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The marvels needed the six episode arc for fans not a movie in the fall when Leo Decaprio cannot make its budget with his white guilt movie.
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arguably Tony Stark was a villain with a redemption arc that never fully gets it right, but keeps trying
Did you not watch the marvels? Yeah, they literally spell out that she was a villain instead of a hero, specifically to the Kree.
She even says that she was broken, and her ego got in front of her being able to be a hero at the time, and that's why the Kree are going after her.
The part that's sexism is that you think characters like the flash, superman, cyborg insert any male character that is just granted powers without deserving it and think that's a shot against her instead of a trope in super heroes regardless of sex.
Yes Carol is a villain, she kills everyone for no reasons. Even Thanos is better.
"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them."
A line that most definitely should have been cut.
Having never seen WandaVision, I have to ask, is that line said sincerely or to placate a madwoman with reality breaking powers?
@@knotgradaunknown7414 It came across as a sincere line delivery to me when I watched WandaVision. Good question tho.
@@knotgradaunknown7414as someone who has... no. it was sincere. in the last few episodes, we were told that Wanda did it on her own. At one point we assumed Agatha manipulated her into doing it, but no. Agatha said she noticed what had happened and infiltrated the hex to figure out what was going on.
Honestly, I don't mind the storyline like this but then they still wanted her to be heroic. If they leaned in to make her a full-fledged villain, that would've worked better.... to be fair to wanda, she did acknowledge what she did was wrong, but to make her feel better, Monica said those words.
@aweigh1010 Thanks for the reply.
The one line that Kille Monica Rambo character even before having a leading roll
Somehow that handshake scene would be perfect for The BOYS, some hero threatening a civilian for having the audacity to awkwardly flirt with her.
Homelander (a known sociopath and cheerful murderer) is actually morally superior. At least he cared about his public image enough to not do this sort of thing out in the open.
@@stevenscott2136Yeah, no. As far as I’m aware, Carol hasn’t SA-ed anyone. Homelander has.
@@stevenscott2136 that handshake scene is a deleted scene lol, you people believe anything to support your hatred
@@typicalnerd4065 The fact they had enough sense to cut it out, doesn't absolve them from writing and filming it.
@@Karak-_- so you're gonna hate an actress and the character because of a deleted scene which they thought is absurd looking? COOL, what a loser y'all can be when it comes to hate this woman lol
As many as there are to choose from, the hardest cringing/most telling moments for myself: when she bursts into that overly ecstatic "Whoooo!" while blindly mowing thru ships (echo of Rey's equally creepy: "I like this!") & the seemingly honorable handshake offered to Jude's beaten character quickly turning into humiliating drag back to his ship. (Having defeated him as easily as she did in beginning of story, goes w/o saying).
Ploughing through spaceships and killing everyone on board while shouting "WOO-HOO!" is like something out of Suicide Squad. Where the main characters are villains.
Steve Rogers to Tony Stark: "Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?"
Tony Stark to Peter Parker: "If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it, okay?"
Yon-Rogg to Carol Danvers: "I'm so proud of you. You've come a long way since that day I found you by the lake. But can you keep your emotions in check long enough to take me on? Or will they get the better of you as always? I always told you you'll be ready the day you'll knock me down as yourself. This is that moment. This is that moment, Vers!"
@@thatHARVguy Yon-Rogg really is a solid character. I bit misguided in his patriotism but certainly heroic and genuine. Carol being so spiteful against him really she who she is.
Also, Captain Marvel found a habitable planet for the Skrulls (the planet were they killed Thanos, which Thanos was the only lifeform on) and she never bordered to tell Nick or the Skrulls.
Let's not forget that during the Secret Invasion mini series Nick Fury was the only one blamed for not being able to find a new home planet for the Skrulls, despite the fact that Captain Marvel is the only one of the two who is the most capable of doing so.
Carol is such a villain that she's actually kind of scary. Like she could blow up an orphanage and kick puppies if they slightly annoy her.
