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Is Alhaitham overrated as a Top DPS?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Alhaitham is a good character, but a growing sentiment in my community is that a lot of his percieved strength is actually hyperbloom's strength regardless, and in practice he isnt actually bringing much to the table. These dendro teams will always have a high damage floor, low ceiling and even then, the true upgrade is going for c2 Nahida first irrespective of playing Alhaitham or not. Also, those teams will still fall short in AOE since him adding some AOE mirror dmg will never compare to true aoe power like kazuhas suction, neuvillettes pump, or even xiaos plunges etc.
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0:00 Is it Hyperbloom or Alhaitham? Juice video reacting
1:17 Does he still sheet (calculate) high?
1:40 Looking at calculations
3:30 C2 nahida vertical investment
5:50 Hyperbloom damage distribution
6:40 Furina teams
7:48 you should pull who you like
9:40 the last time kuki shinobu was on banner
11:40 Does he do most of the damage in his teams?
13:00 Speedrun comparison Joakob
14:18 High floor?
14:50 Reacting to Jello video
15:50 free to play friendly?
17:26 Yelan vs Furina
18:07 Alhaitham vs Keqing pvp
20:29 You don't need alhaitham to play these teams?
21:40 Final thoughts on alhaitham's situation
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Channelling my inner Kaveh with this video 😅
Shout out again to juice, joakob, jello, alan, nuke, everyone' s videos I watched and reacted to. I have huge respect to everyone whether we agree or disagree and it's all love!
Reacting to the videos is more about getting discussion points and disagreement topics for the stream debate rather than actually going out of my way to be critiquing other's videos. hopefully the reaction didnt come across harsh. We don't watch vids to be negative out here
yes Yelan is preferred, I commented on that in that video of Jellos. Also, tbh i sorta just prefer to play spread with him these days with strong fischl, baizhu and c2 nahida if i need a team without hydro since i use yelan alot in other teams.
"We don't watch vids to be negative out here" By all means, watch Juice's video on Sethos. All she does is hate on him.
This madlad put that title. Maybe we should put up a dendro shield for Jamie.
Kirara!
@@whisperwalkful he meant put a shield on this guy because his take is absolutely ragebait like all the other CCs. Pretty disappointing for a TCer tbh lol.
i really love when (Dendro related character) best constellation is Nahida's C2
True for sure 😃😊
In a way it's a good thing, it's a universal way to strengthen an account's entire dendro / dendro-related roster. Well it's a problem for people who dislike Nahida I suppose, but other than that it's pretty great imo
Eula *aware*
@@q_key466 ain't no way lmaoooo
Nahida will stay the dendro queen forever even after Emilie.
That's why her C2 is the biggest upgrade for dendro teams.
Tbh I think if people thought about Alhaitham's role the same way we think about Tartag, people would be less confused lol
Except he isn't carried by XL, unlike alhaitham who's carried by hyperbloom
@@animatry7410 exactly!
@@animatry7410but bro atleast has spread unlike tartag
@@nandha-one9819 idk much about childe national but doesnt he vape everyso often, just like how haitham spreads in hyperbloom?
@@ikoutau8889 I get what you mean, but I meant the spread team variations, childe also has electro charge, but alhaitham has a bit more teams.
Thanks for the mention, and yes hes good, but for speedruning... meh, not having a good frontload and having nahida and furina Q (they are too long) makes him "meh" in speedruns
Nice video
my goat
Big Alhaitham main but the top 3 dps narrative was always kinda funny given the nature of the team people were using to put him there
His strengths are being a really comfortable driver in hyperbloom/quickbloom teams, feels good to play and flexible rotations which makes wave content in abyss not even feel like you’re playing an “onfield dps”
His Spread teams have overall higher DPS than his QuickBloom and Hyperbloom variants.
@@stylerxo3654 Nah unless you have like c6 alhaitham. Imagine quickbloom you have both alhaitham spread damage and hyperbloom damage versus alhaitham spread damage alone.
@@tranlehuy4136 C6 Alhaitham is not the breakpoint for spread. Your Yae Miko's investment level is. With a loaded/highly invested C0 Miko, your Alhaitham can switch to spread no problem.
@@stylerxo3654 nah no way. that could be true pre furina but now with furina she gives a crazy dmg buff which is great for spreads and also provide hyperblooms
@@leovu8500 so why didn't he mention Furina with AlHaitham in his videos in that case? He actually said that Furina had no impact on Alhaitham comps. Weird!
The fact that aggravate Keqing and quickbloom Alhaitham get similar speedrun clear times is something I was unaware of, even as a Keqing enthusiast. I did know that Nilou bloom was his premium team for AoE content (i'm also a big Nilou enthusiast) and honestly it makes sense when you think about it, but yeah... long live the og electro queen I guess lol
It also goes to show how characters can be underestimated or overestimated solely based on if they're standard or limited, like how many seem to think Tighnari is weak for some reason (and I think that's the case here, Keqing is an 1.0 standard character so people assume that she gets outclassed left right and center, but the more I dig into finer TC and speedrun stuff, the more I find out that it's not that simple)
I was a bit surprised too, but i play hyper invested Keqing myself (C4 Keqing, C2 Nahida, C0 Kazuha), see a lot of Keqing speedruns, and i saw some Alhaitham speedruns in some Jamie video, so i wasn't that surprised, besides that i didn't knew that the times were that close
The thing is Keqing play style feels so clunky and slow for me that I no more use her …but yeah shes strong
@@Maria-.-Kim I would say clunky is definitely possible because it's a very subjective thing, especially since she's a character who has various combos and playstyle and if you don't know them it won't feel great
But slow is strange, she has very fast paced playstyles, but i guess it's also subjective to an extent so yeah idk
@@Maria-.-Kim shes a quickswap dps with fast rotations idk sounds like a user error to me but to each their own -_-
It should be said though that the Keqing team was healerless.If it was with Yaoyao/Baizhu it would've been slower
big Alhaitham fan here. I appreciate how fun he is when it comes to rotation and how satisying are his teams.
I agree most of the reasons Alhaitham teams are good is not about Alhaitham himself, but I do think he is the best drive in those and quickbloom teams feel nice to play compared to hyperbloom.
but to be honest, Alhaitham is not a speedrun unit, which I think Jamie values a lot but most people don't
Why is he bad in speedruns?
@@elmervelazquez3549 his damage is not frontloaded enough for speedruns
@@elmervelazquez3549cuz his frontloaded not enough
I’ve been cleared a lot of 4.X abysses with Ayaka. The best DPS in the game is the one you invest into.
