Ping, the best part of the show was when you really made a mockery of the Loretta Lynn's Amateur nationals. Here's why. Everyone including you started racing as an amateur in the C class. If we were lucky enough to advance we went from a C to a B class rider. Then we advanced more if we had the time and money to do so. So here's a thought for you about the LLAN. Let's really keep them amateur and get rid of the pro class, the vet pro class etc. Why, because those are not really the amateurs the teams are looking for. All the vet riders, vet pro/A class and all the other so called amateur classes at that event are really way past amateur racing, and don't really belong there. They have all the other events to race in the country and can have all the fun they need. Let the LLAN focus on the real amateurs! The big teams will still attend, and that is great. Then the big time riders go and race the amateur day at the pro nationals events because the teams are already gong to those events. They have 12 of those and that should be enough to have a pretty good idea of who can and who wants to be in the pro scene. Why because those events are at the tracks that the pro's race at. It's just a thought mind you. Have a great day Ping. Shooter
HOW ISDE WORKS · There are 4 age/status-related classes: club is for trios around a motoclub (usually amateurs but doesn't have to be), women is for trios around a national federation, junior is for trios (used to be quartets not long ago) of under23 riders around a national federation and senior is for quartets (used to be sextets not long ago) of riders around a national federation. The AMA can send up to 10 riders now (4+3+3) but then however many motoclubs can send their trios. · There's also a bonus competition that isn't a class: the manufacturer one. They're also trios but they can be of any of the 2 main classes (junior and senior) plus the riders can be riding for different nations too. · INDIVIDUALLY, the junior and senior riders are divided into E1 (MX2), E2 (MXGP) and E3 (MX3), women have no engine classes AFAIK and club riders get C1, C2 and C3 (difference in name only to the E1, E2 and E3 classes). · Back when there were quartets and sextets, not everyone had to finish to avoid massive penalties. Trios needed 2 riders alive, quartets needed 3 guys alive, sextets needed 4. Nowadays, you're forced to keep everyone running, which is really ruining the fun because a handful of silly crashes can take out several top nations and just leave someone all alone at the top. I guess they don't want riders to actually go at 100% pace but it's weird AF. · HOW DO YOU GET A MEDAL? It's all about finishing within a percentage of your class leader (E1, E2, E3, EW, C1, C2 or C3). You can finish 50th and get a gold medal, you can finish 20th and miss it depending on how chaotic the event was. Another ancient event that still uses the same system is the Isle of Man TT. · HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO FINISH AN ISDE EVENT? Not much since it's a pro-am event. You have 50-year-old electricians doing the exact same course as fulltime professionals. It's just a whole lot of riding, A LOT of seattime. · HOW COOL IS IT TO WATCH IT LIVE? Quite a bit. If you go to a European edition, you can watch 500-600 riders hit a stage twice in a day and the order is senior-junior-women-club so it's the less-skilled guys that got it worst! Also, the final day is quite fun too (however many races are needed for everyone to hit a simple-ish MX track, usually with around 30 guys on each gatedrop) and the afterparty is nuts as a lot of national teams will start to reverse-auction anything from teamwear to racewear to even bike parts plus you're gonna see and hear a whole lot of burnouts from the happier/richer teams.
Met Destry once recently at Gypsy 500 race. Down to earth for sure. Nice to meet a pro I watched from afar for many years. The topic of "what matters most", is so important in life. I appreciate his sharing about cancer. What a tough thing to experience in life and so crazy he and his wife are going through. Many prayers for your wife Destry. Take care. Thanks for being a nice and respectable guy.
This is the podcast I have been waiting for all my life! When I was a young racer on 80's back in the late 90's I remember getting 3 signed posters from Destry at the NHHA races. In 99' He and Brian Brown were in the back of the Team Green box van getting their gear on and stopped whet they were doing to sign poster for me. Still have them hanging on the wall.
