texas, where you can carry legally without permit/registration, but once you register you now fall into a stricter set of guidelines and restrictions, so many people just don't register.
I'm not getting a module, I'm going to use the big battery for Part 107, but I'm not buying and flying a module with the small batteries, just because I registered the drone. There are like 1000 folks on the earth that even know the regulation statues.
@@spladam3845 i just got the mini4 flymore for christmas and recently passed my 107; i'm pretty upset that i'm now going to have to spend $300 more on a set of batteries that i don't really need :/
If I understand correctly, the DJI Mini 3 and Mini 4 Pro owners can sell the original battery to purchase a new (heavier) one. However, if you have the DJI Mini 3 Pro, both batteries will still allow for Remote ID?
I may be missing something regarding owning both batteries. As a 107 pilot, I believe it's still possible to fly recreationally, correct? And if you are flying recreationally with a drone < 250g than you don't have to use RID. So another option would be to only use your standard batteries when flying recreationally where RID is not required. And when using the larger batteries then you would fly under 107 and be in compliance with RID since the M4P does transmit RID natively when using the larger battery. This way you don't have to purchase an external RID module. Is that correct or am I missing something? Another slightly off topic question regarding Recreational Drone registration via FAA DroneZone. What is the purpose of adding a Recreational registration via DroneZone for a sub 250g drone since it doesn't require RID? When you create this registration the first question is whether your drone broadcasts Remote ID. If you answer NO, as you would for the M4P with standard battery, then it doesn't ask for serial numbers. So why does the FAA have this registration option for drones below 250g that aren't required to have RID? If you create this registration all that is asked for is Device Type (Traditional or Homebuilt), Manufacturer & Model. There is nothing entered that ties the registration to your specific drone. So why create this registration and are you required to do this in this case? Appreciate any clarification.
If it hasn't begun already, it's going to get to the point where rules/regulations are so overly complicated that all law abiding drone pilots will just collectively say screw it. This change only adds another poopoo layer to the increasingly smelly onion that this hobby is turning into...
I’m already there. Part 107 certified July last year and I’ve flown once. It’s not just FAA rules to be concerned with. Local city and state regulations are also a big factor.
This already happened, they pushed it back last time because everyone said they wouldn't comply, and the FAA realized they had no means of enforcement.
Yeah this is all keeping me OUT of getting a 107. It’s turning a relaxing side hobby of flying in the early morning into brain surgery rocket science. I guess I’ll just have to fly circles in the park at 50’ altitude. Either that or totally rebel. IDK.
I have a Mini4 Pro 4 ...and I have both batteries...I have 107...so I registered the Drone, unaware of this situation....so now it looks like I need another registration for the small batteries...is there an extra fee to the FAA for that?
I don’t understand why the FAA would approve DJI to remove remote ID capabilities with the standard battery…. I had no idea this issue existed UNTIL after I had already registered my Mini 4 Pro because I was going to add propeller guards putting it over 249g.
Great info was thinking of getting the mini 3. I honestly didn’t want to get remote ID I thought all drones need it which made me not want to get it. All I wanted to use it for was when we go off roading
Well done informative video. Thanks for sharing it with us. On another note though I have to wonder it the current implementation of RemoteID is practical. RemoteID uses Wi-Fi and/or extended range Bluetooth. So in clear space, void of obstacles, it is probably only detectable out to about 400ft or less away. Someone trying to find you may likely visually see you before RemoteID pinpoints you.
Thank you! You do a great job explaining it but maybe a board or an infographic with a table would help. In the DJI Forum for mini 4 pro. ~ Thank you for reaching out. After updating the firmware of the DJI Mini 4 Pro to v01.00.03.00 or later, only the Intelligent Flight Battery Plus supports broadcasting FAA Remote ID. When using DJI Mini 4 Pro with an intelligent flight battery and if broadcasting is required, we highly recommend installing a third-party RID module that meets the requirements onto the aircraft for compliance operations. We appreciate your understanding.
This answered a lot for me as I'm getting ready to buy a Mini 3. Since eventually I will want to fly it under part 107, I will need to register it and use the big battery, which now that I know what the rules are, I will buy instead of the Fly More combo. So if I register it, and broadcast RID, even if I'm just flying for fun, I will always be flying under part 107? And I'll still need a commercial license? Thanks for the video
I believe I misunderstood my first time watching your explanation. This time I think I better understand. I have the Mini 3 PRO. So, this drone is NOT affected with the use of either battery correct? As you said, just NOT the Mini 3 and the Mini 4 Pro. PLEASE CONFIRM FOR ALL OF US! Thanks for all you do!
Can someone explain to me why some recreational flyers despise broadcasting RID (when it isn't required) so much to the point that their complaints were vocal enough to prompt this change? I'm a relatively new flier and I just don't see at all where the concern was, whereas there is now legitimate annoyance, issues, etc. that will arise for many as a result.
Another problem that arises is when you use the standard Mini 3 battery in the Mini 4 Pro it takes it up to 251.8 grams. DJI slimmed down the Mini 4 battery but still said the Mini 3 batteries are compliant when it puts it over weight.
I will be teaching drone classes with the Mini 3 coming up. Do I need a RID module for each drone? It's ONLY be used as a teaching drone or a recreational drone for fun. What do I need to do? I'm confused by all of the information I've been reading regarding the RID especially for this drone.
brilliant explanation, thank you. can you futher comment. If i have a registered M4P as a rec pilot and get my 107 soon, do i need to reregister the drone to get a new “part 107 number” or do I only need to get a new number for a future second drone? In other words, will I have to do anything to my drone registration just because i get my 107 cert?
In my country the rules is; Exceptions for registration only apply if you are flying a drone under 250 grams without a camera or if the drone is clearly marked as a toy. Which meens flying with small battery, you have to buy a rid module.
Great breakdown of a complicated issue! 4 months later is this still correct information? Did DJI back pedal on this change so that remove ID is broadcast with either battery? or give the option to toggle on/off in the software? Just asking before I purchase new batteries for my mini 4 pro. thanks!
You say mini3 pro is unaffected in the beginning. Does that mean it will broadcast with or without a large battery. I just ordered a larger one to comply with regulations. I just want to see if I can fly on smaller one or if I should scrap/sell it and wait for new large one to come in.
I've got both the M3P and M4P and registered the M4P before all this came about. I have one larger battery and 2 regular and wondering what I should do as this is crazy. When I go back to Canada it won't be a problem but while in the US it does pose a problem and probably should just fly the smaller battery. Do I have to unregister my drone? I only fly recreational. I only registered the M4P because of getting the larger battery.
