Reacting To 'Has the GOAT fallen off his throne?' By
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Yoo thanks for reacting to my video! I really appreciate it!
And it was really interesting to hear your thoughts, there are a few things that I made sound more important than they are in reality, but someone once said to tell a good story, you have to exagerate a little 11
Thanks for the support, it means a lot 👌
Sick editing brother ❤
Keep doing videos about age! Nice editing!!
But careful with your mic audio and voice cadence could be better (clearer voice and maybe more volume?).
I'm not sure but you seems to be talking with a strong french pronunciation in some words lmao, maybe make it your brand, could be fun.
Great editing. To Hera’s point on the GL podcast, there is so much more content the pro community can exploit and monetise. This is a great example of that
Can't wait for Viper to react to this video, and then for Hera to react to Viper's reaction, and then for Viper to react to Hera's reaction to his reaction, and then for Hera to rea...
YES!
HOW FAR CAN THEY GO
And 10 years later when they're kids are aoe2 champions, they're still reacting! 😂
He already has, on his second account
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Good shout out for DauT. He, for absolutely no reason, woke up from his slumber and has been unbeaten against Viper in all three of their 2023 sets.
and maybe if TaToH didn't delete 50 arbs....
I know the community memes a lot about him, but I feel like this only shows what an institution DauT is in AoE2 (sadly, sometimes newer players really don't grasp what a legend he truely is and take jokes way to seriously, but let's not focus on that).
DauT has been playing for over 20 years now, heavily dominating the first decade of the 2000s but still getting first places on a regular basis after that, being a relevant top 10ish player nowadays, absolutely capable of taking matches, sets and tournaments off every other pro. Dude is close to 40 y.o. with a family and an unique lifestyle , still dominating both young whipper-snappers and seasoned veterans in a highly competetive, fast RTS, always changing environment with the jump to DE and concurrent balancing/ additions to the game. Most "older" players in Esports would've quit or fallen off their performance in those circumstances, but DauT remains the "Eternal Legend". I do agree with the 2020 "top players of all time" voting, placing him at #2.
It is "rather easy" to be a pro for a year or two, having a good run with certain metas against certain other pros, but being one of the few handfull relevant players in a game for over 20 years, that is an achievement that cannot be understated. Depending on one's factors that go into how they rate "greatest of all times", I feel like DauT cannot be lower than two, and only loses out to Viper because he had higher highs for also a prolonged time - if you consider DauT's influence on the scene over the entire span of him playing, one could argue that he deserves the title aswell. Again, just to emphasize this, being (close to) 40 in any sports, traditional or Esports and still outperfoming potentially everyone, is so mindblowing. Doing it for over 20 years is just crazy. DauT IS the lord.
@@goShinigami Shame he can no longer close out a series and keeps getting reverse swept.
@@goShinigami Dont forget that he even won the Redbull tournament vs Lirrey, a person of the new generation and in one of the biggest resent tournaments.
It just shows that he is still a treat.
Tiramis, my god! What a blessing to have that guy in the community. Not just an editor, but an incredible storyteller. Sure Viper and Hera provide the story, but what a story. Great reaction Hera, enjoyable to watch it.
I mean i love Viper but i think he appreciates the challenge Hera brings to the game, and I think Hera loves the challenge as well.
Absolutely love what you are doing with your brand Hera. You are doing so many things right. Continued success - it's not easy being #1.
"you can tell the disapointment from lierey he got basically cheesed in the last one" to be fair, he got there by using flemish revolution against viper as well
"You could tell I was hella nervous cos I was holding the mic like a goblin" made me boom out a laugh across the room. So funny 🤣
"It's not the note you play that's the wrong note - it's the note you play afterwards that makes it right or wrong."
Miles Davis
Gotta give Hera major respect for his analysis at the end about someone like DauT or Chris having a hat in the GOAT discussion along with him. Great humility for someone arguably playing the highest level of age ever seen.
This video was extremely nice; all those videos in which you open your soul upon your fans are awesome; watching you reacting let us see beyond the mind of the, mostly like, GOAT
Hera, I saw some terrible critism on the video about you. However, none of them are any close to be pros in AoE2 so fuck that, you know you are the greatest player right now and for me you are also the biggest influencer for new players!
