32: Captain Robert Nairac

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  • @jackwild8019
    @jackwild8019 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    He was the great enigma of the Troubles., I once drank in that pub near Forkhill where Nairac disappeared, and I can image what it must have been like for a British soldier in a pub in south Armagh. Nairac made one big mistake in that he went to that pub on consecutive nights , so he may have been noticed on Friday night and then returned on Saturday night 🌙. He was on an adrenaline high but he paid a terrible price and may have had a death wish. People like him sometimes can't take the ennui of civilian life, just like Blair Mayne who returned to Newtownards after the war and engaged in reckless behaviour in civilian life. But Nairac was a mystery, we will never know his motives or whether he was there that night of the Miami showband massacre. And his disappearance will always be an enduring mystery ☮️

    • @kevinwhelan9607
      @kevinwhelan9607 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nothing remotely "mysterious" about his disappearance. What did for Nairac was a story as old as time: hubris.

    • @kevinwhelan9607
      @kevinwhelan9607 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Otherwise your analysis was excellent- much of it was new to me. Anyone, like me, who has experience of the English public school system, will recognize Nairac as a familiar type as such schools inculcate in one an extraordinary self-confidence and others lock in on that, are impressed, and often willing to follow such individuals. It's no accident that the majority of British Army officers are ex-public school.

    • @liverpoolscottish6430
      @liverpoolscottish6430 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He had nothing to do with the Miami Showband massacre. The physical description of the 'English' officer did not match that of Nairac. I have met and spoken to an ex-14 INT soldier who knew Bob Nairac well, he scoffed at the idea that he was in anyway associated with murders.

    • @gerard1965able
      @gerard1965able 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@liverpoolscottish6430 H Jones.

    • @ColetteFearon-fy6jz
      @ColetteFearon-fy6jz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kevinwhelan9607😅

  • @robertknight5429
    @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    First warning sign was when he declined to leave Ireland after his first tour. A classic case of the messianic colonial officer. Like Lawrence, or the fictional Col Kurtz.

    • @olliephelan
      @olliephelan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Im not sure ?.
      I reckon there was hundreds that kept going back every year.
      Apparently thats very common in war.
      Most didnt want to go back to N.I because they found it too disturbing and confusing.
      As far as they were concerned they were in the United Kingdom and these were British citizens.
      Armagh (or Antrim) was where Paddy Maine (first SAS legend in WW2) grew up.
      Maybe he wanted to out-do him in his own birthplace ?
      Paddy Maine would have grown up reading (or watching) the War of Independence and how effective the IRA were.
      I wouldnt be surprised that is why he helped create a unit to used hit and run, sabotage and assassination.
      So, here was Nairac, who worked with the SAS playing super soldier in Paddy Maines country, with an enemy who Maine never got to fight.
      So, you mentioned TE Lawrence, Kurtz.
      Id add Paddy Maine.
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      There was a german writer who was wounded 11 times in WW1.
      He didnt need to go back after the first wound. He couldve stayed at home.
      He returned to the trenches 12 times.
      His explanation was "I never saw anything so awesome and terrifying"

  • @anneliamohara2842
    @anneliamohara2842 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very good podcast , thanks .

  • @gerardhenry5501
    @gerardhenry5501 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    A stranger stands out in pubs and places along thd border .

    • @TonyM540
      @TonyM540 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      A stranger stands out in any pub in Ireland.

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He wasnt bothered. He was a geezer.

    • @gerardhenry5501
      @gerardhenry5501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CARLIN4737 was he a proper geezer

  • @seamus9750
    @seamus9750 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant detail 👌

  • @dondouglass6415
    @dondouglass6415 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    A very sad story that should be a lesson to all..

