The Mosquito Hotend is... wild!

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  • Slice Engineering are making a hotend with a radical (and logical) design change over what we've been using on our 3D printers!
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  • @EFLO3D
    @EFLO3D 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This just shows how much innovation we still have to go in the 3d printing realm, even with the technology we all know and love.

  • @oliverer3
    @oliverer3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    That hotend is just a little cheaper than my first printer!

    • @mailtome7654
      @mailtome7654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      You pay for the quality they said :) I say, you pay for USA production, and it doesn't always mean quality.

    • @Aethelbeorn
      @Aethelbeorn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mailtome7654 They do look slick. I'd buy one to try out.

    • @tonyradle8747
      @tonyradle8747 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looks great but yeah. $150 for it is just way too much. Id love to see more coming to market that are similar.

  • @tinkertv
    @tinkertv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    They have a pretty smart design to be sincere, but I really think they do not need a patent for this :)).
    Thanks for sharing new and cool stuff from this faires where not all of us can arrive, Tom! I hope you have a great time there!

    • @MeatLeBeef
      @MeatLeBeef 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@sharpnesstherapy502 The point he made is that he thought they _wouldn't_ need a patent for it

    • @thomasclerc5690
      @thomasclerc5690 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      SharpNess Therapy and ? In what manner does it change the relevance of his comment?

    • @lapidations
      @lapidations 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Why wouldn't them make a patent? It's innovative and useful, and has cost a lot of work and research for them to make their hotend. I'd make a patent if I was them, no doubt.

    • @Anonymouspock
      @Anonymouspock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@lapidations because patents are bullshit. Tell you what, I bet if I can't go on AliExpress and buy a clone today, I will be able to in a year. So the patent costs a lot of money, prevents competitors from offering something similar, and doesn't even stop cloning.
      Do you know why RepRap started in 2005ish? The Stratasys patent on FDM expired around that time, allowing for innovation. This is why the community doesn't like patents generally. Not to mention the incident where MakerBot patented a belt based build plate with perpendicular z axis and never actually commercialized it.

    • @tinkertv
      @tinkertv 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sharpnesstherapy502 I know it is pending, but with or without the work they put in it, it will end up on some open-source 3D printers anyway. How many NOT open-source 3D printers do you see on the market right now? Ultimaker and Makerbot are way out of business... The closed-source is not the way to go....
      Thanks for your opinion :)

  • @MadeWithLayers
    @MadeWithLayers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Product links for the Mosquito are in the video, description, as always ;-)

  • @DaveDarin
    @DaveDarin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just added this combo Bondtech LGX with the Mosquito to my Voron 0.1 and I am very very satisfied. Prints are amazing and I am told that this combo is not a typical choice for a Voron, especially not a 0.1, When I start building my Voron 2.4 I will surely have this combo on that unit as well.

  • @BladeScraper
    @BladeScraper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I have the Mosquito on my printer. Absolutely incredible engineering and quality. Like Chris said about unscrewing/screwing in the nozzle, that is my biggest gripe about E3D hotends, what he said is spot on and what they did on the Mosquito to solve that is my favorite part about it. On top of that, it's lighter and more compact than the V6 hotend. The quality of machining is top notch and nothing comes close to it. The hotend also handles extremely high flow, I print with it with PLA at 150mm/s with 0.3mm layers with zero issues. It's incredible. I plan on getting another one for another printer and printing PEEK/Ultem.

    • @titaniumapple1
      @titaniumapple1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which printer do you use it on? Any vids? Thanks!

    • @ydoucare55
      @ydoucare55 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is really a very nicely engineered and machined piece. I was impressed when I received mine. Really makes the whole V6 system feel antiquated.

    • @vrocv6411
      @vrocv6411 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@titaniumapple1 most likely he's using a railcore ii, around $1700 for the kit with the magnum mosquito hotend

  • @csoup50
    @csoup50 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The high temp capability is really awesome. I also dig that it doesn't need as much retraction. I feel like they are on to something...

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PRiMETECHAU The mosquito is rated to 350C with their 25w heater cartridge, with the cartridge actually being the limiting factor thus far.

    • @tonpa8888
      @tonpa8888 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MattWeber A typical e3D V6 can handle temperatures up to 500°C if you use a thermocouple instead of the normal thermistor.
      That's what I call high temperatures.

