@@Rustyhound-Cartoons he seemed very nervous and he was more conventional than Reggie. He's not bad but people have huge expectations from him, so some were disappointed
Someone gets a final smash: Commentators go crazy 14:30, daisy pulls a Bob-Omb followed by a stitchface, which has a 0.00004449% chance of happening: Commentators:
Jason Denne well in that case they’re just bad commentators... a lot of the stuff they said was just either lame, wrong, or poorly focused. “The mii sword fighter is unique because it controls the edges of the stage” that’s literally every sword fighter tho
Derek Gill no not really, in causal play, a lot more things are going on. Items, bombs, final smashes, daybreak’s, etc. when something that small and rare happens, it’s a lot harder to notice. I didn’t notice either (no, I’m not a causal fan, I love competitive play).
Derek Gill take it with a grain of salt cause nintendo hired them to commentate this “ competitive event”. They probably told them to focus more on plays with items or smash balls instead of actual gameplay. Keep in mind that a lot of the audience were probably causal players. The audience probably didn’t know who these people were or what plays they were making. The commentators were probably told to keep it at their place so they could understand.
@Derek Gill it's a lot higher than 0.0000449% chance. It's about 0.4% chance for a bomb, and 1.8% chance for a stitch face. So the chance is actually about 0.007%. Still a really low chance, just not as low as you said.
when they announced the President of Nintendo of America I was waiting for Reggie as always, because I forgot he retired... my body wasn't ready for this...😔
To all those people who are getting butthurt that this ONE smash tournament uses items & stage morph, while literally all other tournaments have no items, Stop. Please, for the love of god, stop complaining about a single tournament that doesn't have the rules you like. Go watch a different smash tournament if you get salty about items being on. Nintendo turned items on for their tournament for a reason. Items are a huge defining feature of Smash.
Yes, but ask CPU(2008 Evolution Brawl Champion) about how much they covered his weaknesses and how much he didn't deserve it, he would go on to win no other relevant event ever again, and CPU himself admitted to being lucky with items What people want is a single Nintendo run event where they do the traditional community rules with a decent major pot(250k or something), do 1-2 of the tournaments the way they want to do it, and one Professional Smash Cup Final with 32 of the world's top players
@@vDREEGONv You're overlooking the possibility that Nintendo also does marketing with this tournament. The usual competitive ruleset (to be specific: the no item clause) can only ever showcase so much of the game, and therefore doesn't suit the needs here. Another reminder: the competitive community is before anything else a subset of the community, and it should accept they are not alone. Sorry, but this debate is far from over.
This isn't even the first time Nintendo has done this. And I think there is plenty of reason to complain. Items aren't bad in and of themselves when characters like Peach and R.O.B. can summon them with their specials, but random items spawning creates an element of RNG in an environment that is supposed to reward the player playing better. It's the same reason people hated rage in Smash 4, and that was a mechanic WITHOUT RNG. There's also a huge flaw in your argument about how Nintendo shouldn't be going about with the standard competitive ruleset in that Nintendo will ALWAYS get more exposure than events hosted by fans. This gives off the pretense that this is what competitive smash bros is like, by a company that was so against their games being competitive, they even tried to remove it from EVO with Melee. It gives me no hope that Nintendo will ever understand what makes competitive smash tick.
GiraPrimal, the competitive community is the smash community. There is no other community. You’re going to locals and events and watching tournaments at home or you’re having some friends over every couple weeks and play smash in the background. There isn’t really an in between.
@@Campaign2024 The stream viewership disproves that, more people are willing to watch Major pools than watch NA Open finals, and the WC Finals had less viewership(around half) than SnS top 8s the week before
honestly this looks really cool for a competitive play. It's not doubles, but actually a team strike. Seeing gameplay "occasionally" fight around smash ball does actually make it a pretty interesting, such as in the bit where shiek took the risk to get it, but ended up dying as a result. The biggest issue with the smash ball i feel, isn't the item itself, but the super large imbalance between all the final smashes...
Why would you ask that here of all places? I'm not saying I wouldnt' like Mother 3, but this is a smash bros tournament lol. We already know they don't listen to the comments here because they still have items on.
I wonder if people realize that Nintendo was probably trying to market Smash to the more casual player. As a friend of mine put it "If you came to Nintendo's Twitch to watch an entire EVO style bracket that's your first mistake"
No, Sakurai intentionally made the game when returning to it's competitive roots as well as improving rules that endorse competition. The marketing also displayed this with the addition of showing these features in the Directs and Sakurai stating that there will be invitational competitions that invited the best competitive Smash 4 player, Zero. Nintendo is competitive atleast when it comes to Smash
@@vr8652 So the World Championship Final(The SSBU World Ch'ship is a World Cup) was NA-NE(Samsora, Nairo, and Dabuz) with a sub from NA-SW(MKLeo) vs JP(Zackray, Abadango, Shuton) with a sub(Tea) Oh wait, the top players weren't at this tournament, because Australia/New Zealand had their finals on the same day as one of their major regionals(EG7) North America got nobody relevant to enter, and top Canadians were screwed because a National was on the same day as the Finals(B4BC), Japan got top players, and Europe had decent players
@@vDREEGONv Top players in EU, but I wouldn't say that was the best possible team the selectors could have chosen if given the choice, heck other top Germans got themselves knocked out by bad item calls and the best European player didn't make it
When you see the comments, I think most of the people think Super Smash Bros is a game which only uses for competitions. I don't think there is any problem to use items (well low items), because this game is made for fun, for all people who truly likes this game which is not just for strict competitions always, and this is actually what Sakurai wants to see when he starts the project of Super Smash Bros.