    • @jamesbradshaw3389
      @jamesbradshaw3389 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, very few lessons are learned and taken note of during brutal cruel and savage invasions and wars, mostly the worst things happen at those times, it is only later the great crimes and injustices that soldiers commit during wars attack their minds in the dead of night

    • @dominicseanmccann6300
      @dominicseanmccann6300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, don't go drinking in border pubs if you are a 'spy'. Remember it well; was 10. 1977 not the 80s as mentioned. Wasn't even the 'real' IRA. One was a new member, the others 'sympathisers'. The local unit had apparently been tracking his movements & weren't best pleased when he was lifted. Glad those days are gone.

  • @maryjoclarke3165
    @maryjoclarke3165 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you

  • @klawlor3659
    @klawlor3659 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good channel pal, subscribed!

  • @RussellJamesStevens
    @RussellJamesStevens 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You can bet the Irish army and G2 knew about Captain Nairac's erratic antics which were getting out of hand and maybe, just maybe, decided that he should be "stood down".

    • @dominicseanmccann6300
      @dominicseanmccann6300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Indeed; the local unit were tracking him as well. Looking for who he interacted with. My uncle was G2 IDF.although he wouldn't tell me about it, or anything else if I asked.

  • @MR-mc6rj
    @MR-mc6rj 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    People read too much into it. Nairac believed his own hype. He was extremely arrogant and he looked upon the people in rural South Armagh as muck savages. To him the idea that those people could be smarter than him never entered his head.You don't have to like your enemy but you do have to respect them. When the Brits give up their ghosts the IRA will give up theirs. His own side disowned him because they didn't want to give the IRA the win . Dirty war indeed.

    • @noellambe5845
      @noellambe5845 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the ghost of macbeth indeed,

    • @MrTracker614
      @MrTracker614 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He was real Chancer, and Lone wolf. Massive risk taker. Oxford boxing Blue holder. There were numerous times he put himself in dangerous situations, unnecessarily of course.

    • @stephensmith4480
      @stephensmith4480 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrTracker614 Believe it or not, before he joined The British Army, he Boxed against a young Martin Meehan in an amateur match.

  • @Constitutionalist52
    @Constitutionalist52 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Every stranger entering any pub in Northern Ireland during the Troubles was suspect until vouched for especially in the very clannish rural areas where everyone knew each other, you can be sure as soon as Nairac showed his face someone would have been making the relevant inquiries as to who the f he was . The intelligence system in nationalist areas was like overlapping spider webs right across the country and if you were in any place you shouldn’t have been you’d be sussed out , to underestimate the risks would be deadly as we see with Nairac .
    Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly.
    Hopefully our Troubles are far behind us as they were awful times for everyone 🙏

  • @MrCOUNTYCORK
    @MrCOUNTYCORK 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    When you go into republican areas they know everyone, it was stupid of him to underestimate the local people as they would know if you were genuine in no time, not to mention nairac was involved in very bad actions in the North of Ireland some say including the miami showband massacre, Dublin and monaghan bombings

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He thought he was Lawrence of Armagh!

    • @belfastorbust
      @belfastorbust 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      where is your evidence he was involved in Miami etc, just the usual republican black propaganda