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tonpa8888 yup which in the end puts you at the same price point all said and done as the stock cartridge on the V6 doesnt get that hot I have seen (mine has issues staying over 325 if ANY air movement in even a closed chamber, including just the print head moving around). While you could also go hotter with the mosquito with a higher wattage cartridge, while keeping a much smaller form factor, hence their fanless option they are about to offer for even hotter printing materials.. meanwhile the current filament options dont require much more than 350C anyhow. The v6 may be able to heat up that hot but the cooling design has a hard time handling it without conducting the heat further north thru the cooling fins and risking issues with the mounting points IME also. The mosquito the heat stays VERY localized at the heat block in comparison.

    • @SliceEngineering
      @SliceEngineering 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PRiMETECHAU The Mosquito is rated to 450C which covers any available thermoplastics :)

  • @dfloyd888
    @dfloyd888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This will be instrumental in making PEEK, Ultem, PEKK, and other materials possible for a lot less cash than what current PEEK printers sell for. I wish more printers used these nozzles. Just the fact that one doesn't risk shearing off wires makes this worth it, especially if one changes nozzles for various widths often.

  • @MAKEMEA
    @MAKEMEA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice idea, I found changing nozzles frustrating on the CR10 so I made a quick change Volcano hotend the "MAD MAX V8 interceptor" 😆😂

  • @videblu
    @videblu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think this is a really important step in the right direction. Can't believe e3d never realized that structural heatbreaks were a silly idea.

    • @jasonking7570
      @jasonking7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, from the looks of it, *nobody* thought of it before

  • @Afro3dprinter
    @Afro3dprinter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Looking good, a very interesting Hotend

  • @MegaMaking
    @MegaMaking 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    this is an interesting take on a hotend!

  • @zarster
    @zarster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The hype is real!

  • @misomalu
    @misomalu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Strongly considering buying one of these. I replaced the E3D V6 in my i3 MK3 with a Volcano, which has been working pretty well, except for the heatbreak coming loose due to nozzle changes.

  • @nzalog
    @nzalog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like this. Wonder if there is much deviation in length after a nozzle change.
    What I'm getting at is if you use a Z probe, will you have to mess with the z offset or if you can get away with simple changing it out and printing right after.

    • @BladeScraper
      @BladeScraper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a printer equipped with a Mosquito and BLTouch. Changed nozzles a dozen times and never had to mess with offset at all.

  • @BalloonSchool
    @BalloonSchool ปีที่แล้ว

    Are these hotends also available for Prusa Minis?

  • @mukhtarramadhan2886
    @mukhtarramadhan2886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Tom. Nice to meet you.
    Could you explain about patent for this hotend? How can they patent the product? While e3d is open hardware?

    • @jasonking7570
      @jasonking7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, I mean.... this isn't the same design as the V6. The answer to your question is literally just that E3D chose not to patent their design, while Slice Engineering did

  • @ImGriffinP
    @ImGriffinP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks awesome. Paired with their custom style Bondtech BMG, I am sure it is quite the setup

  • @quentincassier8472
    @quentincassier8472 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Could be a great idea to have perfect alignement in dual hotend setup !

    • @BladeScraper
      @BladeScraper 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes indeed. They even have a diagram showing a dual Mosquito setup on their site.
      static1.squarespace.com/static/59a4d01ee3df28f38e1f2abd/t/5ab991298a922d0efd9c39a6/1522110761811/Mosquito+dual+extrusion.PDF

  • @shaiss1
    @shaiss1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agreed it's so awesome. I bought the magnum!

    • @airborn101st
      @airborn101st 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you were able to go back, would you get the mosquito magnum again? or would you get the regular? Im kind of on the fence.

    • @shaiss1
      @shaiss1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@airborn101st definitely the magnum. In talking to lots of ppl @mrrf the consensus was if I'm ever going to use nozzles .5 and up go magnum. .4 and lower go regular.

    • @wandererstraining
      @wandererstraining 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shaiss1 That's really good to know, thanks! I'm going to get the magnum.

  • @id104335409
    @id104335409 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Quite the price to be able to unscrew the nozzle with one jand.

  • @2robotguy
    @2robotguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So current E3D hotends are $67 and these are $150. Is $80 more worth only using 1 wrench?

  • @LucasHaither
    @LucasHaither 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A W E S O M E !!! I hate switching nozzles because of that. THXXX

  • @brainfarth
    @brainfarth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I make awesome things on my cr-10. Other than my issue with very small things, why would I transfer to this end at that price?

