The Dodleston Messages: Cryptic Computer Warnings from The Past…and Future
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no...dont....magic spoon...they are three years too late...
Unironically love magic spoon. My faves are cinnamon roll and cocoa.
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@@CreativaArtly even if i were rich the price of those vs the unhealthy ones is just too great
When I was a kid my parents bought us a karaoke machine with a built-in dual cassette deck so you could record your own singing with backing tracks. My sister and I used it to make a tape of us making monster sounds over a tape of a local radio station. Then we told our 5 year old younger sister the monsters were coming through the radio to get her. She was terrified, but in retrospect she would've believed anything and what we did was really mean. I'm sure glad our stupid prank didn't become a town-wide hoax or an urban legend I'd find TH-cam videos about decades later 😂
FYI, Back in the early 80's there was no task manager. If you did the three-fingered salute (Control+Alt+Delete) the computer would reboot. There was no dialog asking if you really mean it, it just rebooted.
Simon: Mocks Americans for their lack of geographical knowledge outside America.
Also Simon: Doesn't know the location of anything north of Watford Gap sevices.
Never change, Fact Boy, never change.
Anything north of Prague
Anything 10 miles plus from where he lives he has no idea about 😂
What with name changes in the last 100 years of many nations and owners/ rulers sometimes u get it wrong like Peking or siam look on a map happy hunting unless it's pre 50s
Cities die people move rulers charge like we have 50 states millions of cities town villages and the worlds peoples from all nations of all religions faiths and pronouns we have city laws county law state laws federal law mans law God's law it's more than confusing and who cares it's all lies anyway history is a perspective religion is evil and skin colors change with in a nation within a society & within a family. One race, one planet one chance at life
amazing that nobody have yet pointed out that CERTAIN computers as early as 1985 could send files between each other by phone line and modem, and it was certainly possible that someone was playing a trick on him from another computer... it just wasn't called "internet" then
Oh, good, Danny recovered from eating the bad radiator mushrooms.
Lol whats a radiator mushroom?? 🤨🤔
@finchisneat Danny writes for another channel (Brain Blaze), where it is a running joke that Simon keeps him chained up in the basement. When Simon forgets to feed him, he has to eat the mushrooms that grow from the radiator.
"Forgets. Joke"@@PhantomNull13
Simon: curious and patient enough to look up antedeluvian.
Also Simon: too impatient to scroll down to the second definition, which would fit the context perfectly. Learns nothing.
Heh
Just ribbing you. Love the humor and modesty you regularly bring to the very well written content.
"Just some time in the past" is basically the gist of it
@@pjweisberg In this context it doesn't refer to any time period in the past though. It means extremely old-fashioned.
I first saw the word in a 9th grade literature book when I was 14 in '60. Even then it was footnoted at the bottom of the page, meaning as old as the hills. So if it was archaic then, imagine what it must be now. Must have been some 19th century pundit's (of the Van Snoot ilk) idea of being clever by saying something in Latin to obscure it's meaning to the "hoi polloi"; i.e. regular folks, when "before the Great Flood" would do just fine. Even then, I had a feeling I was beingb B.S.'ed
@@bultvidxxxix9973 nailed it
Nah he can be quite arrogant and look down his big lefty nose
I like how Simon doesn't discourage kids from viewing his content. For the most part anyway. He's well aware a kid could be out doing a lot worse things than watching an explicit but informative video.
Why should kids be discouraged from learning about historical things that happened?
The more you can learn as a kid, the better!
In that early Phase the brain is capable of learning extremely fast!
Teach your children as much as possible when they are young.
Educate them on all topics possible.
Well tbf, I agree that most Cas Crim aren't kid-friendly and that's the only channel I've heard him say it about.
Simon, farmers do still get degrees-in their field. Most places call it Agricultural Sciences or something similar.
some are even outstanding...
in their field.
I'll see myself out
Magic spoon $20 for a box of cereal, thank you CAPITALISM 👌
No one is forcing you to buy it lol 😆 it's a choice and capitalism is based on what the general population aka the consumer feels is worth what.
An example is in America Hollywood stars and football players make 100X's more than teachers and police.... Arguably more important jobs in society yet clearly not as important to the general population.
It's just how it is.
It's not a perfect system but it's certainly better than China or North Korea lol
Here you can wake up at 11am and go to Starbucks then the gym... Run by McDonald's and then home to live stream for a few hours ... Then online shopping and out to the bar with friends 😂 life in America.
My life lol NO
Mine is way more dull and less expensive but it's not a bad life
I haven't watched this video yet but just wanted to share that I'm glad this story has popped up on the interwebs. In a really weird coincidence, I met one of the chaps involved with this case, Peter Trinder, who had also been a teacher at my mum's school when she went there, and he told us all about this story. It was the first I ever heard of it. On holiday in 2012 back in the village where I went to school, and where my mum had also gone to school, we went and sat in the lounge of the residential library where we were staying (I know all of these details are extremely random!) and this old chap got talking to us. I knew I recognised his name from my mum mentioning it and so we struck up a very pleasant conversation, and that's when he told us about this. I was becoming fascinated by computers at the time and so that's probably how we got around to the subject.
