Failed Cards and Mechanics - Defense Position Effects With Mother Spider
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2024
- In this video we'll be looking at some failed card mechanics, in the form of some failed cards that never really saw competitive play. Starting off with Mother Spider. I swear future videos will talk about more than just 1 card.
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Iron Chain. I wanted so much for that archetype...but nothing.
It's annoying to play against in Link Evolution, I'll give it that.
Well, do you remember that guy with the nosehairs?
Well... They can turbo out Iron Chain Dragon reasonably well
@@Bezaliel13 oh god what was his name? warden armstrong?
@@kaiseremotion854
Right?
I swear this reboot of Legacy of the Worthless is so weird, and non-slavic
0/10 not enough shapes snatched by The One
We need more shape snatch
Now I would love Rata voicing one of his lists.
I honestly still think Rata's gonna retire from being a Yugituber by the end of the year.
This seems like a really good idea for a series, I hope we get more. Honestly even if the cards you talk about end up seeing play in the future would still be an interesting snap shot in history of the game
I'm sure he's gonna cover Gemini at some point, that mechanic is just literal why tho
It had a lot of potential- Effect monsters that benefit from Nornal support that could have near-broken abilities due to the Gemini Summoning mechanic costing your Normal Summon. And then they got no good effects (except maybe Gigaplant). It would also have helped if threy were treated as Normal Monsters except when Gemini summoned so they could benefit from hand/deck Normal support.
@@eightteentwo you forgot Il Blud
Gemini monsters should've had more worth-it effects seeing as you had to normal summon them twice just to gain it. But most of their effects are lackluster
@@belafeldbusch3397 I left out Il Blud because it has an extra downside that leaves everything it summons extremely vulnerable. Did it see any competitive success?
@@eightteentwo i thought they were always treated as normals until activated?
inb4 Mother Spider randomly becomes broken in 5 years
When Konami makes Knil monsters that only have DEF and can't be in ATK position.
Hey, it worked for Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin.
There is a world premiere Insect archetype in Dawn of Majesty…
@@Zetact_ Isn't it noole monsters the new mechanic that allows you to use cards from your hand to special summon from extra deck? You know, the cards with fucsia and orange frame.
I mean, 5 years is kinda a long time, but yeah. Maybe the next summoning mechanic will only be able to be in face up defense position (like links only being in face up attack) for some random reason. Or insects become the meta. Or everyone just stops caring about winning and just wants to give some useless cards some play for memes.
TDL has some self-loathing issues, calling himself a failed mechanic.
When your self esteem is so low that you call yourself a failed mechanic.
Nah, he is a failed mechanic, which is why he decided to stop fixing cars and make TH-cam videos instead :P
Let's be real here who doesn't have self loathing issues? Especially in today's climate where everyone is telling you you're fundamentally wrong every five seconds (clearly the best use of the internet), mob mentality is cool, cancel culture is a real thing and not just a meme for some reason, and social media exists (seriously the effect studies have shown social media to have on our mental health AND how addicting it is for most is scary (too bad the government is both too old and greedy to care and all the companies themselves care about is short term revenue)). And don't get me started about the persistent institutions that beat you down (school, capitalism, prison) which have yet to have seen any necessary reform (capitalism is pretty difficult to reform, but school and prison are feasible). Mental health is easily in the worst and most fragile state it's ever been in and only going to keep getting worse.
@@vullord666 The internet was a mistake
a very, very grave mistake....
@@vullord666 i can't say better
Interesting video like to see more of these in the future
Concur. "How can they fix this card" I say in my DuelLogs voice.
Agreed
Yesssss. I loved it. Let's encourage him
Then sub
Coming from the #1 expert on Mother Spider and Spider related cards.
Or maybe #5…
Ice Counters? Ice Counters were a little theme that always seemed strange to me because they're supposed to be put on your opponent's cards but it's infinitely more reliable to put them on your own?