  • @faxxzc
    @faxxzc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I really like this. I recently ranted so hard that on the v6, everytime you unscrew the nozzle, the heatbreak comes out.

    • @dfloyd888
      @dfloyd888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I see so many people shearing their thermisters and heater cartridges on those. Just the fact that I don't have to worry about that makes this tempting.

    • @AndrewGillard
      @AndrewGillard 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dfloyd888 Yeeeeppppp, I've snapped the wires on several thermistor cartridges & heater cartridges on my V6, and it's so frustrating, especially since I'm using a PT100 sensor and one of E3D's green-insulation high-precision heater cartridges, so it gets expensive replacing those >.> I actually globbed a load of "gasket maker" silicone (stuff that can withstand temperatures beyond 300°C) around my PT100 & heater cartridge wires when I last replaced everything, hoping that the silicone would act as a strain relief and help prevent the wires snapping. So far so good, but my printer's been out of action for unrelated reasons since October, so I've not swapped nozzles too much yet with that silicone in place...
      Not to mention that the heatsink+heat-break+heater-block combination often comes unscrewed to some extent and the only real way to tighten it all up again is to disassemble the whole extruder body (on a Prusa i3 MK2/MK3 anyway)! I've seen that E3D now sell a blue version of the V6 heatsink that has a screw thread at the top instead of the groove-mount (e3d-online.com/v6-threaded-heatsink). I've not been able to find any existing remixes of the Prusa i3 MK2/2.5/3 extruder body that utilise the threaded heatsink, but if someone (maybe me) were to create one, that should at least stop the heatsink rotating!

    • @AnubisSolvang
      @AnubisSolvang 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do all of you only have one hand?

    • @erispe
      @erispe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AnubisSolvang I find it tricky to get a good grip on the heat block with plyers without them slipping. I never feel like I'm danger of snapping wires though, but It's enough to make me hate swapping nozzles.

    • @AnubisSolvang
      @AnubisSolvang 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@erispe if a mosquito hot end helps you then I really have no say. Everyone is different and so is most of our printers. Fun community to be in, I just don't agree with obscene prices for what seems to me an arbitrary problem.

  • @NielsNL68
    @NielsNL68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice, but how does it work? I mean how easy can you change the nossle now?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't need to counter-torque at the heatbreak to undo the nozzle - the outer standoffs provide enough strength for that.

    • @DavidSmith-gplus
      @DavidSmith-gplus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MadeWithLayers Don't they carry heat up into the extruder body? I assume they are made of metal and conductive?

  • @FABIZN7
    @FABIZN7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the price is higher now ?

  • @titaniumapple1
    @titaniumapple1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting that he mentioned that they expect more heated build chambers to be made... EXTREMELY interested in those! That's the KEY to repeatable prints with no warping! I know Stratasys have patents but the Zortrax Inventure has active heating so there must either be be ways around them, licensed from Stratasys or maybe the patents run out soon? Anyone know any printers besides the high high end ones that have actively heated chambers?

  • @JackLe1127
    @JackLe1127 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Doesn't the CR-10's hot end already have the "anti-rotation" mount where they have 2 screws going up through the heater block to the heat break?

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pretty much.

    • @MakingwithLuke
      @MakingwithLuke 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@infernaldaedra yes, but heat is transferred into the heatblock, causing issues. this screws into a purely mechanical component, which is not thermally active in any way

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MakingwithLuke It has been tested and shown to not make any significant impact either way on the creality hotend.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Odious Ritual that’s weird, cause a lot of people complain about it making a difference. And I really don’t see how it wouldn’t.

    • @MakingwithLuke
      @MakingwithLuke 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@infernaldaedra oh ok, I had heard some things, but don't have one myself. I know theoretically more heat will be transferred, but in reality, they may have solved the issue

  • @alfredanil
    @alfredanil 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hallo Tom
    Would be interesting to see a review of TMC5160 drivers and also some heads up for Trinamic's brand new integrated controller driver TMC5161. The later seems really interesting with integrated mosfets. Pretty sure watterott electronic would come up with a silent step stick with TMC5161.

  • @genau14zeichen
    @genau14zeichen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thomas, was sagst du eigentlich zum neuen 3D-Drucker vom Fraunhofer-Institut? Die stellen den ja gerade auf der Hannovermesse vor und das Ding sieht echt verdammt interessant aus.

