I knew a few guys in my home town, who are ambassadors for PNS and are doing heeps to grow the local cycling community. So for that reason i support the company. But also i love the cycling kit (yes im boring)
I ride with PNS and i'm very satisfied. Its a bit cheaper than Maap, and the fit is way better, for me atleast. Also my Maap bibs wore out alot faster than PNS.
Spot on. I always use front and rear camera/lights. I chose Cycliq as together with fittings they about 300g to the bike and have all the features you need - including a nice overlay system on recordings showing where 1.5m is in regard to the centre of the bike. Add in a Garmin with radar and you have GPS location of any incident, with speed of vehicle too if needed. I must say since I have been using the light/cameras I've noticed traffic in general seems less 'aggressive'.
BTW - as of 2024, in England close passing is not specifically illegal, but there are laws that it is linked to (i.e. careless driving) that the driver can be charged with for close passing. The distance is also variable dependant on speed (1m at 20mph; 1.5m at 30mph; etc.)
we need more people riding with cameras for sure. it truly makes it safer for everyone. I personally have been cycling for less than half a year and I ride with a GoPro mounted on my seatpost :)
I once tested Le Col's original foul weather jersey by going out in a storm. The weather was so bad that when I met my dad at the cafe halfway, the cast iron chairs outside were getting blown over in the gale force winds and my dad turned to me to say 'think you best get a lift home, son'. Up until that point, the jersey did it's job in keeping me warm and dry.
Pas normal is very expensive. But their sale prices are decent. I have two of their escapism bibs, got them for 135€ (in stead of the normal 270€) and they're the best bibs I've ever owned. But PNS also sells simple jerseys that aren't special in any way for 200+€ so I do agree they're expensive and not exceptional if you consider the entire brand. Same goes for rapha. But there is always something on sale :)
Ive used all Rapha, MAAP and PNS along side random brands here and there. The MAAP bibs seems to wear super quickly compared to the PNS / Rapha ...especially on the contact points to the saddle. PNS bibs have lasted much longer and fit my body down there better (their jerseys are also alot shorter than others which dont bunch up around your tummy). So if you buy them on promotion, the cost differential is mitigated, and you get kit that fits.
I have the exact same experience, my maap bibs wore out faster than the PNS ones i swear to now. I have a newer rapha kit too, but its quality is inferior to both PNS and maap.
The price of everything in cycling has gotten outrageous, but especially the price of kit. Recently, I have taken up running. You spend $150 and you buy the Pinarello Dogma of shoes. Another $30 on some shorts and boom job done.
One thing they didn't touch on during the Pas Normal Studios segement is this; just becuase they use similar fabrics and MFG as Pas Normal doesn't mean they're the same as their own brand. Each brand is spending different amounts of time desiging the product, honing in the product development, working with the factories to dial in the fit, and quality assurance. These variables differ between each brand and their respective design teams which could mean hundreds of man-hours difference between each jersey between brands. Just because they use similar fabrics and have cross over in vendors does not make their products the same as any other brand.
I absolutely agree about the cycling press and the bias they have, I think it’s finally being talked about more and more, and more people are listening but…. And it s big but… this channel sits there’s and shits on brands for their prices but ignores things like after sales/ free repairs/ grassroots sponsorship(rapha) and the big one marketing!! Yes that’s right you’re paying for them to sponsor those athletes and influencers (like Cade media) and make all that content that’s lapped up. I can’t help but laugh at these types of comments when they’re part of the very reason these products are overpriced.
Jimmy sometimes comes across as very bitter about the cycling clothing industry. I guess his experience of trying to breakthrough wirh Attacus was not a positive one. But look, premium cycling products are not purely about fabrics as he well knows - there is the design/look of the thing, the form & fit (very important), features like zippers & pockets, how well it holds together over time. For some reason these factors are all overlooked. Seems like there is a clear agenda here and honestly it's putting me off this Cade Media content which used to be good.
The twisted scheme of reviewers feeling they need the product companies, when in fact, the companies need the reviewers to make their products more widely known to larger audiences. It used to be the reviewers that dictated the terms and companies would do whatever they had to to get their products reviewed. Now, with internet advertising driving the online commercial industry, all the review sites care about is clicks and views. The product companies hold their ad contracts like a knife to the review site's throats now with threats of leaving. Video game review sites are notoriously bad at this.
At least they keep bringing new design and colour to the market and each season there is a huge discount. I think it is fair enough. Assos and Castelli make good stuff but really need to think of design and colour...
Dam I miss the videos when Francis just rode his bike. I am fair less interested in videos of people sharing their personal opinion about bike stuff. It’s not useful or entertaining enough. Unsubscribing after many years….
I run front and rear cameras on my bike, after witnessing a fellow rider get knocked off by a car, who didn’t stop, and the driver was never traced. It happened so fast that no one could remember the reg no of the car. I rarely even look at the footage, but it’s there if I need it.
