The tensioner knot you used is the same one I use to lash things onto my truck. Simple to untie! Thanks Dave Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and I am thankful for all the things I have learned watching you and your family and friends.
I used this knot in the shipping industry daily. Excellent for securing loads. People love it when they learn it b/c it's easy/useful. Thanks for sharing.
Great video Dave and yeah my Dad used this same set-up as well, that's where I learned it from. As far as all of these critics on here, if you have a better way of doing this, post a vid on your own site, or become an international TV show ICON and start your own bushcraft survival school? Oh wait, none of you, besides Mr Canterbury have accomplished this have you??? I don't mean to be really negative with you all, but remember who you are trying to correct here? Dave, keep up the great work!!
Thank you, sir - I have been using a tensioner loop for about two decades, now, after being taught it for tying products together and such - but with just a simple loop knot the knots were tough, and sometimes nearly impossible, to get undone for cordage I wished to re-use or save. I'll practice these fig-8's for such tying and always remember that you taught me the next step.
it's a truckers hitch minus the figure-eight knot. it's a very reliable knot and with its 'block and tackle' setup you can create alot of tension. I used to use this for tarping my dump truck loads but I used a slip knot loop (also just pulls loose like your half hitch loop)
nice vid. just two points. imho a bowline would be better for the knot on the live end of your line. fig8 can roll sometimes (not life threatening in this situation, but it can be a nuisance if you have to redo your shelter in a middle of a storm). second point, when i find the time i will post a video response with a knot that is great for tensioning lines and would work like a charm with this system. great videos dave, keep them coming :D
Thanks for the mention again bossman. After days and days setting traps with paracord and even the inner strands, I came to the conclusion that bankline was MUCH MORE varsatile and been using it ever since. Thats where the video came about. You can watch vids here on YT but until you get out and practice yourself.....you wont know what really works best! Always an inspiration to me and I got the bankline idea from you at the first NE class! Loving all the new vids bossman...passin my time here!
Good one Dave. Really neat but instead of a figure eight on the bight theres a real simple knot I learnt as a tie down for cargo that holds tight with tension but pulls out easy without tension. Twist a loop and feed tag end through creating a half hitch with loop hanging through. If you pull now loop will fall through knot but if tag wraped around something (tree) and fed back through loop you can tension as per video... Hope this makes sence. Try and let us know if it's appropriate. cheers
i bought bankline off canteen shop with my kit. because i saw the video on bankline. its fantastic. compact, easy to manage, appropriate tensile strength for this kind of task.
I'd al weays geard that called a Hay Hauler's Knot and my dad taught me how to tie it using only one hand (the other one needs to hold the tension in the line) Love your videos and subbed to them. Jim
Great vid! short and informative. I always wondered how my dad could strap something down and then just pull on it and it would all come undone. this looks exactly what he did.
@wildernessoutfitters yes dave that is the truckers hitch also if u plane on using that knot to get things extreamly tight or plan on putting body weight on it clip a climbing carabiner the the eight on a bight bc other wise the friction could melt through the line
Using the figure 8 like this where you split the two tails significantly weakens the system. Granted you probably won't fail the line in this application but using a butterfly hitch instead will keep that from being the weak spot in the system.
@Tuxdaddy - No - that stuff is not tarred. Google "Tarred Mariners Line" The Bass Pro link should be within the first few results if not the first. They have 2 different tensile strengths to choose from. Just make sure it is tarred. Hope this helps
the figure 8 knot is called a Flemish Eye but that is just trivia. The rest of the tensioner is called a drivers hitch. adding the loop back thru the eye acts like a block and tackle for adding mechanical advantage and leverage. adding more loops (flemish eyes) on each end will add more leverage. but you will lose some thru friction somewhat. again it is just trivia.
+wildernessoutfitters Dave, what weight bankline do you recommend for this type of work? Also, it seems this may be out of date -- are you now using a quick release loop instead of the figure eight for the loop in the line?