Or just counter card not counter traps like any counter card are kinda bad right now while the spell counters are the most reliable out of the counters they're still bad
When I was young, we thought that monsters could be summoned in face up defense position, probably because of the anime. If that was the case, I could imagine Mother Spider seeing some play. But even then, it probably came out a few years too late.
Yeah, in that sense it could have been a pretty good anime card. Could make a pretty good duel around that card. Unfortunately in the actual game itself...just didn't work out.
Duel links , home of cards that need a second life.
I like how he always refers to DL as "over there", DL is the land covered by shadows which Mufasa told Simba not to go to. I like it but I hate Blue Eyes and that damned Karma Cut.
@@marcossprecacenere3496 You and me brotha .
@@marcossprecacenere3496 blue eyes is hardly a top contender anymore though, if anything it can get repetitive if all you face is blue eyes but that's about it
@@marcossprecacenere3496 it's funny when someone comes from TCG to duel links and share their experiences like being beaten by blue eyes karma cut, because this is a kind of thing that don't even happen in the TCG
Mother Spider can't be a failed card, it gave us your VTuber rig so even if it's bad in the game it has given more to this world than it has taken away.
Here's another: Ancient Lamp, makes the opponent's monsters fight each other
The way you phrased that does not sound like a failure tbh.
Back in the day during the synchro era, i was confused with cards that needed to be face-up defense to benefits with their effects and the only card i could think of to make it possible is with *Level Limit - Area B* since it's a staple lockdown card.
Then after watching some YGO anime, i found out that the whole face-up defense thing is because in anime, they can normal summon that way instead of just setting it face down. I guess that's why
Actually you have cards like Book of the Eclipse, Earth Quake, No Entry, Windstorm, Zero gravity, stumbling, Memory loss. There are a lot of good cards that can help spiders, its just they get walled by Links.
The reason they did that in the anime was so that you can actually see the monster in action
Love the ideas that you are getting for videos. I haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh for years but I love listening and learning about all of these cards and their different mechanics, their uprisings, and their downfalls. Please keep up with such great content!
I would love to see a video like this about "deck-out" strategies and why they are so far away from being relevant in game rn
I mean "deck-out" does still work....... It's just you have to be able to do it in one turn for it to work since every single meta deck and alot of rouge decks play out of the grave...... I have a Mayakashi mill deck that can do it......but if I don't get the full combo or my opponent has more that like 44 cards I basically lose lol.
i think he did an empty jar showcase a while ago, he explained why deck out doesn't really work anymore there
Biggest reason is you have to do it all in one turn or you've given your opponent too much advantage. It's kind of like the "Maxx C Challenge" in that if you fail the challenge you've basically lost the duel then and there
half the cardpool is in the "too bad to see competitive play" category, I would like to see more examples like vasuki, of "this card became a tech option in this particular format"
One mechanic that was gimicky and cool was the card shifting shadows that allow you to shuffle your face down defense positions monsters. It was used in that Exxod structure deck of rock monster who purpose was to get flip back face down after getting flip faced up after using their effects.
Wandering Mummy
The guardian archetype with monsters needing their specific equip cards to be summoned. I feel they should be reworked so they lose the dumb restriction and make it so that if you have the specific equip card on the field you can special summon the respective monster from your hand then equip the equip card to the monster.
All those cards need retrains and Butterfly dagger needs to be errata to a HOP
Link Monsters: "I'm about to end this mother's whole career"
Dude I love that you're trying out new ideas for videos. Keep up the good work.
Give Spiders a support card that punishes link monsters for not going into defense position
No
@@Mr.HootieHooRDK yes
How about a new spider monster that doesn't let your opponnet to Link summon
@@rexxereldritch5579 a spider has the right to be a card with arrows
@@rexxereldritch5579 or a spider card that says “if a monster cannot go into defense position by the effects of a Spider card, shuffle it into the deck”
Digital Bugs did the whole 'defense position' gimmick better, it's a shame they never found a way to make the two archetypes work together.