Im clearing all abysses by Ayaka since 2.8 🗿I agree
true shit
My C0 Eula never left abyss since 1.5
She always reliable.. So i agree with you
hahaha nice joke
@@Sen5325 maybe play the game instead of shitting on others
Not every dps has to be hypercarry people call him one of the best dps because instead of investing a lot on him he is one of the better characters to benefit the most of reactions
Being able to be an on fielder dps and a very good dendro driver is what make him great because you will have great damage on field and off field
Sure you can just use Nahida on field and not pull him but having him can add more overall team damage
He is all about team and not selfish carry sure his personal dps isn’t Arle or Neuvi level but his play style allows a lot of sub dps being able to match well in his team so it makes his teams damage very good a cover his lack of « hypercarry scalings »
ngl this is what i've been thinking just because his damage isn't as high as Hu tao, Xiao(i'm not counting neuvillette and Arle cause those 2 are fkin nuts and are obviously better.) doesn't mean he's not one of the best dps, just by being dendro means he can mix his own and other sources of damage and also his rotations are pretty flexible as well.
It is not about personal firepower but how much power the team does. Not every onfield dps is supposed to be a hyper carry. Main reason to pull for him though is to grab a dendro dps which can be pretty useful tool to have.
I was 100% going to pull him if Chevreuse was on his banner but now I am not so sure. I bet they are saving Chevreuse for Sigwinne banner. It is actually a Chevreuse banner not a Sigwinne banner.
Another way to look at Alhaitham is that he is like the Childe of quickbloom or hyperbloom teams the way Childe is to national teams. Childe is not necessary for Xiangling, Bennett, anemo teams but he brings an element of powerful AoE.
Haitham main here, i get a lot better results (much faster clear time) with furina over xq, as her app lasts longer (haitham rotations are closer to 30s than 20s) and does not need refreshing, weaving, and maintains the dendro aura but....he is not a speedrun unit, he sucks at it, and many other hbloom teams can outpace or equal him.
He is not top 3, but after Neuv, arlecchino, lyney and navia all have the strength to be 2, 3 and 4. (They all fontainians too which shows how much that region powercreeps things.) And all of them speedrun better than he can.
Overrated? Probably. Worth every single primo to save my sanity against electro lector floors? Absolutely.
Arent those easy with bennet and xiangling?
@@bulletpunch9317 It's definitely doable with them, but the Haitham+Nahida combo makes it so much easier and quicker.
@@bulletpunch9317you can use them but remember electro lectors can drain energy, using dendro teams especially with alhaitham and nahids is pretty much make the fight a breeze
Nice, a whole 5* character for two electro dudes for 2-3 abysses, that can be easily killed even with fookin yoimiya double geo vape
@@Envy_Bruh Is there a video of yoimiya doing that? People don't even run that team in the akashadatabase.
Jamie really said "motherfuck the big 3"
Neuvillette really saying "motherfuck the big 3, it's just big me"
@zedith6045 he doesn't even come close to Arlechino's dps , stop the cap
@@banjoowo4001 Arlechino is definitely the 2nd best dps there is. Neuvillette is unbeatable
@@bow-_-well well, here comes natlan
I wouldn't say he's overrated. He has one of the best baseline teams. People can't really say "carried by reactions" or "carried by dendro" because fundamentally, this is a team game. It's all about what a unit brings to the table and how well they syngergize with other units that determines their overall value, not their dmg. It's why supports are considered better pulls than DPS units.
Alhaitham does his role well. He has high frequency dendro attacks to assist Nahida in applying dendro for quickbloom comps. And his dual-scaling really elevates his dmg a lot. Actually, it's probably tri or quad scaling with how he has an additional passive that further scales with EM, and his signature weapon as well, if you can manage to get it.
ngl he's one of the few characters that did a significant part of the team dps in quickbloom teams, anything outside of Cyno and Neuvi Feels worse?? not to mention being flexible and cheap.
He did do exceptionally good winning single cost prized competitions in CN but these are also niche competitions since handicapping main DPS at C0R0 is not a standard in CN whereas in EN, it is the baseline for every 5* being assumed in sheets.
In 4 cost runs, characters like Hu Tao will be played at C1R1, Wanderer will be played at C2R1, therefore Alhaitham falls behind quite a lot. Since majority of teams in speedruns are hypercarry based, they also significantly benefit more from investment whereas Alhaitham doesn't benefit as much as they do at equally high artifact investment + crowned talents due to his team damage profile. And if you add C1-C2 + signature weapon, it's not even close which is why he just doesn't do well even in low cost speedrunning.
It's hilarious that now that this video is out, people are now regurgitating this opinion to crap on and mock Alhaitham in places. People really just can't wait until a popular CC can give them material to bash another character and prop up their fave.
sounds like toxic people the title being is he "overrated as a Top DPS?" is not "overrated and a bad character?". the video is just asking is he overhyped as one of the big dogs. unless people aren't actually watching the full video and just looking for something to argue about
everyone knows alhaitham has been overhyped for like a year by casuals
hi jamie!!!
thank you for reacting to my alhaitham video C: i'm happy to hear criticisms from an experienced theorycrafter's perspective!!!
great video, thorough analysis & don't worry you weren't too harsh. what i meant with the investment points was that at C0R1 i find him to be very strong, but investing more doesn't matter much because his cons/higher investment kinda sucks until C6
also with HOD, one of my favourite al teams is al/yelan/raiden/baizhu, & baizhu usually covers the HOD healing. HOD is very conditional that is true
this was a new & fresh perspective for me on this character, thank you! :)
lots of love, hope the video was at least a fun watch ^-^
Everything is valid, except the furina take, it's soo good to use him with furina.
Yes, Furina does have AoE. I can really feel it in certain situations where Yelan should theoretically be faster
Very insightful video. The paradox abt cons and weapons are not really a paradox but more like an error in logical reasoning. It's fascinating since it's often overlooked but quite obvious and absurd if we think abt it. F2p-friendliness should be based on baseline performance. Characters with strong baseline performance is always F2P-friendly. If anything, strong early cons/weapons make them even better.
Dunno, I have a C2R1 Raiden that I benched for months but I've actually never really benched Alhaitham (yet). He and Neuvillette are always my first choice when I want to clear the Abyss before screwing around with other characters for fun.
And I think it's probably because of the Nilou team. I don't use him in Hyperbloom or spread anymore because they don't feel nearly as good. Even in the current Abyss, I felt much better just brute forcing the Baptist with the Nilou bloom team rather than using pyro or electro.
It really comes down to the same reason why Neuvillette feels so great. The Nilou/Alhaitham team has amazing mobility, is absolutely excellent in multiwave contents, has great single target dmg, and has even better AoE dmg.
Why not the Kokomi/Nahida core? Kokomi feels very sluggish in comparison, and Nahida's toddler movements aren't any better. Not to mention you need to play really well to max out the team's single target dmg, managing Kokomi's Jellyfish refresh, nailing the Jellyfish's position, and not wasting Kokomi's burst uptime in multiwave content. It's just not the same kind of beast.
what characters do you suggest I use in nilou-alhaitham team? fyi I have nahida, kokomi baizhu, furina, xingqiu, yelan and yao yao
@@Specter_Me Mine are EM xq and C1 Baizhu for max comfort.
Thank you so much, your videos are always incredibly enlightening and I love your exposition.