Hey @Hera
first of all, I want to say congrats on your achievements and not only your dominance as a player these days but also your personal growth. I feel like you have become more mature over the years and a more wholesome person as well! I have been playing AoE II since like end of 2020 and I've been following both you and Viper the most since then, so I am kind of between both fanbases :D (yes you can roast me for that :D) but the point I am trying to make is that I feel it is great for the game and the community to have the level of competition we have today and your current winning streak is even more impressive due to that, no matter the GOAT status, which is always going to stay very personal (like in any other professional sports, anyways)
Secondly, regarding the mentality statements of TheViper and you in the beginning (like min. ~ 5), I feel for a competitor, to rise to the top, it is almost non-negotiable to have the mindset of always winning and if not, it's a failure. So I guess if you really aim to be at the top of your competition, it is required. BUT at the same time, it has a flipside! Since as you said, there can only be one tournament winner everytime, I disagree to say it is a failure for everyone else. I feel for most people, this mindset could cause far more frustration and have negative aspects in terms of mental health! In my opinion, it is important to find the right balance between competitiveness / striving for the best you can do in every tournament or also every aspect of your life and on the other hand taking a step back to have a look at the bigger picture and realize if losing is really a failure or if it is maybe not so bad. Just some thoughts. :)
So anyways, keep up what you're doing, go your way and only love for everyone!
@Hera - awesome closing comment about recency bias. Viper was (is?) so dominant over such a long time, and if you are the Greatest of >ALL TIME< then someone has to be dominant over a long period of time as well. You guys are professional sports players, and like any Pro player (think American professional sports) some of the "greatest" are historical or long passed away. It's not just winning, but maybe new strategy or new way or playing or being inventive, creative, etc. Also, great comment about Daut, who has been playing for so long. Not the greatest, but amazing performances and still making it happen. He's the grand wizard, oracle, big pappa of professional players and still competitive. Great reaction video! Keep up all the awesome playing. Love watching you and love the honesty.
Great video from both of you! Getting to know a bit about the history was also interesting, as I only started recently following AoE2 streamers / the community. Kudos to your development Hera!
I love to see how you pros are all so friendly. Great sportsmanship. I wish I could play well enough to hang with you guys.
I really appreciate how both Her and Viper recognize great players of the past.
The GOAT is an impossible title to claim. It is not as simple as who would win a match in their prime.
I agree that the level of play goes up over time as competition increases. Hera said about himself that he quit for a while because he had no good players to compete against.
When he came back, he worked really hard, and joined a pro team. If not for the oportunity to compete and train with other great players, Hera would not be as good as he is. I Imagine that if Hera was born a decade earlier, he would not be quite as good as he is.
Dominating competition is the mark of a great player.
Single-handedly elevating the level of play is the mark of a legend.
RBW5 is probably my favorite AOE2 moment in history. It was amazing.
Agreed.
2:20 except where forward castles are concerned!
We love the Lord, and his crazy track record.
Legit this community is incredible!
The healthy competition and mutual respect in this community is so precious. When you see The Viper's video he acknowledges that Hera is currently the best player. At the same time Hera acknowledges that TheViper is still the goat. This is such a healthy way of communicating and improving: instead of tilting and grinding because you are angry, you grind because you are impressed by the other players and want to learn from them and improve. (Also money and fame, of course, let's be real.) Very happy with people like Hera and TheViper at the top. Always classy and respectful, with the right amount of amicable banter!
Absolutely smashed that like button when you started talking about recency bias, what an intelligent man, respect!
Love the fact that you and Viper, the two best are amazing for the community TY
No matter who the Goat is, you guys just keep at it will you? Cause we the fans, we respect and enjoy what you are doing, we know how hard it is to keep developing and grinding at the highest of levels and appreciate the sportsmanship & the class of the community overall.
“IF YOU AINT FIRST, YER LAST HERA!” Get with the showgram!!