Theyre great! Id say better quality than most of the brands ive worn (Rapha, Maap and Attaquer). They r very expensive however I dont buy them When theyre not on sale. I always wait for the archive to open and hoard whatever fits on my budget. Then after 6months or a year or whenever archive is open again, i sell them for about for the same price i paid for (or a bit less) and purchase another set of on sale PAS kits. U just need to wait till they go on Sale😂
i’m extremely mechanically competent, but when I moved into an apartment and started biking I was having to take my bikes into shops for repairs just because of the lack of space and tools I had. I couldn’t stand it, some shops (obviously not all) just get too cocky, some speak to you like you know nothing and some are just ridiculously overpriced for the work you’re requesting. It’s SO painful to pay someone to do something for you when you know you can do it but other factors are limiting you. Well, safe to say my living room can now convert Into a bike shop when needed 🙃
There are places where you can rent a car workshop for a day (like a small garage with tools). Maybe shops that have a hard time could do something similar during the closing hours or quiet days?
I had to laugh at the comment about Rapha being the only very premium brand. I totally get what you're saying. It's just that the current situation is so absurd with each and every brand marketing and often pricing themselves as premium. Premium has to be the most overused word these days, and has totally lost its meaning.
PAS, Assos, Biehler, MAAP Giordana or whatever other brands people consider expensive, are all somewhat affordable if you shop the archive sale. The build quality on Assos garments tend to be better than the others, even if their styling is a bit suspect. I’ve been dealing with unraveling threads on Biehler garments. MAAP graphics has gotten comically bad in the last couple of years. As for one being better than the other for function…nah. Aside from Giordana and Assos bibs being the most comfortable, I haven’t seen much difference in terms of reality aligning with the marketing hype.
There's always been an "it" brand for clothing. Assos, Rapha and now PNS. I really couldn't care less what people wear. Enjoy your kit, but it's really just a bit much. I think the cycling stories and marketing are over the top and i'll see an entire group of riders wearing all matching it with heavy branding. It's just a bit too much.
what these guys are missing about PNS kit - its just great design, great marketing, it seems it comes from people who actually ride bicycles. Sure its very expensive, but for sure there is a lot more to kit than fabrics. Good insight that it seems rapha owned that premium / enthusiast space, but maybe because change of hands rapha now seems to be just dull.
Re: cameras on bikes. I got attacked by a dog whilst riding last year and it knocked me over and the impact shattered my hip. The dog owner claimed the dog didn’t touch me, but the whole thing was recorded on my Cycliq front and my Garmin rear cameras (even though I was unconscious, I had evidence). I almost always ride alone and the camera is the only reliable evidence. I think that everyone should have one - because it encourages people on both sides to behave.
A 7/10 review in popular media usually means "we don't want to piss off the supplier, but it's total crap and don't buy it". Anything under 8/10 is usually bad to mediocre. 9/10 means it's pretty decent (standard score for good stuff) and 10/10 either means it's actually above industry standard, or heavily sponsored, like Fox forks where every review says it's the bee's knees, but the following model gets a review stating it fixed all things wrong with the previous 'perfect' model.
PNS is mostly made in Europe like some other bike brands too. Sure, it is overpriced but sadly so are bikes and bike stuff overall. Only buying PNS, POC, Café du Cycliste in sale.
I'm trying to test out as many manufacturers as possible. I've got so many different brands, and still collecting more. I haven't found, what I would define as the holy grail of cycling apparel, but it doesn't stop me from trying. Just to list off the top of my head, I've got pearl izumi, pns, rapha, specialized, universal colours, ekoi, maap, Oakley, castelli, DNA, sportful, LG, pactimo, le col, ale, dhb, assos, giordana, adidas, pedal mafia, gore cycling, Nike, black sheep, siroko, la passione, Suarez, pinarello, nopinz. I'm working on getting something from endura, and elliel soon, and continue to more brands as well. Maybe do a video on all my gear, and experiences with them. As you can see from what I've listed, I've spent a lot of money, but ultimately looking for that sweet spot, between price, appeal, comfort, and performance. The holy grail for me.
I know the former global editor-in-chief of a very well-known bike review website and he said that as most bike review websites rely on items given to the reviewers to review means that they are always going to find something good to say about the item so that they can continue to be given things to review or they will go out of business. They can't afford to buy all the items they review to review impartially. It is an undisclosed conflict of interest. He's moved on from that job.
I don't own any PNS kit. Too expensive for me. But i do appreciate their apparrel. Great colorways and quite minimal, streamlined branding. Their founder also started Wood Wood, a danish "fashion" brand. So i guess they want to market PNS as semi-luxury sportswear. Can't get over their PNS logo though. Or the weird "Mechanism" type on the butt. With that said. Many times there are a difference in fit and cut between a £60 Jersey, and a £140 Jersey. Wether it's worth the extra cash is only up to the consumer.