I do not own alhaitham, and yet, quite recently, probably also influenced by a lot of content creators’ opinions like jello and juice, I started believing he was an outstanding dps, almost to the levels of neuvilette or Arlecchino, to the point I was recently defending him despite me not even owning the character. Thank you for helping me reassess my opinion.
alhaitham pvp lets go
11:16 as a Nilou enthusiast I have to agree
If you know you know.
I think most of the points brought up by you and the videos here are nearly irrelevant to more than 99% of people who play this game. People who pull Alhaitham with or without Nahida are going to find him very strong, pretty straight forward to play, flexible, and generally one of the best choices for people who's aim is to clear spiral consistently.
1. He can very easily drive hyperbloom with AND without Nahida (just because he's stronger with Nahida doesn't mean he is bad or even "mid").
2. He has flexibility in most slots for all of his team architypes. (Xinqiu/Yelan/Furina, Nahida/Baizhu,Yaoyao/Collei/Traveler, Kuki/Raiden/Yae/Fischl, Zhongli)
3. He doesn't use Bennett.
4. He has variations in his dps windows depending on what kind of content you are against and doesn't need his burst to do enough damage to clear waves.
5. His personal and team damage are generally both high. It seemed like this was considered more of a con because 'he doesn't bring that much to his teams' but it's in my opinion the opposite. He adds frontloaded damage, aoe, and even stronger sustained damage to a team that generally only has sustained damage, leading to very comfy and fast clears against almost anything.
6. His weapon choices are not hugely important, but he has multiple strong 100% f2p weapons. His weapon is however very good especially for pure spread teams.
7. If you are looking from a speedrunning perspective, he is never going to get the fastest times due to the nature of his teams and setups. This is generally irrelevant because speedrunning times do not necessarily equal character strength. A character who has 10-20 second slower speed-runs may be superior at consistently clearing abyss in the allotted time, which is what most people probably care about.
8. The alternate teams brought up like with Fischl are just gonna be slower, harder to play, and less damage in practice for even advanced players, let alone casual players.
I'm not trying to write this in the vein of defending or justifying my pulls or anything. I think when trying to describe "top" character in games like this, people tend to write more negative reviews of things that are older for the sake of generating controversy and pulling engagement. Alhaitham has enough going for him that I would consider him to be a top character.
How is fischl hyperbloom hard to play though? Just use all skills and then auto attack on nahida
@XLinkiboy you're right, it's definitely an overestimate on that teams difficulty. In comparison to Alhaitham, I think Fischl is harder because you have less aoe, need to stay on Nahida who has less base stats, less movement, no forward movement on basic attacks (which may or may not matter) and needs to switch back to Fischl to recast skill which can be spooky. Also using charged attacks on Nahida makes it less safe but most people don't do that.
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Like, all you can do in quickbloom with Alhaitham you can do with more ease with Keqing, sure her damage is a bit low, but both are being carried by hyperbloom anyway, so this isn't something noticiable by the low skill players.
Its not like he's that much confortable as you need to learn his combos to Stack mirrors, Double hydro hyperbloom is way more confortable, Just smash the NA and you're good
@@lucasayabe because Alhaitham is more comfortable in AOE, DPS is not Kazuha-locked, AND DOESNT MIND INTERRUPTIONS.
@@chimilicitypjm459 If you want confort why not play Neuvillette hyperbloom? I'm sure he has more damage and confort
About the fischl comparison - one thing to note is that fischl is almost 100% single-target locked and haitham isn't, so the sim numbers aren't directly comparable.
i agree - but people are often tired of me making speedrun comparisons so I can also mix it up and show calculation comparisons too
@@jamiekb9v I'm not tired of speedrun comparisons, i think more speedruns is better in fact!
@@jamiekb9v TBH I think people overrate Alhaitham's advantage in AoE anyway. Your hydro application is still single-target so your Hyperbloom damage doesn't scale in AoE, and Kuki's Electro application is pretty small against un-grouped enemies. So the only part of your damage that is scaling significantly in AoE is Alhaitham's non-Spread personal damage--which is not THAT much.
@@zorgling25 unless the abyss has projectile enemies that are placed far apart, majority of them WILL BE APPLIED ELECTRO. There’s a reason why Alhaitham never dipped hard on single-target and aoe abysses unless there’s dendro-immunity. It’s so asinine that people are saying these wild stuffs lmao.
You are completely wrong. Fischl is pretty useful for many AoE scenarios. Because of how her DPS works, including triggering her passive on different enemies, as well as repositioning. Most of the time she was most useful non-geo character on my Noelle team before Furina and still top pick. Also, Fischl is very good for salad, like with Venti, just amazing for AoE, team that was one of the best in Abyss not long ago. You look at things in a very narrow way and you don't see which details are crucial for performance.
The best thing about Alhaitham is his synergy with the already good dendro team cores like hyperbloom but he alone isn't insane but he's still good just not broken like neuvillette.
the greatest strength of alhaitham is his flexibility on multiwave content
you can't sheet that
yea but so are neuvilette and arlecchino, who alhaitham is being compared to a top dps, and in those scenarios he's not really comparable to them (opinion)
Xiao exists
No one called him better than them, even in non multi wave cases. @@April2x
@@insideurwalls3758 sure but they do call him equal to them, which could misinform newer players to invest their scarce primos into the wrong unit
yep, and that is especially true with Nilou
I guess that's also why the Keqing speedrun was so close, multi-wave is perfect for her
I get your argument about free to play friendly has little to do with constellations.
Except that F2P are still normal people who want powerful characters. So yeah it someone has shitty comps, their cons will be seen as entirely negligeable and a good investment to make your account and unit shine without wasting pulls.
On the other hand, if someone has a premium C1 that enhance quality of life (especially) or early very strong cons (Nahida/Furina comes to mind) they're seen as not F2P friendly. It's imo because a noticeable "ceiling" is available for a reasonable investment, which is an incentive to pull for many (even F2P, I'm a day one F2P players with multiple accounts and these days I simply go for cons and signature weapons lol). It also means that a large party of the population will feel like it's "normal" to go for cons, and you'll see a bunch of TH-cam showcases with constellations, which will reinforce this.
And when the "norm" or a very popular option is 5* C2, yes the character doesn't feel F2P friendly anymore. No matter how controversial this take is and no matter how good they are at C0.
I'm not necessarily agreeing with this view, but I fully get the frustration. And I guess it's simply a vocabulary issue. But with lack of better expression, we use "not F2P friendly" simply because said characters feel "complete" or optimal with early cons.
IMO "f2p friendly" should only be looking at low investment performance in a vacuum, c0 r0 as well as other things like whether they depend on investment in paricular other supports (e.g. C6 Faruzan). I think the issue is that in casual, colloquial conversation, people just talk about character strength without context, but pull for constellations and weapons if they're strong, so the "perceived strength" in the community discourse of a character like Hu Tao or Furina can be distorted upwards because they have strong early cons, in a way that doesn't reflect their c0r0 performance accurately. People are correctly wary about pulling a character that "needs" their constellations or weapon. But yeah if it's going to the extent that characters are seen as not f2p friendly just because their weapon and cons are bad that's obviously too far
alhaitam really turned other dendro teams obsolete for me
like salad curry aggrevate are good
but alhaitam quickbloom is just the most consistent and multifunctional on any abyss clears
Shouldn't we be talking about Spread/Aggravate? I find it's much better than his hyperbloom teams, but yes, it's high investment.