Just your daily reminder that Thanos had a completely uninhabited, life-friendly planet just sitting there doing nothing and could have become a Skrull homeworld... but Carol said "no."
ANOTHER EXAMPLE of poor writing
Her bad decisions throughout the series could have been a good character arc where she realizes what a dumbass she is and is just a giant asshole with godlike powers. She then learns to be more introspective and think more about the consequences of her actions than using her godlike power to punch her way through anything that's remotely inconvenience.
Almost akin to, "With great power comes great responsibility".
Could have been, but that would require writers with even a modicum of self awareness and ability.
But that would require her to undergo a character arc and self-reflection, when, as we all know, empowered female characters are perfect and flawless in every way by nature…
@@masamune2984 You're wrong. Perfection is an illusory concept. There is no such thing as "perfection", and if you believe that empowered female characters are perfect, you are a gullible fool. Even empowered female characters can be flawed, and you don't understand this. Stop believing in illusions such as the illusory idea that empowered female characters are perfect and embrace reality. You must accept and embrace the universal truth, instead of rejecting it. But you reject the universal truth, and if you still continue to believe in illusions like the illusory idea of perfection, you will suffer the consequences.
@@adeleinetheartist8267I think he was being sarcastic???
@@Hyperion4K No, that is not sarcasm.
I think a lot of man-hours (or person-hours) could be saved if we all just agreed to add the phrase 'is an evil pschopath spending no effort to appear well-adjusted' to the commonly understood definition of a girl-boss.
That's part of the problem with a lot of those female portrayals it undermines what they "think" they're elevating. A woman can be a girl boss and not have it be a bad thing, but when you have someone like Carol...it's not being a girl boss, it's being...well what the video finished with.
@@benjaminbierley2074 It's because good people don't seek power, and feminists only view the world in terms of power.
Carol is a writer self insert. A girl who is powerful getting held down by men around who before realizing she had the power stand up to them all along. That is why they say they are "empowering women" instead of "elevating women".
Boys: Agression was bad, wasn't it?
Girls: BUT NOW WE'RE DOING IT, AGRESSION IS *AWESOME!*
It's actually a very classic response of someone who believes they are a victim of abuse. They start to see being an abuser as being the 'winner', so they then go on to become abusers themselves with the conviction that it's all completely okay now. Obviously this is not a HEALTHY response... healthy would be breaking the cycle.
Captain Genocide. There's a universe where Hitler read comics about Carol Danvers as a child.
When thinking about the 1st captain marvel I can only remember Mauler saying "plank" a million times on his video and the birth of the Don... Oh, and how underused Jude Law's character was.
When EFAP reviewed "The Marvels", Mauler accidently called her "plank". That was funny
Yon Rogg was right!
"Here's a proposition... you're gonna give me your keys and jacket and in return I am gonna let you keep your hand ..."
Yep she's a villain alright. Look how the bad guys reacted to her and bow she reacted to them.
Thats no way a Hero would respond....
Bravo for giving little girls a villain to look up to Disney!
All I could think of was Mr. Krabs saying "Unhand that penny or the arm comes off!" as proof of his ultimate lack of virtue.
Also, that phrase would at least make Captain Marvel an anti-hero, but I think most of those usually just steal the car and try to laugh it off with their victim, not threaten their bodily integrity.
It was an attempt at mirroring the scene from Terminator 2: "I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."
@@reimannsum9077 It was an attempt. A bad one. The Terminator is a ruthless killing machine who doesn't know better and is being taught how to be good by John Connors in a cub and wolf dynamic. Carol Danvers has no excuse, and she knows exactly what she's doing.
I havent seen it and don't know-- But she could survive the vacuum of space and could bullet herself through an alien ship with her skull... Did she need the jacket or helmet?? Or had she not yet discovered this about herself. She still is super strong- so I still dont think she'd need the helmet.
Ironically she is exactly as she was in the comics, acted like a villain but treated like a hero
Male Marvel characters sacrificed their lives and happiness. Female Marvel characters sacrifice other peoples lives and happiness.