At 6:48 in this video, the image seems misleading. It is saying when drone is greater than 250g it does NOT need RID inside. Previously it was mentioned if the drone is less than 250g it does not need RID inside. Is there a typo in the image?
Greg, first of all your explanation is great and I really appreciate you breaking it down into layman terms for us. This is an absolutely ridiculous set of convoluted rules that really comes down to a discrepancy of only a few grams. We seem to have a battle between the technology of battery weight and an arbitrary rule around the strict number of 250 grams, couldn't the FAA just bend that by raising it a little bit until technology catches up?
If the drone weighs over 249 g/0.55 lbs it has to be registered and any drone that is registered has to have RID even when flown recreationally unless you are flying in a FRIA.
Not if you accidentally registered the drone planning for part 107 use. Once registered, it requires RID for all cases and you need to add a registration with the RID module number if you use a module. @@PilotInstitute
Greg , I know this RID thing is probably Boring already but I’m caught in a situation I don’t understand so I purchased the mini 3 pro , standard battery fly more combo kit , so it’s a sub 250 gram drone , so why does it transmit RID ? The mini 3 nor the mini 4 pro transmit RID when using the standard battery why is that ?
That video was not confusing. Moving on; As a student pilot I passed & got Part 107 certified and lots of regulations. I'm lucky huh! Who enforces them? Except the Super bowl please let me know if you got enforced? Fined? Anything? I've been shot at Karened, threatened but never enforced by FAA or fined FAA
also you're asking what rules are only on paper and what ones you can break? I've accidentally broken 120m for a second but the fines are crazy sometimes. just follow the rules. it's not that limiting. you can still do a lot of cool stuff without breaking laws trying not to get caught.
So how is it enforced is the question?@@dylancleveland Evidence of enforcement? Example a pilot gets fined by ATC filing an infraction. Pilot gets phone number to call and your busted. No police No court.. Just threat of loosing my pilots license? Super bowl maybe?>
Hi Greg, I've got a mini 4 pro with the heavier battery....at least that's what I thought I purchased. Where is the marking for the smaller battery? I WANT to register my mini 4 pro as I'm a part 107 pilot (thanks to your course). My question is...my Mini 4 Pro isn't broadcasting the Remote ID standard with the heavier battery. Any suggestions? Is it a software upgrade that enables the remote ID for the heavier mini 4 pro?
What about using clones of dji plus batteries called compatible available on the market? Would Dji Mini4 pro send ID if such batteries are used? From legal perspective, using large batteries require to change drone category from C0 to C1 because off increased weight. C1 allows to exceed max 120m altitude from Home point to allow to fly over the hills or other high obstacles. After such change drone no longer is toy category, so require pilot license A1/A3 or higher. Maybe drone updated to C1 category always sends ID regardless of used battery - yes / no? Is any preferably simple way to detect if drone is sending ID or even decode it?
Just my thoughts. Because of the international drone laws, all drones are now in categories. So instead of drone customers buying a drone based on the most expensive being, the biggest and most expensive drone. Now the trend is to have a sub 250g drone with a camera which is nearly as good as the camera in an Air 3, and the Air 3 has a camera which is nearly as good as the Mavic 3 Pro in some situations. Keep in mind that some buyers in some locations maybe limited to just 250 gram drones. Regarding Obstacle avoidance, is useful. Just remrmber you can use propeller gaurds, if you think you are going to fly in risky areas. Nobody talks about this. So I think the Mini series is a very important and popular segment of the drone market place. However I would love to see 1. A miniature Dji Inspire to be sub 900 grams with inter changeable lenes. ( I am just dreaming) 2. HDR for panoramas. 3. Focus stacking 4. In camera colour profiles for different lighting situations. 😊
Just bought a DJI mini 4 pro with the standard battery. I would be fine just not registering it, but live is a town with a small airport and restricted air space, that I fly in. I assume if I do not register the drone I cannot ask for permission and fly in that space. Thanks for an answer and for your videos.
I registered my drone with the idea that I will "someday" day 107. I only have the small battery, did i make a mistake? Can RID be enabled with the small battery?
Good morning. I'm very new to drones (DJI mini 3 ), which may need to need to be clarifiedclarified, but I found that Google is my best friend. I recently ran upon your video and bought additional accessories with a larger battery for more flight time. However, I did not know I needed to register due to the weight specs; therefore, I registered anyway. When I get my bigger battery, do you think I will need to register again, or does this only pertain to part 107??
Wait... Confused about the Mini 3 Pro, when you say "not affected", do you mean that Remote ID is ALWAYS broadcasting (even if using small battery)? So what does that mean, should we register the drone or not? Or does it not matter?
Yes, always broadcasting on the Mini 3 Pro regardless of the battery. You do not need to register it if you're flying recreationally and not adding equipment to it.
Thanks, I was also confused by the "not affected", I am Part 107 so I need my Mini 3 Pro to broadcast RID. Good to know I am all set with the smaller battery.@@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstitute So, for those of us still running fw 1.00.0300, are we in violation or simply not broadcasting and because I only use small battery okay.
No, I don't think they will touch that because it is the "Pro" version of the mini 3. So DJI is probably thinking, Mini 3: recreational mostly, Mini 3 Pro, Part 107 mostly.
@@PilotInstitute Really? As a recreational pilot looking at next purchase, I really want obstacle avoidance. Is that really just a professional feature?
The Mini didn't have obstacle avoidance until those models were called Pro, so I'm gonna say yes. I think it's a way to differentiate from the cheaper model and warrant a higher price point with more advanced features.
@@PilotInstitute Except the Mini 3 Pro came out FIRST, with no expectation of a future Mini 3, and without RID pre-installed because it was exempt from RID as sold with the smaller battery! Why not give all Mini 3 Pro owners the same recreational choice with the smaller battery, as the Mini 3 owners? I deliberately did NOT update my Mini 3 Pro to the one-way mandatory RID FW, so I am not broadcasting RID with EITHER battery! LOL!
its only applicable in United States, but here in our country where i live in Philippines, we dont need to register or ask a permit even if its more than 249 grams, only drones that are 7 kilos above which are larger ones needs to be registered plus it needs a permit or having a license to fly with it, so even large battery with lots of accesories attached shouldnt be any problem
I’m a very happy DJI mini 3 consumer who just recently passed my airman knowledge test who now has no point in having the sub 245G batteries anymore. What’s the point of getting a module if RID can be broadcasted remotely? I don’t want a bunch of unnecessary weight added to my UA especially if I plan to do twilight or night ops too. I’d rather just buy the larger battery. Ultimately I feel like I’ve invested in the wrong drone with the intent of being a part 107 certificate holder 😢 especially at this point when I’m just continuously spending money on my drone to potentially make it compliant. Should have just done my part 107 first and then bought a drone after.
