Transforming Code into Beautiful, Idiomatic Python

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  • Raymond Hettinger
    Learn to take better advantage of Python's best features and improve existing code through a series of code transformations, "When you see this, do that instead."

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  • @rafehqazi8539
    @rafehqazi8539 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1471

    Note to Python 3 Users:
    - izip is just zip
    - d.iteritems() is just d.items()
    - To use defaultdict: You have to do the following --> from collections import defaultdict

    • @suburbanmoscow9067
      @suburbanmoscow9067 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Rafeh Qazi thx for the additional info

    • @CleverProgrammer
      @CleverProgrammer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Woah, did not notice my comment was sitting at 65 likes haha. I now have my own computer programming TH-cam channel! Thanks for commenting Suburban and making me see this!

    • @suburbanmoscow9067
      @suburbanmoscow9067 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are welcome. I will check out your channel as well! Cheers

    • @javierRC82857
      @javierRC82857 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rafeh Qazi but in Python 2.7 zip is an iterator? izip,zip or range,xrange why not use iterator for everything and let the programmer choose if he want expand the list?

    • @nmertsch8725
      @nmertsch8725 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Javier I'm not sure if this is what you asked for, but you can use "list(range(x))" or "list(zip(x,y))", if you really want to have a list instead of an iterable object.

  • @juliushinze5177
    @juliushinze5177 7 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    10:20 Beautiful syntax highlighting

    • @jonty3551
      @jonty3551 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @nickbarss1693
      @nickbarss1693 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I remember my prof for C++ and OOP had every other word/letter in his notes/code highlighted with no common theme whatsoever.

  • @gromilla1990
    @gromilla1990 7 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    "If you are mutating something while you are iterating over it, you are living in a state of sin and you deserve whatever happens to you" :D loled so hard on this one! 20:20

    • @Michael-jq1hl
      @Michael-jq1hl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi I have recently started studying python, what is that arrow in print i,'-->',color?

    • @burakozdamar
      @burakozdamar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@Michael-jq1hl it's not a special character or something. he just wanted to print an arrow, that's it. the characters in single or double quotation marks are interpreted as string. so this statement prints 1 --> greens for example.

    • @Michael-jq1hl
      @Michael-jq1hl 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@burakozdamar I see, many thanks, I never found the answer to that and now that I see the quotes makes more sense :)

    • @godfather7339
      @godfather7339 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Michael-jq1hl it's been a year, hope you are doing with python.

    • @Michael-jq1hl
      @Michael-jq1hl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@godfather7339 hey, kind of. I decided that instead of developing I could recruit Python Devs, so that is how I am using the little skill I have acquired.
      Unfortunately, most Devs think I am like any other recruiter and ignore me xD

  • @jeffkirchoff14
    @jeffkirchoff14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Man YT recommended it after 8 yrs
    In search of gold I found diamond

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    The ignored() idiom exists in Python 3.4+ but is called suppress():
    # NEW WAY in Python 3.4+:
    from contextlib import suppress
    with suppress(OSError):
    os.remove('foo.txt')

    • @locanix
      @locanix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I was wondering why I couldn't find it

    • @rusca8
      @rusca8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      +

  • @qg4091
    @qg4091 7 ปีที่แล้ว +542

    This guy is seriously amazing, love his style of teaching

    • @johncherry108
      @johncherry108 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Pity his ego needs to be continuously stroked with applause.

    • @Pulsar77
      @Pulsar77 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      John Cherry Oh FFS, it's a joke. First rule of becoming a Python programmer: have a sense of humor.

    • @heinzguderian9980
      @heinzguderian9980 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He reminds me a bit too much of a pastor for me to be completely comfortable, (like from a Pentecostal church or something). Or an unctuous salesman telling us about his schemes. Material was great, though.

    • @DimitrisK5
      @DimitrisK5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@johncherry108 It's one of his techniques to keep the audience engaged. He is an excellent speaker and he obviously does that on purpose. You might also notice that he asks the audience all the time if they learnt something new, or how many knew that, or what's the problem with this piece of code, etc..
      On top of that, he makes me (and I assume other people, too) feel like we are part of the Python family; the core team seems close and approachable and I get a feeling of belonging to this line of developers who transformed the way we think about human programming forever.