@@han-wenliu6176 Basically means randomness. Randomness takes away from the "skill" part of the game. Theoretically, a really good player like Zackray could be beaten by some wifi warrior if the latter manages to obtain a gust bellows. This is the type of problem that items-on can cause. Everybody in the real Smash competitive scene agrees that it should be down to skill and that RNG should be eliminated.
There can be different types of tournaments, guys. Not every tournament has to be no items, not have stage morph, etc. That's what makes Smash so unique and special.
@@WypsotorNyloff have you seen alpharad's casual invitational? It can be fun to watch, but they have such bad awareness of how silly this is, it's taken too seriously
But think of it this way, imagine you get to grand finals of a tournament and then lose because of a poke ball which was some OP Pokémon and it killed you without you being able to do anything about it, would you want items then?
Damn, why is everybody hating on their use of items. This is how Smash was wanted to be played by it's lead director Sakurai. It's also a nintendo run event. Its also still competitive
@@lunarnachoz9083 Casuals that I refer to tend to prefer what most would consider bad rules; things that don't prioritize skill as much and lean more towards randomness and unfairness. (such as items and random stages)
Items are fun, but they can absolutely lean a battle towards a win or a loss based on pure luck alone. No competitive game should have a strong luck factor, and Smash with items does.
Ramen. Because this is a tournament. A show of skill. Items require very little skill, trivialize the game, and add an insane amount of luck. That's why. As for it being a Nintendo run event, we've been asking for a Real Nintendo tournament for years, and they keep giving us this. Unskilled players (except Zackray for some reason, he decided to go) in a non competitive luck based "tournament"
@@anthonycomito3072 They're all just individually much better players. Zackray is easily top 10 in the world. Barely looked like they were even trying tbh. Zackray barely uses joker lmao
That world championship was ultimate! Games are really meant to be fun. Guys, if you don't like items and casual rulesets, these are not for you. Even Touhou does not need fanservice either.
The problem is not that we cannot accept one tornament, but that what is essentially supposed to be the world championship that showes us who is the best does not use a ruleset that allows true skill to be the factor of winning. Also the competetive scene for smash is one of the oldest there is, and the fact that nintendo has not only never showed real support for the smash scene but now they go with their largest tornament ever with a uncompetitive ruleset shows they really don't care about smash's competetive scene. If we could get nintendo's support the esprit would grow to an enormous size, will probably have twice the entrance than any other sport on EVO for example
@@doc8125 Its honestly sad how out of touch nintendo is, even NOW. Sure, they're making some good decisions with patches, but they've also made stupid decisions like nerfing K rool who before nerfs, was mid tier at best. They just look at elite smash. They don't give two dog poops about the tournament scene, especially not top level.
This tournament wasn’t too bad; it’s not perfect, nothing is but it shows what the game is at its core, showing off the features and stuff. It doesn’t have to follow traditional rules. Also it’s more intriguing for onlookers, which it what you want, it catches the eyes more.
It's fine for a World Cup(which let's face it, that's what this was), but it had a distinct amount of top player representation missing, don't tell me a team with 3 of MKLeo, Samsora, Dabuz, Ally, Marss, VoiD, NAKAT, and Tweek wouldn't have beaten this Team Japan NA vs Japan at Frostbite 2019 would have been a fair comparison of the two regions(NA 8-10 JP-Japan wins with 5 stocks), but if EU won, there would have been much objection to the item format screwing a top player like Zackray like what happened to Ken in 2008
This is more fun to watch. The randomness is what makes it fun. Competitive smash is not as fun to watch, but still tense. I guess I prefer fun rules to 'fair' rules.
@@TexelGuy The June Open will feature a more restricted item list, but I find that getting unlucky because a bomb spawned into an attack you were charging to not be fun to watch and incredibly deflating
I mean, a lot of Ultimate's Top Tier characters are women (or have a female alt). No joke: Pikachu, Peach, Daisy, Lucina, Inkling, ZSS, Palutena and PT are all either female or have female alts. It makes sense that there'd be a lot of female characters.
So in this smash tournament set up by Nintendo themselves there is: 3 stocks in which there are 3 different characters? Maps that are banned from the majority of other tournaments Items including final smash
It's almost as if this is how normal people play Smash, or something like that. Also did everyone just forget that items used to be standard in Melee and 64 tournaments?
@@gingerqueer22 "normal people" so what do you call people who don't play with items. and did you forget that they took them out for a very specific reason?
Me seeing title of the video: "Oh, did I miss that?" Me seeing Zackray in the thumbnail: "Oh, nice!" Me seeing 3v3 and 3 characters each: "Oh... well..." Me seeing items on: "I'm out".
@@thepiemaster477 ANZ had the finals on the same day as an already scheduled Regional, and American players had more pressing tournaments going into last weekend(SnS 5)
@@biffyguybiffy6292 But SnS 5 was *last week*, and might have not wanted to enter this so soon after, and Light(GER) and Ghost are still entering the The Kid, The GOAT, The Mango, along with some other highly ranked players, and many of Japan's best are there too The actual conflicting event would have been Battle for BC in Vancouver I'm actually suprised Zackray didn't enter and get an 11am Sunday pool
MKLeo would have made more money by playing in actual tournaments than playing the items on 7 minutes time mode qualifiers. This is why most of the North American pros didn't enter. Also a Canadian major conflicted with the qualifiers.