    • @liverpoolscottish6430
      @liverpoolscottish6430 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Irish are GREAT story tellers. There are still Irish men who will tell you that Cromwell 'massacred' 3000 poor souls at Drogheda. That has been debunked as utter nonsense- ironically by two leading Irish historians. There is no evidence of a massacre at Drogheda, but there is a document signed by Cromwell- an order to his troops to treat the civilian population decently. He made it clear in the order that anybody guilty of abusing the civpop would be executed. The Irish aren't ones to let FACTS get in the way of a good yarn. The same is true with Nairac. I have read extensively about him, and I know an ex-14 Int soldier who knew Bob well- to the point he drank with him at the Mill. There is *NO* evidence linking Nairac to illegal murders in Northern Ireland- *NONE.* Eg The Kingsmill massacre- the description of the 'English officer' provided by one of the survivors does not physically match that of Nairac.
      Nairac was a very complex character, he loved Ireland and Irish literature- he had extensive knowledge of Ireland and he loved the place. He was a Catholic, educated at a Catholic public school. He was intelligent, brave to the point of being foolish or cavalier. He was also a romantic fool- he believed he could talk to the IRA and influence the situation in Northern Ireland. Regardless of the MYTH that he was SAS, he absolutely was NOT. He served in 14 INT and liaised with The Regt to provide them with intel. I have repeatedly read comments linking him to murders and massacres- and yet there is NO anecdotal evidence linking him to any such acts- it just suits the Republican cause to label him a 'wrong un.' In my view, Nairac was very naive, with romantic ideas about being able to have a direct impact on The Troubles, his actions were rather amateurish- especially standing up in a republican pub and singing, 'Danny Boy' with the live band. The guy I knew from 14 INT firmly believed that Bob Nairac was NOT involved in murders, he said it completely went the nature of his character- he wanted to prevent murder and violence- not pour petrol on the bonfire, or risk destroying his own career by criminal activity.

  • @Solanis
    @Solanis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Couple of oddities regarding ranks: A Sergeant (a non-commissioned officer, six ranks below a Captain) would not be the commanding officer of a Captain [22:30]. There's no rank in the British Army of "Colonel Major" [22:33], Clive Fairweather was a Major at the time of Nairac's death though he retired as a Colonel.

  • @robertknight5429
    @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A friend of H Jones at one time. Another of the British army's brave but mental brigade.

    • @jimritchie4021
      @jimritchie4021 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We would have followed H and sgt.mckay into battle as many did.H led from the front the way he trained us I wish he could go the way they did instead of this slow torture bits of me packing up they took my guns away in case I used them they took my driving license because of my mental health but I would never have used a vehicle for that too much chance of injuring others anyway god rest them folk have forgot about the Falklands and Ireland WW2 and the first war are well remembered as they should be I lost family in both world wars but we are about to send troops to the Middle East and the war in Ukraine will need boots on the ground some of our boys are there now in the international brigade it’s our training it’s our indoctrination we miss the possibility of using our skills to kill to overcome to kill to defeat

  • @olliephelan
    @olliephelan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If its true that he was a maverick, reckless , in 14 INT and SAS/UDR liason officer, then he knew too much to allowed behave the way he did. If he was exhausted etc and should be pulled out , then he was a serious liability to the Brits .
    He was expendable too (as they all were).
    I dont believe it would have been his decision to reject an SAS protection, or Sherwood Forrester support. That couldnt possibly be his call.
    If you consider the "two corporals" impossibly ending up skidding around in Miltown at the most high profile funeral since Bobby Sands and how nothing adds up (especially the excuses that they were lost , or "sightseeing" ) , then its very plausible that they had used up their value, become a liability and were either set up , or allowed to go to their own deaths.
    Id suggest that the Brits likely debated if he should either go home or meet with an accident.
    The story of "two corporals" in Miltown makes no sense in any other way.
    It raises more questions than answers.
    IMO finding out who he was and what he knew was far more important than killing him.
    If his story didnt add up and was suspicious, theyd have waited longer and and even befriended him.
    If they beat him and shot him, then they knew he was BA.
    If he was BA alone in Crossmaglen, then he was more than just BA , and by killing him so quickly, the IRA either fucked up, or someone told the IRA who he really was.
    I believe that like the two corporals (also SigInt linked to SAS /agents ) and Nairac were either allowed to go to their deaths or sacrificed. ; Internal house cleaning.
    [ I picture him as the type whod have written several paperbacks , if hed lived; an Ant Middleton ]

    • @Flyingscotsman93
      @Flyingscotsman93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      His good looks got him killed as he had an eye for the lady's only this lady pumped him (giggity)for info then told the local Asu who he was .

  • @attract1234
    @attract1234 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He was Narcissist, most people spotted these plan clothes under cover, they posed as window cleaners, or drunks lying outside bars, Some acted as reporters..