@rngn2010 Nope :-) The truckers hitch is designed for pulling as much tension as possible (i.e. your maximum pulling strength with your bodyweight behind it) and also can be freed really easily with a tug in the right place and direction. Google "wakos transport knot" and there's a TH-cam video of it but it's a bit confusing. I used to use this knot all the time tying down loads. Here in the UK it's also known as a "dolly".
Excellent knots & tensioning system. Thanks Where do I get a couple thousand feet of that bank line stuff for $3? I've got 6000 ft less a few hundred feet of super UV resistant twine that took a dive off a farmers truck on the road I'm partial to because it was free & I'm broke, but I like that bank line better for those applications and it's more compact. What do you call the bank line if it was tarred again?
Good vid, personaly I prefer to use a Falconers hitch to tie to the tarp and wagoners hitch to tension the line, both come undone easily, no knots to undo.
Hi Dave How about showing us to do the figure 8 without the ropes together if you were tieing off on a tree to do absailing I will VR you away to make that second lope a slip hitch works exactly the same way but no knot to un tie at the end Thanks for you work :)
I prefer a "mid shipman's hitch" to adjust the loop tension. Faster to tie and untie, and adjusting is exactly like a prussik Too many unfortunate experiences tying draw-loop (truckers knot) where I ended up cutting the line. I just tie a slippery halfhitch at the grommet, then loop the line around the anchor and back on the line again with the mid shipman's hitch. Takes less than a second to adjust tension. Quick untie, then a tug on the working end of the half hitch and I'm gone.
I wonder if there is a knot which doesn't require you to pull the 25 foot length through it to perform the task. When you have to do that with 4 or more lines, it might be a PITA, especially if it's starting to rain.
@Tuxdaddy number 18 Catfishing tarred drop line has a tensile strength of 113 lbs according to the label here. number 60 Catfishing setline (nontarred) has a tensile strength of 330 lbs
So you keep bank line in 25 foot lengths as a standard,definitely could see the extra length come in handy at times because trees dont always seem to be in the right place for tarp secured down
Have you experimented with 50 lb dynemia (spider wire).. it’s sold in about 350’ spools and is plenty strong...the spools take up no room..... sometimes I think we need less strength in our cordage than we think....if there is high winds we could double up..or triple if necessary...then on days when weather is cooperating use only 1ply....
@WelcomeToMyDream Yep supposedly in the old days they used it to get the rope really tight when securing a load (the extra loop acts like a pulley to add mechanical advantage--you end up pulling twice as far at half the force).f
I find if I don't practice those knots all the time I forget how to do them...how do you remember all of them, Dave, or do you only use 2 or 3 all the time?
@tblbaby It normally goes by the name "Seine twine," probably after the river in France because it's used for fishing. You can also get it on Dave's online store.
@wildernessoutfitters Hey just noticed your tags say "east" not "easy." Thanks for the tip! Very unique way to tie the line and stow the cord. You get a mechanical advantage of 2 also.... Figure-8 knots are great.
I have an even easier way for the tensioning loop than a figure eight, it takes seconds to tie and releases with just a firm tug, no untying necessary. Although attempting verbally to explain how to do it is more of a challenge than the knot itself!
@tronclay nothing wrong with that sir. i just figured i would help the guy out and see if Dave would mention to him where he can aquire the stuff locally, and since mryellow123 was able to respond with a locale, i simply asked him to foward said information to Tronzen, the fellow who had inquired about it................
@mryellow123 please reply that to Tronzen, he was inquiring, I was asking for him in case he wasn't able to purchace it from Dave's website. No gear is worth carrying that you can't aquire locally. I use the 550 for everything but snare's, for that I use spider wire fishing line.....but then again, I walk my own walk brother.
Always have? I have been watching from the beginning buddy, and you used to be a major supporter of paracord before you discovered, or had someone else turn you onto, bankline. So this seems kind of misleading brother.
The tensioner knot you used is the same one I use to lash things onto my truck. Simple to untie! Thanks Dave Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and I am thankful for all the things I have learned watching you and your family and friends.
This is without a doubt one of the best channels on youtube!
