Thank you Bhante for this concise and detailed lecture. Many monks in Sri Lanka are waking up to the deceitful 'Visuddhimagga'. The pirivena and university folks' egos are getting riled because their careers are based on the Visuddhimagga. May all beings be free from raga dvesha moha!!
Honorable Bhanthe, this is the right time to give your knowledge about our Supreme Buddha's teachings to the world, and you have the wisdom to do that. May thousands and thousands of people listen to your valuable and amazing Dharma Desanas and understand them, and take the right path to Nibbana! Sadu! Sadu! Sadu!
Bhante Vimalaramsi is an Amazing monk,He has a great and the Right understanding about what the Buddha really taught... Rare are the Monks of this kind..! Well Done..! Sadu Sadu Sadu..!!
aathaapi.org/dwncounter.php?number=123 This video clip is in Sinhala language and the teacher who has learned pali and read entire Tipitakaya & Attakatha and practice true Teravada Buddhism with correct translation for nearly 3 decades ,explain about the Buddhagosha theros's true story and our true Buddhism What is Vimalaramsi thero says is not correct as Budda dasa , the correct name mentioned Buddharkkitha and this thero tried to get the permission from our Arahath thero lived at Sri Lanka , Maha Viharaya.But they denied his capabilities .It was meant to be translate by Buddhagosha thero. Hope once watched the clip ,anyone will understand .
Is this venerable monk alive ! I would like to talk to him and ask many questions like origin of Pali ! Whether Buddha spoke in Pali or some other language and Pali was a translated form of Buddha's language origin of Sanskrit nalanda University and many !
And another dimension is... All Kamma we do... Punya kamma( good deeds) come back as good... Paapa kamma( bad deeds, sins) come back as bad... Akusal ( all kamma done with craving) also leads to rebirth... So...everytime I consume meat I leave or create a seed for rebirth as I have to pay it back.. Bhante is right with the 5x points to complete a Kamma Patha...BUT ...he does not seem to mention that " Chethana ham Bikkhawe Kamman wadaami" teaching from Sutta. Intention also leads to rebirth. So when I eat meat with the intention of satisfying my " taste" ....that too is against the teaching...because from the Sansaara habits as we have the habit of tasting MEAT from previous animal lives we go after the taste... Where as as a true Buddhist we should know that when you break it down it all ( all food especially in this case) is the 4x natural elements...water..heat..air and earth.
@@SanditthikoAkaliko It's simple practice Vipassana correct 💯 and you will get a sense and you will see sense something fishy put of alignment to the truth like I felt about Buddhaghosa hence I wanted someone to expose him truely ! I didn't like buddhaghosa I don't know I just sensed something repulsing and foul smelling hearing his name and reading even a line by him that's why I came here and guess what my sense was right ! So practice Vipassana persistently and you will see this can't be said by Buddha thankfully Mahasatipatthan sutta see I did Vipassana and then saw Mahasatipatthan sutta really works means it really was from a very wise enoughtened man it will make you see through things you will have your own insight and wisdom and you will see something fishy foul smelling breathing blocking unpleasant sensation our of alignment to the true sense and then you will come to know this can't be from Buddha it must be manipulated!