    • @gerardhenry5501
      @gerardhenry5501 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was 1976 the troubles were just a few years old and the British intel machine was rusty but they learnt from this

  • @jimritchie4021
    @jimritchie4021 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He was taken out to sea in a fishing boat weighted down with heavy chain and concrete blocs then dropped Ito the sea May god rest him

  • @desmondhull5778
    @desmondhull5778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Captain Nairac was a Roman Catholic ,going by the records he asked for a priest for the last rites before he was murdered.Strange old world.

    • @jamesbradshaw3389
      @jamesbradshaw3389 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Even as a brutal invader I hope and pray that he received a priest and was forgiven for his sins

    • @desmondhull5778
      @desmondhull5778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@jamesbradshaw3389 Your hatered says everything about you,shame on you.

    • @franmcgirr4551
      @franmcgirr4551 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nairac may have been a Catholic but it was a British Catholic

    • @desmondhull5778
      @desmondhull5778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamesbradshaw3389 I thought a Roman Catholic was a Roman Catholic they believe in the one Pope,right.A devout God fearing Roman Catholic wouldnt take a life.Its against the churches teaching,which I agree with.

    • @desmondhull5778
      @desmondhull5778 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jamesbradshaw3389 He asked for the last rites not confession theres a difference.

  • @jeffmee763
    @jeffmee763 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He is I think in a wood near a road not in a field time will prove it to be.

  • @friotaiocht101
    @friotaiocht101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't know if I remember the story but if I'm not mistaken wasn't Nairac using the name of an ex-IRA man who had been killed some years earlier they checked out the name he was using & that's how they discovered he was lying... correct me if I'm wrong here...

    • @dominicseanmccann6300
      @dominicseanmccann6300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If I remember right he was passing himself off as a 'stickie'; a member of the (so called) 'Official IRA, using the name McErlean. Rather him than me; hubris must've been his middle name.

    • @friotaiocht101
      @friotaiocht101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dominicseanmccann6300 Interesting I thought as much...

  • @derry1423
    @derry1423 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This SAS man will never be found never

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      He wasn't in the SAS.

    • @derry1423
      @derry1423 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertknight5429 aye

    • @Flyingscotsman93
      @Flyingscotsman93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Rumours abound I heard he ended up through a mincer ,then again being near the republic he's maybe south of the border buried near shergar .

    • @PatTigue
      @PatTigue 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Flyingscotsman93he no thurabred only a donkey lik tatchers

    • @Leslie-t1i
      @Leslie-t1i 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your ego...i will pray for you.

  • @irene-jb7jc
    @irene-jb7jc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He should have been a milliner 😂 All them hats under his bed 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @robertknight5429
    @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The photo says it all, look at the faces.

    • @Flyingscotsman93
      @Flyingscotsman93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah the kids faces say it all they look spellbound not scared and that's not south armagh that's more like a city street in Belfast ,we don't know if the kids are from a nationalist area or loyalist but I see no hatred ,can you see it different mate .

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Flyingscotsman93 they look like they have him sussed. And he looks like a cocky pillock who thinks he's Lawrence of Arabia

  • @stevekells7283
    @stevekells7283 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Miami showband.....

  • @heartofjesusdj
    @heartofjesusdj 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    His father was Mauritian, aha, that’s why he looked like an Asian or Polynesian.

  • @brainbaskerville3341
    @brainbaskerville3341 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any solder who gos to northern ireland has to have some sort of bravery

    • @TheHobade
      @TheHobade 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the word isn't bravery, more insanity. He was clearly a narcissistic sociopath, and in a small place like South Armagh, his antics were eventually going to catch up with him. Moron!