    • @KurzedMetal
      @KurzedMetal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No wonder why Python is awesome, they have awesome devs :)

  • @PedroTeixeira
    @PedroTeixeira 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I’ve been using Python for over a decade (informally trained) and haven’t learned so many great tidbits so quickly in a long time. Awesome talk!

  • @merlin2600
    @merlin2600 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    At 44:00, The `with ignored(OSError)` has been renamed to `with suppress(OSError)` and is from the contextlib package.

  • @brotherlui5956
    @brotherlui5956 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    6 years old but still good advice. Raymond is a great teacher.

    • @GroundZero_US
      @GroundZero_US 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cirogarcia8958 10 years old, your statement of his statement still stands.

    • @stijnvandensande3579
      @stijnvandensande3579 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GroundZero_US almost 11 now

    • @GroundZero_US
      @GroundZero_US 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stijnvandensande3579 • and still holds up

  • @kumarc634
    @kumarc634 8 ปีที่แล้ว +425

    at 7:22 it should not
    for i, color in enumerate(colors):
    print i,'--->',color[i]
    but
    for i, color in enumerate(colors):
    print i,'--->',color
    may be printing mistake

    • @mByyurt
      @mByyurt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I was here to write that. Nice catch.

    • @a8lg6p
      @a8lg6p 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I was about to make that comment. Either way works the same, but it's exactly what he's been telling us not to do, so clearly a mistake.

    • @adelkhafizova
      @adelkhafizova 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Also stopped the video to see if someone has pointed this out already)

    • @aikimark1955
      @aikimark1955 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you think that Raymond is reading these comments?

    • @EyeIn_The_Sky
      @EyeIn_The_Sky 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you do have to have the: print(i,'-->', color [i]) otherwise you will just get all the colours beside each index in a row repeated 4 times. Unless this is just in Python 3?

  • @stasbovanenko
    @stasbovanenko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing talk ! Probably best I've heard in all 26 year I'm coding. A handful of smiles and headful of HQ knowledge. Thank you, Raymond !

  • @sandeshgowdru8869
    @sandeshgowdru8869 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10 years old video, and it is gold.

    • @chrstfer2452
      @chrstfer2452 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some minor differences, izip is just zip now i guess

  • @Decessus117
    @Decessus117 9 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    "There's two kinds of people in the world: people who've mastered dictionaries and total goobers." - Raymond Hettinger

  • @snowblindu
    @snowblindu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +279

    I wish this guy was my teacher

    • @hdggoyo7423
      @hdggoyo7423 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +snowblindu he's cocky and not interesting at all

    • @PhilGerb93
      @PhilGerb93 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      +hd ggoyo pffft, hater. I wish he was my teacher too!

    • @jfolz
      @jfolz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      +hd ggoyo He added a lot of the cool stuff to Python so he gets to be cocky.

    • @hdggoyo7423
      @hdggoyo7423 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +riDDimann i was just joking, he looks like a cool dude, chill guys

    • @AlfredEssa
      @AlfredEssa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He is cocky, but he knows his shit. If you are going to be a hater, prove your chops.

  • @torgeirlaurvik8195
    @torgeirlaurvik8195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was the video that got me interested in writing ideomatic Python and iterators. I've revisited it now and then ever since 1. year at uni. Amazing lecturer.

  • @MrTigerstyle80
    @MrTigerstyle80 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This dude is off the hook smart.

  • @shushens
    @shushens 9 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Love this guy. I was quite disappointed when it ended. I was so expecting a much much longer video :D

    • @ceestimmerman9785
      @ceestimmerman9785 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could read the "What's New" articles instead: docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/index.html

    • @jacobschmidt
      @jacobschmidt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ceestimmerman9785 it's not quite the same!

  • @matthewwatts9693
    @matthewwatts9693 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is a must see video for an python developer. Fantastic!

  • @VibeWithSingh
    @VibeWithSingh 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This presentation is simply awesome !! hands down !!

  • @MrTigerstyle80
    @MrTigerstyle80 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude’s kind of a colossal badass. Not even mad at the Casey Kasem vibe at all. He’s a beast.

  • @MrCoolnamehuh
    @MrCoolnamehuh 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Found this to be one of the most useful python talks thus yet on youtube.

  • @eduardoherrera3696
    @eduardoherrera3696 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this wonderful lecture. I think this insight might be helpful . As a Novice programer I had a few issues understanding how some of core functions in Python worked and what was because the people who taught me where using derived language examples. Phrases like "if you've code an another language....". But I haven't well time passed I learned the hard way later got to this video and inevitably think that things would been a lot easier for me if this lecture was around.