Eh, fuggit, man. People joining this tournament know what they’re getting themselves into, and it simply promotes a different playstyle. Although rng can reward players, you can be punished for trying to grab items in neutral and having stage control grants you all the items.
At least they have more stages than other tournaments..I'm tired of seeing the same 5 stages over and over again...They should at least use omega and battlefield forms when they use battlefield and final destination.
007GoldenLion Another problem with that is the fact that FD has a smaller blastzone than battlefield, so if the did a battlefield stage on FD, characters with good off the top kills would be too op.
God dang! Who knew watching top players play with items can be quite entertaining! Adds a little twist, strategy and luck in the mix. Seeing this actually doesn't make me mind having Nintendo set up tournaments like this. Besides, we also got Evo for the bigger meatier stuff that most of us watch. If anything, what Nintendo is doing is easing in new players to the competitive scene and helping them have a taste of what it can be like if those new players decide to take it a step further.
THANK YOU! I play standard rulesets most of the time, but I consistently do better with items on. Adaptation is a skill, my dudes. Gotta ride it out. And anyway, there are characters with RNG BUILT INTO THEIR MOVES, so it's not like it's something you can just totally remove in the first place. You'd have to ban Peach, Daisy, Luigi, Mr. Game & Watch and probably others, and even then I'd doubt you'd get rid of it all.
Stathio, there’s a difference between known, controlled odds and 1 of 50 items randomly spawning. You do better with items on because your bad at the game and don’t know how to combo or play neutral so you just wait for a steel diver and camp with Isabelle.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 Beautifully said. With the character specific RNG, you're aware of the risks when you play against the character and can prepare; Luigi has an extremely bad recovery and is easy to edgeguard, but I'm not gonna run off there swinging because there's a chance of a missfire. A Gust Bellows spawning next to my opponent I've just knocked around for 2 stocks is not on the same level.
Here from watching VODs of the hardcore competitive scene, and I gotta say: this looks more like Smash Bros with items on. Makes me remember why I loved the game in the first place... Unfortunately, I can't fully respect the victory.
To all the people saying “oh this is just one tournament let Nintendo embrace the true meaning of smash” Nintendo barely supports the competitive scene at all when it comes to pot prizes. And for them to showcase a tournament that they’ve put time and effort into only for them to ignore the people who forged the competitive scene and people who make a living off of it is insulting.
Dongle Dude wow u competitive lot are annoying they made there own rules to keep it entertaining and to show the different things u can do in smash so sorry that they didn’t only use 3 stages and show smash in its basic form which can be so boring to watch
@@bwaterfall11 Don't you think you're being a little rude and inconsiderate. You might find this fun to watch but a lot of people have also found it annoying. I get the competitive community isn't the only voice but you shouldn't start behaving like them and bashing random people for not agreeing with you.
HoneyMilk, most tournaments use between 6-10 stages. The reason why you find it boring is most likely because you don’t understand it. When you don’t know what “shuton just richter daired a pikmin offstage” means it can be frustrating or boring. But when you actually know what’s happening there isn’t anything better tbh.
@@sizzle5775 well its true why does nintendo have to follow their rules when they make their own tournament its not at all an insult nintendo still have to advertise this game you know they need to show off all the features of the game would be kinda pointless if they showed it in the most basic state
At least they have more stages than other tournaments..I'm tired of seeing the same 5 stages over and over again...They should at least use omega and battlefield forms when playing on final destination and Battlefield.
14:24 I was like "oh cool, he can set up for a 0-to-death turnip combo" but then he just charged F-smash 14:36 Immediate bob-omb into stitch face, what kind of crazy RNG
Doug Bowser’s the type of dude to get hired by accident because of his name, and now he’s just rolling with it
Oh no, are peoples first impression of him not good?
@@Rustyhound-Cartoons he seemed very nervous and he was more conventional than Reggie. He's not bad but people have huge expectations from him, so some were disappointed
@@stratoz6272 That's a shame. Anyone to take over for Reggie would probably be in a difficult spot though to be fair
Rustyhound just look on his Twitter. People have already welcomed him as their new overlord of Nintendo.
I mean it’s his first E3 he wasn’t bad for his E3
Sakurai literally apologizing for Ultimate being so good
We don’t deserve him, he’s too wholesome for this world.
Sakurai is like the Stan Lee of Marvel... 🥺
Good expect for offline single player
Even single player was good
@@scro910 Checks out
the fake smash ball is sakurai's way of saying "Don't believe the rumors/leaks"
Exactly! Sakurai always uses symbolism like that to hint at certain things.
Also, guess when it turns into a fake Smash Ball.....
Right before he starts talking about the DLC CHARACTER ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!
Chase McCrary I can just feel the sarcasm coming out of this lol
@UBF YES
Lol XD!
I love how it is a continent vs one country.
XD
That doesnt mean anything tho lmao
Europe should be a country
@@comradeuro4255 lol
is 3 person vs 3 person indeed
Someone gets a final smash:
Commentators go crazy
14:30, daisy pulls a Bob-Omb followed by a stitchface, which has a 0.00004449% chance of happening:
Commentators:
Derek Gill they probably didn’t notice that it was a stitch face since he threw it right away
Jason Denne well in that case they’re just bad commentators... a lot of the stuff they said was just either lame, wrong, or poorly focused. “The mii sword fighter is unique because it controls the edges of the stage” that’s literally every sword fighter tho
Derek Gill no not really, in causal play, a lot more things are going on. Items, bombs, final smashes, daybreak’s, etc. when something that small and rare happens, it’s a lot harder to notice. I didn’t notice either (no, I’m not a causal fan, I love competitive play).