I really like hearing destry, taylor robert, and destrys son. Mainly because they are from AZ. Being in AZ we praise the rain. Love it down here especially in the the winter that's when I do most of my riding
Such a great episode Ping! Destry is such a legend in the sport and one of the best human beings you will ever meet. So nice to hear him speak in a long form podcast like this.
This has to be one of my all time favorite interviews you’ve done. I was racing with ADRA and Whiplash in the late 80’s and 90’s and remember Destry as a kid I knew would make it to the top. One of my favorite stories of my riding history has to be a race called the Snowflake 100 and I was having the race of a lifetime for a novice (lol..) and was going through a woods section as fast as I could through a long sweeper and heard someone coming up fast so held my line and got out of the way and Destry passed me like I was standing still and while at warp speed he took his hand off the bar and waved for not holding him up. I was a Destry fan before, after that I was a lifer. A class act, an amazing racer, and a good man. Thanks for sharing his story, Ping..
Met Destry several times...and was passed by Destry a shit ton of times!!! Super good dude, and really fast!!! He had a riding clinic in my area a couple of years ago I'm old now but went to it, to just...be there, watch, and ride. He is soo patient with young riders and his knowledge is invaluable to any rider, regardless of age and riding level. Great Dude!! There were about 50 or so riders sitting around at the end of the day...just hanging out, and bench racing. A quiet time came, and he looks across, at me....and says..."Hey man, I know you from somewhere, don't I ???? I laughed and said Yeah, if I turn my back on you, you might remember passing me in any number of SoCal hare and hounds. He laughed, and said...Oh.sorry! Well...I said...not as sorry as me. Again....Great guy.
It always made for a special day when Destry would show up at Canyon and Speedworld practice days. His smooth, natural style and flat whips were so impressive. He is a super nice guy that would humbly talk to us for hours on the tailgates.
Equally impressive note to Dante going out there and winning a GNCC Kalub Russel and Thad Duvall came out west and spanked the NGPC boys at havasu .. and like the Donte win being on a more “open “ track the havasu Trac is one of the tightest on the West Coast that is race for GPs so I think if you got talent, you got talent, but that’s just my $.02
The bucket, haha I very first race they have fire extinguisher willed with water. I had ridden a dirt for 2weeks before my first race and I was going to slow, they shot me with the fire extinguisher and I pulled off cuz I thought they were telling me to get off the track. My buddies ran up yelling to go..
BEST OFFROAD RACERS EVER? · Juha Salminen = multi-time GNCC and Enduro World Champion, also the original dominator of indoor enduro (what y'all call endurocross) before it even reached the USA. You can see his GNCC career nowadays on TH-cam and it's INSANE how, unless he got a horrible start, he is never on screen with a rival · Stephane Peterhansel = multi-time Enduro World Champion and Mr. Dakar with ¿7? bike wins, a record that now looks impossible to beat · Larry Roeseler = there hasn't been anyone better south of San Diego
ABOUT AMATEUR MX RACING · I hate B and C classes BUT · I'd like to see age+machine classes, something like "250F under17" and "250F under25", for example · What I hate the most of all is how almost nobody that makes it to the biggest events are actually amateurs. Being an amateur means you don't get shit for riding or racing. Riding coaches are NOT amateurs, test riders are NOT amateurs, anyone getting any cash is NOT an amateur. The most you can get without breaking your amateur status is giveaways. I'd love to see how much the events would change if organizers actually put strict measures to avoid non-amateurs from entering.
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Ping, the best part of the show was when you really made a mockery of the Loretta Lynn's Amateur nationals. Here's why.
