The Six-Country Fight Over These Tiny, Terrible Islands
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As a Filipino, we are willing to share the spratlys to everyone who has a claim on it except China.
Is it pleasant to be an American attack dog?
@@boiwaif Isn't it pleasant to have no friends? ;)
For the most part, all the other parties think the same. China does not have good intentions with that region and they have shown they will muscle out everybody given the chance.
@@boiwaifonly a Chinese person would be offended by this comment lol. The Philippines have no capability to “attack” as you claim. It can only defend and China is blatantly breaching into other nation’s territory which is just weird tbh. Imperialism much?
@@boiwaif china? you mean west taiwan?
I have actually recently been wondering what was happening in that conflict right now, because I had looked into it a few years back. It's sad but also unsurprising to hear that nothing really has changed and the situation only keeps getting tenser.
Good finding.
You mean no progress towards a solution has been made. But alot of construction has been happening.
And china are destroying coral reefs there. I dunno where is that on west ph. I think they starting dredging. I dunno what u call that.sorry for grammatical error.
Because west Philippines is rich on oil. Thats why. I just watch on news the other day. That they have large tube there on west Philippines sea. Maybe they gonna extract some oil.
You forgot to mention that Filipino fishermen already fish at Scarborough Shoal during the Spanish colonial period. The Murillo Velarde map of 1734 documents this with the name Panatag Shoal, which is what Filipinos call Scarborough at the time.
Everyone gangster until Mongolia reclaims their old lines on the map...
Việt Nam:
They can't too weak. China is different they are too strong.
As a Vietnamese, they are welcome to try.
And maybe the Polish would love it as well - in a much more gallow humor.
@@lehoang3532 hôm nay sinh nhật bác Hồ nè đồng chí :))
The UK:
These are The new balkans, to partially use a quote from Bismarck, „some damn foolish thing in the South China Sea will set of a war“
Edit: wow, this really blow up in Popularity
Why balkans.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa grow a brain
Nah. It will not happen. 5 countries respects each other’s claim. Only China doesn’t.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaThe original quote speculated the Great War was to begin from the Balkans.
It was 'unprecedented' when Germany invaded Poland.... yet no one did anything cause they didn't want to poke the tiger that was fascist party of Germany. China is such a tiger, and it is only growing more brazen.
You just need 1 loony leader in one of those countries for this to turn into a beach episode of ukraine
Pacific Theater & European Theater pt.2🎉
Ah yes, I remember that anime. It was the episode when the students SCS Academy went to the beach and Jinping-san kept chasing and splashing water at Bongbong-chan.
Oh no, not again
The Philippines is a US ally it would trigger WW3
Does Winnie the Pooh count?
Tom Clancy wrote a book about a conflict between China and the US stemming from competition over the Spratlys over 20 years ago. It's crazy to see what I hoped would be a work of fiction, slowly being made real.
Tom Clancy also wrote a book about China invading Siberia and then trying to nuke the US.
There was also a fantastic computer game made based on his story, SSN, where the player is in control of one of the US Navy’s 688i attack subs
He also wrote a book about terrorists using a hijacked plane for an attack on US soil way before 9/11
@@cruisinguy6024 I believe the book RSD is referring to is the book-of-the-game (and I don't know which one came first)...
@@baylinkdashyt I just looked it up and they were both co-released in 1996. That’s actually a pretty cool idea, I wish he’d done it more as gaming technology developed.
I'm a Filipino so I hear about the news regularly. While I hate what's going on, my sad hope is that it just goes on forever. At least never escalate
Yes and in the Philippines the Spratley's and parts of the Philippines is targeted the same way Ukraine is targeted.
Yeah, that sounds like the best outcome as I don't see these countries settling this matter peacefully.
Nah. Us Americans are gonna come in and take it. 😊
Being passive will not be a good thing in the long run. They’re already closing in with bases in cross proximity of our main lands with operatives already planted in our community some even have gov’t positions & that discovery of them holding positions in our navy reserves. One even blatantly tried to join Miss Manila pageant lol. Our coral reefs destroyed, our fishermens catch stolen, drilling oil for themselves, our coastguard getting water cannoned, they even tresspass on our shores like that incident in which they forced to get an unknown rocket debris from local fishermen that hauled it inland. It’s better to act now before it’s too late.
@@blogdesign7126and for the same reason. The Chinese don't like American bases close to them, and don't want Manila letting them set up even more of them. Much like Russia wrt Ukraine.