  • @OmarGarcia-ef8mj
    @OmarGarcia-ef8mj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what about the nova hotend?

  • @markleppens620
    @markleppens620 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    can it build on anycubic i3 mega and is it a 12 volt or 24. i don't now wat to chose on the website of matterhackers? is it worth to buy?

  • @elmariachi5133
    @elmariachi5133 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what is that black 'clamp' made of, where the additional four bolts go in? Is it ceramics? Or titanium?

    • @SliceEngineering
      @SliceEngineering 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The black part is an anodized aircraft grade aluminum heat sink. There are only two bolts that enter that heat sink, the other four posts are hollow tubes to reduce conductive heat transfer away from the hot block.

    • @elmariachi5133
      @elmariachi5133 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SliceEngineering Thank you!

  • @marhar2
    @marhar2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did they mention if they have a Prusa compatible module?

    • @MadeWithLayers
      @MadeWithLayers  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's actually a shot of that in the video! It mounts in a Prusa with a new (printed) extruder body.

    • @BlackMoonRis1ng
      @BlackMoonRis1ng 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bear upgrade plus this hotend! That will be a blast

  • @giannagiavelli5098
    @giannagiavelli5098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm very sold on this, most of the android parts have to be super filaments that require 300 or hotter temps to print pa12, hytrel, peek, etc and even for the carbon fiber polycarb that's still 275 which is out of range for standard stuff

  • @rsilvers129
    @rsilvers129 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree that nozzles are too hard to change. So hard that I ended up buying multiple entire printers to have 0.4 and 0.8, but the competition is to get an e3D and make it modular and just replace the entire tool head rather than just change the nozzle.

  • @K4RJJ
    @K4RJJ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll be buying one for my Hypercube soon. My Ender 3 is running fine as is.

  • @Evilslayer73
    @Evilslayer73 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice nozzle !! it seems very promising!

  • @overlycranked8674
    @overlycranked8674 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's see it in action

  • @dodienko
    @dodienko 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is wrong with traditional fan and using two hands???

  • @Evilslayer73
    @Evilslayer73 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    how it work with a Nimble extruder???

  • @Redemptioner1
    @Redemptioner1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You sold me, will be ordering a couple to try on my delta's tonight

  • @Jason-on4hg
    @Jason-on4hg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Means of cooling other than fans"!? Am I thinking glycol is involved?

    • @SwervingLemon
      @SwervingLemon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah. It's just that there's so much thermal mass on the mount they were using that it would take forever, even in elevated temps in an enclosure, for you to soak the guide area of that heatbreak. So long as your enclosure itself is cool enough to keep your filament from melting before it hits the extruder drive, you're golden.

  • @kh6qmchristophercolquhoun695
    @kh6qmchristophercolquhoun695 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job and keep it up

  • @groovysalmon6857
    @groovysalmon6857 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have I heard correctly, no heat sync fan is possible with this baby?

    • @SliceEngineering
      @SliceEngineering 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Mosquito can be ordered with a 25 mm heat sink fan, or in many cases, used with the fan that already comes on your printer, such as the 40 mm Noctua fan on the Prusa's.

  • @chloemcholoe3280
    @chloemcholoe3280 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the big thing tho mainly is the clogging stuff and how tiny it is and that heatcreep to me

  • @toyotaboyhatman
    @toyotaboyhatman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    dam, tool steel nozzle? they make injection molds with that. Wonder what grade.

  • @skankhunt-ef3vw
    @skankhunt-ef3vw 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love when he said chopehermblokemmm at 4:16

  • @Mehecanogeesir
    @Mehecanogeesir 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please tell me you took a video with gCreate :D

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice product, does solve an age old problem with FDM printers .. changing the nozzle should be easy.
    An alternative solution I have used, is to design the extruder so the entire hot-end can easily be swapped by loosing one screw ... then one can use cheap E3D clone hot-ends with a quality nozzle, which all add up to the price of one of these Mosquito hot ends. The super thin heat break on the Mosquito does seem to make this the best solution for quick changing nozzles .. assuming the printing performance is best in class .. can we see some print quality reviews next???

    • @jonatanrullman
      @jonatanrullman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kind of a late reply here but I would just like to point out that the age old problem was solved in 2014 and shipped as standard on the Ultimaker 2 from 2015. It constantly amazes me that no one else has really caught on in all that time.