I used this knot in the shipping industry daily. Excellent for securing loads. People love it when they learn it b/c it's easy/useful. Thanks for sharing.
Great video Dave and yeah my Dad used this same set-up as well, that's where I learned it from. As far as all of these critics on here, if you have a better way of doing this, post a vid on your own site, or become an international TV show ICON and start your own bushcraft survival school? Oh wait, none of you, besides Mr Canterbury have accomplished this have you??? I don't mean to be really negative with you all, but remember who you are trying to correct here? Dave, keep up the great work!!
Thank you, sir - I have been using a tensioner loop for about two decades, now, after being taught it for tying products together and such - but with just a simple loop knot the knots were tough, and sometimes nearly impossible, to get undone for cordage I wished to re-use or save. I'll practice these fig-8's for such tying and always remember that you taught me the next step.
I've been having real problems with my tarp knots that need tension. This has really helped me out. Many thanks.
it's a truckers hitch minus the figure-eight knot.
it's a very reliable knot and with its 'block and tackle' setup you can create alot of tension.
I used to use this for tarping my dump truck loads but I used a slip knot loop (also just pulls loose like your half hitch loop)
nice vid. just two points. imho a bowline would be better for the knot on the live end of your line. fig8 can roll sometimes (not life threatening in this situation, but it can be a nuisance if you have to redo your shelter in a middle of a storm). second point, when i find the time i will post a video response with a knot that is great for tensioning lines and would work like a charm with this system. great videos dave, keep them coming :D
Thanks for the mention again bossman. After days and days setting traps with paracord and even the inner strands, I came to the conclusion that bankline was MUCH MORE varsatile and been using it ever since. Thats where the video came about. You can watch vids here on YT but until you get out and practice yourself.....you wont know what really works best! Always an inspiration to me and I got the bankline idea from you at the first NE class! Loving all the new vids bossman...passin my time here!
Good one Dave. Really neat but instead of a figure eight on the bight theres a real simple knot I learnt as a tie down for cargo that holds tight with tension but pulls out easy without tension. Twist a loop and feed tag end through creating a half hitch with loop hanging through. If you pull now loop will fall through knot but if tag wraped around something (tree) and fed back through loop you can tension as per video... Hope this makes sence. Try and let us know if it's appropriate.
cheers
You sir are an American treasure. Thank you for all the information you have given us and the time and effort you expend.
I'm so lost! Love this, Dave you move so quickly for this rookie. I will keep at it though.. Love everything you do Dave
i bought bankline off canteen shop with my kit. because i saw the video on bankline. its fantastic. compact, easy to manage, appropriate tensile strength for this kind of task.
Very useful tips. Thanks Dave for all the good posts. I follow your channel very closely.
I'd al
weays geard that called a Hay Hauler's Knot and my dad taught me how to tie it using only one hand (the other one needs to hold the tension in the line) Love your videos and subbed to them.
Jim
Great vid! short and informative. I always wondered how my dad could strap something down and then just pull on it and it would all come undone. this looks exactly what he did.
Thanks for posting, also your video on Basic Camp Knots was brilliant, I'm a bush craft novice so appreciate your passing on knowledge. than you.
This is excellent!
Very clean and easy...
One question though. will this finger-trap-knot hold in a real blazing storm??
@wildernessoutfitters yes dave that is the truckers hitch also if u plane on using that knot to get things extreamly tight or plan on putting body weight on it clip a climbing carabiner the the eight on a bight bc other wise the friction could melt through the line
Using the figure 8 like this where you split the two tails significantly weakens the system. Granted you probably won't fail the line in this application but using a butterfly hitch instead will keep that from being the weak spot in the system.