My DJI mini 4 pro, is giving me remote id error, preventing me from flying. I am using the small battery, and only own the small battery’s. What do I need to do to get flying??
The comments about DJI providing a option to enable RID while using 249gr battery would be consider "tampering" is silly. With that logic adding a RID module to your drone would be tampering! Has DJI or the FAA commented on this matter?
I agree the tampering is is in part 89.310 referring to aircraft and 89.320 for modules. This option would only be available while using 249gr battery. Having the option to turn RID off with small battery would only be a violation if flying 107.
And the problem is, if you could turn it on/off in the software with the small battery, it wouldn't be a compliant RID method because it would sitll need a DOC to be compliant, which they couldn't get because it's not tamper proof lol
@@PilotInstitute It really is unfortunate how that technicality prevents everyone from being happy in this situation. From a logical standpoint, there really would be no new level of harm in allowing users to force Remote ID on when flying with the standard battery, while preventing it from being disabled when using the larger battery. I mean it really isn't any different than a part 107 pilot choosing or not choosing to comply with Remote ID regulations when flying with the standard battery by choosing or not choosing to use an RID module.
I have to question that ("tamper proof" exclusion) because the intent of the FAA is not to allow someone to turn RID OFF through tampering. A switch in this case is being used to turn RID ON and the drone reverts to its normal condition otherwise (which is now specified under its FAA certification). Of course the FAA may look at it as being able to turn the RID off (with the lighter battery and when it's under 250g) but that's only illegal if the drone is registered. These are some really sticky points that needs work by DJI and the FAA.
This question keeps popping up. People keep saying either how stupid it is not to have the switch or how a simple switch could solve all this. PilotInstitute points out that the regs preclude this. Two things can and and are true at the same time.🤣
People say just register it, it's only $5. Now it will be more than $5 because now you have to add a module which isn't cheap. If you're only doing recreational flying and follow the FAA rules and keep it under the 249 grams weight limit you should be good. But I got a feeling that with some people that don't follow the rules the FAA in the future is going to make it where you have to get RID no matter the weight of the drone. So like Greg would say "DON'T BE THAT GUY"
Does the DJI mini 3 display the remote ID in the controller? My scanner doesn't pick it up, I'm looking to be compliant, but can't seem to locate the drone icon on my controller
I've read most of the comments so apologies if this is a repeat- could i fly Mini 4 with small batteries, unregistered, while studying for part 107 then register and use bigger batteries with RID after certification?
Greg, I was wondering if you know or have tested using a RID module on the Mini 4 Pro and whether it interferes with the sensors on the top of the drone.
What a clusterfcuk! I have both Mini3/4Pro and have been thinking of getting my p107, but now I think ill just be more careful on which batt pack I use and where.(rec flying only for me)
I have a Mini 3 and have never updated the firmware. When I check on the Flight Checklist from the dropdown menu on the right, it says Remote ID functionality normal. It includes a Code number. Do I not need to worry about buying the larger battery or module, assuming I am broadcasting Remote ID? I am part 107 BTW thanks to Greg's excellent teaching.
So ur saying if I get the bigger battery for mini 3 I don’t need remote module just register…I heard it that I don’t need module for big battery Thankx for info anyways
Question. I have an Autel EvoII pro and wanted to ask what’s the least expensive remote ID module I can buy for this drone and semi least expensive. I’d greatly appreciate your assistance and guidance.
What if, you registered your mini 4 pro (w/ sub 249g batts) for recreational use (optional, I know) with the knowledge that it had native RID already. Then, DJI switches off the RID on sub 249 batts through firmware update. Can’t I just unregister the drone with the FAA, operate with my Sub 249 batts and be compliant that way? I have noticed that other cancelled drone registrations I have remain in my inventory even though show a cancel status
I not realizing that I didn’t have to register my DJI Neo did so but went back into my account and canceled it. Is that ok or did I mess up? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Being kind of new to drones I thought even the small drones needed to be registered.
If DJI was able to release the firmware for the 4, why can’t they release another FW.v that allows users of the small battery to enable RID? Seems like a pretty easy solution.
They couldn't have a setup option for RID with a small battery? That should have been so simple and would have covered all the options. Flying with a big battery? Send RID. Flying with a small battery? See if RID is selected and send it if it is. Done! No modules required and everyone can fly.
@@PilotInstitute But an external module is not tamper proof. All I have to do is turn off the switch or remove the module to bypass RID. It sounds like the FAA created a can of worms and DJI just applied the can opener.
In a just and sane world, the maximum weight would simply be raised from 249g to 349g. Problem solved, everyone is happy, and it would give the manufacturers some elbow room to make better Mini drones under 350g.
If you move to a sub-350g category they will probably make some of the rules slightly tighter (not flying over people/roads etc).. in which case this will be totally over the top for people flying 100g drones... So they will then say let's have a sub-125g category with minimal regulation... They will then say there is no "hard & fast" limit as to why it is only 125g we should be allowed to go a bit heavier... I think the 125g category should be increased to a new sub-250g category... & We are back where we started. Flying a 349g drone isn't the same as flying a 100g drone... Where should the line be drawn?
Why not just make it a feature that can be turned on or off. That way I don't have to buy extra batteries or run a remote ID module. If I do any part 107 flights at night, I'll now have a strobe light and a remote ID module on top of my mini 3.
Recreational pilots everywhere complained that they were forced into RID compliance when they didn't need to. Valid concern for those who don't want to be harassed by wanna-be law enforcers.
RID still isn't being enforced until next month. Wait and see how, once fully ramped up, how detrimental it is to pilots being harassed everywhere off cell phone apps!
DJI should really have added a "switch' in their app to activate or deactivate remote ID. Far simpler than the mess they created.
Can't do that, it's against Part 89 regulation. Can't be tamper proof.
What about setting up the remote ID function like the Geo Zone unlock. Pilot gets a permission through DJI to have remote ID function shut off or on. @@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstituteif you just made the switch available for the small battery… I bet they can do that! It would get rid of the need to buy a module, and would be cheaper and more secure all around. Couldn’t say , Ops, my RID module battery must be dead.
@@PilotInstitute One would think that a switch for "Use Drone Remote ID with small battery" would still be acceptable. The drone can obviously already detect the difference. And failing to set the setting properly would be no different than simply not using a separate module when _other_ attachments take it over the 250g limit. Or am I missing something.
@@PilotInstitute "RID ON ONLY" option would suffice and only be operable with small battery. I am sure the FAA would LOVE more drones registered which would be the end result. Now they (DJI) are creating more illegal flyers and forcing us to spend more money to stay legal. There has to be a software fix for this. DJI turns RID off with small battery in firmware I am sure they could make an option when loading firmware to turn it ON. I'm pissed.