Hera is so well-articulated and down to Earth, it's no wonder he's been so dominant. A genuine pleasure to watch the guy play (and stream).
also hera - i won just 6 s-tiers? i suck
Enjoyed your reaction a lot, Hera. Your insight and commentary are very interesting and I really liked hearing about things from your prespective, especially since you've been in the scene for a long time. I do still think viper is GOAT, but you're definitely on your path of catching up. Huge respect to you for the amazing performances these past tournaments. I remember the hype of NAC IV and was super happy for you.
Keep it up! Also, these types of reactions are fun to watch - especially if you give commentary.
P.S. 31:46 - Dayum, you thicc 😳
Everyone gets old, it's what you do while you're at the top that counts and Viper Built an empire that will stand the test of time.
LOL "we spit on third place"
Hera has epic jokes hahaha
"I was holding the mic like a goblin" 😂😂😂😂
Videos like this remind me of why I love this game… honestly great
Thanks for reaction. Would really like to see a video for Lierrey (with his approval of course) of where the heck did he come from?!?!?! A 15 year old would suddenly came out of nowhere and dominating like a genetic freak! I haven't heard anything about his rise before I started suddenly seeing him finishing high in many tournaments. I thought since you're team mates and close friends it'll be good for you to tell the story! Please say yes! :)
I think this is good for the game. It happend to football, right? We've seen Pelé make a revolution and thought that we wouldn't see that ever again. Then Maradona came and the discussions started on who was better and, again, believed that besides them, there were no other players that would compare... and Messi proved everyone wrong.
Does that mean that Pelé and Maradona were not as good? No! It's probably impossible to really compare because each of the three played at different eras; game changed, teams evolved, players adapted.
I'm excited because I believe that Viper might be AoE's Pelé, Hera AoE's Maradona... with the added sauce that they are both competing during the same era, we get to enjoy both of them playing.
This also means that, probably, our AoE's Messi is still to come.
One more thought: first football World Cup was in 1930, 93 years ago. I don't know how it felt like, but did people back then believed that the sport would not only avoid being forgotten but, instead, continue growing to become the monster is today?
First S-tier tournament for AoE2 happend in 2000. We're 23 years in, and the game and community, more than 25 years after its original release, it's at its peak. So... people of the future: I hope you enjoy this monstrous sport born in 1999. I don't know what kind of players you're watching right now and I have no doubt they are beasts we've never seen. But let me tell you: we've been blessed to watch Viper, Hera, Lierey, Tatoh, DauT, Mr Yo, Villese, Jordan and a lot more players that helped making a revolution out of this game. And they were really, really, really good.
I have played Aoe2 like already 7-8 years ago and started following Viper. I always like him. There were long, long times off playing the game, I never got really good. But I somehow fell in love with the community and just watching pro players. You've become one of my favourite players and it really doesn't matter to me what rank you are, I would still love you to watch your content. stay humble brother, love you ❤
5:57 I think that is JorDan there behind Mr. Yo
Not sure how well remembered this is by now, but at one point we out and out had a 'who's number two' tournament between Lierey, MBL, Tatoh and Mr. Yo.
I feel like you and TheViper are the two best players ever in this game. No one has had such big wins and such consistency as you guys, and whenever you were up against each other it always felt it could go either way. However for me it seems the Facebook years took a toll on TheViper, he had to make crazy hours streaming and that can’t be good for one. Hopefully he, and you, can keep up this level of play and give us great games in the future! And with tournament wins going both ways, I am a Viper fanboy, but no one likes a competition where everyone already knows who is the winner.
Oh and please let Liereyy win an S-tier tournament again, he deserves it 11
Hera...you are too modest and a classy guy. You are definitely on the summit right now. Hopefully, the competition will remain high with lots of great matches to come.
love your content, always cheering for you
Love the BBQ turkman shout out. One my fav commentators
I love Viper and I know that an injury at the wrist really limits your performance. However I also think Hera had worked really really hard and put a lot of effort into his skills to achieve his success. And I really like this respectful reaction-video, but I also hope that the snake will rise again :)
Over time I understood what you are worth to the age community. My fanaticism for Vipy didn't let me enjoy you until now. You are magical, without a doubt. The undisputed 1 today and for 1 year now. Being compared to someone who, for me, is the best in history must be tremendous pride. I wouldn't mind seeing you share that place with Viper.