@Tuxdaddy - No - that stuff is not tarred. Google "Tarred Mariners Line" The Bass Pro link should be within the first few results if not the first. They have 2 different tensile strengths to choose from. Just make sure it is tarred. Hope this helps
2:47 damn!!! If that mushroom is edible you got yourself a damn FEAST!!! that thing has to be 5lbs lol
the figure 8 knot is called a Flemish Eye but that is just trivia. The rest of the tensioner is called a drivers hitch. adding the loop back thru the eye acts like a block and tackle for adding mechanical advantage and leverage. adding more loops (flemish eyes) on each end will add more leverage. but you will lose some thru friction somewhat. again it is just trivia.
that tension system is brilliant. thanks mate
+wildernessoutfitters Dave, what weight bankline do you recommend for this type of work? Also, it seems this may be out of date -- are you now using a quick release loop instead of the figure eight for the loop in the line?
@rngn2010 Nope :-) The truckers hitch is designed for pulling as much tension as possible (i.e. your maximum pulling strength with your bodyweight behind it) and also can be freed really easily with a tug in the right place and direction. Google "wakos transport knot" and there's a TH-cam video of it but it's a bit confusing. I used to use this knot all the time tying down loads. Here in the UK it's also known as a "dolly".
Useful knot! Thanks for the info Brother.
Excellent knots & tensioning system. Thanks
Where do I get a couple thousand feet of that bank line stuff for $3? I've got 6000 ft less a few hundred feet of super UV resistant twine that took a dive off a farmers truck on the road I'm partial to because it was free & I'm broke, but I like that bank line better for those applications and it's more compact.
What do you call the bank line if it was tarred again?
What's the breaking strength of bank line ?? never gave thought to using it for setting up my shelter .. Great idea !! Thanks !
Good vid, personaly I prefer to use a Falconers hitch to tie to the tarp and wagoners hitch to tension the line, both come undone easily, no knots to undo.
Hi Dave How about showing us to do the figure 8 without the ropes together if you were tieing off on a tree to do absailing I will VR you away to make that second lope a slip hitch works exactly the same way but no knot to un tie at the end Thanks for you work :)
I prefer a "mid shipman's hitch" to adjust the loop tension. Faster to tie and untie, and adjusting is exactly like a prussik Too many unfortunate experiences tying draw-loop (truckers knot) where I ended up cutting the line. I just tie a slippery halfhitch at the grommet, then loop the line around the anchor and back on the line again with the mid shipman's hitch. Takes less than a second to adjust tension. Quick untie, then a tug on the working end of the half hitch and I'm gone.
Thanks for the video. I was not familiar with this knot. I will certainly give it a try.
Do you prefer this to using the truckers hitch.
thanks for this arsenal of knowledge your giving me.
love your new music during the intro!
mej
I wonder if there is a knot which doesn't require you to pull the 25 foot length through it to perform the task. When you have to do that with 4 or more lines, it might be a PITA, especially if it's starting to rain.
@Tuxdaddy number 18 Catfishing tarred drop line has a tensile strength of 113 lbs according to the label here. number 60 Catfishing setline (nontarred) has a tensile strength of 330 lbs
I use this one all the time. If you switch to figure eight slip vs. figure eight on a bight for the tensioner it'll come apart even easier.
Awesome tip Dave !!!!
So you keep bank line in 25 foot lengths as a standard,definitely could see the extra length come in handy at times because trees dont always seem to be in the right place for tarp secured down
Thanks for the great demo. I'm always looking for better ways to use tarp lines. Thanks for sharing..
Wow Dave! Great video.. I've been having trouble getting my knots down. =\
Thanks for the great tip.
Great stuff can learn a lot from this guy
looks like your gonna be st nick this year,,, thanks for all the great videos..
Great tip Dave. Thanks for sharing.
Have you experimented with 50 lb dynemia (spider wire).. it’s sold in about 350’ spools and is plenty strong...the spools take up no room..... sometimes I think we need less strength in our cordage than we think....if there is high winds we could double up..or triple if necessary...then on days when weather is cooperating use only 1ply....
I love bankline because of you
@WelcomeToMyDream Yep supposedly in the old days they used it to get the rope really tight when securing a load (the extra loop acts like a pulley to add mechanical advantage--you end up pulling twice as far at half the force).f
I find if I don't practice those knots all the time I forget how to do them...how do you remember all of them, Dave, or do you only use 2 or 3 all the time?