Hey Bill, I've been looking into this issue recently. Do you think you could help me out, and maybe summarise what you think Ven. Bhante got wrong? All the best x
@@MegaMONI45 there are some good things he says in the talk like the issue of one pointed concentration being an incorrect understanding of samadhi... however, some of what he says is just gross generalizations. For instance plenty of "theravada" monks don't agree nor strictly follow the "commentaries". Venerables Thanissaro, Brahm, Sujato, Amaro, Nyanaploi, Brahmali, etc all disagree with things in the commentaries.. they are all considered "theravada". Also, the characterization of Buddhaghosa and the Vissudhimagga is way off. The question, which was developed centuries after Buddhaghosa's death, wasn't whether he knew pali better than his teacher but whether he knew the "Buddha's word" better than his teacher.. There is also no substantiated facts that can show Buddhaghosa was not a meditator. In fact there is evidence of the contrary. It actually states that he was an arahat.. therefore he must have known about meditation. Right? Also, the story about Buddhaghosa being a vedic is not correct. From Ajahn Sujato: "The idea that Buddhaghosa was a Vedic scholar is nonsense. It stems from a late hagiography. One of the standard features of later Buddhist hagiography was to claim that any teacher was a former brahmin who became converted to Buddhism after being disillusioned with brahmanism; see Moggaliputtatissa et al.. This doesn’t mean that none of them were brahmins; brahmins were around, and some of them no doubt did convert. But it means that a claim in a book written centuries after someone lived has zero credibility, unless it can be independently corroborated." Which in this case it can't be independently corroborated. To say Buddhaghosa was not well verse in the Buddha's teaching also has no factual evidence. Agian, there's actually evidence of the contrary. These things that bhante is saying are purely his ideas not corroborated by facts. It's a bit of story telling.
@@billymac29 Thanks for the reply. I see your point, it is difficult to make assertions (that are contextually influential, by they either supportive or negational) regarding events that occured so long ago. I'm reminded of that old aphorism: 'There's always three stories, yours, mine, and what happened.' If I may I'll put in my two cents here. In my view, superfluous of Buddhagosha's character, knowledge, or ability, be it meditative, or linguistic, his work contains some contrary attitudes to the dhammā. The 24 hour 1st Jhāna standard and the attitude of disgust regarding the body that he championed come to mind. This is not to say that the Visuddhimagga does not contain useful insight, however. One can bear witness to some of the most profound 'dhammic' behavior (or teaching, if you like) in beings that are not even conscious of Buddhism. On the other hand, one can also see disgrace committed by those in the ochre robes. Just the other day I heard of a monk who was disciplining his disciple by beating him, and proceeded to beat him to death, for example. I feel as if it goes without saying that something like that is not what the Buddha taught, and it is not dhammā. By extension, I'm starting to form the view of 'anti-quibble', as regards the history of our practice. That feeling that orients us away from beating our fellow practitioners, which might be better said to manifest as intuition, I've decided to rely upon. If the Visuddhimagga has useful insight, then it has useful insight and it is up to us as modern dhammā practitioners to extrapolate, share and heed it. Of course the same rings true for misleading contributions. If anything my two cents is this: The Buddhist that exists Buddha-less, is both burdened and blessed by the available material concerning the practice. Aside from liberation we have the additional task of syphoning the way to it out of millions of avenues, and resources of information. Of course sometimes there is contradiction, dispute and misery, as well as there is made-sense, agreement, and hope. If we allow misinformation to proliferate, the dhammā is doomed, if we allow disagreement to occur with hostility, we are doomed. Honest is paramount. So, Bill, thank you for speaking your piece, if you see misinformation, I would always encourage you to raise the issue. Although to resolve this issue in particular would take more than a comment section, it is better to show that something is doubtful, if there is good reason. May you be happy, my friend
You will not understand if you don't see the process. You see the process by Meditating deeply with mindfulness. When you see the actual links of dependent origination arise only then will you understand that all is impersonal and there is no self there.
With all due respect I cant agree to this explanation... This is only 1x dimension... As a practicing Buddhist I ( in fact any practicing buddhist) will use " Ariya Maithree" meditation...Meththa for " ALL living beings...??? Right...?? So if I practice kindness and loving meditation " without" limits towards all living beings and consume the very meat ....??? I would be lying...and THAT is against practicing correct buddhism.. Panaathi paathaa pati virathi...