I repeat, you are magical. You are 4/5 steps above the rest.
Humble logical response great react!
love you both sincerily, no team for me. what a game and what a good scene! guys keep it up!!
React content, yay! Tiramis being the goat here. Keep it up, it's going to be great for the scene. Let's go!
I never knew you were Palestinian, I hope you and your family are doing well considering the terrible news of late
Love you even more because you are of Palestinian origin ❤
Aye
Hera should start a funding account for palestine to fight back Israel
Let's not forget that Viper spent quite a lot of time away from AOE2, for example in AOE4. This also helped in others catching up.
Hera won 7 S-tier tournaments: Hidden Cup 4, Holy Cup, The Grand Melee, NAC4, KOTD5, TTL3 & Warlords 2.
Maybe Timaris has been editing this for a while
The wrist injury is one concern, but an often overlooked aspect is TheViper's advancing age. Typically, after the age of 24, a player's response time begins to decrease. In a strategy-heavy game like Age of Empires, seasoned insight can somewhat offset this, but there's still a definitive peak in performance. Especially in a highly competitive environment where rapid reflexes are key to outplay, this becomes evident. It's not just that other players have improved; it's also that TheViper is no longer at his prime. I doubt any of the current top players can consistently beat prime viper. You Hera, will eventually face this problem in your career aswell.
It's true that reaction time declines beginning in your mid 20s but really this is not significant. It's about 3milliseconds decrease per DECADE. Viper's not even a decade older than 24 and since he trains his reaction time, there's probably been close to zero drop off. Certainly not enough to start losing fights he easily used to win. This might affect like 50 year olds trying to play a twitch shooter like valorant but I just don't think it's that big a deal in aoe
lol the hair dent 11
Honestly Hera and TheViper living up the competition with others in aoe 2 is greatest thing to see in the gaming community. It's not about being washed but being watched. Both of you are really doing the best.
You called out a very important distinction. Greatest of all time and Greatest right now are not always the same thing.
In terms of Greatest right now, my intuition is that you, Viper, and Lierry are all in a different league from everyone else. Basically, I always assume you guys are going to win your match unless you are playing against each other. If you are playing against each other, then all bets are off. There are no guarantees except that I'm going to see exceptionally high quality play from both players.
Hera, long time viewer, first time commenter. It's cool that you're getting recognition. I've always wondered why you chose the tag "Hera". I only know the name in the context of the goddess from Greek mythology.
Hey thanks for commenting! It was just a mythology name i chose to join a clan way back and it stuck. Not huge on it but its fine
It works@@HeraAgeofEmpires2
Viper already reacted to the original. Watched both :)
big fan of Viper, but have to agree. The quality now, and overtime has gone up. It cant be due to just his injury. e.g. you, Hera are defiantly way better 2023 than 2018
I feel like larry never recovered from that NAC final, he was so gutted. You both deserved first place but ultimately Hera played the best that day.
Viper is the GOAT influence wise. I knew him first in 2018 when I got access to YT as I came to the UK to study for the first time. (YT is blocked in mainland China) I didn’t know the pro scene existed back then and when I saw his ‘masterpiece’ videos of tower rush and full ballista elephants I just thought ‘this guy is so good he’s trolling’. I googled him and found out he was the best in the world of that time, but I didn’t really follow the pro scene. In mid 2020 I came to the UK again. I later saw another video and learnt more about the AoE 2 pro scene, and how Viper’s Team Secret were dominating but aM beat them in BoA2. It was not until early last year that I began to follow the pro scene actively because of T90’s contents, and I was surprised to discover that Secret was changed to GL long ago. I played AoE2 from age 10 but Viper’s more casual contents got me to know the pro scene existed when I was 20, I’m Hera’s age btw.
th-cam.com/video/YncAf2gWyd4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LZUmrGaHcjIUHZwe This was the video I was talking about, would recommend to anyone new to the pro scene.