  • @jks82
    @jks82 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know why they stress so much the fact that it allows one-handed nozzle switching and doesn't focus on the heatbreak. This hotend is not a curiosity that allows the nozzle to be changed more easily than a V6, it is the best hotend on the market and it gives a print quality above anything I've tried. Even being an All-metal hotend, the regular version allows printing PLA with retractions without any sign of jamming. And at the same time you can print Nylon or any technical material. It is simply the perfect hotend.
    The day I met the BMG extruder, I was amazed at what it was capable of and decided to change all the extruders of my machines for this one. The same thing happened to me with the Mosquito

  • @ihaveworms2078
    @ihaveworms2078 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Looks expensive to manufacturer... And the price reflects that. Ouch.

    • @ydoucare55
      @ydoucare55 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, if you see one in person you'll understand just how well it's machined. It's a very nice piece if you can afford it.

    • @km5405
      @km5405 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      'not one but 5' that was my immediate thought. .... they should find a way to use pre-made precision tubing. and EDM cut it instead. machining these heat brakes is prohibitively expensive

  • @DasJev
    @DasJev 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don´t really get what the benefits are, can someone eli5?

    • @mm-hl7gh
      @mm-hl7gh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me neither...

    • @dakotapahel-short3192
      @dakotapahel-short3192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So you'll get better performance out of a nozzle with a better heat break. The retractions should be cleaner & the pressure of pushing plastic through the nozzle should be lower. you can also change nozzles with 1 tool instead of 2 & it can handle over 300 degrees in temperature so it can be used in builds that need to handle extreme heats.

  • @CallmeBigfat
    @CallmeBigfat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The good ole days of expos

  • @Bakamoichigei
    @Bakamoichigei 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Logical indeed. How did no one think to set up a hotend like that until now?!

    • @geniumme2502
      @geniumme2502 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      many did. Me included - just no one deemed it worth the investment given the cost associated so far.

  • @3ddmaker-joepaddock345
    @3ddmaker-joepaddock345 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    lots of good info. now to just come up with the money to get one.

  • @Richardj410
    @Richardj410 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    looks interesting

  • @caveboy9988
    @caveboy9988 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nice idea! Looks well thought out too. Not sure about saying made in USA is a selling point to the rest of the world. It just means more expensive not necessarily quality

    • @Itheeric
      @Itheeric 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. There are enough factories in China with skilled engineers and machinists who can make high quality product as well for relatively cheap. So that leaves just the point of supporting USA's economy instead of China's

    • @williamforbes6919
      @williamforbes6919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Itheeric Well, it leaves the point of supporting the people who are designing and engineering the product, instead of people who are copying existing designs.
      Chinese copies would likely make incorrect materials choices anyways. I was engineering my own hotend and came up with a very similar design, I was able to talk materials choices and geometry with them there at MRRF. The exact alloys used are all for very specific reasons. Even the ceramic insulation sleeve is a great example of materials choice. Anisotropy of thermal conduction in the copper alloy is even taken into account when setting up the block for machining.
      304 stainless welded hypo tube and a chrome copper alloy for the heat break and block, and a tool steel with a higher tempering temperature. You see a lot of people designing and selling A2 tool steel nozzles despite the 180-260c tempering heat of that alloy. We were able to talk over this fact and why they chose their alloy for the nozzle.

    • @Itheeric
      @Itheeric 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@williamforbes6919 I didn't mean copies, I meant them (the original designers) manufacturing it in China with the same materials and tolerances. This would cut down cost and perhaps mean a bit more profit margin. But yeah that would make it easier for others to copy it I guess.

    • @williamforbes6919
      @williamforbes6919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Itheeric The difficulty with manufacturing short run in China is verifying the supply chain for materials and guaranteeing tolerances are maintained.
      I've heard more than enough horror stories about the contracted company changing the exact alloys used without notifying the designer first in an attempt to lower production costs. Same with very minor changes to tolerances.
      Obviously you can have high quality production done in China, I have owned Chinese manufactured products with exquisitely machined components. So the capability is absolutely there. I've also had USA produced parts (same part actually, a D-shaft hub) which are total crap, so the nationality of the man operating the equipment clearly doesn't have a bearing on quality.
      With the low quantities produced it is probably less expensive for Slice Engineering to manufacture their Hotends locally, considering the rapid design turnaround and required tollerances. Sourcing materials is probably easier too since they can fairly easily buy their materials with a certificate of compliance here stateside. The heat block is being machined with the crystal structures orientation in mind, verifying this is followed without being able to personally inspect the production would be difficult.
      If they end up manufacturing these by the thousands then the cost benefit relationship could definitely change.