The teams he used here aren't even in his top 3.
another Spread/aggravate enjoyer! I personally like his Spread/aggra team more than hyperbloom I was never a fan of hyperbloom teams
I think he is pretty strong but not really for speedrunning, for low to mid invest, he does a lot of damage, brings a lot more aoe to hyperbloom teams especially if using Xingqiu, he can play Alhaitham Xingqiu Kuki flex (often Nahida) and that team is pretty much unkillable he isn't completely burst reliant, he is kinda low ping reliant though which is bad for certain players like Neuvillette really wanting 60 fps for his charged attacks not to just randomly fail while still consuming 3 droplets
I think TC generally have very wrong comparison on what const 4 stars most ppl have. I play for 3 y and I targeted XL, XQ, Beny, Faruzan but for example my fischl is still c4. It becomes harder and harder to get const on 4 stars.
from the 4 stars released past 1.5 y I have most of them at C0-c2. I even targeted specifically Chevruesse and get her to... C0.
a 5 star should be compared to C2-c4 for the 4 stars ... thats the math if you are 2.0 + player...
on average you need 110 pulls for a 5 star but you need 240+ for c6 4 star...
contrary on also wrong opinion 4 stars show up at almost the same rate as 5 stars. we have 4 5 stars per patch and 6 4 stars. but the 5 stars are 30 while 4 stars are 40. it becomes worse cos you dont pull for 4 stars and I have c8+ Thoma that I dont need, c10 Gorou, c10 Beidou, Xl etc.
I aways wondered why Fichl was so overhyped but her C6 actually gives a lot - 4 seconds longer Oz is huge for dmg and energy generation.
Regardign Alhaitham mine is with his sig and compared to other HB teams he feels stronger cos he kinda have a burst dmg and a huge dendro app. so you destroy shields. He is not however speedrun material cos still his dmg is spread.
yeah some TCs unfortunately have a problem where c0 five stars and c6 four stars are treated as like equivalent, which is pretty insane for most situations. IMO the fair comparison would be approximately either c0 five star to c2ish four star, or c2 five star to c6 four star, that's like relatively close to the same level of investment. It affects perception of unit strength a lot too, you see stuff like people arguing the difference between Xingqiu and Yelan in damage and energy isn't that big because Xingqiu has constellations including c6 that help with both, but then they don't consider Yelan's good c1 or c2, the c1 easily putting her far far ahead in terms of energy.
I would go so far as to say that if a four star *requires* c6 to be good, they just are not good for the average player and you need to be really specific and careful about how you discuss them.
I'd take alhaitham batchesting over hu tao or lyney batchesting anyday
Main points presented by jamie seem to be:
- same sheet dmg as fischl if he's replaced by Fischl
- same clear times as C0 keqing in pvp in equivalent teams
- not a performer in top speedruns
- best alhaitham team in aoe is Nilou. but nilou's best team is not alhaitham(?)
There was also a remark on how neuvillette is at the very top, and then everyone else is below and "nobody really cares where anyone else is". which I thought was a little anti-topic.
He also says in the video that overall Alhaitham is mid, or below mid even, which I guesstimate is because Nahida exist? with Nahida being in his best team, his dendro application is not valuable so he's just an on-field damager with low-ish numbers since Hoyo had to tune him down to reflect the strong floor of these types of quickbloom teams.
There was also a short remark on Alhaitham free-ing nahida from running deepwood set, which Jamie rebutted by saying it'll significantly harm uptime. which I think was fair.
i also wish jamie could produce a bit more nuance, in a way that zajef is able to. zajef would've balanced avg player usability or even casual player usability into the equation since dendro core is designed to be high floor low ceiling anyway, not scaling well with vertical investment compared to vape/melts, so there is no point harping against Alhaitham in speedruns. He's not supposed to be there, so using speedruns in examples is kinda moot.
Hi thanks for the comment but I didn't say mid, I said he's average alongside most of the other dpses. the timestamp is 13:50
it's important to quote that accurately since the community generally uses mid as a bad thing.
and then i said if someones into speedrunning (most people aren't) then he's possibly below average.
@@jamiekb9vfunny how mid and average means the same thing but they are perceived differently
@@haruhiiragi6324 right, the difference between his assumption and zajef’s + jstern is stark. They both said Alhaitham is above average BUT not as necessary (unlike Neuv) because Nahida and her C2 can be greater value. Nevertheless, they both acknowledge that Alhaitham has barely any weakness on today’s abyss. Can shred high dendro res pretty easily, f2p has high floor and comparative with 5-star weapons, easy mechanics, and interruptions aren’t a big deal. Those things are not something you can simply get when playing Hutao, Lyney, etc outside of spreadsheet impact LMFAO.
Used to overrate him myself a lot cuz I assumed the things people say about him are true. After getting chances to play him myself idt he's actually anything special like what he's made out to be
That's the same for every dps unit except for Neuvillette 😅
@@diego6991 Pretty much yeah. That's why I mostly only roll for support.
I don't have Alhaitham so it's always interesting to hear people talk about him, he's clearly at least pretty good but hard to tell beyond that. Do people actually think bad cons + weapon make a character more f2p friendly? I always figured it was just about c0r0 performance (as well as other things like requiring specific supports)
Are the builds in those videos just trash? Because my C0R1 Alhaitham is getting like double their numbers lol
Hello everyone. I have been playing C0R0 Alhaitham since 3.4. I play him 70% of the time in spread with a C0 Widsith 73:200 Miko. I play him 30% of the time in quickbloom. Here are things I want you to know about Alhaitham:
1.) Alhaitham is a powerful team driver with great personal dps. His greatest strength is his flexibility and his ability to superbly tackle several types of content, whether aoe, single target, or multi-wave. He is not necessarily the best unit for each task but he will perform each task superbly once you mastered how to use him.
2.) Anyone who tells you Alhaitham is carried by his team is talking out of their asses. Genshin is a 4-character party game. Each of those 4 has to be pulling their weight. And he pulls his fair share of weight. And people saying that "X character is artificially stronger because he can use Y character, unlike Z character who cannot use Y character" are not worth listening to.
3.) Alhaitham is a character whose paper dps largely carries over to his actual practical output. Not as well as Neuvillette of course. Neuvillette is a monster and category on his own, one whose paper dps matches closely with his actual dps due to how easily his damage application is delivered. Alhaitham does that because his mirrors have sufficient enough area of effect and the simple fact that quicken does not really care about the exact sequence of application between electro and dendro unless you are trying to really optimize it by having Kazuha swirl the electro first. The only real concern with Alhaitham in his most popular archetype is if the hydro application overtakes the quicken aura meaning he cannot trigger spread anymore.