Sadhu 🙏 I still try to find one post related to Theravadi and vissudhi maga I didn’t watch and I try to watch but unfortunately I couldn’t find out again
@@DSD394 aathaapi.org/dwncounter.php?number=123 This video clip is in Sinhala language and the teacher who has learned pali and read entire Tipitakaya & Attakatha and practice true Teravada Buddhism with correct translation for nearly 3 decades ,explain about the Buddhagosha theros's true story and our true Buddhism What is Vimalaramsi thero says is not correct as Budda dasa , the correct name mentioned Buddharkkitha and this thero tried to get the permission from our Arahath thero lived at Sri Lanka , Maha Viharaya.But they denied his capabilities .It was meant to be translate by Buddhagosha thero. Hope once watched the clip ,anyone will understand .
Thank you Bhante for this concise and detailed lecture. Many monks in Sri Lanka are waking up to the deceitful 'Visuddhimagga'.
The pirivena and university folks' egos are getting riled because their careers are based on the Visuddhimagga. May all beings be free from raga dvesha moha!!
Honorable Bhanthe, this is the right time to give your knowledge about our Supreme Buddha's teachings to the world, and you have the wisdom to do that. May thousands and thousands of people listen to your valuable and amazing Dharma Desanas and understand them, and take the right path to Nibbana!
Sadu! Sadu! Sadu!
Bhante Vimalaramsi is an Amazing monk,He has a great and the Right understanding about what the Buddha really taught...
Rare are the Monks of this kind..!
Well Done..! Sadu Sadu Sadu..!!
aathaapi.org/dwncounter.php?number=123
This video clip is in Sinhala language and the teacher who has learned pali and read entire Tipitakaya & Attakatha and practice true Teravada Buddhism with correct translation for nearly 3 decades ,explain about the Buddhagosha theros's true story and our true Buddhism
What is Vimalaramsi thero says is not correct as Budda dasa , the correct name mentioned Buddharkkitha and this thero tried to get the permission from our Arahath thero lived at Sri Lanka , Maha Viharaya.But they denied his capabilities .It was meant to be translate by Buddhagosha thero.
Hope once watched the clip ,anyone will understand .
Is this venerable monk alive ! I would like to talk to him and ask many questions like origin of Pali ! Whether Buddha spoke in Pali or some other language and Pali was a translated form of Buddha's language origin of Sanskrit nalanda University and many !
Sadhu sadhu sadhu... Venerable monk... Namo Buddhaya bhanteji ❤🙏🙏🙏
And another dimension is...
All Kamma we do...
Punya kamma( good deeds) come back as good...
Paapa kamma( bad deeds, sins) come back as bad...
Akusal ( all kamma done with craving) also leads to rebirth...
So...everytime I consume meat I leave or create a seed for rebirth as I have to pay it back..
Bhante is right with the 5x points to complete a Kamma Patha...BUT ...he does not seem to mention that " Chethana ham Bikkhawe Kamman wadaami" teaching from Sutta.
Intention also leads to rebirth.
So when I eat meat with the intention of satisfying my " taste" ....that too is against the teaching...because from the Sansaara habits as we have the habit of tasting MEAT from previous animal lives we go after the taste...
Where as as a true Buddhist we should know that when you break it down it all ( all food especially in this case) is the 4x natural elements...water..heat..air and earth.
Thank you Bhante
13:00 How to check if its genuine or not
@@SanditthikoAkaliko It's simple practice Vipassana correct 💯 and you will get a sense and you will see sense something fishy put of alignment to the truth like I felt about Buddhaghosa hence I wanted someone to expose him truely ! I didn't like buddhaghosa I don't know I just sensed something repulsing and foul smelling hearing his name and reading even a line by him that's why I came here and guess what my sense was right ! So practice Vipassana persistently and you will see this can't be said by Buddha thankfully Mahasatipatthan sutta see I did Vipassana and then saw Mahasatipatthan sutta really works means it really was from a very wise enoughtened man it will make you see through things you will have your own insight and wisdom and you will see something fishy foul smelling breathing blocking unpleasant sensation our of alignment to the true sense and then you will come to know this can't be from Buddha it must be manipulated!