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is this reasonable to adapt to the Prusa i3 MK3 with MMU? Can it work with the height sensor?

    • @Psychlist1972
      @Psychlist1972 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @npgoalkeeper _ Thanks. I didn't even recognize that part, it went by so quickly.

  • @km5405
    @km5405 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    why n make it out of Inconel and titanium while your at it.

  • @MA-yg7ft
    @MA-yg7ft 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats the max temperature?

    • @SliceEngineering
      @SliceEngineering 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Mosquito is rated to 450C, which covers all currently available thermoplastics

  • @free_spirit1
    @free_spirit1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The low thermal conductivity of stainless steel is underrated

  • @kevin_delaney
    @kevin_delaney 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay....I'll buy one 😆

  • @poolec404
    @poolec404 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:20 -- lol -- awkward laughs there :-D

  • @liquerinfrnt
    @liquerinfrnt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your machine: *can now print high tech filaments that cost $600 a roll that used to only be done on cutting edge multi thousand dollar printers*
    You: But $140 dollars tho?

  • @MarinusMakesStuff
    @MarinusMakesStuff 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That filament path heatbreak better be stainless steel! :) It's one of the worst heat conductors, even worse than titanium, which is a good thing when it comes down to heat breaks. Before I buy I'll just wait to see how well it prints with PLA, I was one of the earliest adopters of the original E3D hotends and the first types really jammed hard on PLA and it cost me a lot of frustration so I'm very careful with trying out anything new when it comes to hotends and PLA is still the most printed plastic in my workshop.

    • @SliceEngineering
      @SliceEngineering 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The heat break is composed primarily of a stainless steel alloy.

  • @Anonymouspock
    @Anonymouspock 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's unfortunate that Prusa doesn't call the cleaning and washing station the CurWa anymore. Oh well, they still have the Pinda.

  • @Leadingedgeindustrial
    @Leadingedgeindustrial 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting.

  • @garagemonkeysan
    @garagemonkeysan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Want! :-) Thanks for sharing.

  • @joseluishernandez8946
    @joseluishernandez8946 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hold my beer son il show you how to change the nozzle with one hand

  • @hpekristiansen
    @hpekristiansen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Just put down your coffee cup and use two hands.

    • @RyanKhoo
      @RyanKhoo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      hpekristiansen while I completely agree with you it’s another good step towards more consumer friendly printers and ultimately a printer in every home instead of the hobby for the ones who tinker as it is right now

  • @trucker2215
    @trucker2215 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like the rent... This hot end is too damn high... Lol

  • @aguerr211
    @aguerr211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    been using it on my ender 5 for about a month, its been a great upgrade, its not cheap but its doing better than i imagined

    • @CryoftheProphet
      @CryoftheProphet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      would it be possible to bmg-m with the mosquito hotend on my ender 3?

  • @richbuilds_com
    @richbuilds_com 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice looking bit of kit. They will have to work hard on bringing the price down before the chinesium copies flood in...

  • @ifell3
    @ifell3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never had to do a nozzle change yet but I can see these guys have a great idea, unique, for the next 6 months until the Chinese clone it.

  • @crystaldragon141
    @crystaldragon141 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still waiting for a hot end with induction heating.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @npgoalkeeper _ Those who have used soldering irons with induction heating (e.g. Metcal) would actually say it's a very effective way to deliver heat.

    • @crystaldragon141
      @crystaldragon141 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Specifically it's a very "fast" way to deliver heat. You can have a hot end with very little thermal mass that heats up and cools down very quickly.

    • @crystaldragon141
      @crystaldragon141 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but that doesn't cool quickly. It's the very low thermal mass that I'm interested in.

    • @crystaldragon141
      @crystaldragon141 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @npgoalkeeper _ I'm pretty sure I said very low thermal mass......