4.) Harbinger of Dawn is a scam. He has pretty good 4 star weapon options that you can get without paying but, without crit weapons, you will struggle to keep his crit ratio. That is a downside you must ready yourself for.
5.) His domain is pretty resin efficient because you will not only be farming for him but for his sub-dps and for Nahida. Probably not as resin efficient as Marechausse mind you.
6.) If you are pulling for him just because you think he is meta (he is), do not. Genshin is at a point where a lot of on fielders are pretty viable and Abyss damage requirement is not exactly punishingly high. It is mostly about learning your rotations and buff sequence and learning how to game the enemy AI so they group themselves up. And there is a good chance you will find those things more fun with a character you have more fun with using. I mean, look at me. Arlecchino is the second strongest on-fielder currently and you will not see me pull for her because I heavily dislike her and the kid gloves the writers handled her with. I will have to learn her rotations for the Imaginarium Theater so I can use the trial one just two times in the theater and it is going to be unfun as hell.
Underrated point you made there. :) Resin efficient domains is partly how I decide who to pull for. The fact that I can built two solid 5stars (Nahida + Alhaitham) with one domain is amazing. Same reason why I also got Furina and Neuvillette. I value my sanity.
Also, I just like the play style? Which is valid enough of a reason no? Like I’ll always skip Lynney cuz he’s boring af to me. Same when Ganyu was meta.
yeah I have very different opinions on the characters but fully agree, don't pull characters just because they're meta, you won't catch me pulling Neuvillette because of that because I just don't care how much he's the best DPS in the game, I think he's boring and have other good characters that I like way more
Xiangling best dps in teyvat
The narrative of Haitham being top 3 DPS has always been iffy to me. It’s more like the Quickbloom/Spread cores were already good and Haitham is just the least annoying 5 star on-fielder to play in that slot between him, Tighnari, and Cyno.
True, idk what started this notion. Many version 1 characters have surpassed him
This is absolutely not true lmao. @@alatus_knight
Alhaitham still has overall team damage that is equivalent to Neuvilette, and he is way easier to build than any of the other top DPSes. You also don't have to do annoying combos like jump and dash canceling to maintain that DPS.
@@stylerxo3654 it's true. Xiao and childe are comparable, if not slightly better at c0r1, hu tao's better against bosses.
This is where his strength his he benefits the most of the reaction sure you can say he is carried by reaction but that’s how he is meant to be played and is doing a really good job at it
He preforms really well for me personally, he's my second go-to dps after neuvilette and probably my best furinaless carry. He's definitely above average unless you speedrun or you're a hb sweatlord
It's debatable whether he is overrated or not when a standard dendro DPS like Tighnari exists.
Furina is way better for him that yelan even if you dont press her ultimate at all because with yelan or xq you have 0 quicken uptime in practice. Plus yelans ulti is way too short for his split rotation it feels like ass to play.
Yep, I do prefer Furina teams especially as a high ping player.
Everyday I cope for a teamwide electro 5star healer with electro application
... but you lose a bunch of HB triggers for that, so in the end you're doing the same damage with Furina focusing on spread and xingqiu/yelan focusing on HB
@@rascalvo Furina variant does feel better in AoE scenarios tho
0 quicken uptime? What? Alhaitham basically triggers spread on all his hits allowed by ICD and so does Nahida, i tested Alhaitham/Nahida/Kuki/Yelan
Idk why you said 0 quicken uptime, but that's a lie straight up
No. You do slightly more dps@@rascalvo
As a Co-op player, I rarely see Alhaitham users in boss fights because I believe he needs at least electro to do elemental dmg. I feel like mono element DPS that can be invested in with cons, weapons, and artifacts are more fun.
Umm abt the calcs. Alhaitham is the best character for hyper bloom with furina and thats his hihest dps team not the ones with yelan and xingwui and fischl, collei etc wont perform as well with furina but regardless his dps isnt much higjer than other well invested hyperbloom varients. Also he has more aoe than fischl.
There are a few things that also need to be taken into account when analizing Alhaitham.
1: He doesn't have a decent artifact set, Guilded is only like 1-2% more personal DPR than 2 piece 2 piece.
2: People underestimate spread teams, at hig investment they hit hard.
3: Let's keep talking about spread :v, all his current electro teamates have low sinergy with him, sounds crazy i know, but hear me out, look at Fischl, yes she does decent dmg, but she almost doesn't proc her A4, now lets say Hoyoverse releases a dedicated sub dps that does the dmg Fischl should do procing her A4, that would be a nice little dmg increase.
PD: We don't talk about Yae cuz the reality is that Fischl>Yae cuz of her horrendously long field time.
Now, let's look at the other options for spread, Zhongli, i mean, cmo'n XD, and Kuki, what does she do besides healing? +120em from instructor and +120em from Sapwood, she doesn't do anything else, now let's say they finally release the spread dedicated suport that can also carry instructor cuz why not? and some suport weapon like Sapwood or Elegy (is realistic to believe they will cuz all other elements have one), that would be a very noticeable dmg increase.
Even not taking the Fischl replacement into account, just by getting a dedicated spread suport and a good artifact set would be a sizable dmg increase.
4: I know the lv100 thing is just a rumor, but just cope with me for a minute, i mean, they have the lv100 stats and stuff in their official Genshin Impact Wiki, that has to mean something. the dmg increase for dendro reactions multiplier from lv90 to 100 is like 40%, that's a loot.
I trully believe hes just missing a loot of stuff.
Also even not taking anything i said before into account, it's just powercreep, when he came out he was a top tier dps, stronger than most of the previous characters, then the next region came and with it the usual powercreep, just look at this, they release Eula, Klee, then the powercreep came with Hu Tao, Ayaka, Raiden, then powercreep again with Sumeru and Alhaitham, Nahida, Nilou, now it's happenig with Fontaine, and it will also happen with Natlan and so on, i mean is a gacha game that's what they do, some times they revamp some characters with dedicated suports and stuff, like it happended to Xiao with Faruzan, to Riaden with Chev, to some other characters with Xianyun, that's why i strongly believe they will most likely realease characters for Alhaitham.
They released way too many DPS in fontaine I hope they calm down a lot for Natlan.
sadly Hu Tao released before Eula, that's how dirty they did her. I do feel Eula could be a lot better if she had supports that worked well with what she needs and were also like, as generally good as Bennett, Kazuha, Xiangling, Xingqiu, etc. are
yooo I was pvp fuel.
I've watched the video again and I'd like to clarify at 17:57. I might have misunderstood or misheard you , for some reason in my head I was thinking about XQ vs Yelan lol. Might've played a game in the BG and came in mid discussion.
For comfort I'd prefer XQ over Yelan and Furina. If I want a more offensive option, I'd actually go with Furina over Yelan.
Overall nice discussion. My thoughts on Al-haitham are still very positive. Easy and comfortable to play. Very consistent high damage but lacks frontloaded damage unfortunately.
