LET THE CRITICAL COMMENTS BEGIN! Wait! Let me save you the scroll down. "Jack is lost" "Steve is stiff" " I wish Smith ( or DeJohnette ) would let the other ... " I hate drums solos!" RANDOM GOSPEL CHOPS COMMENT . " I have played drums for 30 years and..." Buddy Rich comment. Ok you can look up your cat videos now
"I don't get it, therefore, after half-listening for a minute, I'll tell you all what these artists are doing wrong and why (Chad Smith/Buddy Rich/Neil Peart) is better". "This sucks because it isn't what I wanted". "mmmmmmmtechniquerrrrrrrtechniqueumumumumumumutechnique". "I could play this in my sleep".
So, you're saying this was good? I get it, opinions and subjectivity, yadda yadda....that duet could have been legendary, instead it was so one dimensional and bland.
This is actually really interesting. Jack maintains a melody throughout, and Steve seems to be trying to compliment Jack's drum melody with some cymbal spice. At one point Steve throws in some ideas, and Jack seems to get a kick out of it. I can see how one might think Jack is consuming all the space, and also how Steve could follow him- which he starts to towards the end, complimenting Jack's phrase with his own type of response. Jack's drums are tuned higher though, so he has a clearer pitch. I wonder if they discussed tuning or content before they played!
I really like what Jack laid down. He stuck with it pretty consistently, he was laying a bed for Steve to play over. However, idk what Steve was thinking. It seemed like he was trying to make it into something it wasn’t. Some of what he played fit, but most of it was a stretch to my ear. Why was he trying to play beats?
If Smith had followed the simple harmonic pattern Jack played throughout, he wouldn't have got into such a mess. He got a roasting imo, just speed, which equates to noise. Jack had the last word too!
Both world class (and two of my favourite) players, but I feel this combination didn't quite work as well as it could have. Still, great footage. Thanks for uploading.
Love the way Jack just laid it down freestyle without any concern but melody. And a beautiful one at that. As we all know, Steve is a fantastic player by himself. But here? I felt he was just fumbling. I would have preferred he do something simple like play with high hat and rim clicks. It seemed as though he was thinking about the way he might perceived more than the actual music that was being created. It would’ve been far better if he just focused on the music.
Indeed. Unfortunately Steve’s playing is detrimental to the music here. Not only that but he’s all over the place with time and phrasing and note placement. My thought was exactly as yours. I would have just played the hi-hat and let Jack do his thing until maybe it could evolve into something else. That would serve the music and not anyone’s ego. This is a great lesson for new and old musicians alike. Play for the music and not for your ego self.
Smith non-existent! The genius of Jack kill him with a very old African melodic ostinato idea!! It's normal: since many years Jack is on the Olympus of the goods!!
Wow. So DeJohnette starts with a 16 stroke linear pattern that sounds pretty cool. Smith with his jaz/fusion chops just ain't feeling it so decides to play what he wants anyway. Further, DeJohnette was screwing up his timing once he tried to add fills. I have to assume he had just made up this pattern on the spot. This is proof that even the best of the best are just normal people too.
You should check out the melodic phrasing of Jack's playing. He just created this on the spot. I was a part this week long drum camp, featuring Steve Smith and Zakir Hussain back in July, 2014. Jack just walked in started this melodic phrasing.
WTF is this racket?!?! Who are these two old geezers?! Are they challenged or something?!?! Awful...truly awful...Had to shut it off before i screamed!!
Really?...two of the best in the business... Amazing improv here...Go check some of their other stuff. Look up Steve Smith playing Night in Tunisia. Or Jack D's PASIC solo.
The drummers of the world know. They hear, and they see. but PAPADOO not only doesn't know, and doesn't hear, he thinks they're challenged geezers. I love it when someone who doesn't know, and doesn't know that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, decides to announce it to the world like he just discovered something important. Brightened my day!
Melody is always heard in Jack's drum solo.
LET THE CRITICAL COMMENTS BEGIN! Wait! Let me save you the scroll down. "Jack is lost" "Steve is stiff" " I wish Smith ( or DeJohnette ) would let the other ... " I hate drums solos!" RANDOM GOSPEL CHOPS COMMENT . " I have played drums for 30 years and..." Buddy Rich comment. Ok you can look up your cat videos now
"I don't get it, therefore, after half-listening for a minute, I'll tell you all what these artists are doing wrong and why (Chad Smith/Buddy Rich/Neil Peart) is better". "This sucks because it isn't what I wanted". "mmmmmmmtechniquerrrrrrrtechniqueumumumumumumutechnique". "I could play this in my sleep".
So, you're saying this was good?