I’ve worn Pas Normal and plenty other kits and pas normal just fit the best. Does the price point keep me coming back no, does the print “pns” on the jersey/bib have me buying more no but the fit is still the best. Even if these brands all go to the same factory for their materials pas normal just puts it together better. Other brands have saggy pockets loose fitting arms and wind getting caught in the shoulders. With pas normal I didn’t feel that and that’s me wearing the same size with all brands. Also talking about other brands and comparing it to yours never helps your brand. Only sounds like you’re mad that they get more sales.
I've had my arse saved by my on bike camera. If it went on the very flawed/biased/speciously written police report, I would have been found guilty in a court of law. Instead, a panel of three magistrates found me not guilty, basically because of having that video and subsequent expert analysis of that video showing that I could not have been at fault.
Hey team… just watched this and I think you missed a point on the jersey? The wider review speaks to construction quality. And in my experience premium clothing also have attention to detail in design detail /cut/fit. (My experience is of La Passione kit.) So I think the challenge is to differentiate between the ‘Gucci’ marketing led products and those that have a true passion for design/fit that is tangible… tough because it’s all subjective to a point? Maybe that’s a feature? Gucci vs true design led?
The fact that they argue the fabrics are the same shows they haven't actually tried the pas normal stuff on or even felt it. I was initially turned off by the hype, but just recently got some of their bibs (and really, they are no more expensive , or even less, than other brands like eliel, pactimo, whatever) and the quality is higher. These jokers are just blathering.
This would make more sense if you actually tested the jacket. I have a Pas Normal jacket and it is the most comfortable jacket that I’ve tried (I own Rapha, Assos, MAAP).
When I jump out of my 2010 VW Rabbit in my perfectly mismatched PAS kit and pop the truck to retrieve my aluminum/ rim brake/ aero bike. The men turn away but the ladies and the ‘riders’ know I’m here to play!
Just to build on the Luxury for the middle class point, the trend now among the legit wealthy is quiet luxury. See Succession. You'd never know the price of the clothing any of those characters wore cause it was all simple, unbranded well cut and made products. Also PNS is far overrated, but if it makes you ride go for it.
Rapha on sale are pretty good value, IMO. PNS are just out of this world. Ugly, lazy, and boring designs....where you really are just paying for the logo.
PNS seems to have the best BIB padding, of all BIB that I have..that’s why I always respect them..and I’ve wear Rapha, MAAP, Castelli, local brand, etc…and by the best BIB padding, I mean, their BIB ensure the best comfort for me for a long looong ride and climb
190 £ for an average long sleeve jersey???? I bought a second hand Italian hanmade, aluminium with rear and fork carbon bike, with 10s campagnolo and Prologo saddle for a bit more last month!
yall really kidding in the comments. PNS and Rapha are China OEM kits slapped on with stereotypical "minimalist" design and marketed cleverly. Go either Decathlon or Assos.
I thought those who wear PNS are supposed to be pretty fast? - their marketing swagger seems to suggest this. I'll maybe remind them of that when I see fat choppers wearing it limping round at 14mph & going off the back of any clubrun when the road pitches up even slightly.
I’ve had a great experience with my PNS gear. Everything fits and wears well. I’ve found the prices to be roughly the same as most other cycling kits as well. I personally only buy gear when it’s on sale.
Nahhhh. pas normal studios makes, for me, the best fitting and best feeling cycling apparel. I've tried a lot of brands, and I've never felt this comfortable and confident in a kit before. This title and subject is click bait because so many people obviously love the brand
Jimmy has to stop using this podcast to recommend his own personal clothing brand. Your jerseys are also expensive and average quality too. The hypocrisy in this podcast is painful. You complain about cycling press giving bias reviews and then do the same yourself. Hypocrites.
Agreed. The people who buy PAS are not going to buy Attacus no matter how much he tries to promote it. PAS are in a different league aesthetically, if he wants to compete with them, come up with better branding
Well they own Attacus anymore and they have been moaning around for years. I live in Germany and I haven’t never ever saw a single rider wearing Attacus
Totally wrong with Pas Normal Studios Jimmy. Your old company (I’ve purchased and used) and now I only wear Pas Normal Studios. It is levels above your old brands fit, fabric and quality.
PNS imo, are making the best looking kit. In a Danish context, the design is working perfectly since we (Scandinavians) are only dressed in monotone colours and minimalistic design. The products are nice, not better than similar products I guess - yes, you pay extra for branding, the same way you pay too much for other products with strong branding.
I agree some kit is way to expensive and reviews are pretty rubbish , but some of these companies do way better colours other than black . Some pastel colours , or greens and browns . Cameras on bikes would be great if people /police took it seriously . Bikes are still a nuisance to everyone and have no say . The war on cyclists is he only time people actually acknowledge cyclist . Try explaining the high way code to some arse in a car who thinks you shouldn’t be in his way .