I've tied many loads of square bailed hay on trailors with same system.
dirt road trucker's hitch made from figure 8's...Brilliant
I enjoyed this method, thank you! Also, in the intro of this video, what type of jacket are you wearing while crossing the creek?
@BSRadar100 Thanks ! Called braided nylon twine on their site correct ?? I think it's called decoy line as well isn't it ??
@BornRandy62 Thanks very much for the info Sir... Will have to look into bankline after the holidays or when the shopping slows down around here...
Hey Dave, is there a way to get rid of the smell that bank line has? I prefer it to paracord as well but it stinks up everything in my pack.
1 question from greece!!!!!!if the ground is gravel or sand????? thank you!!!!!!!
Good knots! Thanks for sharing.
@tblbaby It normally goes by the name "Seine twine," probably after the river in France because it's used for fishing. You can also get it on Dave's online store.
which bank line are you useing in this video? you got 2 kinds on your website thick and thin lol
Do you use #36 or #72 bank line for your tents ?
A very usefull option to add to various others, we can never have enough knots, always ok to have choices, so please keep em' com'n. Thanks 😀
how do you undo the loop,great video.
do you leve some of your gear in the woods?
@BSRadar100 Thanks ! Called braided nylon twine on their site correct ??
Excellent as always...
Hi, what kind of cord is that? Thanks
@wildernessoutfitters Hey just noticed your tags say "east" not "easy." Thanks for the tip! Very unique way to tie the line and stow the cord. You get a mechanical advantage of 2 also.... Figure-8 knots are great.
Dave, what kind of watch do you use?
I have an even easier way for the tensioning loop than a figure eight, it takes seconds to tie and releases with just a firm tug, no untying necessary. Although attempting verbally to explain how to do it is more of a challenge than the knot itself!
@Rendar600 search fig8 on a bight. its a standard climbing knot ;).
Excellent tip thank you Dave.
@sargefaria Stay safe over there Sarge. Best wishes and we'll be praying for you.
@wildernessoutfitters where could he find it locally?
Hey Dave what kind of hatchet do you recommend for survival?
I think you should consider a regular tips and tricks series. maybe bi-weekly.
Hey Dave what type of hatchet do you recommend for survival>
Great vid Dave!
i finally cracked it!!!!
Thanks for the info Dave
dave thanks for all from chile !
where do you buy bank line...
dave...peace from mississippi...jimbo..
@AuSableRiver11
Thanks brother....certainly appreciate that, and will stay safe as I can
Anyone else find themselves admiring his tattoos and then have to go back to see what he was talking about?
i use that exact setup for my tarp rigeline, great instructional vid Dave
@Tuxdaddy - I purchased mine through The Bass Pro Shop online
Great Vid Dave, Thanks
What is that tensioner knot called?
@wildernessoutfitters thanks man im on it! thanks again for all you do!
this helped me, thanks!
Can this bear a load?
@tronclay nothing wrong with that sir. i just figured i would help the guy out and see if Dave would mention to him where he can aquire the stuff locally, and since mryellow123 was able to respond with a locale, i simply asked him to foward said information to Tronzen, the fellow who had inquired about it................
@mryellow123 please reply that to Tronzen, he was inquiring, I was asking for him in case he wasn't able to purchace it from Dave's website. No gear is worth carrying that you can't aquire locally. I use the 550 for everything but snare's, for that I use spider wire fishing line.....but then again, I walk my own walk brother.
sweet kydex sheath on that axe!
I use that knot when i tie my fishingline=) It never gives!
@Tronzen psst
not to cut Dave's grass, but as shane says, gotta shop local when you can.
Always have? I have been watching from the beginning buddy, and you used to be a major supporter of paracord before you discovered, or had someone else turn you onto, bankline. So this seems kind of misleading brother.
@BSRadar100 Thanks again .. Found it !!
@rngn2010 Yes, its a trucker's hitch.
Nice vid. :)