සිංහලට පරිවර්තනය කිරීම ට කෙනෙක් ඉදිරිපත් වේවා යි පතම්.2015වසරෙදි මේ හිමි සහ සතිපට්ඨාන ය ගැන ලංකාදීප පත්රයේ පලවූ ලිපි යක් තවම මාලග සුරක්ෂිත ව ඇත.🇱🇰 🇱🇰 🇱🇰 🇱🇰 🇱🇰 ❤❤
Very nice summary of the complex topic of commentaries and suttas. Thanks.
Sadhu!
anyone knows how bhante knew the teacher had read mind and others?
This is some kind of story we can't relay on all things but story is true
පිරිසිදු ධර්මය එකක්,
බුද්ධඝෝෂ ගේ දහම එකක්.
oh boy.... there's so much wrong here, one might not know where to start!
Hey Bill, I've been looking into this issue recently. Do you think you could help me out, and maybe summarise what you think Ven. Bhante got wrong? All the best x
@@MegaMONI45 there are some good things he says in the talk like the issue of one pointed concentration being an incorrect understanding of samadhi... however, some of what he says is just gross generalizations. For instance plenty of "theravada" monks don't agree nor strictly follow the "commentaries". Venerables Thanissaro, Brahm, Sujato, Amaro, Nyanaploi, Brahmali, etc all disagree with things in the commentaries.. they are all considered "theravada".
Also, the characterization of Buddhaghosa and the Vissudhimagga is way off. The question, which was developed centuries after Buddhaghosa's death, wasn't whether he knew pali better than his teacher but whether he knew the "Buddha's word" better than his teacher..
There is also no substantiated facts that can show Buddhaghosa was not a meditator. In fact there is evidence of the contrary. It actually states that he was an arahat.. therefore he must have known about meditation. Right?
Also, the story about Buddhaghosa being a vedic is not correct. From Ajahn Sujato: "The idea that Buddhaghosa was a Vedic scholar is nonsense. It stems from a late hagiography. One of the standard features of later Buddhist hagiography was to claim that any teacher was a former brahmin who became converted to Buddhism after being disillusioned with brahmanism; see Moggaliputtatissa et al.. This doesn’t mean that none of them were brahmins; brahmins were around, and some of them no doubt did convert. But it means that a claim in a book written centuries after someone lived has zero credibility, unless it can be independently corroborated." Which in this case it can't be independently corroborated.
To say Buddhaghosa was not well verse in the Buddha's teaching also has no factual evidence. Agian, there's actually evidence of the contrary. These things that bhante is saying are purely his ideas not corroborated by facts. It's a bit of story telling.
@@billymac29 Thanks for the reply. I see your point, it is difficult to make assertions (that are contextually influential, by they either supportive or negational) regarding events that occured so long ago. I'm reminded of that old aphorism: 'There's always three stories, yours, mine, and what happened.'
If I may I'll put in my two cents here. In my view, superfluous of Buddhagosha's character, knowledge, or ability, be it meditative, or linguistic, his work contains some contrary attitudes to the dhammā. The 24 hour 1st Jhāna standard and the attitude of disgust regarding the body that he championed come to mind. This is not to say that the Visuddhimagga does not contain useful insight, however. One can bear witness to some of the most profound 'dhammic' behavior (or teaching, if you like) in beings that are not even conscious of Buddhism. On the other hand, one can also see disgrace committed by those in the ochre robes. Just the other day I heard of a monk who was disciplining his disciple by beating him, and proceeded to beat him to death, for example. I feel as if it goes without saying that something like that is not what the Buddha taught, and it is not dhammā.
By extension, I'm starting to form the view of 'anti-quibble', as regards the history of our practice. That feeling that orients us away from beating our fellow practitioners, which might be better said to manifest as intuition, I've decided to rely upon. If the Visuddhimagga has useful insight, then it has useful insight and it is up to us as modern dhammā practitioners to extrapolate, share and heed it. Of course the same rings true for misleading contributions.