  • @Damiansweldingshortz
    @Damiansweldingshortz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Miami show band massacre saga , absolutely stinks from top to bottom , it can’t be denied it was a blatant violation and a war crime at its worst , embarrassing look. for us British people

  • @QueenMaeve2024
    @QueenMaeve2024 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Paid a terrible price for naivety

  • @Flyingscotsman93
    @Flyingscotsman93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He looks like a typical British army officer charismatic,bold looks like he had a spell over these kids ,sadly these traits count for nothing if your not known in a republican area or loyalist that still stands to this day.A bit like the two corporals murders should never have been in the area on his own .

    • @GaryHynes-io9yz
      @GaryHynes-io9yz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Born in maritaus raised Catholic...oh yeah real British...

    • @Flyingscotsman93
      @Flyingscotsman93 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@GaryHynes-io9yz What about the all the lads from the republic in the irish guards they take an oath to the monarch and the defender of the faith 😂.Or the gurkha regiments plus many others in the commonwealth who fight for the flag you see to your left 👈 😂.

  • @davidharris3185
    @davidharris3185 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This guy was a hater of the irish

  • @frankiegeorge8576
    @frankiegeorge8576 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ya reap wat u sow

  • @JohnZokas-hf3qw
    @JohnZokas-hf3qw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Braver than any of the ratten of terror

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He WAS the "ratten of terror." The British Army!

    • @jamesbradshaw3389
      @jamesbradshaw3389 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You know nothing so don't speak

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jamesbradshaw3389 heard of free speech son?

    • @dominicseanmccann6300
      @dominicseanmccann6300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertknight5429 Quite right; everyone has the 'god' given right to talk 'shite'! 😁

  • @patmcmahon-sz2rz
    @patmcmahon-sz2rz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    😢if u check under the tree beside the forge at ballybin

  •  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You're mixed up in your timelines. Check more in your podcasts or loose credibility.

    • @troublespodcast
      @troublespodcast  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Or tell me what the problem is and I can fix it. One person operation here, with a podcast reporting thousands of dates, times, locations. There will be mistakes

    • @owencampbell8799
      @owencampbell8799 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your credibility isn’t great when you can’t spell lose.

  • @anthonyosullivan2626
    @anthonyosullivan2626 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    he be still alive if they stayed in there own country what did he expect drinking in cross pub i lived through the troubles he will never be found 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

  • @williamsteele1409
    @williamsteele1409 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    hes minced meat first,then fed to pigs does that make the pigs cannibals

    • @victornewman9904
      @victornewman9904 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was processed in that Donegal meat-rendeting plant that turned over 200 "disappeared" people into meat products.

    • @haydoncooper3744
      @haydoncooper3744 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And you would know.

    • @robertknight5429
      @robertknight5429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@haydoncooper3744 a tin was sent to Hereford, with "bon appetite" on it

    • @John316OBrian-cm4fj
      @John316OBrian-cm4fj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@robertknight5429Nirac stew

    • @haydoncooper3744
      @haydoncooper3744 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@desmondhull5778 Sounds like a threat!

  • @jamesbradshaw3389
    @jamesbradshaw3389 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The brutal, thieving invading British army and their government only made some short-term gains because of their weapons and savage attacks on innocent and unarmed people but they could not outsmart the people of Ireland. The British savage and lawless behavior brought nothing but trouble, deep sorry, famine, sadness, loss of homes and lives, also great anger from the people of Ireland also from people all over the world, The British also brought great sadness to the families of their lost soldiers. Because of the stupidity and false superior behavior of some British people in power, they did not realise and did not care that were attacking their dearest and nearest neighbor, their cousins who came to their rescue many times in their hours of need. It has taken the English/British governments and their armies hundreds of years to learn that could not defeat the Irish and to their cost many other countries that they invaded and trampled on, looked and learned from the Irish rebellion and then began to stand up strong and take back their own countries, India & Tanzania to name just a few. It is only a matter of a few years when the dream wishes and hopes of Ireland people for over 800 years will come true and it will become independent from its nearest and dearest.