For the next one, please.... People putting their name and a flag on the top tube of their bikes (amateur cyclists). I know what my bike looks like, so I don't need a name or flag to identify it after a café stop. Just my 10p... x
I think you forgot where you came from. Yes PNS is expensive, very expensive indeed but they are also the most transparent brand in the cycling apparel industry full stop. And for some people that matters. There ''muted'' designs are there to last because it's not a fashion item, it's made to be worn for years to come. No, you certainly don't have to buy such expensive stuff but yes, their materials are on a different planet compared to all other high end brands out there. And once again, they know where it's made, they tell you where it's made, who made it, what it's made from etc. If you think you are just as good, take all the information from their website and do your own thing.
I’ve reached the conclusion that anyone who wears PNS is so broke after buying their kit, that they have to then tattoo themselves instead of getting it done professionally ?
Reviews..it's the same with everything. Heck..the olympics is touted as the greatest and best thing ever and yet there are far better premium events. But if you talk it up you get more athletes attending andmore eyesballs and more money!! Ultimately....someone that is rich is going to pay for a high end product that is average rather than an average product that is average...because half of life is about looks and brands and street cred. How many people get value from money from brand frames? Vs those without that create the same quality product without the hype and brand kudos. People wanna look more important than they are.
this is then marketing branding and fashion economics talks... if you are willing to pay +++ for the same white cotton jersey, just because the logo brand display in the front or back... well ... my personal aproach is, if your brand is all across my clothes, I probably not paying any $ or +++ than a regular not branded. pay me and pin me!
These poncy new brands do me bonce in, do me a favour apparel producers and give me a bit of function without the hipster nonsense and assos pricetags. PS The mechanic speaks well given english is not his first language.
I rock PNS because it fits my personal aesthetic off the bike. I am a fashionable guy, and their branding and color palette suits my personal style. I am ok paying a premium for what I consider a premium brand.
Rapha is hysterical to me. It's owned by the Waltons via RZC Investments. Yup! Rapha IS a WalMart brand LOL. And people still pay ridiculous amounts for the stuff while looking down on people who buy kits made in the China.....where the Rapha kits are made thanks to Wal Mart. I laugh at people wearing Rapha and refer to them as Wal Mart Team Members.
Hopefully the Walmart buy out hasn't effected Rapha yet. I had a Marketing Manager interview at the Rapha head office in London a few years ago and it was an incredible place. Until then, I'd always thought that Rapha gear was slightly conservative,, a bit old and stuffy nd boring HOWEVER I was completed surprised to see a real young team - early to mid 20s who were passionate about cycling - young designer would walk around with their MacBook Pro's comparing design ideas for the clothing line for in two years time. The place had great energy and even had a barista on the ground floor who just like the Rapha boutiques serve IMO the best espresso in the UK!!! I'm a fan of PAS Mechanical bib shorts out of all of the brands. The worst brand for me is Castelli - their longevity of the materials they use has been a disgrace for me. It's a brand that I don't buy anymore. For me it's PAS, Rapha and Assos.
Regarding PNS, the 10 year old boy in me wants to put an E and I in the gaps with felt pen.....
Phew, I thought I was the only one 😅
It's all I see every time I see one of those jerseys.
I like your PNS, may I touch it
I cannot unsee it. At 56… thats why i won’t buy this brand.
I thought it was Hambini who commented 😅
I knew a few guys in my home town, who are ambassadors for PNS and are doing heeps to grow the local cycling community. So for that reason i support the company. But also i love the cycling kit (yes im boring)
Dont worry, its just everone else that are cheapskate boomers. Nothing more hip to ride with than PNS. If being non-boring matters for a cyclist :D
there is one thing that I value when I buy cycling kits or clothing in general: where it is made.
Go for Isadore! It’s all made in Europe. Mostly Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
Santini!
@@joowwwllllll666 €190 jerseys. LOL. thanks, but no!
PNS re defined the pretty cool to completely overrated curve in 10x the speed Rapha did....
I ride with PNS and i'm very satisfied. Its a bit cheaper than Maap, and the fit is way better, for me atleast. Also my Maap bibs wore out alot faster than PNS.
Spot on. I always use front and rear camera/lights. I chose Cycliq as together with fittings they about 300g to the bike and have all the features you need - including a nice overlay system on recordings showing where 1.5m is in regard to the centre of the bike. Add in a Garmin with radar and you have GPS location of any incident, with speed of vehicle too if needed.
I must say since I have been using the light/cameras I've noticed traffic in general seems less 'aggressive'.
Same and 100% agree
Trafic aint less agressiv, theu have no idea its cameras
BTW - as of 2024, in England close passing is not specifically illegal, but there are laws that it is linked to (i.e. careless driving) that the driver can be charged with for close passing. The distance is also variable dependant on speed (1m at 20mph; 1.5m at 30mph; etc.)
Im not the tallest with 170cm and I love the fit of pns stuff, first brand which I found are excellent from lenght in the back and front
Hello, I am 1m70 tall (I am a man). Do you recommend S or XS at PNS ? Thanks :)
@hyzou Hello, what's your weight?