I think most of these videos would have been more accurate if they just changed to wording from *Top Tier Dps* to *Top Tier Driver* . I also think that this is unlikely to happen because it will make the video kinda not ✨sexy✨. But the fact that these teams are strong is no exaggerate, regardless if the Hyperbloom reaction is carrying that team or not. Might be a side grade to Nahida, but I believe being a side grade to a great team isn’t really that bad thing to begin with.
Also I personally consider Alhaithem in Nilou bloom teams downright bad, would lift it up to viable if you are really a hardcore, but that’s it. Yaoyao skill healing sucks, and kirara shield might absorb the Bountiful Cores, but she is no Zhongli and her shield will break with 2 aggressive hits. And finally Kokomi healing is stationary and that kinda defeats the purpose of Aoe Hyperblooms, beside that you are building her full EM so her healing isn’t even that great as you used to. Basically you well *need* to heal using something that takes your Alhaithem of-field or *you will die* 21:28 . And guess what? Alhiathem of-field presents is as good as his homeless friend in abyss, nonexistent.
I don’t really understand if this team is some kind of an inside joke in the TC community. But I want you to understand that, you no longer have have a small community now. Your words influence a lot of people. Saying controversial stuff, tho might higher your watch rate and stuff in the short run, it will only hurt you in the long run…
Regardless of what I said or my opinions, I still really enjoy your content so don’t take it harshly! Keep it up, am looking forward to your next video!
hi! I recommend joining my discord server to ask other people there and you can learn about alhaitham bloom. its definitely a real team i've been promoting for a while, in fact TheGenshinScientist learned about it and then covered it in his recent alhaitham guide too you could watch.
@@jamiekb9v sure now I have a reason to install Discord lmao
Should I go for Clorinde or Alhaitham? I like the playstyles of both and I absolutely love quicken and have both Nahida, Shinobu with her 15s skill constellation and Furina, Keqing who I main with Kazuha Baizhi and Fischl and Yelan and other dendro supports. They're just so similar that I want an outside opinion to help with my decision making.
Do you want dendro Childe or electro Ayato
Very simple
I'm pretty sure Clorinde is more or less the same as a high con Keqing with added comfort due to the free healing. If you feel comfortable with Keqing her pull value drops tremendously, you're effectively just getting a limited one. This is purely something you should decide yourself. Try the trial out when she comes out, test both, vote on your aesthetics, etc.
@@episode4882 honestly they seem pretty much the same with three button presses into a different button press (N3D for Alhaitham and S3N1 for Clorinde).
@@Evolutez her numbers are Fontaine standard, but her kit is as ancient as Ayato bcs of her 7.5/16 duration/cooldown, she has 8.5secs CD, longer than her duration
Now don’t say just use TF, it’s a dumb design if her flaws need to be ‘fixed’ by artifacts from 1.x instead of using the new BOL set
It’s a matter of feeling satisfying to play or not, considering she’s a near end of Fontaine patch character, especially after the likes of Neuvillette, Arlecchino, I don’t see why they decided to make electro Ayato
@@Evolutez the problem I have are that they're basically the same and have basically the same support characters that I'm willing to allocate to them and all my funds are going into Firefly so I'm not spending money on either of them but I want to get at least one of them.
Eh i still use raiden all the time over kuki in hyperbloom. Either you have skillisue and use ZL or just get good.
Honestly, if you look at this game theough the lens of speed running, which not everybody really cares about, then there really arent that many good characters to invest in at all. What makes Alhaitham comparable to Neuvilette and Arlecchino is that his overall team damage is near or equal to theirs without needing a fuckload of investment to make that happen. He's also way easier to make comparable to them without having to jump and dash cancel your combos, which can be tedious to learn for most players in this game.
Neuvi and Arleccino are brain dead easy to play what do you mean.
Arlecchino gets great DPS while being pretty easy to play, yeah you can do like N3 cancels and it's technically better but it's really not that big a difference compared to just spamming normals and dodging when you have to. It's one of her biggest upsides over Hu Tao
I just played the fischl team yesterday. And i dont know what it is but it wasnt even clearing faster than my keqing aggravate team. It was aoe, the 4.7 phase 1. I cant see it performing better than alhaitham and alhaitham is harder to use than just swap go crazy
Too bad people hardly ever talk about Nilou teams with him.
He doesn’t want to because he wants to keep pushing his collei kokomi nilou team.
I try my best!
@@chimilicitypjm459 if you're talking about me then you must have never watched my content before considering I've been showing and teaching people about nilou-alhaitham for over a year, as well as many guides for nilou teams in general 👍
@@jamiekb9v that’s quite an exaggeration considering majority of your nilou guides is nahida-collei-kokomi. I became a follower because of it, but the recent takes is just taking me out.
@@chimilicitypjm459 I also wrote "the nilou mains guide" which became probably the most comprehensive source and popular resource for learning dozens of nilou teams..😅 I've never heard this criticism before considering i've been called the nilou guy
I understand if it was intentional, I also understand this is by and large react content, but this video felt very unorganized. I'd imagine dedicated videos take significantly more effort, but I hope it doesn't become a trend and you make these type of content from the ground to tidy it up instead.
i've got 2 types of vids. normal recorded videos which i do mostly, but also since i started streaming I enjoy sharing some of these stream highlight type of videos, especially if its a video that wouldn't have been seen otherwise. I usually do recorded videos but thanks for the feedback still!
so what should we do? play xiangling with bennett?
Yes
Did you even watch the video? Play whoever you want is what Jamie always says, he skipped alre to pull for clorinde so it's not like he's going back on his words. He is sharing his opinion on why alhaithem isn't really as good a dps as people think of him to be.
The only abyss setup that matters, and the only team that will ever matter, continues to be national on one side and NeuviFurina on the other. All other teams are F-tier in comparison, especially from a TC perspective.
OPPA
Alhaitham is like Childe of dendro
Except Childe is better and need only 4 stars and a good weapon unlike pull Nahida C2
@@Gareebo12ive been playing al haitham since release, c0 nahida is enough, even without her hes still very good. Keep crying
@@VoxXxn You are the one crying 😂
With C0 Nahida he isn't even in top dps teams
@@Gareebo12 Childe’s best vertical investment is Kazuha C2, let’s be real here
@@Gareebo12 i cleared the abyss multiple times with him on one side and lyney/wrio on the other, without nahida, and i have neuvi and arle too, hes one of the best dps characters and u cant deny it
haitham being good is that he doesnt take other popular teams support core, like kazuha bennett.
i rarely seeing him bring praise in my circle, its more of underrated for me.