Are you aware of a different set of "digital bugs" than I am? Cause iirc digital bugs have terrible effects related to defense position, are an xyz spam archetype that inherently lock themselves out of 99% of actually decent xyz monsters, and lacked anyway (besides their terrible inherent rank up that deletes all your resources) to access half their extra deck roster or easily change battle positions until Resistrider released over 4 years after the rest of the cards.
@@Mr.ToadJanfu They have lingering effects that switch monsters to defense position, they gain materials from switching to defense position, they deal piercing damage, they manipulate defense points, they have quick-effect removal based on defense points, they speical summon and search by switching themselves to defense position. Yeah, I somehow think that might be their main gimmick, wierd right?
I recall when I made custom Spider support and stumbled into Digital Bugs while searching for it and though t "man, the two can really combine to do something really fun"
I still think their gimmick has the potential to be very fun to play as long ad they get the right support to make it more consistent by putting opponent's monsters into defense position and treating Face-up Attack Position monsters as being in face-up Defense position (just so Links aren't completely immune to it). Idk, but they can be a fun control deck I think
@@sephikong8323 All I can really think of is using Mother Spider to clear some monsters after using Websoldier to XYZ into Giga Brilliant or Scaradiator, then ranking up to Corebage to potentially clear 3 monsters from your opponents field. Not sure if there's any generic insect searchers that aren't incredibly slow though, but yeah, 3 card combos aren't exactly great.
@@Christian-rn1ur digital bugs would be better as "living floodgates" if they got say, a rank 11 boss monster that shut down all of the opponent's ATK position monsters's effects and reduced their atk to 0 (laughing even harder at links, who are currenlty just inmune to digital bugs effects). forcing the opponent to play in def position if they want to make any plays.
maybe also giving them monsters or spells that helped your digital bugs turn the opponent's monsters in DEF. like say a new digital bug card WITH THE "an xyz monster who has this card as an xyz material gains this effect" effect gave the effect of being able to once per turn, switch the atk and def positions of all opponent's monsters
digital bugs are just THIS close of being playable. sadly konami couldn't care
new duelogs series just dropped 🍿
Love how the meme of Mother Spider on your channel has become an interesting video.
As someone who loves the spider arc type and is desperately trying to make it work… this hits hard
The "Treated as [card name] " mechanics like Aqua dolphin and Marine dolphin. Even they separate from main deck and extra deck but 3 cards per deck rule still apply to them.
the same can be said about Harpie
legendary ocean >>> umi you' dnever run umi anyways lol
Well, cards that always treath themselves as a monster with another name are terrible, but cards that do so on field or GY are awesome
I like the subtle switches between your "Professional TH-camr" tone and your more casual tone. It's nice to hear you break character a little when talking about garbage cards. Keep at it!
Morphtronics are a good contender for this series
Morphtronics are at least pretty good
@@ragnaricstudios5888 but not with theit battle position changing.
Morphtronics can make trun 1 Quasar. Granted you need a lot of luck and outside support but can happen. Even then only a handful of Morphtronic cards are even used in their own archetype at all.
@@dracometeors3010 to quote a famous Train enthusiast, morpthronics are either in the “face-up attack” position, or in the „un-sleeved in the binder” position
@@belafeldbusch3397 foolish of you to think i do not watch all Rata Videos everyday.
Monsters that needed to be flip summoned specifically to use its effects. I cannot tell you how many times I had a monster flipped by battle and forgot I had to flip summon it
every Super-Heavy Samurai: So we're a joke to you.... >.
Nah! They are Mother Spider food.
A good Superheavy Samurai would win the Duel before Mother Spider can be Summoned.
@@seelkamoon4481 I mean, you still need to have sent an insect to the graveyard, and that’s assuming the opponent ONLY has 2 superheavy samurai in defense position on the field (and hasn’t already won) and like 0 links (which they would have needed in MR4) or just a third beat-stick on the field. But yeah, if everything goes right in that situation mother spider can be useful. Wait, are superheavy samurai even remotely meta? Because unless they see a good amount (or really a lot) of play, mother spider still isn’t really worth it. You need at least an insect deck capable of consistently sending at least 1 card to the grave yard during your turn (so it can’t just be slapped in any deck), and its not like you know what deck every opponent you face will have beforehand.