  • @joedempseysr.3376
    @joedempseysr.3376 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation! Take the old-fashioned, ugly, slow way of doing things and instead do the new-fangled, beautiful, fast way. I love it!

  • @borgonzalezusach9263
    @borgonzalezusach9263 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man is technically brilliant and hilarious. Not something you see everyday. Thanks for the nice speech!!

  • @CraigPerry
    @CraigPerry 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Raymond's an entertaining, engaging presenter. Good mix of material here, definitely came away richer for the experience.

  • @richieKostenko
    @richieKostenko 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is probably the best presented programming video I've ever seen. Thanks!

  • @thatguy1000001
    @thatguy1000001 10 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I literally just watched this a second time for the entertainment value! Raymond Hettinger is hilarious! Not only was watching this a lot of fun, but super-informative and efficient.
    I'm going to go check out some of his other talks. If I'm gonna learn python, it might as well be from this dude!

    • @tdao9741
      @tdao9741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And how’s yours python 7 years later?

  • @VladimirSanchez
    @VladimirSanchez 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can listen to Mr Hettinger all the time!!!
    Thanks for the presentation and your contributions.

  • @guhkunpatata3150
    @guhkunpatata3150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where have I been All this time only to find this GEM right now ??? This video is very great and a MUST WATCH for any pythonista

  • @espeon91
    @espeon91 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really insightful video. Didn't even notice the time fly by. Already feel better as a Python programmer.

  • @mpgovinda
    @mpgovinda 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just one video and learned more things worth years... great tips!

  • @mattralston4969
    @mattralston4969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the lecture, sir. I appreciate the review of some critical "dos and don'ts" for beginners.

  • @hoanghaipham4318
    @hoanghaipham4318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What amazing techniques! Why I haven't seen this sooner. Thank you a lots

  • @darkopz
    @darkopz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Initially I refuse to believe any developer wouldn’t know what “in” semantically means, but then I’m reminded of all the code I’ve seen.

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most programmers nowadays have just learnt to parrot other people's code without any actual in-depth understanding of what it does or why is its syntax the way it is. Mostly "thanks to" online tutorials, like those on Udemy or alike where blind lead the blind :q I still have people giving me weird looks when I write C++ code like this:
      if (a == b) do_something();
      else do_something_else();
      instead of wrapping the functions into braces, because they think that those braces are part of the syntaxt and have to be there. Or if I write something like this:
      cout

  • @toomuchtruth
    @toomuchtruth 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Start open source contributions to project by going in and placing doc strings". This is a brilliant idea! I've wanted to start contributing for so long but didn't feel I have the skills, I'm gonna do this!!!

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, do it. There's a lot of extremely crappy documentation for Python modules :q

  • @fintohaps
    @fintohaps 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing stuff! Love the functional style entering Python

  • @77aHeB
    @77aHeB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First - this is an awesome piece, I didn't knew Raymond Hettinger was to be blamed for so many iterators in python, and I truthfully love this guy now that I know what he did for most of my days! :)
    There is a small bug in 15:58 onwards due to the missing tgt variable, but the more important thing is that it can get even more beautiful (IMHO) from:
    def find(seq, target):
    for i, value in enumerate(seq):
    if value == target:
    break
    else:
    return -1
    return i
    to this:
    def find(seq, target):
    for i, value in enumerate(seq):
    if value == target:
    return i
    return -1
    not that the for/else is not nice in some other cases, this was probably just not the right example for it.

  • @jasonstapley6822
    @jasonstapley6822 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That talk was amazing. Will need to watch this video a few times.

  • @DmitriiGlandarius
    @DmitriiGlandarius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Very nice. In just 50 minutes I learned moe then in the last month.

  • @3ombieautopilot
    @3ombieautopilot 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is priceless! Thanks for the upload.

  • @JamesSKim
    @JamesSKim 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This lecture is very nice to learn advanced Python programming. After I watched this video, I realize that I have used Python almost like using C. I have used C and C++ as well as Matlab. Hence, I thought that many approaches in Python will be not much different from the conventional languages except specialized keywords. However, I realize that grammars in Python can be different from that in C.

  • @sudiptochatterjee
    @sudiptochatterjee 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot for this video. Raymond is an awesome guy.