I don't get Pas Normal at all. Boring gear and drab logo....The advertising is infantile..King's new clothes
we need more people riding with cameras for sure. it truly makes it safer for everyone. I personally have been cycling for less than half a year and I ride with a GoPro mounted on my seatpost :)
I once tested Le Col's original foul weather jersey by going out in a storm. The weather was so bad that when I met my dad at the cafe halfway, the cast iron chairs outside were getting blown over in the gale force winds and my dad turned to me to say 'think you best get a lift home, son'. Up until that point, the jersey did it's job in keeping me warm and dry.
Pas normal is very expensive. But their sale prices are decent. I have two of their escapism bibs, got them for 135€ (in stead of the normal 270€) and they're the best bibs I've ever owned. But PNS also sells simple jerseys that aren't special in any way for 200+€ so I do agree they're expensive and not exceptional if you consider the entire brand. Same goes for rapha. But there is always something on sale :)
assos and la passione better
@@FastRider69 Assos is actually a gazillion times better*
its the best man but price is killing me @@EmmanuelNataf
Agreed, I don’t think I would buy it full price…but it is a very comfy bib.
They have the best design in market
Ive used all Rapha, MAAP and PNS along side random brands here and there. The MAAP bibs seems to wear super quickly compared to the PNS / Rapha ...especially on the contact points to the saddle. PNS bibs have lasted much longer and fit my body down there better (their jerseys are also alot shorter than others which dont bunch up around your tummy). So if you buy them on promotion, the cost differential is mitigated, and you get kit that fits.
I have the exact same experience, my maap bibs wore out faster than the PNS ones i swear to now. I have a newer rapha kit too, but its quality is inferior to both PNS and maap.
Pns is short form for slow rider in Singapore
The P stands for “Poser”
What does it stand for?
@@jeremyemilio9378 pas normal studios
Classic comment. Tokyo is the same PNS+SWorks = shit/slow rider
I have been riding all kinds of bikes for decades and this guy is always spot on about everything. Listen to this man!
The price of everything in cycling has gotten outrageous, but especially the price of kit. Recently, I have taken up running. You spend $150 and you buy the Pinarello Dogma of shoes. Another $30 on some shorts and boom job done.
I envy you. I can't run any longer due to joint/shin issues, and it's that simplicity and ease that I miss the most.
You pay with your knees and hips
That’s like buying a Dogma and saying I’ve got the Ferrari of driving for 10k
One thing they didn't touch on during the Pas Normal Studios segement is this; just becuase they use similar fabrics and MFG as Pas Normal doesn't mean they're the same as their own brand. Each brand is spending different amounts of time desiging the product, honing in the product development, working with the factories to dial in the fit, and quality assurance. These variables differ between each brand and their respective design teams which could mean hundreds of man-hours difference between each jersey between brands.
Just because they use similar fabrics and have cross over in vendors does not make their products the same as any other brand.
YKyWaibike clothes are the way to go.
why?
I absolutely agree about the cycling press and the bias they have, I think it’s finally being talked about more and more, and more people are listening but…. And it s big but… this channel sits there’s and shits on brands for their prices but ignores things like after sales/ free repairs/ grassroots sponsorship(rapha) and the big one marketing!! Yes that’s right you’re paying for them to sponsor those athletes and influencers (like Cade media) and make all that content that’s lapped up. I can’t help but laugh at these types of comments when they’re part of the very reason these products are overpriced.
Jimmy sometimes comes across as very bitter about the cycling clothing industry. I guess his experience of trying to breakthrough wirh Attacus was not a positive one. But look, premium cycling products are not purely about fabrics as he well knows - there is the design/look of the thing, the form & fit (very important), features like zippers & pockets, how well it holds together over time. For some reason these factors are all overlooked. Seems like there is a clear agenda here and honestly it's putting me off this Cade Media content which used to be good.
PAS kit is great. I wish I had more of it.
The twisted scheme of reviewers feeling they need the product companies, when in fact, the companies need the reviewers to make their products more widely known to larger audiences. It used to be the reviewers that dictated the terms and companies would do whatever they had to to get their products reviewed. Now, with internet advertising driving the online commercial industry, all the review sites care about is clicks and views. The product companies hold their ad contracts like a knife to the review site's throats now with threats of leaving. Video game review sites are notoriously bad at this.
At least they keep bringing new design and colour to the market and each season there is a huge discount. I think it is fair enough. Assos and Castelli make good stuff but really need to think of design and colour...
Dam I miss the videos when Francis just rode his bike.
I am fair less interested in videos of people sharing their personal opinion about bike stuff. It’s not useful or entertaining enough. Unsubscribing after many years….
They still make bike content, hes literally backpacking right now and you'll be missing it. No one is forcing you to listen to the podcasts :D
Very informative! Love these kinds of content!
I run front and rear cameras on my bike, after witnessing a fellow rider get knocked off by a car, who didn’t stop, and the driver was never traced. It happened so fast that no one could remember the reg no of the car. I rarely even look at the footage, but it’s there if I need it.