    • @brianjensen5200
      @brianjensen5200 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NiHaoMike64 I think the problem is that soldering stations like the metcal type relies on the curie effect for temperature control. If you wanted this for extruders then you'd have to replace the heater cartridge when changing materials, if temperature accuracy matters

  • @christianharrell924
    @christianharrell924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Thats a long hot zone"

  • @alabamathunder2891
    @alabamathunder2891 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about a Nimble Bondtech Mosquito on a MMU2S? :P haha

  • @SoulShadow
    @SoulShadow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    its wild expensive

    • @K4RJJ
      @K4RJJ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good stuff usually is. We will see if this is the good stuff. Getting one for my Hypercube soon.

    • @Anonymouspock
      @Anonymouspock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You have to fund screwing the community by filing patents somehow.... 🙄

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Anonymouspock screwing the community? its protecting themselves in the current 3d printing environment. Nothing on that hot end is off the shelf. Yet even with the patent pending you still can get about every spec of its design (outside of proprietary materials) directly off their website.

    • @williamgreen3316
      @williamgreen3316 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Anonymouspock So, you think everything should be "open source" and free to copy so someone else can undercut the guy that came up with the idea?

    • @Anonymouspock
      @Anonymouspock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@williamgreen3316 well unfortunately that's how it ends up being regardless of how much IP protection is used, unless it's Apple, where IP law is used even more maliciously (see Louis Rossmann). China doesn't care about your patents. Software patents are evil and filed on overly broad crap and used to harass small companies. This comes to the root of my objection to them: they're a tool for reinforcing hegemonies of larger companies because the costs of literally everything involved from filing to defending them are astronomical.
      Small companies usually can't afford to actually defend their patents and it is almost always a poor business choice to get one for that reason.
      Remember that we have 3d printers because the patent expired. They may have been consumerized in the 90s had there not been that barrier. Additionally consider that MakerBot took out a patent on a belt build plate which was a community invention as far as I can tell. They are not using it but it still prevents there being any straight gantry belt printers.

  • @strengthchain
    @strengthchain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looks great, but too expensive for me.

  • @LampDoesVideogame
    @LampDoesVideogame 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Aside from one handle nozzle change"
    Guess what I do with my mk8...

    • @jasonking7570
      @jasonking7570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean technically, *any* hotend can do a one handed nozzle change. I think the point they're trying to make is with this design, you can do it without any risk of breaking the heat break

  • @rodneyschofield8435
    @rodneyschofield8435 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tom! Build the MPCNC!

  • @thomasclerc5690
    @thomasclerc5690 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a beautiful baby ! A stillborn one tough... I think popularizing the technology is the main challenge with 3D printing. Nothing extraordinary here.Those small improvements can’t justify that price point and will keep them to produce enough to survive. After all , there is two times cheaper, yet high quality hot ends on the market. So much effort for a niche market !

    • @StuffWithKirby
      @StuffWithKirby 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      tc l'extra-terrestre some people are willing to pay extra for a better product

    • @thomasclerc5690
      @thomasclerc5690 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not talking about those people ... I know that. Thank you very much. I’m talking about the chance to get one in a few years.

  • @abpccpba
    @abpccpba 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Way above my budget.

  • @haley8004
    @haley8004 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiting for the water cooled version.

    • @haley8004
      @haley8004 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, nevermind I did not wait for water-cooled. Probably unnecessary unless you have a heated chamber, which is recommended.

  • @obie224
    @obie224 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Wow, that is pretty cool ! Let me check out that product page....$150-$250...even the thermistor is $40....Yeah no thanks guys.

    • @MattWeber
      @MattWeber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @npgoalkeeper _ look up the thermal dissipation. These things are easily pushing the upper limits of their ability without need for water cooling. The thermals on the hot end work so well that they actually could make it HALF the size and it still work well, but the problem then became that it doesnt fit any stock printer as the unit becomes so short from mount to tip of nozzle, so they kept it equivalent to the size of a V6 so it was more universally useful. As for the price yea its high.. but look at its components vs what you also pay for its equivalent parts, copper block and such, making it better than even the E3D V6 Gold edition out of the box. Also that thermistor is accurate at both ends of the spectrum, hot AND cold, while the whole unit is rated to 400C (their 25w heater from them rated to 350C printing temps). Lets see any other hot end compete with that for the same price.

    • @Anonymouspock
      @Anonymouspock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @npgoalkeeper _ someone forgot to watch the video. If you put it on a big block of metal, no heat sink is required at all, nor is a fan required.