Everyone including you started racing as an amateur in the C class. If we were lucky enough to advance we went from a C to a B class rider. Then we advanced more if we had the time and money to do so. So here's a thought for you about the LLAN. Let's really keep them amateur and get rid of the pro class, the vet pro class etc. Why, because those are not really the amateurs the teams are looking for. All the vet riders, vet pro/A class and all the other so called amateur classes at that event are really way past amateur racing, and don't really belong there. They have all the other events to race in the country and can have all the fun they need. Let the LLAN focus on the real amateurs! The big teams will still attend, and that is great. Then the big time riders go and race the amateur day at the pro nationals events because the teams are already gong to those events. They have 12 of those and that should be enough to have a pretty good idea of who can and who wants to be in the pro scene. Why because those events are at the tracks that the pro's race at. It's just a thought mind you.
Have a great day Ping.
Shooter
HOW ISDE WORKS
· There are 4 age/status-related classes: club is for trios around a motoclub (usually amateurs but doesn't have to be), women is for trios around a national federation, junior is for trios (used to be quartets not long ago) of under23 riders around a national federation and senior is for quartets (used to be sextets not long ago) of riders around a national federation. The AMA can send up to 10 riders now (4+3+3) but then however many motoclubs can send their trios.
· There's also a bonus competition that isn't a class: the manufacturer one. They're also trios but they can be of any of the 2 main classes (junior and senior) plus the riders can be riding for different nations too.
· INDIVIDUALLY, the junior and senior riders are divided into E1 (MX2), E2 (MXGP) and E3 (MX3), women have no engine classes AFAIK and club riders get C1, C2 and C3 (difference in name only to the E1, E2 and E3 classes).
· Back when there were quartets and sextets, not everyone had to finish to avoid massive penalties. Trios needed 2 riders alive, quartets needed 3 guys alive, sextets needed 4. Nowadays, you're forced to keep everyone running, which is really ruining the fun because a handful of silly crashes can take out several top nations and just leave someone all alone at the top. I guess they don't want riders to actually go at 100% pace but it's weird AF.
· HOW DO YOU GET A MEDAL? It's all about finishing within a percentage of your class leader (E1, E2, E3, EW, C1, C2 or C3). You can finish 50th and get a gold medal, you can finish 20th and miss it depending on how chaotic the event was. Another ancient event that still uses the same system is the Isle of Man TT.
· HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO FINISH AN ISDE EVENT? Not much since it's a pro-am event. You have 50-year-old electricians doing the exact same course as fulltime professionals. It's just a whole lot of riding, A LOT of seattime.
· HOW COOL IS IT TO WATCH IT LIVE? Quite a bit. If you go to a European edition, you can watch 500-600 riders hit a stage twice in a day and the order is senior-junior-women-club so it's the less-skilled guys that got it worst! Also, the final day is quite fun too (however many races are needed for everyone to hit a simple-ish MX track, usually with around 30 guys on each gatedrop) and the afterparty is nuts as a lot of national teams will start to reverse-auction anything from teamwear to racewear to even bike parts plus you're gonna see and hear a whole lot of burnouts from the happier/richer teams.
Met Destry once recently at Gypsy 500 race. Down to earth for sure. Nice to meet a pro I watched from afar for many years. The topic of "what matters most", is so important in life. I appreciate his sharing about cancer. What a tough thing to experience in life and so crazy he and his wife are going through. Many prayers for your wife Destry. Take care. Thanks for being a nice and respectable guy.
This is the podcast I have been waiting for all my life! When I was a young racer on 80's back in the late 90's I remember getting 3 signed posters from Destry at the NHHA races. In 99' He and Brian Brown were in the back of the Team Green box van getting their gear on and stopped whet they were doing to sign poster for me. Still have them hanging on the wall.
Thank you and really appreciate that. It was fun talking about a lot of different things.
Stoked on this one! Grew up going to district 37 races and eventually raced WORCs when Destry was the man. Glad he looks healthy! Awesome gnarly dude
Looking forward to this one 🔥
I really like hearing destry, taylor robert, and destrys son. Mainly because they are from AZ. Being in AZ we praise the rain. Love it down here especially in the the winter that's when I do most of my riding
Just rode at the waterhole on Sunday. It's hard to beat after a good rain.