Many thanks for laying out the options. One additional consideration is what you should do if you are a US pilot who wants to take his drone on vacation to Europe, where you will be subject to the rules of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). The rules just changed on January 1, 2024 and are quite complex, but to fly in the "open" category in the class A1 subcategory (very flexible, okay to fly in urban settings, max altitude 120 meters, no intentional flying over uninvolved people and no flying over gatherings), you need a drone like the DJI Mini 4 pro which weighs less than 250 grams (which means, only with the standard battery). Apparently drones sold in Europe have "class markings", and under 250 gram drones would have a C0 marking. But DJI Mini 4 pro drones sold in the US do not have "class markings", and as a result, are deemed to be legacy drones and, unless they are less than 250 grams, can only be flown in the class A3 subcategory (horizontal safety distance must be 150m from residential, commercial, industrial or recreational areas and there should be NO uninvolved people in the area of operation). For my purposes, it sounds like I will fly my Mini 4 Pro in the US using ONLY the extended battery (don't really see the sense in adding a RID module just to use the lighter battery), and when I visit Europe over the summer, I will fly using ONLY the standard (light) battery so I can fly in the class A1 subcategory. DJI is now permitting people who own the Mini 4 pro in Europe to apply for a new "C1" class marking, which would permit flying in the permissive Class A1 open category while using the extended battery (plus strobes, etc.), but I haven't yet discovered a way to apply for the sticker for a Mini 4 Pro purchased in the US. To fly in Europe you pretty much have to register as a "drone operator" as well, in addition to passing a basic online piloting course with the EASA.
This comment should be pinned, as it provides very useful information for pilots from outside the EU thinking about flying their drone in EASA territories! Well done 👍
I'm on the verge of getting a M4P just for recreational flying to see if I want to go any further to 107. Pilot Institute has been super valuable to me while I've been researching everything. Kept me from making the mistake of getting the extended battery option, making it super easy and safe to take my TRUST test etc and laid out everything so I know I'm doing things correctly. I appreciate you guys!
same here. And PilotInstitute has been doing yeoman work on this.
I own A DJI mini 3 that’s been registered since I am a part 107 certified but due to this change I had to buy the larger battery does this mean that I have to register the larger battery too? even though the drone is registered already?
@@felipecordero-us7bl I'm no expert, but would bet that if your drone is already registered there won't be any need to register the battery. I've never heard of registering just a battery and since it's not the actual vehicle I imagine that's why. As far as I understood it using the larger battery will allow the RID to become active. I'm pretty sure that happens because the larger battery causes the software to kick in and begin transmitting RID. To get a expert answer about this I would ask your question during one of the live streams. Greg is very good about interacting and answering questions. I would ask it in a super chat so it's sure to be seen rather than just hoping it gets seen in the normal chat. 👍
@@felipecordero-us7bl 2nd reply to you because I like to understand this stuff also. 😉 I re-watched the video to see if I could figure out an answer for you but I'd still get a expert answer from Greg. Upon re-watching my understanding is: Since you bought the larger battery your mini 3 should be transmitting RID internally with that battery. The only time you would have another registration would be if you use your smaller batteries and then you would have to use an RID module along with the smaller batteries. It's that RID module used with the smaller batteries that would need the registration. Hope this helps.
@@Montana_horseman thanks, I think you are right I don't think that I have to register the larger battery it should be ready and good to fly, thanks again for the insightful info and opinion I really appreciate it.
I plan to keep my smaller batteries, and only use them when I'm doing such things as firmware updates, or adjustments to controls that require the drone to be powered on.
DJI should add a switch to their firmware update to be able to switch on or leave off the RID only when using the smaller battery.
That way if you’re required to have RID on because you registered the drone and have both batteries but flying the smaller one, then you don’t need to have a separate module.
I think DJI is trying to appease the "I will not comply folks". If you only fly recreationally, use the small battery only. You are legal. If you want to fly 107, buy the larger batteries only and you will be legal after registration, which you must do anyway under 107. I think Greg's dual registration scheme by buying an external RID module AND use a smaller battery for 107 flight is just too much a pain (which he was implying??).
I appreciate your comment.. Its the first common sense and sensible one I've seen.
I purchased the DJI Mini 4 Pro Plus just for work, never fun BUT the first flight out I got a RID Error with no broadcasting of RID, the drone flies find, smoother and more agile than the Mini 2, landed, power cycled then flew again this time the RID appeared on Drone Scanner with all the information. Finally, fully compliant with Part 107 thanks to Pilot Institute for the study course and Greg's many, many, many videos.
Please keep us updated on any changes to the Mini 3 Pro.
Don't think they will touch that.
@@PilotInstitute how come?
Because I think they consider that the professional version of the Mini 3, so they assume it's being used primarily by part 107 pilots. The Mini 3 would be the recreational version, which is why it was affected.
@@PilotInstitute Weird though, that they would consider mini 3 recreational (gets the change) and the mini 3 pro professional (does not get the change), while at the same time the mini 4 pro gets the change and therefore considered recreational? If the answer is because there is no mini 4, just a mini 4 pro, I recall that the mini 3 pro came out first, followed by the mini 3, so I am guessing you think the mini 4 won't follow the same pattern?
@PilotInstitute so that means the mini 3 pro will always have RID enabled?
It’s true and thank you! I purchased two DJI mini 3 bundles in September 2024. One with RCN1 and the other with the newer RC and use only ultralight 249g batteries that came with. No broadcasting remote ID’s. The remote control flight checklist screen confirms this. In addition none of the stalker apps you can download ID my drones or their pilots location. Long live the DJI mini 3 for its Karen blocking ability and or any BS concerning stalker apps. Get the mini 3’s and forget about the pro version collision avoidance or drones that follow you around automatically. Stay off anyone’s radar with DJI mini3.
Considering that I’m currently still learning, but planning to start the 107 course soon to get my license… this makes me really consider getting the Air3 instead just so I don’t have to deal with the headache of figuring out which battery I can and can’t use.
Wait for the 3s.
It is unfortunate DJI did not choose to handle RID this way from the start, however, for those flying with the standard batteries who require RID (part 107, added accessories, etc..) the solution is as simply as purchasing a Plus battery. Alternatively one can add a RID module. I applaud the change as users flying with the standard batteries have no need to register with FAA, nor to broadcast RID. The FAA could simplify things by eliminating the need to transmit RID on registered drones when operated under 250 grams.
@pilotinstitute So I would un register my mini 3? I registered it, because you suggested that in a training video. After removing the registration I plan to fly only with the smaller battery. Would that be an option for compliance?