As a Malaysian I'm so happy you're doing this topic
Calling this a dispute in the title seems dishonest. It is actually an invasion.
but in the end, China will take everything and nothing we can do 😢
@@dang3304 not a dispute had we not put that BRP sierra madre there. I mean we (the Philippines) gave zero f*cks when China declared that 9 dash line in 1950s
Nonsense
So what are you doing Malaysia? Just because a lot of your people are Chinese decent you don't want to get involved. Ch have destroyed a lot of shoals in Spratlys and destroyed a lot of corals. What is your tkn stand. You fkn scared.
China: "Why do people hate us?" also China: "All your islands are ours!"
Technically, as someone born in Taiwan, it's all ours.
@@LuwigChannelScientifically, as every land must be some part of this one big earth, any claim of ownership is social construct.
The US literally borrowed their warships to China after WW2, to help reclaim Hainan and the Spartly islands from the Japanese.
Now look at western imperialism.
They don't care that they are hated, they hate everyone else. But they do use your niceness against you, they are amazing hypocritics
There was no year 0. The Gregorian Calendar goes from 1BC->1AD.
TIL...makes sense though
if we wanna be assholes about it... there is, if you're any modern computer :) year 0 in the ISO is 1 BC
Evidence that Jesus is a myth
@@joshgreen2164 lol all that proves is that they screwed up the calendar
Most scholars agree that he was a real person the debate comes after that.
The next global season of Jetleg is gonna be super hard with Sam banned from all these countries
Not all of them. Probably just china.
@@sportscaryungred I, for one, welcomes Sam to Taiwan always
Ben and Adam probably wrote this episode for that exact purpose
Glad to know we’re destroying coral reefs so we can…overfish?
It's worse than that. For one, chinese fishing FLEETS are destroying coral reefs previously untouched by man throughout the entirety of HUMAN HISTORY to harvest giant clams, not for their meat, but for the shells to use in JEWELRY AND OTHER COSMETIC PURPOSES.
The thing is that even if it is the same body of water referred to in those ancient texts, it genuinely does not matter. That's not how we settle claims because every place on the planet has about a dozen people who could make such a claim about it. Or does China think that Mongolia should be allowed to take over most of its territory?
The CCP are nothing if not consistent in their love for cherrypicking.
LOL, (the Republic of) China claims Mongolia as part of China.
@@MatthewTheWanderer Doesn't matter
If Countries justify their Invasions through Historical Pre-Ownership then Mongolia has complete Rights to Takeover Both Russia and China.
Israel's validity was based on even older history. The only difference between conquest and legitimate territory is time. Outside of the polar regions, I doubt there's any land that has no changed hands at the business end of a weapon at some point.
@utkphilobio Ok so lets not talk about ancient text. China is literally the first modern country in the region to lay claims to those islands in the 1940s. It was not until 3 decades later that Vietnam, PH etc started making their claims in the 1970s
lets see how Sam brings planes into this video.
wait wrong channel
Love to Puerto Rico from Russia
Beautiful island and culture
BRICK
intro:
Let's see how Uncle Sam brings planes onto the islands! 🇺🇸
*But I thought wendover was the plane guy*
Just another problem that an epic game of Paper, Rock, Scissors could solve.
Why not go funnier with squid game?
Scissors cuts paper, rock makes scissors cut paper, paper folds under the pressure.
@@quattrocity9620lizard poisons Spock. Spock disproves paper. Lizard eats paper. Rock crushes lizard
That’s a downright heretical order you got there.
Fun fact. With a Western Imperialist perspective, the *French* were the first to lay a sovereign claim to anything in the South China Sea. And they did so in 1933, where French Captain Georges Meesemaecker and his small flotilla would lay French Empirical claim to nine small rocks, all done with trumpets, a flag, and a letter in a bottle outlining the claim.
The UK can't do this, despite the fact that they were there 99 years earlier and named the Spratly Islands. They saw, they named, but they never claimed:)
China’s dashed-line claim was subsequently a reaction to France’s enormous assertion. This still lives on today as Vietnam inherited and decided to continue pursuing the French claim to the SCS.
I’m pretty certain that people had claims before that
@@deleted-something None that got archived, apparently.
The French are the queens of not letting go
Also they pulled US into Vietnam just cause they thought they could keep colonial nonsense going forever
@@KevinEnjoyer That's really funny. As an example, Mongol China claimed that area and far beyond to the point of going to war for it in 1293. China was already the sovereign in the area, long long before those claims... That is well over a thousand years of continued sovereignty well before anyone else!