Love you man. Love The Viper too.
Ggwp
Well, just to give my humble opinion, I kind of agree with Hera. A tournament now might be more competitive than a tournament back then. On the other hand, the same top players back then are still top players now. Viper, Yo, Liriey, Daut, Jordan, ... All these are still top tier players. So despite having more competitive tournaments and perhaps more pro players (or better prepared players or however you want to phrase it), the ones that get on in the tournaments are still the same ones, with a couple of younger players being there too, like Hera.
I think Viper has achieved a lot in this game during a long time, but aside from the injury, times change, players change, players age, ... Not the same being 20 than being 35 or 40. Viper will not win tournaments as he did before. But not because he is older than before. But also because new players come in and outmatch the old guard. Hera himself is one of the young players, that has perfectioned micro-ing to a level few players can match, has interesting strategies and so on. And in time, perhaps in 10 or so years, when Hera is 30 or 35, other young players might come to outrank him. One cannot always be at the top.
So yeah. Viper dominated, now looks like it's Hera's time. but I'd just like to say that I love watching these guys play.
Guy who is current #1
"Lol he 3-0'ed me at that tournament"
Even if Viper isn't #1 anymore, he will always be respected as #1, even by the people who have beaten him.
Has the goat fallen or has a new star risen? Love your perspectives. Enjoyed the video
I was or am one of those fans, I wanted viper to lose so you could win, I knew that whatever you won the first one, the victories would come and that's how it happened and now that you win everything, I want another Tatoh, Lierey or viper to win again.
I don't know the reason, I think it's because I don't see the same guy winning all the time, it's weird I don't know. But no hate at all, just to see another one win, it doesn't go any further. If you win well, if not, also.
So cool seeing both your reactions man. I hope we get to see more content like this, and kudos to Tiramis on the edit/commentary, top quality stuff.
Hera definitely better now, but Viper has 33 S-tier finals with 25 wins.
Hera has 13 finals with 6 wins.
Bit like Hamilton vs Verstappen. talent is there to surpass but work still needs to be done!
So I think people often have unnecessarily negative responses to 'reaction' content, mainly because there are so many examples of incredibly low-effort content on Twitch especially where people sit disinterestedly watching video after video with little to no commentary, and call it reaction content. That's not the same as your stuff, even if you're not always giving tons of your own input, it's still your genuine reaction to content that is about or directly from a community that you're a pillar of already. You already make plenty of informative content, so I think holding you to a super high standard for these videos too is a little unfair. All that being said, great to hear some of your expanded thoughts during this video!
Lol this feels like a humble brag. JK you're doing well. Good to see the community grow and multiple players bringing top class quality.
Sick video by Tiramis. Maybe another cool ideia would be to analyze the impact of the RBW tournaments on the pro scene. Prizepools is big fact, of course, but maybe some elements of playstyle in the pro scene changed during this period. I can’t be sure if its fair to say viper “decline” started with the 4 x 0 finals, but considering that (and his performance until he actually won the legacy), the crazy results lierey got, and how agressive and fast plays are now. Would love to hear Hera’s toughts on that.
Both of hera and theviper best player. And one reason theviper the best. Hera didnt play Deathmatch tournament but theviper did and be a champions
5:51 The one who appears in the background with glasses is JorDan. The others are who you said.
Good reaction, I think I'm one of your viewers who generally likes to see you react to other Age of Empires II themed videos. As long as it doesn't become your main activity, of course, I think one or two reaction videos every now and then are fine.
Additionally, I think this particular video (the one Tiramis made) is of the highest quality, including the images, editing, and script. It has a couple of factual errors, but overall I absolutely agree with the thesis it shows.
Greetings.
Hey Hera, I'm one that made a comment about pausing last video. I didn't mean anything nasty by it, just that you have a lot of valuable insight that could help add to the video. I think you nailed it here though. Appreciate you! ❤
It was around NAC III when I noticed the Aoe2 scene isn't dead (I'd been playing solo up til that moment) when yt recommended my one of many t90's videos.