This is what I did.
I unregistered my Mini, took the sticker with registration off and apparently that means I’m in compliance.
I just passed my 107 through your course and I purchased a mini 3 pro based upon this video. Noticed I cannot view it with drone scanner applications. Today I got a remote id error displayed on the display so our called DJI support. Spoke with 2 techs and was told by both that the 3 pro DOES NOT support remote id unless the larger battery plus is used the same as the 4. They told me I could send everything back for a refund but expect an email informing me of my options. If you search their website you will find as per this video it does support remote id and also when they link to the faa compliance site the information says it is compliant as my sn matches. Waiting to hear back from and when I do I will let them know to correct their website and also let the FAA know it is not complaint. I will let you know what I hear as I only have a few days to send the unit back to them.
It’s amazing that we can’t get a straight answer on this basic question! It would make sense that the mini 3 pro would act the same as the mini 3 and mini 4 pro based on the battery weight. I was surprised to hear in this video that the mini 3 pro always broadcasts RID regardless of size of battery!
I'm not afraid of registration or RID. I think my most cost effective route is to sell my 249 batteries and just upgrade. RID will be turned on, easy peasy, no worries.
FYI, there are TWO different types of standard ultra light batteries, the 2453 mah that came with the mini 3 series and the 2590 mah that came with the mini 4. Only the newer 2590 mah ultra light will get the firmware upgrade and stop broadcasting RID. The older 2453 mah battery if used with the mini 4 pro will NOT update and will still broadcast.
@Pills161 - Thanks for that info regarding the 2453mAh.
Well I wish I had read the comments first. I knee-jerk bought three of the plus batteries just so my Mini 3 would still transmit it RID. Well I guess I will now have 6 batteries 😂
but the older battery is heavier so if you use it in your drone it will fall under 107 right? since it will have more than 249grams (77.9gr new vs 80.5gr old)
@RobsTubeTV you can only dont update the firmware. Is there any improvement needed in this update or only this limitation? if not required skip it... Mini 3/3 pros will not receive any new feature now so I'll not update it anymore until be mandatory
@@hoffmannbeck actually I am fine with the RID being transmitted, in fact that’s why I went ahead and purchased three plus batteries.
With the Wrapgrade skin I put on, it’s over 249g anyway. Which is why I want RID.
this seems like a similar situation of the firearms laws here in Texas, where you can carry legally without permit/registration, but once you register you now fall into a stricter set of guidelines and restrictions, so many people just don't register.
I had no idea it was this way, i think i just F'd up. or at least forced myself into 107
Very done! Easy to follow. I am happy to see DJI supporting the majority of their (non-part 107) customers!
Annoyed part 107 user here. Bought this specifically for remote id
I'm not getting a module, I'm going to use the big battery for Part 107, but I'm not buying and flying a module with the small batteries, just because I registered the drone. There are like 1000 folks on the earth that even know the regulation statues.
@@spladam3845 i just got the mini4 flymore for christmas and recently passed my 107; i'm pretty upset that i'm now going to have to spend $300 more on a set of batteries that i don't really need :/
Same here. I have six small batteries. 🤬 This is just dumb.
Me too. I looked it up before buying.
If I understand correctly, the DJI Mini 3 and Mini 4 Pro owners can sell the original battery to purchase a new (heavier) one. However, if you have the DJI Mini 3 Pro, both batteries will still allow for Remote ID?
I may be missing something regarding owning both batteries. As a 107 pilot, I believe it's still possible to fly recreationally, correct? And if you are flying recreationally with a drone < 250g than you don't have to use RID. So another option would be to only use your standard batteries when flying recreationally where RID is not required. And when using the larger batteries then you would fly under 107 and be in compliance with RID since the M4P does transmit RID natively when using the larger battery. This way you don't have to purchase an external RID module. Is that correct or am I missing something?
Another slightly off topic question regarding Recreational Drone registration via FAA DroneZone. What is the purpose of adding a Recreational registration via DroneZone for a sub 250g drone since it doesn't require RID? When you create this registration the first question is whether your drone broadcasts Remote ID. If you answer NO, as you would for the M4P with standard battery, then it doesn't ask for serial numbers. So why does the FAA have this registration option for drones below 250g that aren't required to have RID? If you create this registration all that is asked for is Device Type (Traditional or Homebuilt), Manufacturer & Model. There is nothing entered that ties the registration to your specific drone. So why create this registration and are you required to do this in this case? Appreciate any clarification.
If it hasn't begun already, it's going to get to the point where rules/regulations are so overly complicated that all law abiding drone pilots will just collectively say screw it. This change only adds another poopoo layer to the increasingly smelly onion that this hobby is turning into...
Welcome to the gun hobby struggles
I’m already there. Part 107 certified July last year and I’ve flown once. It’s not just FAA rules to be concerned with. Local city and state regulations are also a big factor.
This already happened, they pushed it back last time because everyone said they wouldn't comply, and the FAA realized they had no means of enforcement.
@RetreadPhoto holy stone sells the ID for 60 bucks
Yeah this is all keeping me OUT of getting a 107. It’s turning a relaxing side hobby of flying in the early morning into brain surgery rocket science. I guess I’ll just have to fly circles in the park at 50’ altitude. Either that or totally rebel. IDK.
Excellent, clear and straightforward explanation of a confusing regulatory situation.
I have a Mini4 Pro 4 ...and I have both batteries...I have 107...so I registered the Drone, unaware of this situation....so now it looks like I need another registration for the small batteries...is there an extra fee to the FAA for that?
It is the corrupt government.... what do you think.
I don’t understand why the FAA would approve DJI to remove remote ID capabilities with the standard battery…. I had no idea this issue existed UNTIL after I had already registered my Mini 4 Pro because I was going to add propeller guards putting it over 249g.
I don't get why you can't just opt into using remote id with the standard batteries.
super helpful, i was a tad frustrated and confused having just purchased a DJI mini 3
You didn’t register at all right? Thinking of getting one
Great info was thinking of getting the mini 3. I honestly didn’t want to get remote ID I thought all drones need it which made me not want to get it. All I wanted to use it for was when we go off roading
Well done informative video. Thanks for sharing it with us. On another note though I have to wonder it the current implementation of RemoteID is practical. RemoteID uses Wi-Fi and/or extended range Bluetooth. So in clear space, void of obstacles, it is probably only detectable out to about 400ft or less away. Someone trying to find you may likely visually see you before RemoteID pinpoints you.
Thank you!
You do a great job explaining it but maybe a board or an infographic with a table would help.
In the DJI Forum for mini 4 pro.