Derek Gill take it with a grain of salt cause nintendo hired them to commentate this “ competitive event”. They probably told them to focus more on plays with items or smash balls instead of actual gameplay. Keep in mind that a lot of the audience were probably causal players. The audience probably didn’t know who these people were or what plays they were making. The commentators were probably told to keep it at their place so they could understand.
@Derek Gill it's a lot higher than 0.0000449% chance. It's about 0.4% chance for a bomb, and 1.8% chance for a stitch face. So the chance is actually about 0.007%. Still a really low chance, just not as low as you said.
imagine telling people you won a super smash tournament with a m i i
My main is mii gunner
Mii is good bruh
@@ATLTraveler results dont show it
same
my main is myself
Mr. Sakurai run that’s a fake smash ball- oh no he’s got AirPods on
Bernardo Gonzalez lol
What do you mean fake smash ball?
@@DuelingCharisma distraction item?
when japan came with a nicely designed shirt, and team eu came with a blueshirt they got at the last minute. lols
@jorge guzman it is not like those tshirts are expensive. and those members of team eu must have won a few competitions with some money.
Yeah your right! Damn... The EU shirt is so ugly and lazy by comparison.
I assume Nintendo game them the outfits instead of making their own
@jorge guzman @stebopign Yes i guess,I live in belgium (in eu) and the e-sport isn't really as developed and popular as it is in japan or Usa
Less is more
Those Japan players are insane man.
Al chile
Le fishe
Da rock
De boom
le chonk
Nintendo: Uses different rules
Smash Bois: Wait, that's illegal...
Makes you wonder about the whole "rules are meant to be broken" thing.
Ootl what rules were changed?
SMegasM Items on, Smash Meter on, timed instead of stock
@@SMegasM they added items
SMegasM Items are like kryptonite for smash fans.
My boi Doug Bowser with a shirt of his son looking nice.
I need a Bowser shirt 🤔
Bowser Jr is happy 😂
13:06 Omg this guy is a mad man
Lucas Argandoña Indeed
It's so dope to see someone going mad lad with Pit. We don't get enough Pit mains in America.
Indeed... but still that other guy had a jump I don't see why he Up-B'd..
Meh, not a very impressive zero to death
@@doc8125 ok, mister
good-at-videogames
My boy Zackray doesn't even need his team haha. I love this guy : ) He's so nice and polite.
Also, please give us a tournament without items pls.
Idk how they got him to agree to do this tournament lol
@@WypsotorNyloff I definitely would've gone when I was 15. How cool would that be?
@@septimus5202 True but I wouldn't want to risk getting Gust Bellowed monkaS
@@WypsotorNyloff He did decent in JP qualifiers I guess, at least it wasnt ANZ
when they announced the President of Nintendo of America I was waiting for Reggie as always, because I forgot he retired... my body wasn't ready for this...😔
Hode up*
HE RETIRED?!!!!😳😲
@@sakura_pop_soda1627 bro he retired so long ago
@@ENTZY. AWWWW!!!!!! TwT
To all those people who are getting butthurt that this ONE smash tournament uses items & stage morph, while literally all other tournaments have no items,
Stop. Please, for the love of god, stop complaining about a single tournament that doesn't have the rules you like. Go watch a different smash tournament if you get salty about items being on. Nintendo turned items on for their tournament for a reason. Items are a huge defining feature of Smash.
Yes, but ask CPU(2008 Evolution Brawl Champion) about how much they covered his weaknesses and how much he didn't deserve it, he would go on to win no other relevant event ever again, and CPU himself admitted to being lucky with items
What people want is a single Nintendo run event where they do the traditional community rules with a decent major pot(250k or something), do 1-2 of the tournaments the way they want to do it, and one Professional Smash Cup Final with 32 of the world's top players
@@vDREEGONv You're overlooking the possibility that Nintendo also does marketing with this tournament. The usual competitive ruleset (to be specific: the no item clause) can only ever showcase so much of the game, and therefore doesn't suit the needs here.
Another reminder: the competitive community is before anything else a subset of the community, and it should accept they are not alone.
Sorry, but this debate is far from over.
This isn't even the first time Nintendo has done this. And I think there is plenty of reason to complain. Items aren't bad in and of themselves when characters like Peach and R.O.B. can summon them with their specials, but random items spawning creates an element of RNG in an environment that is supposed to reward the player playing better. It's the same reason people hated rage in Smash 4, and that was a mechanic WITHOUT RNG. There's also a huge flaw in your argument about how Nintendo shouldn't be going about with the standard competitive ruleset in that Nintendo will ALWAYS get more exposure than events hosted by fans. This gives off the pretense that this is what competitive smash bros is like, by a company that was so against their games being competitive, they even tried to remove it from EVO with Melee. It gives me no hope that Nintendo will ever understand what makes competitive smash tick.
GiraPrimal, the competitive community is the smash community. There is no other community. You’re going to locals and events and watching tournaments at home or you’re having some friends over every couple weeks and play smash in the background. There isn’t really an in between.
@@Campaign2024 The stream viewership disproves that, more people are willing to watch Major pools than watch NA Open finals, and the WC Finals had less viewership(around half) than SnS top 8s the week before
#TeamJapan For the Win!