Good human right there.
Well said. Not just a talented racer and athlete, but a truly good person.
Ahhh this makes me miss my kx 500
Hell yeah been waiting for this one
Such a great episode Ping! Destry is such a legend in the sport and one of the best human beings you will ever meet. So nice to hear him speak in a long form podcast like this.
Yet another great interview! Personifies the heart and soul of dirt biking. What a guy!
This has to be one of my all time favorite interviews you’ve done. I was racing with ADRA and Whiplash in the late 80’s and 90’s and remember Destry as a kid I knew would make it to the top. One of my favorite stories of my riding history has to be a race called the Snowflake 100 and I was having the race of a lifetime for a novice (lol..) and was going through a woods section as fast as I could through a long sweeper and heard someone coming up fast so held my line and got out of the way and Destry passed me like I was standing still and while at warp speed he took his hand off the bar and waved for not holding him up. I was a Destry fan before, after that I was a lifer. A class act, an amazing racer, and a good man. Thanks for sharing his story, Ping..
I guess things will always be changing. How exciting!
Except for the heat, lol.
I was riding the waterhole in 1973 on a 125 Bultaco Pursang, I'm 69 but I'm still fast (for 5 Laps anyway) lol.
Met Destry several times...and was passed by Destry a shit ton of times!!!
Super good dude, and really fast!!!
He had a riding clinic in my area a couple of years ago
I'm old now but went to it, to just...be there, watch, and ride.
He is soo patient with young riders and his knowledge is invaluable to any rider, regardless of age and riding level.
Great Dude!!
There were about 50 or so riders sitting around at the end of the day...just hanging out, and bench racing.
A quiet time came, and he looks across, at me....and says..."Hey man, I know you from somewhere, don't I ????
I laughed and said Yeah, if I turn my back on you, you might remember passing me in any number of SoCal hare and hounds.
He laughed, and said...Oh.sorry!
Well...I said...not as sorry as me.
Again....Great guy.
It always made for a special day when Destry would show up at Canyon and Speedworld practice days. His smooth, natural style and flat whips were so impressive. He is a super nice guy that would humbly talk to us for hours on the tailgates.
We have district 37 sprint enduro series in socal.... my favorite racing event atm!
Equally impressive note to Dante going out there and winning a GNCC Kalub Russel and Thad Duvall came out west and spanked the NGPC boys at havasu .. and like the Donte win being on a more “open “ track the havasu Trac is one of the tightest on the West Coast that is race for GPs so I think if you got talent, you got talent, but that’s just my $.02
The bucket, haha I very first race they have fire extinguisher willed with water. I had ridden a dirt for 2weeks before my first race and I was going to slow, they shot me with the fire extinguisher and I pulled off cuz I thought they were telling me to get off the track. My buddies ran up yelling to go..
BEST OFFROAD RACERS EVER?
· Juha Salminen = multi-time GNCC and Enduro World Champion, also the original dominator of indoor enduro (what y'all call endurocross) before it even reached the USA. You can see his GNCC career nowadays on TH-cam and it's INSANE how, unless he got a horrible start, he is never on screen with a rival
· Stephane Peterhansel = multi-time Enduro World Champion and Mr. Dakar with ¿7? bike wins, a record that now looks impossible to beat
· Larry Roeseler = there hasn't been anyone better south of San Diego
ABOUT AMATEUR MX RACING
· I hate B and C classes
BUT
· I'd like to see age+machine classes, something like "250F under17" and "250F under25", for example
· What I hate the most of all is how almost nobody that makes it to the biggest events are actually amateurs. Being an amateur means you don't get shit for riding or racing. Riding coaches are NOT amateurs, test riders are NOT amateurs, anyone getting any cash is NOT an amateur. The most you can get without breaking your amateur status is giveaways. I'd love to see how much the events would change if organizers actually put strict measures to avoid non-amateurs from entering.
What about Ricky brabec for best off-road rider ?