Dunno why, but I started rooting for ya since then and was happy to see you started improving and taking Ws.
You once gave me a scare when you seemed more interested in aoe4 but I'm glad you stayed/returned.
Really hope I'll be able to see you win/compete for many years to come.
Shoutout to Liereyy! Just sick how often he appears in tournament finals in this video, and RBW6 is not even in there.
I think this is what makes comparing eras really hard. Hera is so dominant this year, but before DE, there was like one 1v1 S tier tournaments per year. The competition today is much higher, but I think a yearly S tier tournament win has quite a lot of value.
AOE unfortunately does not have many in-person tourney, but I personally think those wins are more significant, such as your grand melee win, tatoh's and viper's red bull win, etc.
In my opinion an yearly tornament has less value compared to someting more ofthen since you can fluke a win onsw but you cant do it consistently.
So lets say 4 big tourneys a year will for sure show who is the best amd ensure that it gets harder and harder to win sinse people get the chanse to implement their strats to counter you.
TheViper is the equivalent to the Micheal Jordan of AOE
16:40 this is why hes the GOAT, THE GOATTTTTT
I really enjoy this kind of content, the original video is excellently put together, and then having pro reactions / opinions on top adds another dimension.
It's normal for new eras to develop, TheViper reigned supreme for many years, and now its Hera's era of dominance through years of hard work and dedication, and each respective player will earn there rightful place in AoE2 history.
The G.O.A.T question will always be one that divides opinion, and for me the answer will always be DauT. Whilst he might not have the S Tier tournament victories of TheViper or Hera, his longevity at the very top of the game makes him the greatest of all time.
However you look at it the game has never been more competitive and it benefits both player and viewer.
I agree, kind of coming back after you have struggled and new players with lots of grinding entering the scene is maybe even more impressive than winning 8 in a row. Viper always kind of reminds me of darts legen Phil Taylor who was facing a very similar challange after dominating for soooo long. Both Viper and Tyler were also part of the reason so many new players joined and challenged them and its super hard to deal with that when people start thinking youre past your prime.
Work hard. Enjoy the results. positive message. Gg
2:36 Poor Sergiu, don't have the time to learn build orders when there's so many new RTS games coming up.
Personally, the fact that viper cant train to the same extent that other players can is a handicap that he has to work around. Viper said he couldnt play day after day because his wrist felt numb. And it probably slowed down his reaction time as well. Not taking away from other players but having to consider retiring always on the back of your mind has to be mentally taxing as well.
29:39 its 7. HC4, Holy Cup, TGM, NAC4, KOTD5, TTL3 and Warlords 2
thanks homie
that hair ridge is because of having the headset for a long time
Viper and Hera is like Michael Jordan and LeBron James playing in the same era.
The other thing to note, just like any sport, is that you have to compare how a player has gone against his competition for that era. Whilst the competition may be more now, Viper was obviously light years ahead of everyone from 2013-2020, with modern day mechanics, speed and tactics even back then. His popularity kept the game alive and probably indirectly lead to Microsoft making HD and subsequently DE. All of that catapults his contributions as GOAT over anyone else in the current era.
Hera I am canadian and been a fan since 2020 world cup. Keep elevating the game, the down side is I have to catch up and play against those who study your strats.
11:00 Well you are saying yourself how much Grind Players put in to achieve small Improvements, now imagine what a big part of playing your Hand does. I mean we all know the feeling of uncomfortability with a new Mouse for example. I for myself also faced some similiar health issues on the wrist like viper and i can tell you that it hurt to see how much worse i was playing. Ok in my case it were Shooters where the Hand is even more important but i can assume how much effect that actualy had on Vipers playing. Of course others got better but the Problem is, he got worse cause of the issues, even if he would have stagnated it would have taken longer to beat him. But i understand your Point of View as a young gun, but when your older you gonna realise how much Health and Age actualy effects your playing to the point were you can do whatever you want, you wont improve anymore and even get worse and worse, no matter how hard you grind. Nontheless you are the next Goat, without a doubt. You couldve been were you are now earlier if you wouldnt had quit, i mean everyone could see that. Keep it up and lets hope for some more good Years for Age of Empires even tho some important Figures slowly fade away.