  • @RichardGrigonis
    @RichardGrigonis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad that he said we should rename For as ForEach. I suggested that online some years ago, and boy did I get lambasted by everybody!

  • @dpo357
    @dpo357 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I learned a LOT with this video, Kudos Raymond Hettinger
    15:52 for/else, I've always wanted this. For a long time now, I've replicated this behavior in Java enclosing the for inside try/catch and throwing a custom exception of the kind 'BrokenLoop', which looks waaay better, despite feeling forced and inappropriate. Huge like.

  • @miguelvasquez9849
    @miguelvasquez9849 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is why i love python, the ways to write clean code.

  • @Krazness
    @Krazness 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this may be the best python video I've seen online

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, there should be a video like this one for every language out there.
      One can learn much more about how to write clean code from such videos than from any crappy tutorial.

  • @derekeden1163
    @derekeden1163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    probably best python video ive ever seen

  • @uthoshantm
    @uthoshantm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Note that these functional constructs are now in every mainstream language such as C# and Java. So, it's not that Python has a specific capability, but experienced Python programmers do encourage the use functional constructs. This video is an example.

  • @anubhav9476
    @anubhav9476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man even though this is not quite as relevant to me today, I really love his presentation style

  • @manojbisht7018
    @manojbisht7018 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Documented version gist.github.com/JeffPaine/6213790

    • @blabnfriends
      @blabnfriends 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      gratzi

    • @ciscohdz
      @ciscohdz 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      hero, that is you

  • @mountainhobo
    @mountainhobo 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Love Raymond's presentation style.

  • @GraficaObscura
    @GraficaObscura 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow - amazing talk - informative, concise, immediately useful. Thank you.

  • @movax20h
    @movax20h 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "with ignored(OSError)". So cool. TIL. In Python 3, it is called "with suppress(...)". You can list multiple exception types too.

  • @jakykong
    @jakykong 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He even said I would fight him on this, but haha, oh man, the comparison functions are something I absolutely *miss*, even if I really agree with almost everything else he said and have been writing idiomatic Python for ages. I ran into a real problem the other day where comparisons were a much cleaner solution than the less obvious and potentially much slower multi-pass sorting: Sorting on multiple keys with independent ascending or descending orders.
    You can sort a plain tuple without any fuss if you don't mind that every key is ascending or every key is descending. But if you want to mix those, you have to do it in multiple passes, starting from the least significant key to the most significant key, and rely on timsort's stability to get the job done -- or, IMO, cleaner -- if this were Python 2, I could have expressed the comparison function with appropriate ascending/descending signs in a simple if/elif/else return 0 chain, and rapidly expressed both the intent and the functional result quickly.
    Python 3 even provides a conversion utility that creates wrapper objects on the fly to facilitate this need, which is a bizarrely convoluted way to accomplish what simply allowing either key function or comparison function would have.

  • @anAlokDubey
    @anAlokDubey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I m watching 7 years old video and leaning lots of amazing things.... :-) you are really great.

  • @anonvigil628
    @anonvigil628 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This needs updated for Python 3 - I have to go hunting for which of his recommendations are still valid. The video could at least have footnotes that say which still applies in Py3.

  • @Alex_Khouri
    @Alex_Khouri 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video - thank you so much!

  • @SvenSiegmund
    @SvenSiegmund 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the people who make Python! Thanks for this most enlightening talk.

    • @wasikhan7741
      @wasikhan7741 ปีที่แล้ว

      are you a python ninja by now?

    • @SvenSiegmund
      @SvenSiegmund ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wasikhan7741 I sure am 😏

  • @rusca8
    @rusca8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, this is awesome.

  • @defined_user
    @defined_user 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a great video! Many thanks!

  • @SeqMod
    @SeqMod 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this guy is really helpful. BLESS

  • @MacroAggressor
    @MacroAggressor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great! I have a *much* better understanding of iterators and their purpose now. Thanks, Mr. Hettinger.
    edit: How did I not know about dictionary comprehensions?!? (21:05) That is AWESOME!!

    • @dgh25
      @dgh25 ปีที่แล้ว

      idk, kinda standard stuff in CS

  • @purplecrayon7281
    @purplecrayon7281 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this man! He should write a book on clean Python code, if he hasn't already.

  • @AhmedBalfaqih
    @AhmedBalfaqih 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I kept smiling. Thank you.