Here's one cool detail, the name of the historical document China referenced for its claim - Yiwu Zhi 異物誌 literally means "archive of the strange and foreign things" as in things that are strange and foreign to China. So that means the reefs are .... get this... not Chinese.😂
《异物志》是中国第一部记述岭南物产,土著民风,生产技术的书籍,它开创后了代各类型“异物志”的体例,对后世的影响深远。此后中国典籍中出现了大批“异物志”,如《临海水上异物志》、《南州异物志》、《凉州异物志》、《巴蜀异物志》、《扶南异物志》、《岭南异物志》、《南中八郡异物志》、《广州异物志》、《岭表录异》
异在文言文只有区别,优异,奇特,分开的意思,这里是奇异的事情,到你这变成了“foreign things”外来物,鉴定为高中没读过就不要瞎几把科普了
The Chinese comment on top just disproved your comment entirely. It's "archive of the strange and unique things", not "foreign", lmao. So it is Chinese.
That and trying to claim land based on a single sentence that is basically from bible times is a bit ridiculous. The area has been claimed and settled countless times over the centuries. The fact China is trying to claim the entirety of that region is also ridiculous. And they wonder why everyone hates them.
@@JulianUccetta They all hate each other around that region, you aren't making the point you are imagining.
I'm surprised that Great Britain isn't partly responsible for this
Exactly 😂
The Brits did name them
The Brits did severely weaken the Qing Dynasty with funny flower drugs that caused its instability and eventual collapse.
Also the Allies in general didn't offer much help to KMT's defence of china against the Japanese, which weakened KMT and eventually they lost mainland to the communists.
😂
There's a first for everything.
Surprisly, I saw no mentions or references to PAG-ASA ISLAND in this video. Implying that the only stake of the Philippines in the area is just a grounded landing vessel.
Maybe I just missed it.
Yeah he didn't mention it at all. I assume for comedic effect, while also highlighting the difference in naval power between the two nations.
For anyone else: "pag-asa" translates to "hope"/"hoping" or "chance" in English.
@@tropical_flak The whole world laughs at the rusty old ship yet China seems to be intimidated by it.😂😂😂
@@Brydsteaxsthey're "intimidated" and we can tell cause they're building artificial islands and sending large groups of boats?
The Philippines and Vietnam in fact signed a strategic agreement at Hanoi in January 2024 on security cooperation and to take a common position regarding the South China Sea. These two countries are the main opponents against China's ambition in the SCS region.
But Vietnam claimed the most feactures in South China Sea more than China, Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia combined. They have a military base inside Philippine EEZ and already building oilrigs.
So your saying, the Philippines and China can also sign a strategic agreement.
Philippine Fishermen wont approach Vietnamese islets in the west philippine sea.
So can filipino fishermen not approach Chinese islets in the west philippine sea?
And yet china claimed that island like they owned it. But its on Philippine territory.
And yet china claimed that island like they owned it. But its on Philippine territory.
@@jamesshelby1355 so is vietnamese island in philippines eez.
so is taiwanese island in the philippine eez.
so is malaysian island in the philippines eez.
so did vietnam make a military island base. in the philippines eez
so did taiwan make an military islands base. in the philippines eez
so did malaysia make an military islands base. in the philippines eez
the problem is when you apply the law to one and not everyone.
It’s like claiming land according to the bible😂
Isn’t that what Israel does
@@Ucfahmadnope, that's actual anthropology. begone, mohammed
@@Ucfahmadwell atleast they are not sacrificing their own population to get sympathy from restratled university students…
@@Ucfahmad exactly
@@Ucfahmad Israel don't use Bible. Lol
China's historical claim to the south china sea is the same level of ridiculous as Italy claiming sovereignty over Egypt because it used to be part of Rome, or the UK claiming to control the US because they sent the original colonists there, or Taiwan claiming to be the sole ruler of mainland China because they used to govern it, or Norway claiming Canada because the Vikings stopped by there for a bit once upon a time. "Our sailors once passed by here 2000 years ago" is not a basis for a claim. It wasn't even a basis for a claim 2000 years ago. A claim to a place requires a permanent physical presence. A claim can also be usurped by another by physically kicking the first out. Essentially, the king of the hill is the one standing on it. The record of who used to stand on it means nothing. It's brutal playground bullshit, but that's the reality of international sovereignty, it only exists as far as you're willing to push the other guy off your hill.
China's real best claim to the islands there is that they have set up permanent bases there and nobody has kicked them out yet.
@ARabidPie No? If we want to talk about recent history, then China is the first country in the region to claim sovereignty over the islands in the SCS (1940s). Others made their claims in the 1970s after oil was found. As first claimant, theirs is the strongest claim, Id say thats theirs.