Congratulations for Japan
Team Japan is too OP they need to be nerfed hopefully in the next patch update
Zackray carrying the country when shuton isn't here
@@TinyLordCthulhu Switch regions men, many players have been doing that since birth to get a stat boost.
honestly this looks really cool for a competitive play. It's not doubles, but actually a team strike. Seeing gameplay "occasionally" fight around smash ball does actually make it a pretty interesting, such as in the bit where shiek took the risk to get it, but ended up dying as a result. The biggest issue with the smash ball i feel, isn't the item itself, but the super large imbalance between all the final smashes...
3タテを2回するとか流石スマブラを生み出した日本だな 強い
23:28 Okay but are we all gonna ignore the fist bump fail?
My Switch seeing this - Man you would never play like that
This 3v3 style would actually be really interesting to see in competitive smash with items off and legal stages
They're all legal with Battlefield and Omega forms
@@vr8652 Yes, but omega/battlefield forms were not used here, along with the presence of stage transformations.
@@Magmagan so sad that they don't allow all those possible stages with the same structures be banned
It is kind a thing in competetive already, it is called crew battle and is usually 5v5
doc8125, crew battles are traditionally 10v10 but can be modified for any number of players.
Come on, Bowser! Give us Mother 3!
How about this instead *becomes Bowser and burns the guy*
Why would you ask that here of all places? I'm not saying I wouldnt' like Mother 3, but this is a smash bros tournament lol. We already know they don't listen to the comments here because they still have items on.
@@septimus5202 r/woooosh
@@WypsotorNyloff r/ihavereddittoo
@@septimus5202 ok, no woosh
I wonder if people realize that Nintendo was probably trying to market Smash to the more casual player.
As a friend of mine put it "If you came to Nintendo's Twitch to watch an entire EVO style bracket that's your first mistake"
No, Sakurai intentionally made the game when returning to it's competitive roots as well as improving rules that endorse competition. The marketing also displayed this with the addition of showing these features in the Directs and Sakurai stating that there will be invitational competitions that invited the best competitive Smash 4 player, Zero. Nintendo is competitive atleast when it comes to Smash
@@vr8652 So the World Championship Final(The SSBU World Ch'ship is a World Cup) was NA-NE(Samsora, Nairo, and Dabuz) with a sub from NA-SW(MKLeo) vs JP(Zackray, Abadango, Shuton) with a sub(Tea)
Oh wait, the top players weren't at this tournament, because Australia/New Zealand had their finals on the same day as one of their major regionals(EG7) North America got nobody relevant to enter, and top Canadians were screwed because a National was on the same day as the Finals(B4BC), Japan got top players, and Europe had decent players
@@insertcolorherehawk3761 😴😴😴😴
Oh I'm sorry what did I miss?
@@insertcolorherehawk3761 Excuse me Light and RobinGG are top EU players, they are not decent THEY ARE GOOD. Get your facts straight sir.
@@vDREEGONv Top players in EU, but I wouldn't say that was the best possible team the selectors could have chosen if given the choice, heck other top Germans got themselves knocked out by bad item calls and the best European player didn't make it
14:38 so are we not gonna talk about how he pulled a bomb and then a stitch right after?
Seeing RobinGG and Konbu were so awesome!
Nintendo: “Wdym this *IS* competitive! We turned off stage hazards!”
Baby steps Daniel, baby steps. : )
lol
real competitive rules suck tbh
@@louisst-amand9207 how.
I find That Real competitive takes more skill
When you see the comments, I think most of the people think Super Smash Bros is a game which only uses for competitions. I don't think there is any problem to use items (well low items), because this game is made for fun, for all people who truly likes this game which is not just for strict competitions always, and this is actually what Sakurai wants to see when he starts the project of Super Smash Bros.
Games are made for fun. But it is much more interesting and fun for most people when it isn't down to item RNG.
Septimus Sorry, what's RNG stands as?
Then the game doesn't boil down to only skill and more luck (not all)
@@han-wenliu6176 Basically means randomness. Randomness takes away from the "skill" part of the game. Theoretically, a really good player like Zackray could be beaten by some wifi warrior if the latter manages to obtain a gust bellows. This is the type of problem that items-on can cause. Everybody in the real Smash competitive scene agrees that it should be down to skill and that RNG should be eliminated.
@@han-wenliu6176 Random Number Generator. Basically Luck.
There can be different types of tournaments, guys. Not every tournament has to be no items, not have stage morph, etc. That's what makes Smash so unique and special.
RED ALERT. RED ALERT. CASUAL SPOTTED.
@@WypsotorNyloff have you seen alpharad's casual invitational? It can be fun to watch, but they have such bad awareness of how silly this is, it's taken too seriously
But think of it this way, imagine you get to grand finals of a tournament and then lose because of a poke ball which was some OP Pokémon and it killed you without you being able to do anything about it, would you want items then?
I agree. I just wish there were competitive and casual official Nintendo tournaments.
@@owenlewis9261 as a casual tourney the alpharad one is so much better, because all matches had stocks
I'm happy these smash tournaments exist please to keep it up Nintendo
14:36 Did you just waste a bomb and a stitch face?
I'm just as triggered, friend.
WHAAATTTT??
IN A ROW!!!
H threw them in the right direction at least.
Actually the bomb was good but Kuro got a nice block with the z grab
At the very least Sakurai turned off tripping : )
Septimusv
That was a while ago, yeah
It’s been exactly a decade dude..
Damn, why is everybody hating on their use of items. This is how Smash was wanted to be played by it's lead director Sakurai. It's also a nintendo run event. Its also still competitive
RED ALERT. RED ALERT. CASUAL SPOTTED.
What's the problem of being casual though?