That's awful, I hope the rider was ok. I would use a camera if I could afford it because UK roads are a fucking minefield of aggressive drivers
What are your thoughts on maap cycling kits?
I saw the alt cargo bib shorts and they look amazing, wandering about the price though
Can you elaborate more on what you meant at 7:35? Do you guys not control Attacus now? 😢
I just googled it got passed on in December to a couple who own a jewellery company
Theyre great! Id say better quality than most of the brands ive worn (Rapha, Maap and Attaquer).
They r very expensive however I dont buy them When theyre not on sale. I always wait for the archive to open and hoard whatever fits on my budget. Then after 6months or a year or whenever archive is open again, i sell them for about for the same price i paid for (or a bit less) and purchase another set of on sale PAS kits.
U just need to wait till they go on Sale😂
i’m extremely mechanically competent, but when I moved into an apartment and started biking I was having to take my bikes into shops for repairs just because of the lack of space and tools I had. I couldn’t stand it, some shops (obviously not all) just get too cocky, some speak to you like you know nothing and some are just ridiculously overpriced for the work you’re requesting. It’s SO painful to pay someone to do something for you when you know you can do it but other factors are limiting you. Well, safe to say my living room can now convert Into a bike shop when needed 🙃
There are places where you can rent a car workshop for a day (like a small garage with tools). Maybe shops that have a hard time could do something similar during the closing hours or quiet days?
Cade media getting really preachy and know it all lately.... and no I don't wear PNS.
Nic is a preachy knob, bring back francis just riding his damn bike
I had to laugh at the comment about Rapha being the only very premium brand. I totally get what you're saying. It's just that the current situation is so absurd with each and every brand marketing and often pricing themselves as premium. Premium has to be the most overused word these days, and has totally lost its meaning.
PAS, Assos, Biehler, MAAP Giordana or whatever other brands people consider expensive, are all somewhat affordable if you shop the archive sale. The build quality on Assos garments tend to be better than the others, even if their styling is a bit suspect. I’ve been dealing with unraveling threads on Biehler garments. MAAP graphics has gotten comically bad in the last couple of years. As for one being better than the other for function…nah. Aside from Giordana and Assos bibs being the most comfortable, I haven’t seen much difference in terms of reality aligning with the marketing hype.
There's always been an "it" brand for clothing. Assos, Rapha and now PNS. I really couldn't care less what people wear. Enjoy your kit, but it's really just a bit much. I think the cycling stories and marketing are over the top and i'll see an entire group of riders wearing all matching it with heavy branding. It's just a bit too much.
It’s good that your are raising theses issues about silly pricing but would you have done so when you owned your own company still ?
Well they didn’t that’s why they are out
what these guys are missing about PNS kit - its just great design, great marketing, it seems it comes from people who actually ride bicycles. Sure its very expensive, but for sure there is a lot more to kit than fabrics. Good insight that it seems rapha owned that premium / enthusiast space, but maybe because change of hands rapha now seems to be just dull.
I appreciate how much cycling content PNS make though. Prime reason why I went with Rapha too without the tall price
Re: cameras on bikes.
I got attacked by a dog whilst riding last year and it knocked me over and the impact shattered my hip. The dog owner claimed the dog didn’t touch me, but the whole thing was recorded on my Cycliq front and my Garmin rear cameras (even though I was unconscious, I had evidence).
I almost always ride alone and the camera is the only reliable evidence. I think that everyone should have one - because it encourages people on both sides to behave.
A 7/10 review in popular media usually means "we don't want to piss off the supplier, but it's total crap and don't buy it". Anything under 8/10 is usually bad to mediocre. 9/10 means it's pretty decent (standard score for good stuff) and 10/10 either means it's actually above industry standard, or heavily sponsored, like Fox forks where every review says it's the bee's knees, but the following model gets a review stating it fixed all things wrong with the previous 'perfect' model.
PNS is mostly made in Europe like some other bike brands too. Sure, it is overpriced but sadly so are bikes and bike stuff overall. Only buying PNS, POC, Café du Cycliste in sale.
You should be able to do your own chain and brake maintaince, they’re basic easy to learn and bikes doesn’t work without them.
Who owns Attacus now?
I'm trying to test out as many manufacturers as possible. I've got so many different brands, and still collecting more. I haven't found, what I would define as the holy grail of cycling apparel, but it doesn't stop me from trying. Just to list off the top of my head, I've got pearl izumi, pns, rapha, specialized, universal colours, ekoi, maap, Oakley, castelli, DNA, sportful, LG, pactimo, le col, ale, dhb, assos, giordana, adidas, pedal mafia, gore cycling, Nike, black sheep, siroko, la passione, Suarez, pinarello, nopinz. I'm working on getting something from endura, and elliel soon, and continue to more brands as well. Maybe do a video on all my gear, and experiences with them. As you can see from what I've listed, I've spent a lot of money, but ultimately looking for that sweet spot, between price, appeal, comfort, and performance. The holy grail for me.