~ Thank you for reaching out. After updating the firmware of the DJI Mini 4 Pro to v01.00.03.00 or later, only the Intelligent Flight Battery Plus supports broadcasting FAA Remote ID. When using DJI Mini 4 Pro with an intelligent flight battery and if broadcasting is required, we highly recommend installing a third-party RID module that meets the requirements onto the aircraft for compliance operations. We appreciate your understanding.
This answered a lot for me as I'm getting ready to buy a Mini 3. Since eventually I will want to fly it under part 107, I will need to register it and use the big battery, which now that I know what the rules are, I will buy instead of the Fly More combo. So if I register it, and broadcast RID, even if I'm just flying for fun, I will always be flying under part 107? And I'll still need a commercial license? Thanks for the video
I believe I misunderstood my first time watching your explanation. This time I think I better understand. I have the Mini 3 PRO. So, this drone is NOT affected with the use of either battery correct? As you said, just NOT the Mini 3 and the Mini 4 Pro. PLEASE CONFIRM FOR ALL OF US! Thanks for all you do!
Can someone explain to me why some recreational flyers despise broadcasting RID (when it isn't required) so much to the point that their complaints were vocal enough to prompt this change? I'm a relatively new flier and I just don't see at all where the concern was, whereas there is now legitimate annoyance, issues, etc. that will arise for many as a result.
Another problem that arises is when you use the standard Mini 3 battery in the Mini 4 Pro it takes it up to 251.8 grams. DJI slimmed down the Mini 4 battery but still said the Mini 3 batteries are compliant when it puts it over weight.
From our testing, in this situation the drone broadcasts RID.
I will be teaching drone classes with the Mini 3 coming up. Do I need a RID module for each drone? It's ONLY be used as a teaching drone or a recreational drone for fun. What do I need to do? I'm confused by all of the information I've been reading regarding the RID especially for this drone.
I'd recommend getting the larger batteries for when you teach and the smaller batteries for recreational.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks!
Why Can’t DJI turn on remote ID on mini 4 with small (regular) batteries?
brilliant explanation, thank you.
can you futher comment. If i have a registered M4P as a rec pilot and get my 107 soon, do i need to reregister the drone to get a new “part 107 number” or do I only need to get a new number for a future second drone? In other words, will I have to do anything to my drone registration just because i get my 107 cert?
In my country the rules is; Exceptions for registration only apply if you are flying a drone under 250 grams without a camera or if the drone is clearly marked as a toy.
Which meens flying with small battery, you have to buy a rid module.
Please let's clarify that you can add a propeller guard as long as the overall weight is less than 250g. I just did this. All guards can be trimmed.
Where did you get them at ?
Great breakdown of a complicated issue! 4 months later is this still correct information? Did DJI back pedal on this change so that remove ID is broadcast with either battery? or give the option to toggle on/off in the software? Just asking before I purchase new batteries for my mini 4 pro. thanks!
You say mini3 pro is unaffected in the beginning. Does that mean it will broadcast with or without a large battery. I just ordered a larger one to comply with regulations. I just want to see if I can fly on smaller one or if I should scrap/sell it and wait for new large one to come in.
Why in the world would the Mini 3 pro not be included in this update?
Hello, this was a little confusing at first but I made it through and it is all clear now. Thank you for all the needed information. Take care.
I've got both the M3P and M4P and registered the M4P before all this came about. I have one larger battery and 2 regular and wondering what I should do as this is crazy. When I go back to Canada it won't be a problem but while in the US it does pose a problem and probably should just fly the smaller battery. Do I have to unregister my drone? I only fly recreational. I only registered the M4P because of getting the larger battery.
At 6:48 in this video, the image seems misleading. It is saying when drone is greater than 250g it does NOT need RID inside. Previously it was mentioned if the drone is less than 250g it does not need RID inside. Is there a typo in the image?
Good catch, that was indeed a typo in the graph.
Greg, first of all your explanation is great and I really appreciate you breaking it down into layman terms for us. This is an absolutely ridiculous set of convoluted rules that really comes down to a discrepancy of only a few grams. We seem to have a battle between the technology of battery weight and an arbitrary rule around the strict number of 250 grams, couldn't the FAA just bend that by raising it a little bit until technology catches up?
With the weight of the rid modile won't that push it over the 250 gram weight limit?
Yes, he mentions that anything attached to the UAS will put it over 250g.
You only need the module if you're flying under 107, in which case weight doesn't matter.
If the drone weighs over 249 g/0.55 lbs it has to be registered and any drone that is registered has to have RID even when flown recreationally unless you are flying in a FRIA.
Not if you accidentally registered the drone planning for part 107 use. Once registered, it requires RID for all cases and you need to add a registration with the RID module number if you use a module. @@PilotInstitute
Thank you and congrats! So would the Mini 4 Pro upgraded to C1 (with a standard battery) also NOT transmit Remote ID?
Greg , I know this RID thing is probably Boring already but I’m caught in a situation I don’t understand so I purchased the mini 3 pro , standard battery fly more combo kit , so it’s a sub 250 gram drone , so why does it transmit RID ? The mini 3 nor the mini 4 pro transmit RID when using the standard battery why is that ?
That was so confusing...
This is called recreation?
Actually I'm part 107 certified and the rules are set different for me
That video was not confusing. Moving on; As a student pilot I passed & got Part 107 certified and lots of regulations. I'm lucky huh! Who enforces them? Except the Super bowl please let me know if you got enforced? Fined? Anything? I've been shot at Karened, threatened but never enforced by FAA or fined FAA
shot at?
also you're asking what rules are only on paper and what ones you can break? I've accidentally broken 120m for a second but the fines are crazy sometimes. just follow the rules. it's not that limiting. you can still do a lot of cool stuff without breaking laws trying not to get caught.
So how is it enforced is the question?@@dylancleveland Evidence of enforcement? Example a pilot gets fined by ATC filing an infraction. Pilot gets phone number to call and your busted. No police No court.. Just threat of loosing my pilots license? Super bowl maybe?>
Hi Greg, I've got a mini 4 pro with the heavier battery....at least that's what I thought I purchased. Where is the marking for the smaller battery? I WANT to register my mini 4 pro as I'm a part 107 pilot (thanks to your course). My question is...my Mini 4 Pro isn't broadcasting the Remote ID standard with the heavier battery. Any suggestions? Is it a software upgrade that enables the remote ID for the heavier mini 4 pro?
So, if you need registration, it's best to use the large batteries only and sell your small ones.
yep
What about using clones of dji plus batteries called compatible available on the market? Would Dji Mini4 pro send ID if such batteries are used? From legal perspective, using large batteries require to change drone category from C0 to C1 because off increased weight. C1 allows to exceed max 120m altitude from Home point to allow to fly over the hills or other high obstacles. After such change drone no longer is toy category, so require pilot license A1/A3 or higher.