@@lunarnachoz9083 Casuals that I refer to tend to prefer what most would consider bad rules; things that don't prioritize skill as much and lean more towards randomness and unfairness. (such as items and random stages)
Items are fun, but they can absolutely lean a battle towards a win or a loss based on pure luck alone. No competitive game should have a strong luck factor, and Smash with items does.
Ramen. Because this is a tournament. A show of skill. Items require very little skill, trivialize the game, and add an insane amount of luck. That's why. As for it being a Nintendo run event, we've been asking for a Real Nintendo tournament for years, and they keep giving us this. Unskilled players (except Zackray for some reason, he decided to go) in a non competitive luck based "tournament"
"Any character is viable"
The whole roster turns around and looks at little mac...
I don't know who that woman was, but her commentary was awful 😂
@Eddie Soto There's no way that's Kels she's a competitive player and this woman specifically says she has no idea what's going on.
why don't pros use little mac?
@@fluteisland he's bad at a high level
@@fluteisland he is bad at all levels (im a mac main]
This is legit, so cool that Nintendo is doing this.
not legit, the rules used are a joke
@@makise8348 items on=more fun
@@anthonycomito3072 items on = RNG = less skill
@@azerty9175 then why the team with most skill win?
@@anthonycomito3072 They're all just individually much better players. Zackray is easily top 10 in the world. Barely looked like they were even trying tbh. Zackray barely uses joker lmao
Me: Oh yeah, zackray was in smash summit
Also Me: *sjrjon is definitely gonna win*
That world championship was ultimate! Games are really meant to be fun.
Guys, if you don't like items and casual rulesets, these are not for you. Even Touhou does not need fanservice either.
The problem is not that we cannot accept one tornament, but that what is essentially supposed to be the world championship that showes us who is the best does not use a ruleset that allows true skill to be the factor of winning. Also the competetive scene for smash is one of the oldest there is, and the fact that nintendo has not only never showed real support for the smash scene but now they go with their largest tornament ever with a uncompetitive ruleset shows they really don't care about smash's competetive scene. If we could get nintendo's support the esprit would grow to an enormous size, will probably have twice the entrance than any other sport on EVO for example
@@doc8125 Its honestly sad how out of touch nintendo is, even NOW. Sure, they're making some good decisions with patches, but they've also made stupid decisions like nerfing K rool who before nerfs, was mid tier at best. They just look at elite smash. They don't give two dog poops about the tournament scene, especially not top level.
This tournament wasn’t too bad; it’s not perfect, nothing is but it shows what the game is at its core, showing off the features and stuff. It doesn’t have to follow traditional rules. Also it’s more intriguing for onlookers, which it what you want, it catches the eyes more.
It's fine for a World Cup(which let's face it, that's what this was), but it had a distinct amount of top player representation missing, don't tell me a team with 3 of MKLeo, Samsora, Dabuz, Ally, Marss, VoiD, NAKAT, and Tweek wouldn't have beaten this Team Japan
NA vs Japan at Frostbite 2019 would have been a fair comparison of the two regions(NA 8-10 JP-Japan wins with 5 stocks), but if EU won, there would have been much objection to the item format screwing a top player like Zackray like what happened to Ken in 2008
InsertColorHereHawk, why Nakat? He seems like an odd one out there.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 I was giving a SnS 5 Top 8 with Tweek in for Wizzy
This is more fun to watch. The randomness is what makes it fun. Competitive smash is not as fun to watch, but still tense. I guess I prefer fun rules to 'fair' rules.
@@TexelGuy The June Open will feature a more restricted item list, but I find that getting unlucky because a bomb spawned into an attack you were charging to not be fun to watch and incredibly deflating
Notice how often items are just thrown off the stage? The players don't want them, Nintendo.
notice how often items are use (i hate items)
They should
@@Psicokass y
Nintendo sending people to Evo? Imagine
I love this game Sakuri did so well on this game
Dang the EU team really likes their female characters lmao
They are also crazy buff especially Light.
lol
Light did pick Mario in Squad Strike but he one before using him
Ecl1psed276 theyre also tier whores.
And Japan team picks male characters againts female are the true man of culture as well
I mean, a lot of Ultimate's Top Tier characters are women (or have a female alt).
No joke: Pikachu, Peach, Daisy, Lucina, Inkling, ZSS, Palutena and PT are all either female or have female alts. It makes sense that there'd be a lot of female characters.
Zackrays op didnt even watch this yet or will
Nintendo tournaments: has items on,even smash balls
Melee experts: *wait that’s not how smash works*
ocean eyes
Every competitive smash player : wait something’s gone wrong
So in this smash tournament set up by Nintendo themselves there is:
3 stocks in which there are 3 different characters?
Maps that are banned from the majority of other tournaments
Items including final smash
Yes... A shame. The Japanese team was certainly superior, but the final stock was theft: daybreaker + giant shroom. Sheer luck win.
It's almost as if this is how normal people play Smash, or something like that.
Also did everyone just forget that items used to be standard in Melee and 64 tournaments?
@@gingerqueer22 "normal people" so what do you call people who don't play with items.
and did you forget that they took them out for a very specific reason?
Ah yes, tournament rules. Yoshi's Island (hazardless), the most powerful items turned on, Fire Emblem only.
Give us the legendary (Okami Amaterasu) as a playable character in Super Smash Bros ultimate, the wolf shall awaken and howls into battle! 🐺🐺🐺
Even though these have items I still can’t help but feel hype for some of these matches
Super smash bros is sure satisfying and it feels really good
25:14 BOWSER BOWSER BOWSER
c o n g r a t u l a t i o n s
*clink*
A moderfukin reggie reference
Dude, me and my friend was there, and I have truly witnessed an amazing experience of Smash Bros. tournament for the first time to my naked eyes.