@@vullord666 Considering a deck with Mother Spider in it would also have cards like Windstorm of Etaqua and Enemy Controller, which don't specifically switch to Defense Position but simply straight up _switch battle position,_ Superheavy Samurai would not be having a fun day when trying to attack. "BOOM! Suddenly you're in Attack Position, so you're weak as shit and your attack isn't negated!"
I think the objective of this is to sneak past your opponent's possible negates with effects that seem innocuous at first and then become cumbersome after you let too much go. Like, Reigeki? I'm going to try to negate that. But earthquake? I guess I'll just wait until my turn to put them in attack mode....aaaaaand they're gone. Usually you just keep like 1 or 2 board wipes, but these change defense position cards are common, easy to play and get off.
5:54 including the fact that Vaskii Is a better mom.
Reptilliannes' mom has got it going on... 🎵
wait, I just realized you could splash mother spider into digital bugs as a tech option. Not an amazing tech option, but given that your opponents monsters usually get changed to defense position anyway and it's an insect deck, it could be pretty strong.
Gemini Monsters was a interesting idea and could fit with this series. It was a nice idea but they just could not keep up and some effects were not that good.
This new format seems neat! I'd love to see you keep it up!
Maybe another idea could be gemini?
Congrats
@@zad_rasera wow I forgot I made this comment lmao
Cool idea! "R-Genex Accelerator" fits for this series (allows you to special summon Genex monsters that are added from your deck to your hand), it was released along with a bunch of situational searchers, with some good support it would've been a sick mechanic.
That feeling when I have Mother spider in hand and the opponent playing Superheavy samurai
You know, I think if this becomes a series it would actually help explain why certain mechanics aren't inherently good for people who don't understand them.
Convulsions of nature is my favorite card. It's also sadly a good candidate for a failed mechanic, even though it was probably always meant to be a one-off niche thing.
Attack/defense point de/buffs are a bit broad but they might also qualify, it's only really crazy ones that really ever see play.
Apparently links made columns more relevant, but they used to qualify and outside of a few archetypes might still.
I think a lot of counter based strategies might qualify as well maybe?
I kinda like Convulsion of Nature too, and i like Archfiend's Oath. I wonder if they could work together?
@@gustavoneridesouza120 They work amazingly well together. It's a 1000 lp free draw (or mill if you want). It's like one of the best combos with CoN, next to other cards that need you to know what the top deck is
I like hearing about rarely used cards, or ones I've never heard of.
Face up defense is a condition that cannot be met now. Every face up defense is gone in 1 turn.
The quality has really improved! Good Show!
I know this probably won't be a heavily requested video, but I'd love for you to do one on Cyber Angels, especially talking about the contrast between them in the TCG and in Duel Links
The duel logs made a video about himself, i liked this vlog a lot
Mother Spider is a funny tech in a theoretical insect deck because of how people are playing around lightning storm
I think the Spider Archtype is all about intimidation as spiders are known to be incredibly scary for a variety of reasons despite being small.
Spiders and Beetles felt like a failed attempt to reinvent Insects as Clown Control 2.0, 10 years of power creep too late.
The modern design of Insects as Synchro spam would have been much more appropriate and probably successful, like how Inzektors being a powerful Xyz archetype in an Xyz era led to so much success for them and for the Insect-type they represent.
Honestly, Insects still have "defense position matters" as their type's main gimmick. Digital Bugs have it, all "Spiders" have it, Cicada King uses it, Battlewasp use it to an extent, Krawlers are Flip (and thus Defense) focused.
@@Zakading However, Battlewasps also have Synchro spam and their own Crystal Wing-type boss monster in Hama who becomes a Cyber Twin Dragon on steroids if you use a Synchro Monster as one of its Synchro Materials.