    • @obie224
      @obie224 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Anonymouspock sorry to jump in, but I did happen to watch the video - I just don't think you understand how cooling works. if the ambient temp in the camber is hot enough to hit 70-80c, it doesn't matter how big the block is or even if you have a fan, the heat has nowhere to go. The only thing that works in that case is an outside ducted fan or watercooling.

    • @obie224
      @obie224 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @npgoalkeeper _ Thats nice, but I'm afraid to ask what that's gonna cost lol.

    • @obie224
      @obie224 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @npgoalkeeper _ I won't need it because I'm not spending 200 bucks on a hotend lol. It's a very nice hotend, but the pricing is just ridiculous.

  • @giannagiavelli5098
    @giannagiavelli5098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Of course, we are all waiting for a zesty nimble/mosquito thats water cooled!

  • @TheMandrilman
    @TheMandrilman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    looks good , but to expensive atleast for me

  • @pinkmouse4863
    @pinkmouse4863 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So... If this nozzle is so hard wearing, why do you need to change it so easily?

    • @karolkoniecki4007
      @karolkoniecki4007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Different sizes.

    • @pinkmouse4863
      @pinkmouse4863 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder how many people actually change nozzle sizes? I have a suspicion it's not a huge percentage of 3d printer users. All three of my printers still run on 0.4 and have been for a good few years. It does the job.

    • @pinkmouse4863
      @pinkmouse4863 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      edit, wrong button: If I needed a high output faster/bigger print solution, I'd probably build another printer, stick a Volcano and a 0.6/7/8 diameter nozzle, and hang a 5 kilo roll on the wall above it. That way you have an optimal print experience, ( and another 3D printer! ;-) )

    • @dakotapahel-short3192
      @dakotapahel-short3192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pinkmouse4863Or you could just spend less than 30 bucks on another nozzle instead of several hundred on a new printer. I change nozzles all the time. Just because my printer has a 300mm dia x 760mm build area doesnt mean it cant do really detailed small prints. I often swap between .6mm nozzle & .3mm nozzle as standard. then switch between tool steel & aluminum nozzles depending on abrasion. I also have a 1mm nozzle for Extremely large projects.

    • @chris746568462
      @chris746568462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pinkmouse4863 I have 3 printers and switch nozzles all the time. When you want to print large brackets or structural parts that don't need a super fine layer height larger nozzles get the job done faster. 0.4 is still my standard. With 0.6-0.8 for fast prints. 1.0mm is just silly, but can really create some nice BIG prints if you use it in vase mode.

  • @benlevy9105
    @benlevy9105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    BGM - LOL.

  • @MrNategeo
    @MrNategeo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shk..! Just take my kid instead! He's really smart and a decent worker!

  • @user-cg2iq5qs2y
    @user-cg2iq5qs2y 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So i got an ender 3, i, thinking abot a hotend swap and see these in instagram a lot, but for this price😂😂😂 nevermind😂😂

  • @kazolar
    @kazolar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Except it doesn't fit a piezo leveling system without an extended grovemount adapter, which then defeats the idea of a single handed nozzle change.

    • @kazolar
      @kazolar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @npgoalkeeper _ if you ever used a piezo groovemount, you'd know that's not physically possible, it would spin in the btech before you get the nozzle loose -- I have this setup

    • @jslakervideo
      @jslakervideo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's going to depend on the hotend setup of your printer. I have a Mosquito and a Precision Piezo Orion on my Railcore. One-handed/cold nozzle changes work just fine. The only reason the Mosquito/Piezo mount is even as large as it is is to maintain compatibility with the E3D version of the mount.
      The Mosquito is also considerably more rigid than the v6, which I've found helps a good bit in terms of accuracy/repeatability of the Piezo.
      www.thingiverse.com/thing:3240565

  • @jimmywilliamson3227
    @jimmywilliamson3227 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    no way am i buying a $150 dollar hot end for a $160 dollar printer

  • @ThePosticeage
    @ThePosticeage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do value its authentic idea. But do we really need to pay that much just because produced in USA? It's questionable.

  • @Juancholoco710
    @Juancholoco710 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol they made a 6min video for something that took 10 sec 🙃

  • @GroovyDrifter
    @GroovyDrifter 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You pay my Lambo, bros...

  • @rodryk5605
    @rodryk5605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Way to expensive imo.

  • @riteshpatel6823
    @riteshpatel6823 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you should work on your audio.. that annoying scratchy sound when using head phone.