Lol, cool
Go to Evo 2019 :)
@@WypsotorNyloff Oof… Low blow to melee haha.
Wypsotor Nyloff, why do you keep plugging Evo? CEO is much closer.
Did nobody notice he pulled a stitch right after the bomb at 14:37?
Y'all reaching too hard, what if the Fake Smash Ball means nothing?
It probably means nothing.
12:59 Yasss Pit Mains Unite!!!!
Wow...legends...i cant take in how good they are omg
10:08 KABOOM
Nintendo:puts items in a tournament
Also Nintendo:removes items and hazards in in-game tournaments
aw our first smash bros competition without reggie :( good job though bowser!
😭😢😢😢😢
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This wasn’t competitive
Finally some JOKER ACTION!!!!
We literally just saw joker win two supermajors: Momocon and Smash n Splash. Where have you been?
Wypsotor Nyloff, most likely just a casual viewer and player.
@@WypsotorNyloff I know that. I'm talking about Joker using both Arsene and the All Out Attack Final Smash in this tournament
Me seeing title of the video: "Oh, did I miss that?"
Me seeing Zackray in the thumbnail: "Oh, nice!"
Me seeing 3v3 and 3 characters each: "Oh... well..."
Me seeing items on: "I'm out".
I see zackray i see this tournament is already over before it starts. Unless they invite mkleo ofc.
It wasn't about invitation. This tournament had several qualifying rounds before this.
@@thepiemaster477 ANZ had the finals on the same day as an already scheduled Regional, and American players had more pressing tournaments going into last weekend(SnS 5)
InsertColorHereHawk, sns5 did not conflict with the Nintendo championship finals. The American finals were at pax (I think)
@@biffyguybiffy6292 But SnS 5 was *last week*, and might have not wanted to enter this so soon after, and Light(GER) and Ghost are still entering the The Kid, The GOAT, The Mango, along with some other highly ranked players, and many of Japan's best are there too
The actual conflicting event would have been Battle for BC in Vancouver
I'm actually suprised Zackray didn't enter and get an 11am Sunday pool
MKLeo would have made more money by playing in actual tournaments than playing the items on 7 minutes time mode qualifiers. This is why most of the North American pros didn't enter. Also a Canadian major conflicted with the qualifiers.
FOR THE LAST TIME NINTENDO! ITEMS AREN"T SUPPOSED TO BE USED IN COMPETITIVE TOURNAMENTS!
Eh, fuggit, man. People joining this tournament know what they’re getting themselves into, and it simply promotes a different playstyle. Although rng can reward players, you can be punished for trying to grab items in neutral and having stage control grants you all the items.
Despite the ruleset being trash, this is super fun to watch! Its such a mixup from the same 10 stages and combos.
They’re using my rules for playing smash 64.
*_Might as well copyright them for doing so._*
Didn't even KNOW SGK (Kels) was a freaking COMMENTATOR for the Sma5h finals! So awesome! 🤩❤
14:36 dude got a bomb-omb and a stitch face. Wild
i love when nintendo really understands the fanbase and has a tourney with 3v3 and items on max. thanks nintendo, very cool
Items were definitely not on max. They were quite scarce.
@@daniely2125 It's all about Casual not Competitive
KirbyS4983 wasn’t my point but go off
I don't think you've played with items on max.
Nintendo doesn’t know what competitive means.
RNG? Now THAT is something Nintendo understands.
At least they have more stages than other tournaments..I'm tired of seeing the same 5 stages over and over again...They should at least use omega and battlefield forms when they use battlefield and final destination.
007GoldenLion issue with omega and battlefield is copyright for music
007GoldenLion Why? There’s no reason to do so, battlefield will be battlefield, and FD will be FD.
007GoldenLion Another problem with that is the fact that FD has a smaller blastzone than battlefield, so if the did a battlefield stage on FD, characters with good off the top kills would be too op.
SuperSanicSpeed, that isn’t how omega and battlefield stages work.
It's so refreshing to see a competitive scene use items. I wonder what items are disabled.
None of them, which is an issue when some items can spawn while you charge an attack
They only disabled pokeballs, masterballs and throphies (thankfully, because throphies are waaay too broken haha)
He said cloud with the buster sword but it's clearly his fusion sword damn casual announcer
I am suprised that Gluttony isn't there to represent Europe. Zack Ray easily took this for Japan
Probably because he realized it wasn't worth it with items : /
27:36 TWO MORE DAYS MY BOIS
I remember in Halo 2 whenever you got matched with someone who had a gamer rag you couldn’t read it was game over. Incredible lol. :)
jp has got zackray in which world is this fair lmaoooo
Came here to see what characters professionals use... stayed to see Japan win.
Did not disappoint.
I love how the Japan needs a whole continent to match with them.
Bruh moment
cause the items or what
r/beetlejuicing
Cause bobomb to stitch to no comment combo
You want matches without items?
Wait for evo in the next 2 months or the endless number of tournaments out there.
I think it’d be cool if there was a Nintendo sponsored tournament that’s actually skill based idk
I think the vast majority of people are just frustrated that Nintendo doesn't understand its own game's competitive scene.
@@WypsotorNyloff Nintendo knows, but they use these to cater to more casual players, they aren't trying to host a normal tournament
@@Eric-ns1cq True. Nintendo Uses it to Cater more Casual Players. They've won't try to host a Normal Tournament
@UBF I agree with you, I don't think they are the best rule sets, but that's the reason why Nintendo is doing it.