Kate bishop entregó a su propia madre a la justicia, ella no sería capaz de sacrificar la vida y la felicidad de otras personas. 😮
Ni mucho menos ms marvel.
Actually Rogue sacrificed her own life taking bullets from the Yakuza at the time saving Wolverine's wife! Rogue hadn't quite gotten the hang of Carol's invulnerability and almost died! That heroic selfless act earned at least Woverine's respect and trust therefore he touched Rogue so she could instantly heal back to full heath! After this The invulnerability powers kicked in! This proves that at least Rogue committed a selfless act cementing herself a a face!
@@christopherbyrdakaSupermanIn Disney Marvel?
@@christopherbyrdakaSuperman in the comics people actually have flaws.
Ah yes, because the obvious response to somebody catcalling you is to mug them and threaten to break their bones.
“You’re gonna give me your jacket and car and I’ll maybe let you keep your hand” is legit a villain line
Lean into it and replace Kang with her. Why not. They won't do Dr Doom right, the way they're going.
The worst part is she’s very true to the comics version which was cancelled & relaunched due to low sales about a dozen times before the movie came out
Remember thinking of this idea years ago, Captain Marvel's own ego slowly takes over due to her overwhelming power and not having gone through serious effort to earn it. Begins deciding only she has the ability to deal with threats, starts actively threatening anyone that she perceives as taking away from her "duty". Despite this, her "saving" often causes massive collateral damage.
During one particularly controversial engagement she deals with some villain in the obscure country of Latveria, and in so doing completely wrecks the home of a somewhat notable scientist and politician, leading to the death's of his Family and Friends, who were over for a celebration of his recent achievement of becoming nominated for leading one of the major political parties of the country. Victor von Doom, devastated by the loss of everyone close to him seeks revenge with the full resource of the country he will soon rule with an iron fist, to end the threat of the so called "Super-Hero".
Boom: Next arc, Cpt. Marvel as a minor villian who eventually goes through a character arc during a civil-war event to become a bit more understanding of her powers, potentially due to serious injury and having to spend some time without the powers to re-learn humility, and Dr. Doom as the big overarching antagonist.
Secret wars could’ve been prevented had she just taken the Skrulls to the planet Eden where they just killed the one being inhabiting it.
I just finished your long form video on The Marvels. I tried listening last night falling asleep, but you had me rolling! Had to give up and finish this morning bc my snoring husband kept getting pissed at me waking him up. Anyway, great work. Love your content!
I have been saying she was a villain since she was introduced. I thought they were setting her up to be the antagonist for Civil War 2.
Civil war comic where she went full minority report and Tony tries to stop her from passing judgement when the crime hasn't happened yet.
yep in the marvel comics civil war she went full fascistic enforcer of the superhero registration
@@zionmarcelo **non-canon comics. "true to the comics version which was cancelled & relaunched due to low sales about a dozen times before the movie came out"
The prime example of modern writers trying to create villains portraying/identifying as women heroines.
"A Fall from Grace" movie for Ms Marvel where she is hunted by a tuned XMEN and brought to trial would reinstate some of the lost real-estate. Nerfing her powers would also be part of the trial.
She has great power but lacks the care to have great responsibility. It's not like she would have listened if she was told.
You raise a good point, carol could turn bad guy and add some much needed fresh angle on a tiered boring character. Star Wars could do that too making Rey a sith.
What crazy is they wrote her this way without a sense of irony
She's basically the modern day remake of the old "Heraclès" character from ancient greece mythology : Violent, dumb, egotistic, but far too powerful for anyone to check so was kinda allowed to do whatever he wanted.
so basically gilgamesh pre-eradu?
Capt. Marvel's also a certified bike jacker, poser (pay attention to the Nine Inch shirt), girl from Idaho (wink, wink) with daddy issues, and an incompetent Marvel version of a Green Lantern.
And the actress portraying her is just as unlikable.
She physically hurt, and threatened, a guy, plus robbed his cloths and bike, because he was hitting on her. Imagine, if, a guy treated a woman that way, then was made out to be a hero. Would that fly? No. Captain Marvel, is a villian.