If anything my two cents is this: The Buddhist that exists Buddha-less, is both burdened and blessed by the available material concerning the practice. Aside from liberation we have the additional task of syphoning the way to it out of millions of avenues, and resources of information. Of course sometimes there is contradiction, dispute and misery, as well as there is made-sense, agreement, and hope. If we allow misinformation to proliferate, the dhammā is doomed, if we allow disagreement to occur with hostility, we are doomed. Honest is paramount. So, Bill, thank you for speaking your piece, if you see misinformation, I would always encourage you to raise the issue. Although to resolve this issue in particular would take more than a comment section, it is better to show that something is doubtful, if there is good reason.
May you be happy, my friend
Nice discussion... 🙏
Merely meditation doesn't give you nibbana it based on understanding
You will not understand if you don't see the process. You see the process by Meditating deeply with mindfulness. When you see the actual links of dependent origination arise only then will you understand that all is impersonal and there is no self there.
It's better to followe what lord buddha said instead of followe other's
With all due respect I cant agree to this explanation...
This is only 1x dimension...
As a practicing Buddhist I ( in fact any practicing buddhist) will use " Ariya Maithree" meditation...Meththa for " ALL living beings...??? Right...?? So if I practice kindness and loving meditation " without" limits towards all living beings and consume the very meat ....???
I would be lying...and THAT is against practicing correct buddhism..
Panaathi paathaa pati virathi...
l,t
Sadhu 🙏
I still try to find one post related to Theravadi and vissudhi maga
I didn’t watch and I try to watch but unfortunately I couldn’t find out again
@@DSD394
aathaapi.org/dwncounter.php?number=123
This video clip is in Sinhala language and the teacher who has learned pali and read entire Tipitakaya & Attakatha and practice true Teravada Buddhism with correct translation for nearly 3 decades ,explain about the Buddhagosha theros's true story and our true Buddhism
What is Vimalaramsi thero says is not correct as Budda dasa , the correct name mentioned Buddharkkitha and this thero tried to get the permission from our Arahath thero lived at Sri Lanka , Maha Viharaya.But they denied his capabilities .It was meant to be translate by Buddhagosha thero.
Hope once watched the clip ,anyone will understand .
@@DSD394
download.aathaapi.org/Bana/visuddhimagga_discussions/Visuddhi%20Magga%2001.mp3
www.aathaapi.org
@@DSD394
ආතාපි website හි ඇති
විසුද්දි මග්ග දේශනාව ඇසුරිනි .
මුළු ධර්මය යනු,
සීලය මුල, සමාධිය මැද, ප්රඥාව අග ( ධර්මයෙහි මුල ,මැද අග 3 නම යහපත්ය).
සීලය නිසා සමාධිය , සමාධිය නිසා ප්රඥාව ලැබේ.
සබ්බ පාපස්ස අකරණං ....යන ගාථා ව තුළින් මෙය සඳහන් වේ.
සීලය තුළින් ත්රිවිද්ය ව ලැබේ
සමාධිය නිසා ෂඩභිඥා ලැබේ
ප්රඥාව නිසා සිව්පිළිසිඹියාව ලැබේ .
සීලය තුළින් අපායෙන් මුදවයි.
සමාධිය තුළින් කාම භවයෙන් (ලෝකයෙන්) මුදවයි .
ප්රඥාව තුළින් කාම,රූප ,අරූප ත්රිවිධ ලෝක වලින් මුදවයි.
සීලය තුළින් අත්තකිලමතානුයෝගයට නැඹුරු වේ,
සමාධිය තුළින් යලි කාමසුකල්ලිකානුයෝගය දෙසට හැරී මැද ට එයි (මධ්යම ප්රතිපදාව),
ප්රඥාව තුළින් මධ්යම ප්රතිපදාව සේවනය කර ගෙන යයි.
මෙම විසුද්දි මග්ග 1 දේශනා වේ මෙසේ ද සඳහන් කරයි ,
තදංග ප්රහානය යනු:
සීලයෙන් තාවකාලිකව, ක්ෂණික ව සිහියෙන් ප්රඥාව ඇති වෙලාවට කෙලෙස් නැති වීම නම් වේ.