I get it, opinions and subjectivity, yadda yadda....that duet could have been legendary, instead it was so one dimensional and bland.
@@chrisw3421 i waited 2 years for your reply Chris FINALLY I can die now
@@odaydrums be my guest!
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@@chrisw3421 🤣
Love Jack here, as always. Such a cool idea HE has
Can’t keep my eyes off jack, a master class right there
This is actually really interesting. Jack maintains a melody throughout, and Steve seems to be trying to compliment Jack's drum melody with some cymbal spice. At one point Steve throws in some ideas, and Jack seems to get a kick out of it. I can see how one might think Jack is consuming all the space, and also how Steve could follow him- which he starts to towards the end, complimenting Jack's phrase with his own type of response. Jack's drums are tuned higher though, so he has a clearer pitch. I wonder if they discussed tuning or content before they played!
I really like what Jack laid down. He stuck with it pretty consistently, he was laying a bed for Steve to play over. However, idk what Steve was thinking. It seemed like he was trying to make it into something it wasn’t. Some of what he played fit, but most of it was a stretch to my ear. Why was he trying to play beats?
Jack DeJohnette was clearly the leader in this exchange. Smith was groping, while Jack established the musical direction.
+Chameleon Stance Ya because he won't shut the f up and leave some space for someone with 100 times the chops play his drums.
you dudes have no clue about drumming
ZUKAR STONED steve was holding back so as not to step on or out play jack, it was a respect thing
If Smith had followed the simple harmonic pattern Jack played throughout, he wouldn't have got into such a mess. He got a roasting imo, just speed, which equates to noise. Jack had the last word too!
Beautiful stuff
God bless,both!!! Jack=Fav!
Both world class (and two of my favourite) players, but I feel this combination didn't quite work as well as it could have. Still, great footage. Thanks for uploading.
I was there witnessing these two create magic
Es increíble ver como Smith se ve en problemas para responder a la simpleza .
Love the way Jack just laid it down freestyle without any concern but melody. And a beautiful one at that. As we all know, Steve is a fantastic player by himself. But here? I felt he was just fumbling. I would have preferred he do something simple like play with high hat and rim clicks. It seemed as though he was thinking about the way he might perceived more than the actual music that was being created. It would’ve been far better if he just focused on the music.
Indeed. Unfortunately Steve’s playing is detrimental to the music here. Not only that but he’s all over the place with time and phrasing and note placement. My thought was exactly as yours. I would have just played the hi-hat and let Jack do his thing until maybe it could evolve into something else. That would serve the music and not anyone’s ego. This is a great lesson for new and old musicians alike. Play for the music and not for your ego self.
There is a musician playing drum and a drummer playing drum
Smith non-existent! The genius of Jack kill him with a very old African melodic ostinato idea!! It's normal: since many years Jack is on the Olympus of the goods!!
Wow. So DeJohnette starts with a 16 stroke linear pattern that sounds pretty cool. Smith with his jaz/fusion chops just ain't feeling it so decides to play what he wants anyway. Further, DeJohnette was screwing up his timing once he tried to add fills. I have to assume he had just made up this pattern on the spot. This is proof that even the best of the best are just normal people too.
less is more
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Mmmmmmmmmm i don’t know Rick
That could've been WAY better, really disappointing.
Ya get what ya pay for
Let's be honest that was terrible and I love Steve Smith !!
Stop jack
C'est chiant !
Steve is on a way higher level than jack. i think Steve was getting bored. lol
damm jack is annoying.
Adan vald Contreras ju
Adan vald Contreras Who cares? Nothing is more annoying than a drummer who cannot humble himself to the music being played.
You should check out the melodic phrasing of Jack's playing. He just created this on the spot. I was a part this week long drum camp, featuring Steve Smith and Zakir Hussain back in July, 2014. Jack just walked in started this melodic phrasing.
WTF is this racket?!?! Who are these two old geezers?! Are they challenged or something?!?! Awful...truly awful...Had to shut it off before i screamed!!
Really?...two of the best in the business... Amazing improv here...Go check some of their other stuff. Look up Steve Smith playing Night in Tunisia. Or Jack D's PASIC solo.
Just Wikipedia Jack's playing credits.
The drummers of the world know. They hear, and they see. but PAPADOO not only doesn't know, and doesn't hear, he thinks they're challenged geezers. I love it when someone who doesn't know, and doesn't know that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, decides to announce it to the world like he just discovered something important. Brightened my day!
@@mortcola I was obviously joking you dumbass! But hey, at least you got to use it as an opportunity to make yourself look intelligent?!! LoL 🤣
Just horrible musical result.