@@autobotstarscream765 Yeah, definitely they got a lot of their own stuff. I just meant to say that the "defense position matters" theme did stay somewhat consistent throughout insect design
Ah yes. Gemini summoning. The most failed thing konami ever did.
In my head cannon everything you reference from Duel Links for Mother Spider is just talking about all the decks you've personally tried to make the card work in. It's like your spirit animal at this point I think.
it's literally the only time I see mother spider got played. Tbf I don't play DL that much.
Oh, and as far as failed mechanics and cards, I know LV was technically an archetype, but it really felt more like a half baked mechanic. Geminis might be too much of a thing to go into, as well, and a small number did actually see play (Giga Plant, Il Blud, Neos Alius).
How about minor Atk/Def gain and loss Spell and Traps? Like the old field spells (Sogen, Wasteland, etc), the old Type and Attribute equips (Power of Kaishin, Dragon Treasure, Steel Shell, etc), as well as the old cards like Castle Walls, Snake Fangs, etc?
Or Reverse Trap
I feel like I should suggest my boy Guardian Sphynx
I love that you finally decided to showcase your Mother. Great video bud
I had an idea. What about top 10 Machine Duplication targets? I don't think you're done it before, and there's definitely some good ones, like the Cyber Dragon one, Ancient Gear Gadget, some archetypes like Genex, Deskbots, Morphtronics, and I think Gimmick Puppets have good targets, Troop Dupe Scoop used to be a thing, and you did have that Woodborg Impachi build that once.
This was great, shows your depth of knowledge by being able to cross compare cards vs the rest or the meta at the time. Would love some more!
This card reminds me a lot of the Digital Bug series, bugs who have effects to abuse defense position! Regardless of whether it would be a comparison to this it would be interesting to see them covered here in one way or another
The "Dark Diviner" has always been one of my favorite monsters; so much so, When I ask someone for a "Dark Bug" to help make a RL Deck, the Guy crumbled it up and tossed it on the ground... AND I still used it! Won some games with it too! It really makes me mad that DD is in the Code for Duel Links, but not Available to own; Despite there being many decks that either Pop monsters or can bounce them in DL right now... It's a Fun card; but it would be terrible to use now-a-days
I do kind of wish that the Dark Synchro's could have been released like they were in the animé, but I suppose that would have been another niche summoning method, based on an already existing one.
I do not know how you came out with these unconventional ideas, but I love them.
...Mother Spider is a +2, isn't it? It sends 2 cards your opponent controls to the GY, while getting rid of none of yours (it transitions from hand to field, which has no bearing on advantage). That nitpick aside, I liked the video
One card mechanic you could talk about is the level monsters that came out in the early days. I’m sure some of them were playable but that whole mechanic felt super underutilized to me
Waiting for the day for an exclusive video for War Rocks....
Really enjoyed the video. I hope you end up making more of these
I can't help but be reminded of Vanguard, and the insect Megacolony clan. Since the beginning of the game, their mechanic of resting your opponents monsters so they can't attack was by many seen as just weaker version of straight up destroying them, so they eventually started to give them effects that just messed up all your opponents resources and gave you lots of draws if your opponents monsters were rested. They really had to get some major buffs for any of the builds to be even semi-decent
Duel logs: “defence mechanics are just worse floodgates or destruction”
Ghostricks: “am I a joke to you”
The way I would fix Mother Spider is by changing the effect to this: You can banish up to 2 other insect monster(s) in your GY (min 1): Tribute Defense Position monsters your opponent controls up to the amount banished by this effect; then Special Summon this card from your hand or GY. You can only activate the effect of "Mother Spider" once per turn.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Oh boy I'll wait with passion for the Toon episode (or aromas, I also would like to see those here)
Crystal beasts
The little neo spacians
They're both failed mechanic and they have some potential but they're not good rn
The next mechanism in neo spacians is a failed one
That's an awesome series concept. Look forward to more.
I like the theme for this one. Maybe on your next custom card stream you could do cards with powerful effects but incredibly difficult activation conditions, heavy restrictions, or both.