You clearly don't understand that ownership although unfairly is never a matter of closeness to another nation (example is France - Indian ocean territories, or Turkey-vs Greek islands) but a matter of succession of ownership. China fought the Japanese until the very last day and the whole reason why Japan declared war on China was because of the ... SOUTH CHINA SEA!!! Do you now understand why China will even risk WW3 if anyone dares to negate its claim in that region. While Vietnam/Malaysia/Borneo/Phillipines were mere spectators in WW2, China paid a HEAVY price resisting Japanese occupation and was rewarded UNSC seat...
Bro has zero idea abt its history.😂😂
Israel is a thing. The west seems quite happy to accept claims based on ancient heritage (which isn't even the case here as much, as pointed out above) when it's from people they like. If that argument has no merit, then neither does the existence of...
Spectator? Lmao. Go read more history please hahahahaha. My god. So many ignorant people@@ABC-ABC1234
I appreciate the use of motion blur in the graphics... which as simply stellar. I appreciate the time and effort that goes into these videos.
The fact that everyone in that region fears what China is doing and might do with the South China Sea tells you a lot about China's claims & actions. Taiwan & Japan have arguments over islands & waters but they don't fear the other side will launch some sort of war over it. But CHINA....they are showing intent to actually use force to take it all. And their claims are massive areas. Sure Taiwan, also has similar claims but it's mostly just to keep the Chinese claims and prevent China from just easiliy taking all the waters & islands.
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippines have specifically called out China over this matter suggesting it is indeed China that is creating this whole crisis.
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippines have specifically called out China over this matter suggesting it is indeed China that is creating this whole crisis.
They even claim an entire state in India, they regularly try and cross into India and refuse to demarcate an official borde[
@@thes7754 They also claim lots of Bhutan's land and started building settlements & military posts Bhutan's land in the north. The whole claim on the north is likely to get Bhutan to give up land on the west....which would be a strategic military position against India.
@@thes7754 China is indeed trying to go after India in many spots. WSJ youtube has a video titles "Why China’s Land Grab in Bhutan Threatens India". Check it out
Indonesia also has started to get pulled in this mess due to the fact that despite the Natuna Islands being universally recognized as Indonesian territory & far from the ultra-disputed coral islands, China (and technically also Taiwan's)South China Sea lines touched and even overlapped Indonesia's (again universally recognized) EEZ at their farthest reaches, which caused tensions between Indonesia and Chinese coast guards.
Indonesian-Chinese relations seem different from Philippine-Chinese relations in that chinese are more aggressive in the wps exclusive economic zone and the Philippine politics is very hostile to perceived Chinese influence. Economic benefits of China is also different between the rest of ASEAN and the Philippines
@@rp-hr1qsChina gets along better with Indonesia because it's neutral, whereas the Philippines even hosts American bases.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn that's what was happening with the current admin but even with duterte's pro-china policy china has always been aggressive. The shift back towards the US's side is because china seems to be more aggressive when PH tries to be on friendly terms with them. China did not see PH as a friend nor an ally so we are forced to use every option available for us. US bases is only a reaction for china's aggressiveness but people try to flip the argument and blame ph alone.
@@Brydsteaxs No one's trying to blame the Philippines. Rather they're seen as a victim and battleground for the contest between China and the US. Kinda like Ukraine, who even supporters of Russia don't blame so much as they take issue with NATO i.e. US.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn that's the same as blaming PH and ukraine. Ukraine's only choice is to side with NATO since russia is always holding a knife at its throat. It's the same with PH, even with the arbitral ruling for our EEZ china seems to be more belligerent with any diplomatic solution presented by PH's side. So, you see, the options are to fight with allies or to fight alone. Either way china pressures PH to bow down to china or fight against them without leaving any leeway. BTW people seem to forget that PH is a treaty ally of the US and whether we host US bases or not both countries are forced to fight alongside each other. That's why hosting US bases is a defense mechanism rather than an act of spite. The Philippines is a victim for it's proximity to its wild neighbor and not as consequence between 2 idiotic superpowers being at each other's throat.
The whole video is great, but the best part is the amazing visual of the nation's maps projected on top of their land. Amazing work as always.
IMHO South China Sea is the pre-WWI Balkans of this century...
While that is a cool comparison indeed, for the sake of humanity, I hope you are NOT right.
@@wraspita dont worry it would be much harder to genocide each other out in the high seas....right?
Nah everyone was cool until CCP got extra grabby.