It's funny how if they just treated her as that potential threat instead of a perfect hero nothing would have to change and she'd instantly improve.
Carol is better as a villain than as a hero.
Hold on. You say Captain Marvel is mischaracterized but I have to disagree. In the one comic I've read with Captain Marvel, Civil War 2, the Avengers find some kid who is capable of predicting the future. He says celestials are going to attack there, and celestials attack there. He says Thanos will show up there, and Thanos shows up there. He says some woman is about to walk into work with a briefcase full of shield secrets that she's about to sell to HYDRA, and some woman is about to walk into with, but her briefcase is empty. Still, two out of three isn't bad. Captain Marvel takes the stance that the avengers should use this kid to arrest people for crimes they haven't committed yet, and Iron Man takes the stance that "Carol Danvers, have you lost your mind?" Through out the bloody battle that ensues, Captain Marvel doesn't budge an inch. No SHIELD secrets are found anywhere on that one woman, she has no ties to HYDRA, and she's demanding to see a lawyer? Doesn't matter, she's guilty anyway. The kid says Miles Morales is going to murder (a huge, chaotic superpower fight is about to break out, that will inevitably involve Miles Morales fighting for his life against anyone who gets near him) Captain America, and the good Cap says Miles would never do that? No, Miles would totally do that, the kid said so. People die because of Captain Marvel's direct actions? Doesn't matter, Captain Marvel is right anyway.
The Marvels has actually written Captain Marvel true to character
So Civil War 2 is basically a Minority Report Rip off ?
Don't forget that the Captain America at the time was actually Captain Hydra in disguise... and at the end of the whole thing he gives a speech to a comatose Tony. And it made SENSE. An actual, honest-to-goodness nazi was making good points, and most of those points were "holy crap you heroes AREN'T HEROES ANYMORE."
@@Archone666 Wasn't Captain Hydra like a sleeper agent or smth too
@@cillbipher2613 Yep.
Captain Marvel IS A MAN. Geez you guys. They purposely bastardized a perfectly good character because they couldn't think (Or care to think) about writing a female-based character that is actually likeable. You couldn't be more wrong about the OG canon.
Why does a character that can fly need to par core up a 30 ft wall?
Wtf is par core? Do you mean Parkour?
@@jamessherlock6912 Sure do sherly... 😂
She's like the female homelander
Actually Carol visited Earth twice. Once after the snap, and five years later during the battle at Stark Ruins. Possibly even three. And in all that time, she never once visited her so called "friends" or anything, despite Fury literally being dusted and she would've had every motive to find out about her "long time friend" who she served with in the air force. Which makes her relationship with Monica much worse than if she never came to earth. At least you could've put her absence down to the bullshit she did in space after the first movie, but the fact that she never visited Monica in the two times she visits Earth, especially after the Snap, especially with her godlike abilities, speed and connection to Stark and his resources to find anyone, is absolutely damning.
"Captain Marvel, you can't punch a 3 year old in the face. It's immoral."
CM: "Kinda done with you telling me what I can't do."
This analysis is a wonderful illustration of character traits that can be summed up as 'emotional immaturity in an adult body with unlimited power'. Someone who is focused on revenge to make themselves feel better. Isn't this the basis of a tyrant, dictator or cult leader?
Wow, I guess Carol is like the parasitic and family member who just takes, drags everyone else into ruin without consideration. Then shows up to do it all again after a manipulative appeal to their emotions and a quick hug.
Makima is a better female character than Carol Denvers/Captain Marvel, and unlike Carol, who is intended to be a badass heroine but is actually a villain in disguise, Makima is intended to be a villain and a complex antagonist.
She is very heroic in the Greek sense. Not in any other.
This video summarizes exactly what everyone was thinking, even if they didn't know.
Nice.
I am reminded of the movie Heartbreakers. It was done in a light hearted way, not serious, but the too viewpoint heroines committed every sort of selfish and illegal action as the movie went along.