  • @AbdelazizYakout
    @AbdelazizYakout 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    great lesson and great presenting style!!

  • @gibbostooth
    @gibbostooth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    43:47 "ignored" is now called "suppress" and it's part of "contextlib" library.

  • @mingosutu
    @mingosutu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In python you make your video with audience, clapping, laughing and commenting. Python is fantastic.

  • @jnuxadrian
    @jnuxadrian 9 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I think that 'return newfunc(*args)' on line 6 must be replaced by 'return saved[args]' at 41:12

  • @orkoxy
    @orkoxy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    At 7:26, it should be
    for i, color in enumerate(colors):
    print i, '-->', color

    • @Michael-jq1hl
      @Michael-jq1hl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi I have recently started studying python, what is that arrow in print i,'-->',color?

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael the arrow is a string

  • @VoicelessRabbit
    @VoicelessRabbit 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG... I have been doing hacks in python for loops trying to do what enumerate does... THANK YOU!!!

  • @DeMurker
    @DeMurker 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great explanations. And even 3 years late still very useful.
    One thing though, he says that generator expressions make things faster but when I timeit I get this:
    ~$ python -m timeit "sum(i**2 for i in xrange(10))"
    100000 loops, best of 3: 1.74 usec per loop
    ~$ python -m timeit "sum([i**2 for i in xrange(10)])"
    1000000 loops, best of 3: 1.39 usec per loop

    • @benburrill
      @benburrill 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +DeMurker Not reproducible: I got 2.57 for generator and 2.77 for list. But in any case, as you go beyond a 10 element list, you are going to get increasingly large memory and speed problems.

    • @Shaddycls
      @Shaddycls 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The reason beyond containers over generators affects only at memory level: using zip(iterator1, iterator2) produces a single big object which contains the sum of both containers, since when you use a generator, it only produces an element on each iteration, so you will never have the entire sum of both containers in memory, which is an optimization and faster.

    • @deidyomega
      @deidyomega 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do it again, but xrange(1000000) ;-)

  • @nishankbani3257
    @nishankbani3257 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation on Python code writing.

  • @TheXutraks
    @TheXutraks 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing video, really good video and tips, thanks

  • @EdwardBriggler
    @EdwardBriggler 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant talk, thanks for sharing!

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    izip() in Python2 is zip() in Python3. Also, you can loop over the longer of the lists. So,
    import itertools
    colors = ['red','green,'blue','purple']; shapes =['circle,'triangle','square']
    for col, shp in zip_longest(colors,shapes):
    print( col, '--->', shp)
    >>>
    red ---> circle
    green ---> triangle
    blue ---> square

  • @blenderpanzi
    @blenderpanzi 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    27:50 I think doing this is so common, there should be a group_by(sequence, keyfunc). You could then call it with group_by(names, len). There should also be an index_by(sequence, keyfunc). These functions would be trivial to implement, but nevertheless they are common and useful enough to be put in some standard lib (collections?).

  • @erik7726
    @erik7726 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video, helps writing efficient and clean Python!

  • @dmknght8946
    @dmknght8946 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many thanks! It is still useful for me!

  • @BryanChance
    @BryanChance 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing talk..more professors like him. :) I'm starting to appreciate Python now.
    EDIT: Wow

  • @RanjitKrishnanNair
    @RanjitKrishnanNair 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was amazing!

  • @llewgibson
    @llewgibson 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just stumbled across your video mate, really love the content. Liked straight away, We should connect!

  • @ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758
    @ireallyhatemakingupnamesfo1758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sophomore CS student here, spent a year in Java and C and been trying to learn python. Currently, my brain is melting

  • @yuli3873
    @yuli3873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So this man made enumerate()? I love him from now on!

  • @eskays9840
    @eskays9840 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    very much required for a beginner like and why would someone dislike this ....

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe they code in C ;)

  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf ปีที่แล้ว

    great video. thank you

  • @BillTubbs
    @BillTubbs 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    There's an error on the slide at 7:13 titled 'Looping over a collection and indices'. Last line should be:
    print i, '-->', color

    • @vanshdeep91
      @vanshdeep91 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bill Tubbs both have the same meaning brother be it color or colors [i]

    • @BillTubbs
      @BillTubbs 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Both have the same result but using the color iterator that enumerate creates is 'faster and beautiful' as he points out.