I know the former global editor-in-chief of a very well-known bike review website and he said that as most bike review websites rely on items given to the reviewers to review means that they are always going to find something good to say about the item so that they can continue to be given things to review or they will go out of business. They can't afford to buy all the items they review to review impartially. It is an undisclosed conflict of interest. He's moved on from that job.
I don't own any PNS kit. Too expensive for me. But i do appreciate their apparrel. Great colorways and quite minimal, streamlined branding. Their founder also started Wood Wood, a danish "fashion" brand. So i guess they want to market PNS as semi-luxury sportswear. Can't get over their PNS logo though. Or the weird "Mechanism" type on the butt.
With that said. Many times there are a difference in fit and cut between a £60 Jersey, and a £140 Jersey. Wether it's worth the extra cash is only up to the consumer.
I’ve worn Pas Normal and plenty other kits and pas normal just fit the best. Does the price point keep me coming back no, does the print “pns” on the jersey/bib have me buying more no but the fit is still the best. Even if these brands all go to the same factory for their materials pas normal just puts it together better. Other brands have saggy pockets loose fitting arms and wind getting caught in the shoulders. With pas normal I didn’t feel that and that’s me wearing the same size with all brands. Also talking about other brands and comparing it to yours never helps your brand. Only sounds like you’re mad that they get more sales.
I cross cyclists wearing PNS in town, never crossed one of them in the mountain. That tells everything
I've had my arse saved by my on bike camera. If it went on the very flawed/biased/speciously written police report, I would have been found guilty in a court of law. Instead, a panel of three magistrates found me not guilty, basically because of having that video and subsequent expert analysis of that video showing that I could not have been at fault.
AliExpress bibs do the job for me 😂
Hey team… just watched this and I think you missed a point on the jersey? The wider review speaks to construction quality. And in my experience premium clothing also have attention to detail in design detail /cut/fit. (My experience is of La Passione kit.) So I think the challenge is to differentiate between the ‘Gucci’ marketing led products and those that have a true passion for design/fit that is tangible… tough because it’s all subjective to a point? Maybe that’s a feature? Gucci vs true design led?
Can you please do over or under rated on Biehler (SYN) products?
The PNS brand are the best fitting of all my jerseys, all other brands are too long for me so for me I love them! The bibs tho are just average.
The fact that they argue the fabrics are the same shows they haven't actually tried the pas normal stuff on or even felt it. I was initially turned off by the hype, but just recently got some of their bibs (and really, they are no more expensive , or even less, than other brands like eliel, pactimo, whatever) and the quality is higher. These jokers are just blathering.
This would make more sense if you actually tested the jacket. I have a Pas Normal jacket and it is the most comfortable jacket that I’ve tried (I own Rapha, Assos, MAAP).
When I jump out of my 2010 VW Rabbit in my perfectly mismatched PAS kit and pop the truck to retrieve my aluminum/ rim brake/ aero bike. The men turn away but the ladies and the ‘riders’ know I’m here to play!
Just to build on the Luxury for the middle class point, the trend now among the legit wealthy is quiet luxury. See Succession. You'd never know the price of the clothing any of those characters wore cause it was all simple, unbranded well cut and made products. Also PNS is far overrated, but if it makes you ride go for it.
Rapha on sale are pretty good value, IMO. PNS are just out of this world. Ugly, lazy, and boring designs....where you really are just paying for the logo.
PNS seems to have the best BIB padding, of all BIB that I have..that’s why I always respect them..and I’ve wear Rapha, MAAP, Castelli, local brand, etc…and by the best BIB padding, I mean, their BIB ensure the best comfort for me for a long looong ride and climb
I love cycling but that the problem with cycling the cost of gear and sizing.
6:30 minute for everyone looking for the pas normal review
190 £ for an average long sleeve jersey???? I bought a second hand Italian hanmade, aluminium with rear and fork carbon bike, with 10s campagnolo and Prologo saddle for a bit more last month!
yall really kidding in the comments. PNS and Rapha are China OEM kits slapped on with stereotypical "minimalist" design and marketed cleverly. Go either Decathlon or Assos.
Your right spent hundreds in the past,the van rysel line is great,good shout man👍
i rather buy a house than pns jersey
I thought those who wear PNS are supposed to be pretty fast? - their marketing swagger seems to suggest this. I'll maybe remind them of that when I see fat choppers wearing it limping round at 14mph & going off the back of any clubrun when the road pitches up even slightly.
I’ve had a great experience with my PNS gear. Everything fits and wears well. I’ve found the prices to be roughly the same as most other cycling kits as well. I personally only buy gear when it’s on sale.