I love how in the HISHE video for the marvels she just ends up at the Villain pub and is apparently going to be one of the new regulars there
She is literally more evil than Homelander and we are supposed to cheer for her.
I would like to see Captain Marvel being slowly turned into Homelander type of charcater, as other characters in the mcu would slowly start to see how evil she is and then would team up against her in some sort of Avengers-like movie, i think it could make her charakter at least intresting
i like captain marvel in the animated avengers assemble then kevin faige and brie were like hold my beer
Megamind: YOUR A VILLAIN ALL RIGHT! just not a super one!
The sad part is this is how captain marvel acts in comics
So Carol is basically Marvel's Homelander
Well...when you put it like that.
On the bright side she makes for a fantastic villain
I am 100% sure Agatha is still just a victim of wandas hex so wanda could redirect part of her guilt
Just the motorcycle scene on its own makes her so obviously the villain even the writers/creators had to remove most of it from the final cut.
Well, when you put it like that, she sounds like the bad guy.
In Wanda's case, you could blame some of that on mental illness. Carol, however, has no such excuse.
Step aside Kang we now have our new Marvel main Villain
I would love Jean to kick that ass.
3:02
Ok you know what, Carol didn’t think/know she could do that until it was suggested. Ok?
And she thought getting rid of the great intelligence would also fix the brainwashing thing (even if it was also out of vengeance).
I can give her a BIT of leniency given the stated scope of her heroing seemingly being at least the Milky Way galaxy if not beyond as a reason for why she’s not on earth 99% of the time, but if she does have familial connections with earth still and is somehow keeping track with them she should be trying to come around a bit more.
Captain Marvel should have been the next big bad with that galaxy-sized ego.
Currently trying to write a villain for a story I’m making who’s an extremely powerful, but insecure, stupid, volatile, child and I think I just found the perfect template.
This analysis appears through and unbiased. I'd have to guess that Disney-Marvel has little interest in fans giving any real thought to the plots / stories vomited forward by agenda-driven children that care nothing of source material nor the desires of based movie-goers. Disney just wants people to give money while choking on all projects created.
You're right.
Higher kill count than Thanos.
Haven't actually thought of it that way.
As a member of the billions of people who chose not to watch this movie, thanks for saving us from having hope in marvel.
The way you describe both movies makes me want to check out The Marvels when it's on streaming. At least now I can laugh about it.
2:56 because the writers didn't "know" she could do THAT
XD
Carol Danvers as Ms Marvel was the peak of her character, ever since they turned her into captain marvel, it’s like everything that made her her was removed and replaced with a worse character.
More importantly,
The WRITERS have these qualities
Ahh yes the Mary Sue Disney pushed so hard they bought cinema tickets
Man...anyone misses Earth's Mightiest Heroes Captain Marvel?
Lol when you list it all, it really puts it in perspective. They had a chance to do something interesting and actually make her the villain, or force her to reflect on her actions/choices, having Kamala realize Monica is the better role model etc.
Part of me feels Marvel Studios may have been intentionally leaning into portraying her as more of a villain until Disney or possibly Brie herself got cold feet about it, trimming down The Marvels signifcantly and cutting any true depth it could have had out of the story.. Iman Vellani not-so-subtly implied Bob Iger is to blame lol
Carol needs to be GROUNDED for being a bad Captain Marvel! She won't be able to get back up this time, or leave the X-mansion, once she crosses paths with Rogue and gets her powers taken away for being so irresponsible with them. After Rogue takes her powers away with her bare hands, Rogue gets to start flying and be part of Secret Wars. She can totally become more like the Rogue of the comics. Like the old animated X-Men/X Men '97. We'd get that version of Rogue finally + Logan in the yellow suit..
Danvers should maybe spend some time in detention with the young mutants at the academy who misbehave and sometimes need to be punished (or a time out). Rogue will hold her powers for her while she's stuck there thinkin' bout what she did. Danvers needs to stay at the academy while Rogue, Monica, Maria, and Miss Marvel get to go do all the cool stuff with the X-Men. Screw Carol. Rogue doesn't like her.