Nahida(c2) is my only dendro build character and i haver never felt temptation to pull for any other dendro unit. All of them feel kinda redundant.
tbh he's got a good base value but it kinda just got stuck there. More cost won't push him further like it does with most new units, or even old units like raiden hutao ayaka. His gameplay seems easy but that's before fontaine, and 4-wave contents we are constantly getting wont help. He's good, but top tier good? Not really. He still beats A tier dps like xiao wanderer ayato and sometimes ayaka/navia but can't compete with S tier anymore
Xiao is a top dps tho, and every dps except neuvillete is considered A and below if your top tier is S
@@Zythroxes if we consider units just by speed and adaptability to content, disregarding skill issues, then S tier should be sth like neu, arlec, raiden, lyney. Xiao was never faster compared to these ones, and content just love to counter anemo damage, no top for you sorry
The best Dendro DPS is the Dendro core.
The floor for Dendro DPS is lower than the other elements because of the blooms really in my opinion. Spread is great and all but add hydro to the mix make the teams damage go up.
The floor is higher and ceiling is lower
Why don't you cry about Pyro and hydro dps using rxns
How would you rate Nilou pull value at thia stage of the game if she gets a re run in 4.8? (Which i think is likely but eh hoyo things). Also has your favourite Nilou team changed since your early vids?
Interesting takes
Yea i don't think that's a fair assessment, comparing him to fischl in hyperbloom since u're losing quicken every xq ult proc, that's why furina is that big of an increase over xq, not only becuz of dmg% buff, but cuz investing into his own dmg is way more rewarding than investing into hyperbloom, with furina he simply does 60% of the team's dmg so u can't RLY say he's being carried
With xq u're more of investing into hyperbloom with the higher app, with furina, the slow app helps keep the quicken aura more consistently, yelan is a worse option too
And the point about the speedrunning, it's just that his dmg is backloaded, u can't rly make good speedruns without that frontloaded dmg in ur rotation, BUT the diff will show whenever the bosses hp gets buffed
Exactly, Jamie doesn't even own alhaitham and yapping from just seeing few videos.
I was really surprised hearing about the narrative of alhaitham being a contender for best dps, up the top with neuvillette and arlecchino. I always thought that the consensus was that he's a worse nahida in all of the teams you'd want to play her in, and in the teams where you actively want to play alhaitham, you also need nahida anyway.
Personally I always lock him to a double hydro hyperbloom (though I have been experimenting with hyperburgeon w/ thoma for the latest abyss). He's one of my most well built characters, and triple crowned, but I just don't have a lot of faith in the spread reaction, and don't know where people are pulling out these crazy main dps numbers from.
Tbh, I also don't really care what people think of him, I mainly pulled him cause he's so fucking cool and fun to play. Definitely one of my fav characters!
as i always say pull who you like! thats the most important thing
This is such a dumb argument. In AOE, fischl is way bad than Alhaitham. Be for real. You’ve been such a cliche CC ever since that Xianyun take.
like obv this is a team game, and with less hyperbloom with Kuki + Furina, Alhaitham is surpassing Xingqiu team, this is just ridiculous take. Mind yall, the same person who clickbait Xiao on Xianyun video without even talking about him.
I think you just don't understand the term overrated. People argue he's comparable to Neuvillette or Arlecchino. You can't just replace those 2 characters in their best teams with a 4 star and get similar results. He isn't on their level, it's kinda of obvious
@@mf2854 there are far more better dps in a specific niche than Arle and Neuv. Lyney can outmatch both in single target but that doesn’t make him better DPS overall. Same logic here. You guys need to be for damn real.
@@chimilicitypjm459 that's why Lyney is also a good DPS, but his drawbacks are far more extreme than Neuvillette who barely has any, or Arlecchino. Regardless, all three can dunk on alhaitham in single target content too, that's why he isn't on their level.
@@mf2854 lyney does not dunk alhaitham not in any other aspect. No circle impact, high damage on BOTH aoe and single target, doesnt mind interruption, and non-competing with bennett, kazuha, etc. like you’re losing ur mind if you think the top three is Neuv, Arle, and lyney. 😂😂
Finally someone who has a similar opinion to me!
I've always questioned Alhaitham's value because I never saw how he was apparently much better than the other options, especially in Hyperbloom.
About the video, when you zoom in on the chat, it would be nice if you could highlight the message you want to show better, because I can't tell what you're trying to make me focus on when there is 3 messages on screen...
thanks for that feedback! i'll try to implement that in future videos
@@jamiekb9v It's a pleasure! I really love your content 😊
He is better lol.
I like this video a lot, keep up the good work
20:16 - 20:26 Jello catching strays. 💀
10:09 ah yes 3.6 the banner where i pulled Nahida and c1 for Nilou, brought all 4* (layla, dori, kuki) to c6, but also i swiped so beware
Gotta pull a bit of a reality check for a moment here.... There's a difference between being a "good player" and getting maximally potent results
A good player has a strong skillset in understanding how to manipulate the mechanics of the game for best effect in the many available scenarios devs throw out. A good player knows the intricacies of team building, unit building, and what makes a unit stronger or weaker in various roles. A good player, essentially, knows what sorts of things to do, when to do them, how to do them, and WHY to do them in that whatever ways... and also can use their available hardware to act on that knowledge
Maximal potency generally requires being a good player, but ALSO having the hardware elements to boost those capabilities. THIS is where things like interface (keyboard & mouse vs controller), infrastructure access (available bandwidth for low ping), and device specs come into play
NONE of those things have anything to do with being a good player or not. Whether Jello is a good player or not isn't a matter I'm qualified to comment on, but I am plenty within reason to point out that him being a controller player has NOTHING to do with whether or not he's a good player
If anything, having a less optimal control interface PRESSES players toward being better at all of the things which make a player good at a game
Think about it. It's essentially playing with a hardware handicap... which means the player has to work harder and become better at the game, itself, to achieve potent results
Alhaitam facing the fraud allegations lol
My haitham is pretty good. He can even complete abyss without Nahida (Not always with 3 stars though). He is not overrated. If anything he's underrated considering how few people actually pull for him
Edit: I run him on spread team btw with Fischl and Raiden and Baizhu and he clearly deals around 40k with a single hit 9-10 times per rotation with his ult.
Absolutely
Can anyone here elaborate more on personal thoughs on his nilou teams? I really like nilou, but collei drives me nuts at times.
i don't have alhaitham but based on what I've seen of his Nilou teams they seem to use Xingqiu / Yelan as the 3rd slot and then either Kirara or Kokomi as the last slot (maybe Yaoyao/Baizhu too ? not sure though)
if you're talking purely about traditional Nilou teams, they generally use Nahida and either Kokomi or Barbara. Then, if you really hate playing Collei you can replace with the dendro traveler, it would be the second best option (and easier to play, although it's circle impact, whereas collei allows you to move around a lot more. Also, beware of the random enemy applying pyro to their burst as it would detonate it early ! It's happened to me a few times). Otherwise, Kirara, Yaoyao or Baizhu are all pretty solid options, they have more offensive weaknesses (namely in the off-field dendro application department) but more comfiness since they have various forms of sustain. They also allow you to pick a non-healer hydro slot like Yelan or Xingqiu but I wouldn't recommend it, it's only really worth the hassle if Nilou is C2 and even then it's questionnable unless they have crazy investment themselves. Still good though !