The Revolution was both SUPER EPIC and SUPER HYPE.🔥🔥🔥
Hera has the attitude of a champion. He is and will be one of the all-time greats of AoE2.
he's definately in my top 50 aoe players of the moment
Short answer: yes
Long answer: also yes
Really good video Hera be good to see more stuff like this 👍
At some point, Viper feared DauT. The lord truly
No you are not suck, winning 6 tournaments it means you are in your beginning of your journey, you have a lot to do, and we here to support you.
It’s your time to shine.
Go to the top
To be the GOAT, you not only need to go on a streak, you need to stick around in the top 3 for as long as Viper does
The Goat debate is always fun and theres no right or wrong answer there. Congratulations on a great reaction video Hera and I think given this years tournament results you are the best aoe2 player at the end of 2023 and start or 2024. Keep having fun and keep producing the great content!
First of all, i think you both are amazing players with verry different styles. I guess snoballing was/is vipers speciality. In that hidden cup with "the princes" it was most noticable. He made something happen in the frist 5-10 minutes, gained the smallest advantage, stepped back and never let this advantage go untill gg. always amazed me. But other than that, i noticed that in your and vipers reaction video Daut came up, without him beeing mentioned once in the vid. He migth not be the GOAT by the numbers, but in every other aspect he is in my opinion. To stay relevant for so freaking long in a game is just mind blowing. He might gets older and micros like a half broken school bus (still better than me btw :-) ) but you can count on him in every turnament to make something happen. Its like in other sports. There are those few guys who where amazong at there time, but still 30 years later they are in every Radio interview and game analysis and what not. It doesnt matter if theire records are long beaten by someone else. They are still there and everyone appriceates them. More than often the guys who broke theire records are long forgotten but they are still here. And everone who has ever watched/played AOE2 will know Daut. He is playing this from literaly Day 1. He is just a legend and will always be my goat for what he is for the community. I wish you and vipi that in 20 years you will be remembered in the same way he is. And who knows, maybe we will have a for example a typical Hera-TC or something like ths by than :-) I am happy that the community is as alive as it is and there is a lot of competition 💚💙💛
Why is Hera so freaking funny?! 😂👌
Another great thing is the evolution that Viper brought to the game, like, okay everyone is grinding the last 4 years way more than in the past, but how you play the game, the development of the high level it was all about viper while he was the best, quickwalling, drushing, finding odd strats that became meta after, it's like he prepared a ground to the other players, of course, everyone is bringing something new to the table, but Viper is like way ahead in this matter, and that's impresive, it's not something everyone is capable to do and even if Hera stays in the top 1 for 20 years it's not garanteed he's gonna achieve the same thing Viper did.
Same with football, everyone talks about the titles, the goals and achievement of Pelé, but in my opinion, the greatest thing he did was forcing the football sport to evolve like 30 years in 5 years, he sped up the process.
"If you ain't first, you're last."
Viper
I know it hurts to come to terms with the fact that TheViper's decline started with his wrist injury as well as his hernia problems. I find it interesting that you would say that a constant wrist injury that causes excruciating pain at worst and a niggling pain in the mouse hand did not diminish his performance! If the prize money went up, TheViper would also have practiced just as much.
You are definitely an amazing player, which is undeniable. And capitalizing on the weakness of opponents when they are down is a mark of a champion who dethrones the previous one.
as an aoe4 player I think Hera and viper are both iconic and interesting. I'm always so amazed at how the viper can just casually play aoe4 a few times and rise to the very top again straight away because he has such a strong baseline sense of the game he can dominate without silly build orders and gimmicks. It's amazing to see.
Thanks for this video - what I think is so clear from all of your videos is that you seem to enjoy the game, you seem to encourage others to not only play but enjoy being competitive in AOE. You seem very humble ❤ Personally I think your a good face for the AOE future and hope that you still enjoy playing. As for Viper I think you loose when you stop enjoying playing the game
26:52 someone skipped aerobics class :P