Maybe drone updated to C1 category always sends ID regardless of used battery - yes / no?
Is any preferably simple way to detect if drone is sending ID or even decode it?
Just my thoughts.
Because of the international drone laws, all drones are now in categories.
So instead of drone customers buying a drone based on the most expensive being, the biggest and most expensive drone.
Now the trend is to have a sub 250g drone with a camera which is nearly as good as the camera in an Air 3, and the Air 3 has a camera which is nearly as good as the Mavic 3 Pro in some situations.
Keep in mind that some buyers in some locations maybe limited to just 250 gram drones.
Regarding Obstacle avoidance, is useful. Just remrmber you can use propeller gaurds, if you think you are going to fly in risky areas.
Nobody talks about this.
So I think the Mini series is a very important and popular segment of the drone market place.
However I would love to see
1. A miniature Dji Inspire to be sub 900 grams with inter changeable lenes. ( I am just dreaming)
2. HDR for panoramas.
3. Focus stacking
4. In camera colour profiles for different lighting situations.
😊
Mini 3 with small battery never registered it so I’m clear to take off ! Yesss
Just bought a DJI mini 4 pro with the standard battery. I would be fine just not registering it, but live is a town with a small airport and restricted air space, that I fly in. I assume if I do not register the drone I cannot ask for permission and fly in that space. Thanks for an answer and for your videos.
I registered my drone with the idea that I will "someday" day 107. I only have the small battery, did i make a mistake? Can RID be enabled with the small battery?
Remove it from inventory
Good morning. I'm very new to drones (DJI mini 3 ), which may need to need to be clarifiedclarified, but I found that Google is my best friend. I recently ran upon your video and bought additional accessories with a larger battery for more flight time. However, I did not know I needed to register due to the weight specs; therefore, I registered anyway. When I get my bigger battery, do you think I will need to register again, or does this only pertain to part 107??
Wait... Confused about the Mini 3 Pro, when you say "not affected", do you mean that Remote ID is ALWAYS broadcasting (even if using small battery)? So what does that mean, should we register the drone or not? Or does it not matter?
Yes, always broadcasting on the Mini 3 Pro regardless of the battery. You do not need to register it if you're flying recreationally and not adding equipment to it.
Thanks, I was also confused by the "not affected", I am Part 107 so I need my Mini 3 Pro to broadcast RID. Good to know I am all set with the smaller battery.@@PilotInstitute
@@PilotInstitute So, for those of us still running fw 1.00.0300, are we in violation or simply not broadcasting and because I only use small battery okay.
Was there any mention of the update ever coming to the mini 3 pro?
No, I don't think they will touch that because it is the "Pro" version of the mini 3. So DJI is probably thinking, Mini 3: recreational mostly, Mini 3 Pro, Part 107 mostly.
@@PilotInstitute Really? As a recreational pilot looking at next purchase, I really want obstacle avoidance. Is that really just a professional feature?
The Mini didn't have obstacle avoidance until those models were called Pro, so I'm gonna say yes. I think it's a way to differentiate from the cheaper model and warrant a higher price point with more advanced features.
@@PilotInstitute Except the Mini 3 Pro came out FIRST, with no expectation of a future Mini 3, and without RID pre-installed because it was exempt from RID as sold with the smaller battery! Why not give all Mini 3 Pro owners the same recreational choice with the smaller battery, as the Mini 3 owners? I deliberately did NOT update my Mini 3 Pro to the one-way mandatory RID FW, so I am not broadcasting RID with EITHER battery! LOL!
I wonder why the mini 3 pro is not affected but I’m not complaining, I was putting up not doing the update until I had clarity on what was going on
its only applicable in United States, but here in our country where i live in Philippines, we dont need to register or ask a permit even if its more than 249 grams, only drones that are 7 kilos above which are larger ones needs to be registered plus it needs a permit or having a license to fly with it, so even large battery with lots of accesories attached shouldnt be any problem
Adding the RID module to the small battery will not exceed the max 250g limit?
Wont matter as the drone will be registered.
@@ckuhner71 well in Europe we register also under 250g. Above it is another class and needs pilot certification
@@sz0236 then you’d likely need to get your pilot creds. The RID unit, while small, will add weight.
I’m a very happy DJI mini 3 consumer who just recently passed my airman knowledge test who now has no point in having the sub 245G batteries anymore. What’s the point of getting a module if RID can be broadcasted remotely? I don’t want a bunch of unnecessary weight added to my UA especially if I plan to do twilight or night ops too. I’d rather just buy the larger battery. Ultimately I feel like I’ve invested in the wrong drone with the intent of being a part 107 certificate holder 😢 especially at this point when I’m just continuously spending money on my drone to potentially make it compliant. Should have just done my part 107 first and then bought a drone after.
My DJI mini 4 pro, is giving me remote id error, preventing me from flying. I am using the small battery, and only own the small battery’s. What do I need to do to get flying??
The comments about DJI providing a option to enable RID while using 249gr battery would be consider "tampering" is silly.
With that logic adding a RID module to your drone would be tampering! Has DJI or the FAA commented on this matter?
Yes, it’s in the regulation, in part 89. That’s really not up for debate at this stage. That rule is for standard remote ID drones, not modules.
I agree the tampering is is in part 89.310 referring to aircraft and 89.320 for modules. This option would only be available while using 249gr battery. Having the option to turn RID off with small battery would only be a violation if flying 107.
And the problem is, if you could turn it on/off in the software with the small battery, it wouldn't be a compliant RID method because it would sitll need a DOC to be compliant, which they couldn't get because it's not tamper proof lol
That was a great breakdown of a very convoluted situation. THANK YOU!!!!
Seems to me that DJI could add a setting that would force broadcast of RID regardless of battery size.
I think this is explicitly banned by the FAA as users would have input.
Unfortunately not allowed by the FAA. It needs to be "Tamper proof".
@@PilotInstitute It really is unfortunate how that technicality prevents everyone from being happy in this situation. From a logical standpoint, there really would be no new level of harm in allowing users to force Remote ID on when flying with the standard battery, while preventing it from being disabled when using the larger battery. I mean it really isn't any different than a part 107 pilot choosing or not choosing to comply with Remote ID regulations when flying with the standard battery by choosing or not choosing to use an RID module.