Shes basically omni man before redemption arc or homelander with that whole "im perfect and no one can stop me, you're all beneath me" attitude
I think it's better said that it's not that we hold Carol to a higher standard, but rather we hold her to virtually *any* standard.
"I'll show you! I'll show you all!"
~every villain ever/Carol Danvers
The guy giving her the keys is a cheap knockoff from T2: Judgement Day.
The way she was portrayed in the MCU was horrible. there were previously some pretty decently written stories about her in comics, years ago. but sadly those days and that version of the character is no longer with us.
THAT good version from long ago is the one I like.
Wow, I hated her guts simply because she didn’t live up to the standards of heroism we were told she possessed combined with being overpowered. Now I realize she’s much, much worse than I ever thought.
Been saying this for years, LP.
She would been a FANTASTIC Villian. people already dislike her.
If she turned Heel it would be the best thing ever for the MCU.
They dont need a replacement for Kang, they already have Cpt. Marvel.
Welcome to Marvel, we've been aaying she acts like a villain since they changed her in 2012.
Even though I have your other channel set to all notifications, TH-cam just didn't let me know about a new video there...
I always love it that characters which modern Hollywood promotes as strong females so often possess many characteristics of something which the modern left calls toxic masculinity; rude, arrogant, unnecessary violent, selfish etc.
I loce the fact that they try to steal from Terminator without realising that the Terminator is a robot/cyborg not a human.
At least they have a new villain for the next phase now that ‘Kang the conquered by Ants’ is going to jail.
Captain Marvel behaves like the Terminator from the first movie like the writers forgot Terminator was the bad guy.
She shows up, the Marvel equivalent of Superman, beats up a normal human for saying something she didn't like, robs him blind, then commits grand theft auto, causing a traffic accident in the process. And this is all within one scene. That's not even an archvillain. That's a psychopath with too much power.
Word for Word the speech she should hear before rogue takes her powers and leaves her in a permanent coma
Captain Marvel in the comics: (Sergeant Calhoun from Wreck-it-Ralph)
Captain Marvel in movies: raging b*****
At least with the older version of Carol in the comics, she was a more classic feminist, if you will, without all the unlikability. Modern Carol is just awful
Man mcu can do so muuuuuch so many villains to return instead they just keep giving us “heroes” like I want to see victor von doooooom
Villians Writers trying to write a Hero story...She plays the role the Writers scripted
6:03 or say created an artificial life form that tried to wipe out humanity oh wait he was forgiven pretty easily.
Disney Marvel should have known they had a problem when many theaters cheered when Thanos punched her in the face.
Have you not thought this could be deliberate, "programming"
Never watched either of the Captain Marvel movies, but from your clip I watched her strong arm robbery a guy for his helmet, jacket and motorcycle...villainous yes, but worse SHE CAN FLY and SHE'S F-ING INVULNERABLE! She doesn't need a bike or a helmet.
She couldn't fly at that point in the movie. She had the inhibitor chip so she could only shoot photon blasts and had some Kree level basic super strength and durability at this point.
I stand corrected
This is sexism cloaked in a review.
Captain Marvel is kind of like superman, if superman had no conscious and if the universe wasn't populated with equally overpowered threats.
I remember back in Spider man 2 there were several scenes showing Spiderman saving people. Throughout the MCU we have seen less and less normal people being saved. Now the Marvel universe feels more like a giant sandbox for superpowered jerks to do whatever they want, and the lives of the normal people mean little to nothing. Now it would be salvagable if the MCU realized that their characters have become villains, because then you could have a force rise to stop them. However, the weird thing is, they actually think their characters are good, inspiring figures.
Will someone please please get rid of Brie Larson?
These did have vvhamens writers, and as Jack Nicholson said, "They're men without reason or accountability."
(Quote adjusted)
Captain Marvel can't do anything without massive CGI.
applying the logic of the biker scene to the stan lee cameo means she assaulted stan lee.