@@JRAS_ it would be hard before nukes were a thing
but do you see them fighting each other or just China?
Bolivia should have them
As a vietnamese , we claim this island is our but everyone does so basiclly it like some sort of international water which no one want to militarize ,fishmen from all around come and sometime got caught by some others navy , but when china come and massively build naval base and naval partice , that enrage us
China in 50 years when the spratly islands have disappeared due to sea levels risisng: 😡😡😡
They will just build an artificial island on top
They wil have the only islands above sea level at that point.
Yeah sure that's real
you have found the only realistic way to solve the problem: sea level rising!
rip florida
Front Mission 3 introduced me to the crazy politics of this region.
Good taste.
Last week was boeing and Now the hottest geopolitical drama...Protect this man at all costs. Can't believe all this drama is essentially over Fish.
Indonesia also have a territory in Natuna Island which is also claimed by China, so technically there are 7 countries involved in this dispute
Edit: guys stop fighting in the replies lol.
Lol indo is so quiet seems like theres no claims 🤣i know why china trying to buy u guys with those investments
China claims 200 km² of sea not land. Indonesia 🇮🇩 Hope China backtracks on its claim 12 km to the east.
wdym lol. unlike those tiny terrible islands, Natuna is an actual island (2000km2 area) and people actually live there. Almost 100k people live there actually, and it's governed by the Indonesian government.
and it's actually in the natuna sea, not the south china sea. (china claims north natuna sea as china sovereign, not the actual island)
@@URBAN_Resistance
As important as Natuna Island & Sea,
Dispute with China:
1) WON'T LIMIT OUR MOVEMENTS EITHER IT'S CIVILIAN OR MILITARY SHIPS.
2) WON'T BANKRUPT OUR COUNTRY, I mean Indonesia is a member of G20, biggest economy in SEA.
We have A LOT OF SEAS, which means a lot of ALTERNATIVES, unlike your POOR & SMALL country. 😂
I like the detail that when the Chinese claim is outlined in the video, it's always done with a 9-dashed line. Even when it's animated.
I love Wendover videos
FYI: Chinese spelling is not pronounced like French spelling. The Hainan capital of Haikou is pronounced like "hai-koh", not like "haiku".
In hainanese, it will be haihau
Is it ever pragmatic to worry? I'd have thought it's pragmatic to *address* that worry -- making that last line doubly unfortunate for its location in the video. Reminds me a little bit of the first CONNECTIONS series by James Burke, a sweeping history-of-science project with draconian overtones about dystopian futures, in which Burke effectively concluded the whole thing by saying, "So what should you do? I don't know." Thanks ever so much, James.
I learned about these islands a couple decades ago, and the countries claiming them. It was nice to see e video dedicated to it.
Lines on map. Make my day.
In all seriousness though, this is very fascinating to see how each nation decided to claim parts of the South China Sea. It really helped me to understand maybe just a little how this is such a touchy and delicate subject, effecting all nations in the South China Sea.
Jet Lag claiming obscure islands and atolls in South China Sea would be dope
4:40 Did you just say coral? 6-2-1, you have have a new job...
HA i see what u did there
@@ToxikDouche Look at that, you made a friend.
Outstanding music this episode
Another banger my friend
That old US landing ship is pretty sad looking. Throw a new coat of paint on it or something.
They would but China keeps blocking reconstruction supplies from getting to it.
Imagine you are stationed on that derelict, rusted out wreck in the middle of nowhere.
Pinoy can’t afford to house its people in Manila, how can they get to painting a ship? Lmao
@@doujinflip Vietnam managed to expand their island, why not the Philippines. Just Brute Forces it
@@G.A.C_Preservehavent heard of Kalayaan Island? Search for it the poster did not include it to make Phils a lauging stock.
I think this guy and the guy from HAI would get along quite well
Year 2124: China claims Hawaii as its territory as per the historical records of the Ching dynasty
after tibet you'd think nobody would take some action against them...
Makes as much sense as how we got Hawaii lol.
Breaking news, Mongolia claims all of China and Russia as per Genghis Khan's conquest
@@pierredelecto7069Seizing land is always legal in the first-person: We seized it. It is only illegal in the third-person: They seized it.
year 3000: China claims the Milky way
I saw "fight" as "flight" and thought it was odd HAI wasn't the one doing whatever this particular odd quirk in airline transportation would be lol
I don't know why China wouldn't want to seek a compromise as the biggest regional power. It could agree to having the waters be held by nobody to allow safe passage and free trade, and negotiate partnerships or division of resource exploitation rights. Everybody could get something out of this, and stop wasting their time and resources over a bunch of useless islands and non-islands, along with being able to avoid potentially getting dragged into a war with the US over these dumb islands in particular. It just looks like pride to me, and pride cometh before the fall.