Nahhhh. pas normal studios makes, for me, the best fitting and best feeling cycling apparel. I've tried a lot of brands, and I've never felt this comfortable and confident in a kit before. This title and subject is click bait because so many people obviously love the brand
HA wrong -
The more maintenance you do, the more business for the shop….be honest at least😂
Shirt over woolly jumper - over or under rated🤣
Jimmy has to stop using this podcast to recommend his own personal clothing brand. Your jerseys are also expensive and average quality too. The hypocrisy in this podcast is painful. You complain about cycling press giving bias reviews and then do the same yourself. Hypocrites.
Agreed. The people who buy PAS are not going to buy Attacus no matter how much he tries to promote it. PAS are in a different league aesthetically, if he wants to compete with them, come up with better branding
Well they own Attacus anymore and they have been moaning around for years. I live in Germany and I haven’t never ever saw a single rider wearing Attacus
Totally wrong with Pas Normal Studios Jimmy. Your old company (I’ve purchased and used) and now I only wear Pas Normal Studios. It is levels above your old brands fit, fabric and quality.
Ekoi ftw
PNS imo, are making the best looking kit. In a Danish context, the design is working perfectly since we (Scandinavians) are only dressed in monotone colours and minimalistic design. The products are nice, not better than similar products I guess - yes, you pay extra for branding, the same way you pay too much for other products with strong branding.
Don't forget $15 for shipping that average jersey.
PNS looks almost like designed by a kid... they might as well use it Comic Sans font .... lol ....
I agree some kit is way to expensive and reviews are pretty rubbish , but some of these companies do way better colours other than black . Some pastel colours , or greens and browns . Cameras on bikes would be great if people /police took it seriously . Bikes are still a nuisance to everyone and have no say . The war on cyclists is he only time people actually acknowledge cyclist . Try explaining the high way code to some arse in a car who thinks you shouldn’t be in his way .
For the next one, please.... People putting their name and a flag on the top tube of their bikes (amateur cyclists). I know what my bike looks like, so I don't need a name or flag to identify it after a café stop. Just my 10p... x
Its just like a cotton tee with the word Louis Vuitton.
I think you forgot where you came from. Yes PNS is expensive, very expensive indeed but they are also the most transparent brand in the cycling apparel industry full stop. And for some people that matters. There ''muted'' designs are there to last because it's not a fashion item, it's made to be worn for years to come. No, you certainly don't have to buy such expensive stuff but yes, their materials are on a different planet compared to all other high end brands out there. And once again, they know where it's made, they tell you where it's made, who made it, what it's made from etc. If you think you are just as good, take all the information from their website and do your own thing.
I’ve reached the conclusion that anyone who wears PNS is so broke after buying their kit, that they have to then tattoo themselves instead of getting it done professionally ?
Reviews..it's the same with everything. Heck..the olympics is touted as the greatest and best thing ever and yet there are far better premium events. But if you talk it up you get more athletes attending andmore eyesballs and more money!!
Ultimately....someone that is rich is going to pay for a high end product that is average rather than an average product that is average...because half of life is about looks and brands and street cred. How many people get value from money from brand frames? Vs those without that create the same quality product without the hype and brand kudos. People wanna look more important than they are.
this is then marketing branding and fashion economics talks... if you are willing to pay +++ for the same white cotton jersey, just because the logo brand display in the front or back... well ... my personal aproach is, if your brand is all across my clothes, I probably not paying any $ or +++ than a regular not branded. pay me and pin me!
These poncy new brands do me bonce in, do me a favour apparel producers and give me a bit of function without the hipster nonsense and assos pricetags.
PS The mechanic speaks well given english is not his first language.
I rock PNS because it fits my personal aesthetic off the bike. I am a fashionable guy, and their branding and color palette suits my personal style. I am ok paying a premium for what I consider a premium brand.
The Pas Normal stuff is certainly better looking than most other brands. I swore off rapha due to the attitude at their bentonville shop.
Rapha get a 7/10 for a 240 bp and the zipper is not windproof. They also claim they are disappointed by that.
Rapha is hysterical to me. It's owned by the Waltons via RZC Investments. Yup! Rapha IS a WalMart brand LOL. And people still pay ridiculous amounts for the stuff while looking down on people who buy kits made in the China.....where the Rapha kits are made thanks to Wal Mart. I laugh at people wearing Rapha and refer to them as Wal Mart Team Members.
Hopefully the Walmart buy out hasn't effected Rapha yet. I had a Marketing Manager interview at the Rapha head office in London a few years ago and it was an incredible place. Until then, I'd always thought that Rapha gear was slightly conservative,, a bit old and stuffy nd boring HOWEVER I was completed surprised to see a real young team - early to mid 20s who were passionate about cycling - young designer would walk around with their MacBook Pro's comparing design ideas for the clothing line for in two years time. The place had great energy and even had a barista on the ground floor who just like the Rapha boutiques serve IMO the best espresso in the UK!!! I'm a fan of PAS Mechanical bib shorts out of all of the brands. The worst brand for me is Castelli - their longevity of the materials they use has been a disgrace for me. It's a brand that I don't buy anymore. For me it's PAS, Rapha and Assos.