I have to question that ("tamper proof" exclusion) because the intent of the FAA is not to allow someone to turn RID OFF through tampering. A switch in this case is being used to turn RID ON and the drone reverts to its normal condition otherwise (which is now specified under its FAA certification). Of course the FAA may look at it as being able to turn the RID off (with the lighter battery and when it's under 250g) but that's only illegal if the drone is registered. These are some really sticky points that needs work by DJI and the FAA.
This question keeps popping up. People keep saying either how stupid it is not to have the switch or how a simple switch could solve all this. PilotInstitute points out that the regs preclude this. Two things can and and are true at the same time.🤣
In addition, does this mean that I now have to register a drone that doesn’t require registration?
People say just register it, it's only $5. Now it will be more than $5 because now you have to add a module which isn't cheap. If you're only doing recreational flying and follow the FAA rules and keep it under the 249 grams weight limit you should be good. But I got a feeling that with some people that don't follow the rules the FAA in the future is going to make it where you have to get RID no matter the weight of the drone. So like Greg would say "DON'T BE THAT GUY"
Does the DJI mini 3 display the remote ID in the controller? My scanner doesn't pick it up, I'm looking to be compliant, but can't seem to locate the drone icon on my controller
For the recreational mixed battery scenario, it sounds like you also need two registrations. What did I missed?
I've read most of the comments so apologies if this is a repeat- could i fly Mini 4 with small batteries, unregistered, while studying for part 107 then register and use bigger batteries with RID after certification?
Greg, I was wondering if you know or have tested using a RID module on the Mini 4 Pro and whether it interferes with the sensors on the top of the drone.
What a clusterfcuk! I have both Mini3/4Pro and have been thinking of getting my p107, but now I think ill just be more careful on which batt pack I use and where.(rec flying only for me)
So, do you have to buy both batteries then?
Oh boy, can you imagine trying to explain yourself to others or a park ranger, and then getting in trouble because your understanding was incorrect…
Just register it and use big batteries, that’s all! :)
Easy, but some people bought the small batteries not knowing about this change. And that sucks.
I have a Mini 3 and have never updated the firmware. When I check on the Flight Checklist from the dropdown menu on the right, it says Remote ID functionality normal. It includes a Code number. Do I not need to worry about buying the larger battery or module, assuming I am broadcasting Remote ID? I am part 107 BTW thanks to Greg's excellent teaching.
So ur saying if I get the bigger battery for mini 3 I don’t need remote module just register…I heard it that I don’t need module for big battery Thankx for info anyways
How about if DJI makes new mother boards with remote ID and the customer can replace them? Very much so like building your own PC
Question. I have an Autel EvoII pro and wanted to ask what’s the least expensive remote ID module I can buy for this drone and semi least expensive. I’d greatly appreciate your assistance and guidance.
What if, you registered your mini 4 pro (w/ sub 249g batts) for recreational use (optional, I know) with the knowledge that it had native RID already. Then, DJI switches off the RID on sub 249 batts through firmware update. Can’t I just unregister the drone with the FAA, operate with my Sub 249 batts and be compliant that way? I have noticed that other cancelled drone registrations I have remain in my inventory even though show a cancel status
so what if someone gets rid of the big batteries and owns and flies only the small batteries recreationally
so mini 3 pro broadcasts even with smaller battery?
I not realizing that I didn’t have to register my DJI Neo did so but went back into my account and canceled it. Is that ok or did I mess up? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Being kind of new to drones I thought even the small drones needed to be registered.
Not a problem.
If DJI was able to release the firmware for the 4, why can’t they release another FW.v that allows users of the small battery to enable RID?
Seems like a pretty easy solution.
Well dang. I guess I am returning my Mini 3 back to Costco because it isn’t RID compliant. Went for it because it was 90 bucks.
It seems to me that a simpler solution would be to have the ability to toggle remote ID on and off from the small battery.
They couldn't have a setup option for RID with a small battery? That should have been so simple and would have covered all the options.
Flying with a big battery? Send RID. Flying with a small battery? See if RID is selected and send it if it is. Done! No modules required and everyone can fly.
They can't do that, part 89 prohibits it. It needs to be tamper proof.
@@PilotInstitute But an external module is not tamper proof. All I have to do is turn off the switch or remove the module to bypass RID. It sounds like the FAA created a can of worms and DJI just applied the can opener.
I'm changing hobbies. WoW! this is getting crazy!
I bought the 4pro BECAUSE it was remote ID compliant.
I hope I'm in the return window, I'm not buying a module/more batteries.
Wouldn't it make more sense to just have a software setting to enable/disable RID?
Can't do that, it's against Part 89 regulation. It has to be tamper-proof.
@@PilotInstitute Roger that. Thanks for the reply.
In a just and sane world, the maximum weight would simply be raised from 249g to 349g. Problem solved, everyone is happy, and it would give the manufacturers some elbow room to make better Mini drones under 350g.
If you move to a sub-350g category they will probably make some of the rules slightly tighter (not flying over people/roads etc).. in which case this will be totally over the top for people flying 100g drones... So they will then say let's have a sub-125g category with minimal regulation... They will then say there is no "hard & fast" limit as to why it is only 125g we should be allowed to go a bit heavier... I think the 125g category should be increased to a new sub-250g category... & We are back where we started.
Flying a 349g drone isn't the same as flying a 100g drone... Where should the line be drawn?
Great I have both - (batteries and drones) why can't DJI give us a software switch
@pilotinstitute….new to drones. If I get Part107 license all drones, even 250 g need to be registered and have remote ID?
Yes.
@@PilotInstituteNo, you do not have to register if you play as a recreational pilot. Please read Part107 carefully.
I had no idea merely registering the drone then required RID even if under 250g. I dont know what to do now.
Just remove it from your inventory and take the registration sticker off.
Why not just make it a feature that can be turned on or off. That way I don't have to buy extra batteries or run a remote ID module. If I do any part 107 flights at night, I'll now have a strobe light and a remote ID module on top of my mini 3.
Part 89 prohibits a on/off type switch. It must be tamper proof.
@@PilotInstitute looks like you have this answer on speed dial. 😁 I had the same on/off button thought.
I still don't get it. It was not hurting anything with the mini broadcasting RID on a recreational flight. The FUD has proven to be just hype.
Recreational pilots everywhere complained that they were forced into RID compliance when they didn't need to. Valid concern for those who don't want to be harassed by wanna-be law enforcers.
@@PilotInstitute but there's been no evidence of that happening. It was just hot air. Non-drone owners don't even know about RID. LOL
@@PilotInstitute murica
RID still isn't being enforced until next month. Wait and see how, once fully ramped up, how detrimental it is to pilots being harassed everywhere off cell phone apps!
having trouble finding where the remote ID serial number is to actually register the mini 4 pro to the FAA
Do you have the link to your recommend rid module?