2020 will be an 8 player Battle Royale with all the top Smash Bros pros and celebs who can play Smash.
Glad nintendo have his own tournament rules. It changes from others
It's also a statement from Nintendo that they still don't intend to support the broader competitive community.
@@pizzashark7067 It's a statement that they don't want to encourage being boring bastards and never having fun with a game.
@@Stathio Then it's remarkable how well-attuned Nintendo is to your narrow concept of fun.
@@pizzashark7067 I understand your statement but it's boring to watch the same stage over and over again
@@MajoraJeff The competitive scene uses several different stages. I'm not sure which stage exactly bores you.
There are only 2 things in this world that are free.
1. Air we breathe
2. First 2 guys on the Europe team.
I miss reggie but still i hope bowser does good i really like him👍👌
Wait is this Bowser guy the new president for America
@@MajoraJeff yes he is the new president
That Japanese kid with the glasses was a monster lol.
How do you not know who Zackray is lmao. It’s one thing that he’s the best in Japan, but it’s another that they said his name like 20 times
Sorry, I don't spend all my time watching OTHER people playing games...
@@Masquerade_64 Alr what do you like to do then
Damn these guys are crazy good, I struggle with a level 5 comp😂
God dang! Who knew watching top players play with items can be quite entertaining! Adds a little twist, strategy and luck in the mix. Seeing this actually doesn't make me mind having Nintendo set up tournaments like this. Besides, we also got Evo for the bigger meatier stuff that most of us watch. If anything, what Nintendo is doing is easing in new players to the competitive scene and helping them have a taste of what it can be like if those new players decide to take it a step further.
Only one player here was a top player.
Allowing Items doesn't make it less competitive, being able to adapt to RNG is a skill too, y'all just salty.
Adapting is one thing but a bomb omb spawning on top of you for no reason and taking your stock isn’t something you can adapt to.
THANK YOU! I play standard rulesets most of the time, but I consistently do better with items on. Adaptation is a skill, my dudes. Gotta ride it out.
And anyway, there are characters with RNG BUILT INTO THEIR MOVES, so it's not like it's something you can just totally remove in the first place. You'd have to ban Peach, Daisy, Luigi, Mr. Game & Watch and probably others, and even then I'd doubt you'd get rid of it all.
Stathio, there’s a difference between known, controlled odds and 1 of 50 items randomly spawning.
You do better with items on because your bad at the game and don’t know how to combo or play neutral so you just wait for a steel diver and camp with Isabelle.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 Beautifully said. With the character specific RNG, you're aware of the risks when you play against the character and can prepare; Luigi has an extremely bad recovery and is easy to edgeguard, but I'm not gonna run off there swinging because there's a chance of a missfire. A Gust Bellows spawning next to my opponent I've just knocked around for 2 stocks is not on the same level.
14:36 *THAT LUCK*
A bomb, then a sitch, dear lord, missed 'em both smh
Ah yes, the "HOWEVER" guy makes a return
Here from watching VODs of the hardcore competitive scene, and I gotta say: this looks more like Smash Bros with items on. Makes me remember why I loved the game in the first place... Unfortunately, I can't fully respect the victory.
To all the people saying “oh this is just one tournament let Nintendo embrace the true meaning of smash” Nintendo barely supports the competitive scene at all when it comes to pot prizes. And for them to showcase a tournament that they’ve put time and effort into only for them to ignore the people who forged the competitive scene and people who make a living off of it is insulting.
Dongle Dude wow u competitive lot are annoying they made there own rules to keep it entertaining and to show the different things u can do in smash so sorry that they didn’t only use 3 stages and show smash in its basic form which can be so boring to watch
@@bwaterfall11 Don't you think you're being a little rude and inconsiderate. You might find this fun to watch but a lot of people have also found it annoying. I get the competitive community isn't the only voice but you shouldn't start behaving like them and bashing random people for not agreeing with you.
@@bwaterfall11 that was not his point you idiot
HoneyMilk, most tournaments use between 6-10 stages.
The reason why you find it boring is most likely because you don’t understand it. When you don’t know what “shuton just richter daired a pikmin offstage” means it can be frustrating or boring. But when you actually know what’s happening there isn’t anything better tbh.
@@sizzle5775 well its true why does nintendo have to follow their rules when they make their own tournament its not at all an insult nintendo still have to advertise this game you know they need to show off all the features of the game would be kinda pointless if they showed it in the most basic state
Imagine getting to the world final and getting utterly destroyed in the first match. Must be rough
Girl screaming hella hilarious
a great contest 💖
At least they have more stages than other tournaments..I'm tired of seeing the same 5 stages over and over again...They should at least use omega and battlefield forms when playing on final destination and Battlefield.
U can as long as the stage is dark so it covers some characters' moves. But most players just play on standard fd and standard battlefield
Most of the FD/Battlefield versions are allowed in tornament. Only a few are banned because they mess with z axis
Felt like I was watching 100 Thieves again... lol
14:24 I was like "oh cool, he can set up for a 0-to-death turnip combo" but then he just charged F-smash
14:36 Immediate bob-omb into stitch face, what kind of crazy RNG
Super smash is my fav Nintendo game! So entertaining! ❤❤❤
Items for life
*1st round happens*
*me talking to my grandchildren*
"Legend says wario and wolf are still waiting for joker to share their turn"
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Hahaha, you know it
Lol
I don’t know what you guys are saying but that was actually kinda hype, at least relatively compared to the other Nintendo owned tournaments