@@clementlassalle4317 Thank you for the input. I have baizhu, and my nilou is c2. I did try some onfield nahida with EM XQ and it wasnt that bad. But it felt like i was generating way less blooms than collei, kokomi in nearly every variant ive tried.
@@SoilworkWT yeah, i understand that. Less blooms feels less like you're playing Nilou, in a way
Though if you wanna play Baizhu, what you could do is put Kokomi back on the team but with full EM, her lower healing won't matter thanks to having a second healer. It will essentially be a quickswap team, where you on-field whoever you want depending your immediate need : more healing, more dendro, or more hydro. You could also play Furina instead of Kokomi since your Nilou is C2, her personal dmg will benefit from it and Baizhu is good enough as a solo sustain in my experience, even with the hp drain (though it may be risky against dangerous enemies like the consecreated beasts for example)
But yeah, the golden Nilou team remains Nilou - Nahida - Kokomi - Collei, with dendro traveler as a replacement for that last slot in your case. Give them a ton of ER and either the emblem set or deepwood and they will be good to go :)
If collei is bothering you I'd just swap her for dendro traveler, it works good with an on field hydro like Kokomi or Barbara (or maybe Sigewinne......? I don't know what her kit is like yet). Yaoyao is also a good option if you want to play a hydro that doesn't heal. My most played Nilou team is Nahida/Nilou/Dendro MC/Kokomi because it's just the most straightforward and fast with great range
Alhaitham's teams are already strong without him, he just adds a layer of comfort and security to his teams by being a good driver. He is extremely consistent and a good investment. Appreciated his raw damage output when I completed the Primo Geovishap in the recent event.
But Alhaitham isn't a must have if you want to clear abyss or speedrun, his teams are already strong without him and you should consider pulling if you like his gameplay or character not for account strength.
No DPS in this game is a must have.
as much as i love ALhait i do think people tend to overrate him
This is so true they overrate him so much by saying he's a top 3 dps. He's just like a Raiden in a national team to me, A very comfy driver in an already strong team.
Yes 👍
everytime i hear top 3 dps discussion i just sigh, especially if one of them has Alhaitham. Same scenario with hsr.
whomst in hsr
coming from the same guy who put xiangling in the same tier as bennet kazuha
YEP
@@jamiekb9v do elaborate
So? XL is on that level.
Benett boosts XL but he boosts Diluc too
@@lekoesic damage aside
1 and only good off field pyro applier
I kinda agree on the comparison with Ayaka. At some point he'll be walled and people will see that he's not that OP
To be fair, Abyss has done no favor to Ayaka in Sumeru and Fontaine, so there's that.
In Alhaitham's case I feel things will be smoother. He'll receive competition at some point but maybe not hard powercreep. And the new end game content should make people value having multiple DPS of an element. Meaning Haitham will easily continue to shine for a little while.
If things stay as is, I'd say it's better to go for Nahida C2 than get Haitham to use it with her.
Other Dendro supports are enough to enable hyperbloom, aggravate, burgeon and bloom... In this situation Alhaitham is eh, unless you don't need Nahida in your other team and really want to play Spread/Quickbloom
He has already started to drop off in term of usage rates. And unlike other DPS who have fallen off because of powercreep, no dendro DPs had been released since him.
They just need to pull out a Natlan dendro DPs and he'd be out.
Now that Neuvillette and Arlecchino are out, i don't think Alhaitham is that high at the top anymore, at least not at the same level as those two (Neuvillette has better QoL, Arlecchino has higher damage). I think the biggest pro he has compared to double hydro hyperbloom is in AoE situations (hyperbloom is mainly single-target, while his projection attacks are AoE).
Better off playing spread in that case because his personal dmg will be higher making the aoe more valuable.
@@Zythroxes Yeah, you're right.
Is C0 Arle even that good? I run her with Yelan, Sucrose, and Bennett, and her damage feels kinda average.
@@moneebabu1882yes, given that you have a 5 star weapon
C0 Alhaitham is better than C0 Arlecchino @@moneebabu1882
This is just nitpicking someone else's video that is meant for regular players who aren't obsessed with spreadsheets like there are actual jokes and memes in that first video, i don't think anyone is actually getting "misleaded" by that🙄🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
nah no nitpicking, ive talked to the other youtubers and I never react to these videos just to criticise them like a douche. the purpose of watching the videos is just to listen and bounce topics and discussion points for the debate. as i said in the pinned comment i have respect for everyone!
Me who pulled haithem, but end up using sethos for 5 days straight lmaooo. Sethos lv.69 and my haithem is lv.2
I just pull him so kaveh and hzithem can get wedding on my teapot
How do I build prototype amber nahida?
after getting furina I always pair her up with alhaitham and the team feel better imo
His biggest con that he doesn't use Bennett or Kazuha ... arguably there was a time where he is the best dps that doesn't use bennett or kazuha
But now we have a lot of options ... he isn't that special anymore
The most overrated dps imo
What characters do you think are high end dps?
havoc rover
The goat speedrunner doesn't need high end dps
Finally someone said it
11:15 unfortunately i dont know and i was planning to run him in a nilou team... is that bad??
no worries! i said "if you know you know" in a good way, check the 20:43 timestamp. you can also read my nilou mains team guide where I explain how to play them together
i use Alhaitham only because i got spooked by him when i was fishing for a Yaoyao
so might as well
I would rather the character who is Dendro Ayaka instead reliant skill or burst gain dendro infusion not like Childe dendro variant
I watch Jamie for practical Nilou runs and other characters. How they perform in the actual abyss. Not *checks notes* Fischl excelsheet impact. Spare me from Fischl excelsheet impact.
My C0R0 Neuvillette team performed in the abyss much better the moment I dropped 4pc GT Fischl for Childe. My C0R0 Alhaitham spread team is still better off practically with C0R0 Yae Miko than with 4pc GT Fischl even against most bosses. Spare me from Prinzessin der Excelsheet Impact.
thank u haitham for carrying me in my first year. ever since i got navia and xiao+c6 faruzan he's been HAPPILY benched, reading his books at home with his wife while everyone else slogs it out in the abyss
If you mean Kaveh don't do my man like that, he's happily married to Nilou which is why both are missing for so long lol
@@user-wx4di1dv9s lmao, that's both funny and sad at the same time
Benching him for Xiao and Navia is insanity.
@@stylerxo3654 I don't have Nahida. My Alhaitham is very well-invested, but he doesn't keep up without her.
I really don't agree with this video, specially because it came with a opinion from from someone who don't own him.
22:08 Completely wrong
people "initially" considered him mid, he got recognition over time.
My alhaitham personally hits 80K while hyperbloom bring around 60K and he easily competes with arle and neuvi with his teams
i rolled for alhaitham, AND I HATE HIM.
No explanation.
ive always imagined jamie as a ginger idk why 😭😭😭😭
No he is not overrated. He is a great dps, ftp friendly, easy to build. Has no need for cons and is pretty flexible with teammates.