I loved this video idea! Please make more of them!!
Honestly these videos are so good to have playing while i work out
This is a great idea for the series
PD. i cant wait to watch the Geminis or LV monsters
I feel like the spiders have potential but it needs to catch up with the times
Top ten cards with ridiculous censorship to their card art
Alector, sovereign of birds would fit well into this. It’s a example of what happens when you have a spell speed one negate.
need insect hand trap that's part of an archetype that's like 'discard this card (quick effect): switch two face-up monsters to defense position.' and has graveyard effect that can search out something (preferably can lead to searching out mother spider.)
I like this idea, going through unique styles that never picked up
Definitely agree with some of the other Comments. This is definitely a series that can address topics that players have not been or would have thought of
Keep this format up I like it
Huh, I didn't expect a face reveal in a main video this soon.
I love this dude’s videos.
This is really interesting as a series. You can take a look at why gemini and union mechanics are not good either
What about those cards that don't see play because they did not work or behave in the manner we thought they would based on how they were written? Like E Hero Rampart blaster for example.
Maybe look at cards that were introduced a long time ago that focused entirely around columns? Yajiro invader, Alien infiltrator, Column Switch, etc
True. I thought they would see some play with the arrival of links?
Wait! I thought this was Duel logs! This like Seto explaining Kaibaman.
Duel logs: mentions duel links
Me: dude, you weren't supposed to leak the Krawler Plaguespreader synchro into mother spider combo
When the villain says villains sucks to eliminate any suspicion around himself
I love this concept, but also find it funny how before Links were released, you could’ve done a video on the column mechanic.
I miss defense mode. I want a hand trap that is like, when your opponent special summons a monster(s), discard this card from your hand: Change as many of them as possible to defense position, then during the end phase, destroy all monsters in attack position, your opponent controls.
So basically a big version of Sphere Kuriboh?
@@belafeldbusch3397 well power crept. But sphere kuriboh and this could be in a spider kind of deck
I enjoyed it, insects are weird and not too great.
Also have you done “cards that took the longest to release in the tcg”?
Would love a series of this!!!
However overdone they are, I always enjoy seeing geminis talked about as a failed mechanic! I could also see the early days of ritual summoning for this series, alongside stuff like win condition cards, perhaps the bleed type effect most commonly present in things like the vampire archetype. I think those could all be interesting topics for this type of video.
Years ago I made a spider deck, and Level Limit Area B was insanely good in the deck. Actually did quite well with it for a good while before XYZ monsters came out, and Level Limit couldn't fully protect my board since it didn't work on ranks. Was a fun gimmicky deck to bring out when playing with friends.
So, something to note about how youtube renders videos. If you have a very movement-heavy and detailed/line-heavy background, it makes it impossible for us with a slow connection speed to see anything but pixels. Please avoid the zoom-y or detail-heavy fast-moving backgrounds and it'll make this series a whole lot more watch-able for slow-internet-folks.
What about the princesses curan and ebon? I think those could be an interesting video.
Spell counters
unless working for no more than two or three cards is still enough to be exempt from qualifying for this series
I feel like this video is a criticism on non meta duel links really tho. I play reptialliane deck on duel inks rarely and it never does crazy but it’s occasionally decent
That most obvious targets are the Chain Link cards from Cyberdark Impact, and if we allow super-tiny archetypes, the Part Golem, Iron Chain and Maliceovorus cards.
Ohhhhhhhh I love the idea of this. Mechanics and short history.
Honestly I’d like to see more spider support. It was basically half baked when they introduced it originally, but with the power level of modern yugioh, a powered up version of the spiders could be really interesting.
A lot of the flavor is monsters going in defense can be seen via them getting trapped in spider web, they could introduce mechanics that would negate defense position monsters or maybe outright prevent the monster from being used as material for ED summons. Maybe expand some of the effects to even affect set monsters and have spiders themselves unaffected by position changing affects to further emphasize the idea.
Some of the monsters could work like Mother Spider, just not as restrictive i.e. only with insects in grave.