That is silly. They rather grab everything
this will surly invite US navy to there and risk blocking the entire south coast sea passage of China.
That's what a single authoritarian state does. The sad thing is, even if some people in power are thinking their current actions are not the way to approach this issue, their broken communist AI will not allow them to back down. And for what? Just so they don't lose face. Imagine destroying nature for absolutely nothing but pride 😢😢
2 words wolf warrior
Every Chinese comment looks like one of the following:
We are strong. You are weak. Yours are mine. Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
Philippines is not a small country, they rank 74th, almost same size as Italy and bigger than New Zealand and UK and they have like 115 million people.
Philippines are not a superpower.
It doesn't matter what is right and wrong it's how much military power you have and what you can force to happen.
And of course wendover starts with aircraft info
geopolitics is a hell of a confusing drug
Finally, someone that recognizes something beyond the obvious BS all these governments talk about
The name 'Taiping island' makes me nervous...
Taiping/Taihei/Taepyeong/Thái Bình literally just means "great peace". The Pacific Ocean is called Taipingyang/Taiheiyou/Taepyeong'yang/Thái Bình Dương in East Asia. The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was called so because they wanted to be known as the "Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace", which is what the name of the country literally means. Yes, it was an ironic name, and so was "Taiping Rebellion" (literally "Rebellion of Great Peace").
You wouldn’t be if you spoke Chinese. Taiping Island is太平岛, the city you’re thinking of is Taipei-- 臺北 in traditional Chinese or 台北 in simplified Chinese.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing I don't think he's thinking of a city, I think he's thinking of the Taiping Rebellion (太平天國運動), AKA the deadliest civil war in human history.
@@ImmortalKitsune That would be a stretch. The Pacific Ocean is 太平洋. Many roads and parks are also called 太平. The word means "eternal peace". It is widely used in China.
@@SomeoneFromBeijing Which isn't common knowledge outside China. What you know isn't what others know.
The amount of coral reef destroyed is astounding
well, starting off with a boeing flight is already .... super dangerous
Somewhat lacking. No mention of the efforts at multilateral resolution of disputes via the efforts are forging a Code of Conduct for the South China Sea, and the power dynamics that have hampered those efforts. Also it doesn't explain how the ASEAN claimants have been cordial with one another on the matter for years.
Oh yes, the one that is only attended by non-claimamts such as Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar? I saw that on TV and I lolled myself so hard that they are agreeing over nothing to be claimed?
Great video, should be shown in the biggest screen in Bamban Tarlac in 4K
Your honor, I don't remember
This is like a footnote or behind the scenes Video for the MapMen Episode to explain more Details.
The important note is, Taiwan is siding with China in this Spratly island dispute. They consider the nine dash line as theirs.
Also, there is southern island of Natuna that China wants to dispute with Indonesia. But Indonesia refuse to negotiate or talk about it at all. since opening any negotiation meaning that the nine dash claim as true.
I don't even have to watch it to know, that oil reserves are in the area
It does suggest why US has plans for 2 more military bases in The Philippines, they already have 5 there.
Even without oil, The Philippines and Taiwan are very close US allies for historical and geopolitical reasons so will likely back their claims.
3.6 billion barrels ain't much tho. Libya produces around 1 million a day, Russia 11 millions a day, Saudi Arabia 12 millions a day and US 15 millions a day. At 10 millions barrels a day - about as much as Russia/Saudi Arabia produces - it would only last a year, and at 1 millions barrels a year - Libyan production - it would last 10 years. It's of course a lot of money, but not worth starting a war over that for China, or for others against China.
Its about oil, but I don't think it's about the oil in the ground. I think the real reason is so that china can have a military presence near the Malacca strait. Because if things kick off, the first thing the US would do is block oil tankers etc sailing through to China.
It would be an engineering feat to extract the oil from beneath the sea floor, not as simple as on land.
China claims James Shoal to be the southern most point of their territory, which it’s not even above the sea level. I am not sure how they manage to push this down to every Chinese national’s throat. Gonna be some next level mental gymnastics.
Of course they will they been doing it for 2000 years like Russia and Prussia it their history. Constantly invade their neighbors claim their land and lie.
One word: nationalism.