විශ්කම්භන ප්රහානය යනු:
සිත ධ්යානයකට සමවැදී ඇති වන කාළ පරාසය තුල නැති වන කෙලෙස් වලටය.
සමුච්ඡේද ප්රහානය යනු:
සෝවාන් මර්ග සිත, සකෘර්දාගාමී මාර්ග සිත,අනාගාමී මාර්ග සිත,අරහත් මාර්ග සිත ආදිය මඟින් ඇති වන මාර්ග ප්රඥාව තුළින් මූලයෙන්ම කෙලෙස් කපා දැමීම,යලිත් කෙලෙස් නූපදින ආකාරයට නම් වේ.
සෝවාන් මාර්ග සිතින්,
සක්කාය දිට්ඨිය ,විචිකිච්චා ,සීලබ්බත පරාමාස සහ මිත්යා දුෂ්ටිය සමුච්ඡේද වශයෙන් ප්රහානය කරයි.
අනාගාමී මාර්ග සිතෙන් ,
කාමරාග, පට්ගය සමුච්ඡේද වශයෙන් ප්රහානය කරයි .
අරහත් මාර්ග සිතෙන්,
ඉතිරි කෙලෙස් සියල්ල ම සමුච්ඡේද වශයෙන් ප්රහානය කරයි .
වියතික්ක්රමය යනු :
සමාදන් වූ සීලයෙන් බිඳීම.
පරිවුට්ඨානය යනු :
සිල් සමාදන් වූවාට කෙලෙස් නැඟ සිටීම (ඉහලට එස වීම).
අනුෂය වශයෙන්:
සීල් සමාදන් වූවාට ,තමන් ලග තියෙන තමන් නොදන්නා සැඟවී ඇති කෙලෙස්.
ආෂය යනු
තමන් තුල ඇති තමන් දන්නා ක්ලේශ .
සීලය මඟින් ,
ක්ලේශයන් ගෙන් සිල් කැඩීමට /බිදීමට (වියතික්ක්රමය ) විරුද්ධ වේ .
සමාධිය මඟින් ,
විශ්කම්භන ප්රහානයෙන් කෙලෙස් නැගී සිටීම (පරිවුට්ඨානයට) ට විරුද්ධ වේ .
ප්රඥාව මඟින් ,
අනුෂය වශයෙන් ඇති නිදි ගත, ගුප්ත ,සැඟවී ඇති කෙලෙස් සමුච්ඡේද වශයෙන් නැති කෙරේ.
ත්රිවිධ සංක්ලේශයන් වලින් මිදේ එනම්,
සීලයෙන් -
දුෂ්චරිත සංක්ලේශයන් මිදේ(විසුද්දි වේ).
සමාධියෙන්-
තෘෂ්ණා සංක්ලේශයන් මිදේ (විසුද්දි වේ) .
ප්රඥාවෙන් -
දෘෂ්ඨි සංක්ලේශයන් මිදේ
(විසුද්දි වේ) .
"සීලය පරිපූර්ණ වූ විටයි"
සෝවාන්,සකෘර්දාගාමී වෙන්නේ .
(සීලය පරිපූර්ණ කර, සමාධිය සහ ප්රඥාව එම මාර්ග ඵලයන් ට අදාලව පුරා ඇති විට ).
"සමාධිය පරිපූර්ණ වූ විටයි" අනාගාමී වෙන්නේ .
(සීලය පරිපූර්ණ කර, සමාධිය පරිපූර්ණ කර, ප්රඥාව එම මාර්ග ඵලයට අදාලව පුරා ඇති විට ).
"ප්රඥාව පරිපූර්ණ වූ විටයි" අරහත්වය වෙන්නේ .
(සීලය පරිපූර්ණ කර, සමාධිය සහ ප්රඥාව පරිපූර්ණ කල විටයි එම මාර්ග ඵලයට පත්වන්නේ ).