  • @rdoetjes
    @rdoetjes 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I learned a lot! Then again I don't use Py3 because I use Jython which only 2.7 is stable and a compositing suite that has 2.7 also.
    The problem with functional programming is (and this video proves it) is that you need to know the function names and what to look for. This means actually bothering to read lots of papers and documentation and then you need to remember them. People aren't very good in remembering things especially non-descriptive.
    So only people who really dedicated in a language will know these things but Python is an awesome language but it's not a core programming language for most. Which is Java, C# or C++ and there you don't have a lot of functional functions.
    I love C because it has very few keywords, STL is great but I ALWAYS need to to reread who it works. Functionally very powerful but it's even less descriptive than these functions.
    So now that I know these situations explained by Raymond I will look them back here and read the docs apply them several times and probably by the 7th or 9th time I will remember it. That is until I don't use Python for 2 years again and forgotten all about them :D

    • @palpytine
      @palpytine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many (if not most) FP languages offer some sort of modules or namespaces to handle this exact problem of discovery, it's definitely not an issue with the paradigm in general.

  • @martinborus9531
    @martinborus9531 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This talk is great even after 10 years.
    Some of the syntax has changed, for example in 2023:
    at 44:05 the "with ignored" is now
    from contextlib import suppress
    with suppress(OSERROR):
    and the "izip" command is gone, zip now creates a generator.

  • @PramodL
    @PramodL 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't recommend this talk enough. Must watch to take your python chops to the next level.

  • @MrWorshipMe
    @MrWorshipMe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Whenever you have a break in the for loop, just wrap that loop inside a function and return instead of break. If you want to return something else in case the for loop didn't break, just return after that loop. No need for else on the for. A for loop with a break and an else is not as readable as a function which just returns from the loop and after it.

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. However it's not always that easy. For example, if you rely on a lot of state variables inside a complex loop: although factoring it into a function would seem as a great thing to have, it would also mean that you would have to find some way to carry on all that complicated context along with it :q

    • @MrWorshipMe
      @MrWorshipMe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bonbonpony This is exactly what classes are for. Encapsulate all that context inside one class, and have that for loop as a private function.
      Or if that context is shared, have it inside a named tuple and pass it to the function.

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      But that's the problem: then you have to PASS it around all the time.
      And it's not that _all_ of that context is needed _all_ the time. Suppose the loop uses only 50% of it. Then you have to pass the other unneeded 50% of the clutter too. And it will be a mess. (Inb4 you say passing objects is cheap by reference: but it's still a mess.)
      Classes? No, that's not what classes are for. Classes are not just "big ol' bags for data and functions" (unfortunately, many people think of them that way.) They are means to model real-life objects as new data types, by defining their interfaces. What you meant is more like a _namespace_ or _module_ , but still it doesn't solve the problem - it just moves it somewhere else. Because all that state will now have to be shared between several functions and, as I said, not _every_ function requires _every_ piece of that state at the same time.

  • @bigtallslim
    @bigtallslim 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great presentation!

  • @isilanes
    @isilanes 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    24:20, about the use of get() when counting appearances of color within a list. I am probably not saying anything new, but I did some tests and actually using get() is slower than the naïve "if color not in d". More concise, sure, but more efficient... it doesn't seem so. The defaultdict he mentions later is actually quite faster, even including the time to convert the defaultdict back into a regular dict.
    Of the alternative ways of doing the counting, I sometimes use a fourth one he doesn't mention, and is almost as fast as the defaultdict. The code would go like this:
    d = {}
    for color in colors:
    try:
    d[color] += 1
    except:
    d[color] = 1
    Of course the relative speed of different methods depends on how many different "color" items we have within the list "colors". The try/except method is more efficient the less distinct colors there are (so less except blocks executed).

  • @johncongerton7046
    @johncongerton7046 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most enlightening talk

  • @AliSattarBarani
    @AliSattarBarani 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing Slideshow

  • @mesbahiali4586
    @mesbahiali4586 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great lecture :D

  • @RiptheJacker
    @RiptheJacker 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good video. Starts off as a video for python beginners but is insightful for experienced developers as well.

  • @MrDevZero
    @MrDevZero 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great. This presentation is awesome. To make it awesomer slides should also be available somewhere.

  • @StevenAkinyemi
    @StevenAkinyemi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I come back to this every few years. 😅

  • @jaashutosh
    @jaashutosh 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Presentation.

  • @raphael3666
    @raphael3666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this guy