Nationalism is used by literally every country in the world to justify their actions. It doesn’t matter if you’re Chinese, American, or even German- you have a national myth that is flimsy at best, but everyone believes it. You might laugh at China’s national myths, but apparently Americans believe they are uniquely free. Honestly, I don’t like nationalism. It’s dumb.
Brainwashing
Taiwan also claims James Shoal to be their southern most point, why there’s no fuffing about it
@NomadMao As per PHs sovereignty handover treaty from US to PH, it specifies that PH does not have sovereignty over anything in the SCS. "I am not sure how they manage to push this down to every PH national’s throat. Thats some next level mental gymnastics".
He neglected to mention that Taiwan is not part of the UN, so they pretty much ignored the Philippines ruling too.
There is no year zero. When the Gregorian calendar was established, it went from 1 BC directly to 1 AD the following year.
No way bro did the Nebula ad when we haven’t seen a logistics of X video in like a year 😅
WOW!
Paracel, Spratley, South China Sea
Man, I know all of these. From Bf4.
Not gonna lie, it's just a beach episode of Balkans
Simultaneously flies to... that's an impressive plane.
Even calling it the south China sea makes it seem like it belongs to them.
Might as well call it the south Taiwan sea to piss them off.
Taiwan sharing the same claims as China to the nine- or ten-dash line is still brazen and should not be accepted either. Many parts of these waters belong to various Southeast Asian countries by UNCLOS and are essential to sustaining the food security and economies of these countries long term.
Yeah I've always said they should rename it the "West Philippine Sea"
@@somekindofhmm Taiwan isn't really looking to claim it all...they are just claiming it because not doing so will give China more strength to take everything in the East Vietnam Sea. I mean West Philippine Sea. I mean North Indonesia Sea.
East Vietnamese Sea
Asian Sea?
These islands are loaded with GUANO. Guano is like Spice in Dune. He who controls the guano will have control over the Empire !
How long was that coma bro 😂😂
Guano is just a fancy word for bird shit
@@theloopholeisntaahol If I remember an old video. There was or maybe still is a South American country that got colonized by Spain long ago because it had a ton of bird shit.
@@theloopholeisntaahol Or bat sh1t. It's also not as lucrative as it once was now they there are other sources of fertilizer at lower costs.
Ever heard of haber-bosch?
4:56 The bottom left corner reads "TEU count circa 2022". However, the numbers on screen are measured in thousands of TEUs, not TEUs.
if watergun fights are fine, that means it's time to deploy metal gear ray
Sam for jet lag you should do a tag across the world that last a week
Land is land, it doesn't have "memory". Who "owns" the land is whoever has the power to defend the land from others.
Funny how that sounds. It's like saying, "Whoever is capable of eating all the 5 boxes of pizza on the table gets all the pizza, and it doesn't matter if the pizza is placed right in front of the person sitting at the edge of the table next to it.
funny how that does't apply to Palestine,
@@k31than That's exactly how it works. Remember the Falklands?
@@drugoviic israrl already has jurisdiction over most of the original UN partition for palestine. It's about in practice vs what is believed.
@@k31than It's actually not that funny because that's how it works.
For the same reason, why despite most countries including US agrees to 1-China policy, most of us with brains understand Taiwan is practically self governed country because it literally rules it. It's also no different than how you will say yes to your boss, or say yes to the IRS even if you don't agree with what they tell you to do.
You still in kindergarten or something where you think you can just complain to the teacher? Welcome to the real world.
I find it funny that people don't understand this. You all talk about dictatorship as if it's the only thing that's evil, and at the same time happily complain about corporations or "elites" (or for those of you in MAGA camp, "deep state").
Audaciousness? I think you mean audacity! 😅
It's easy to see but hard to believe that a fight over these tiny islands and/or Taiwan could escalate ultimately into a nuclear war between superpowers. How absurd!!
Western indo pacific or Philippine sea ,
Or north by south China sea is a tiny 150 mile from shore being very kind to them when saying this but unfortunately they've spent huge money to get people to call a massive exaggerated area this name south China sea.
Ppl see China on a map and overlook the fact its island nations who own more international waters in this sea than China ever has.
This guy did zero historical research and just started putting forward assertions.
@CrasusC just recently in the internet age did I start noticing older millineals referring to it as south China sea far beyond its international waters.
I assume it had something to do with after reagan took pity on China asking us to extend ww2 temporary waivers and help industrialize China and 3rd world nations.
One China policy negotiation, donations to colleges like Muslim oil nations did with unesco and western colleges to get revisionist history curriculum taught.
Buying propaganda starting with young gen similar to what we've witnessed wokism
@CrasusC one thing democracy and free press you can buy all the lobby power to sway speech or change definitions if you pay enough we will take it all then change it back when the money runs dry
Every Chinese comment looks like one of the following:
We are strong. You are weak. Yours are mine. Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
And then they wonder why people don't like China.
Nice made up line, which no chinese ever said.😂😂
@@IamHandsome4u SHUT UP. How many missile do you have? Stop talking and send me your missiles! Otherwise all these islands are mine! 😂😂😂
@@IamHandsome4uHave a look at Chinese social media bro there are always comments like this and way worse than this around. I have seen them first hand while reading Chinese books int their comments sections.
They joke around with 'I cant breathe' they call the N word straight up, they celebrate genocides of other races in stories.
I think that's a US quote except that need to include a liner on "International Rules based Order"
Im not going to lie, the only thing this video has done for me is making me want to play BF4 again
Philippines claiming a disputed island with a rusty ship is hardly any international order.
@15:02 "China was found in the wrong"
By a court in a us colony, how surprising.
@Mastercane98 Be that as it may, China is a signatory and a member of that court. Yet the former deliberately chose to not recognize the latter's ruling.
@@dekialev Because major players don't actually have to listen to any of the shit the UN has to say. This goes for America, this goes for Russia, and yes this also goes for China. In reality international law is primarily a cudgel by which said major player are able to exact a policy of control over minor country's domestic politics, in essence its an oblique method of imperial administration which poses itself as some sort of neutral body for arbitration. Welcome to international law.
@@Mastercane98 I find it funny how crazy Chinese people view literally all of Japan, Philipines, all of Europe and many other places as "US colonies". It says a lot about how distorted they view the world. And also shows how little they understand the concept of pax americana. They think that America rules by fear/force when in reality it holds sway by friendliness, cooperation, and upholding the wishes of other countries.
The Sierra Madre, the pride of the Philippine navy!
This is just a massive game of Anno 2070
The main port of Taiwan is Kaohsiung in the south of it, not Taipei, which is not even on the coast and is in the north, and not even by the South China Sea.
Shockingly, the US is right in the middle of it.🙄
Sierra madre?!?! Fallout new Vegas reference?!?!?? Elijah now holds that Territorial claim!?!?
Also the Philippines capital is called NCR
@@hafizmakiglalis4380 patrolling in Makati almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Time to wipe the slate clean.
3:36 they called the program after Fallout New Vegas casino =)
Well if it's a stalemate, it's good. They all want to protect their trade routes in the end.
Oooh look new plane video! *clicks*
Maybe there is a perfect world where every country has its own EEZ's rights respected and enforced. 😥
But i think the Turkey and Greece situation is unfair for Turkey I guess. Greece owns almost the whole thing if UNCLOS is used, i think it needs to be revise to fix Turkey's EEZ disadvantage.
@tengkualiff This is a topic about sovereignty, not EEZ. Its 2 completely different things.
that beached philippines ship feels like something straight out of a bethesda game
We all need to learn from the Icelandic Coast Guard on how to deal with illegal fishing vessels.
Why is the reach of Han dynasty sovereignty even relevant when it comes to modern day China? You're conceding *so* much by even mentioning that talking point. Does Italy have a right to claim all of Spain, France, England, Egypt, Turkey, the Balkans, and the entirety of northern Africa because the Roman empire once occupied it?
Are you projecting your own bias? This video doesn't justify or validate claims; it just explains the bases of said claims.
@@martin80741 My bias against the the idea a country can claim territory today based on what the borders *may have been* 2000 years ago? Absolutely.
@@calvinmonkeyThe idea is China's, not the video creator's. He is simply explaining how China is trying to justify its claim, not whether it's valid or not
This just in: a volcanic island has just appeared today, China has recently discovered 12 century documents claiming these newly created islands has belonged to China since the 1800’s
Funnily enough, in the Tom Clancy video game/novel "SSN", the plot revolves around China kicking off a shooting war over these Islands with the US due to an untapped oilfield being discovered nearby and seizing the US-flagged oil exploration vessel which made the discovery.
The thing is, that's not an island.
Loooll
China are also provoking Australia. Remember the sonar incident that injured Aussie divers?
They also blasted flares at one of our Naval helicopters a few weeks ago. What did our illustrious leader do? Nothing. Likely didn’t want to question his communist mate
only Malaysia and Brunei interpretation makes sense lmao
The islands themselves have little value, but who controls them controls the see around them (what’s really important) and the oil/gas underneath
UN: "Nobody can have these atolls"
China: "Nuh-uh"