Whether or not it was a hoax, Mr Trinder was insistent that he had not been in on it and was genuinely baffled by how this could have come about if it wasn't a hoax.
I'm looking forward to hearing Simon's theories on this odd situation and his sceptical mockery of it all 😆
I very much enjoy your channels, Simon, and particularly enjoy Danny's scripts, nice one both!
Someone should make a movie based on this. I think it could be good, if done right.
As long as it's comedy
56:21 when I was in high school my friend and I would change the backgrounds to pictures of Slip Knot.
I love Simon's complete no sell of all of this. The first time I heard this story was from a believer of many things and the Simon version is just such a refreshing bombardment of using your brain.
I'm only 19 minutes in so far, but I'm very solidly leaning towards someone in town has a key to the place who doesn't like the idea of outsiders.
In quieter, more trusting towns, giving a neighbour or friend the key to your house so they can check in on things if they don't see you for ages, put the mail/newspapers inside, water plants, feed pets, etc while you're on holidays, etc. Or just have a key so when you lose yours and get home, you can get a spare key from someone who's been safeguarding it. Often these go for years without being used. My parents recently found one such key in the bottom of a box of electronics, and have no idea as to its origin and so disposed of it.
My theory is the person who sold the place moved on without remembering that key, and the newcomers didn't change the locks (probably should when you move in to a new place, but not everyone does). The neighbour with the key has, for whatever reason, decided to mess with them.
Oh, and the paint footprints always showing up in the same place? I would probably do that with some kind of solvent or grease - I'm sure there are some chemicals that are odorless that paint does not stick to. That way, the footprints reappear in the same place - they haven't been reapplied, they just shed the paint off.
I had a girlfriend at the University of Wisconsin named Mary, and she had one of those "light boxes"! When we made it light up, we were transported back to the 1500's and into the future instantaneously! 😂
As someone with a history PhD that has had to read documents from the sixteenth century, it is excruciatingly obvious that the words used by the "ghost" is a modern person trying to imitate what they think someone from the sixteenth century would have used. Never mind the fact that English spelling was not formalized in anyway nor was grammar styling - even for a person with an education or "degree from Jesus College." Seriously, even some documents in the nineteenth century are painful to read, but anything from before 1700 is just torture.
When I was getting my English degree, I wanted to do a paper on 16th-17th century English. After about a week, I changed my mind. I wanted something challenging but that was just torture after a week.
The BBC computer was very 80's and one has to remember the first search engine didn't come out until around 1990. The BBC computer was ok for emails and writing letters, it also had a database and as you mentioned a spread sheet function. It was very primitive in function and design. But it was a thing of it's time, that being a time where computer's were the new thing on the must have lost for Christmas gift for children.
It might be conceivable to secretly add internal connectivity to an Acorn. The case is big enough.
@@tommyrotton9468 the cases back in the 80's were large enough, some companies even had them bolted to desks to stop thieves
Of course. It makes perfect sense that a 16th century ghost who thinks electric lights are of the devil, yet knows how to type a message on a computer. What a total crock.
Dannys back! Here I was worried Simon forgot to throw his table scraps into the basement for him.
I’ve got a friend who swears that she’s time travelled, albeit against her will and at random. It’s incredibly annoying because she 100% believes that she has and tries to tell me about it sometimes. I try to ignore it the best I can and tell her it’s all in her head in the nicest way possible, people don’t like it when you insist that it’s just their mental illness
Hooo boy, that'sa challenge alright. What are some of the things she claims?
We used to have a friend who briefly began leading a club of sorts and claiming she and her boyfriend were once a medieval king and queen _(how glamorous and convenient!),_ and most of the group members were once their loyal subjects _(__#NotACult__.)_ And of course some of their medieval enemies were among our extended friend group now _(so ostracized the people she doesn't like!)_
It took years to recognize that she wasn't just grappling with anxiety, wasn't just being manipulative or spinning a story for escapism (she loved being a LARP storyteller), she actually _genuinely 100% believed that crap sometimes._ Really made us question how many of her claims about her incompetent, shitty roommate were true, but it was too late to do anything to help. We got cut out of their lives.
My best friend lost their longest-running, nearing two-decades-long friendship to the weirdness too. It was as weird as it was devastating.
Could it have been a time slip?
@aste4949 weird. Even if she was, she wasn't in her present life, she'd have none of the money or power so it's a moot point.
I tend to be a bit gullible when it comes to "out of this world" possibilities, but even I was right there with Simon, the whole way, thinking "Totally a hoax." A fun listen, though, thanks Danny and Simon!
btw, another great time travel book for anyone interested is Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book." Highly recommended!
Thumbs up for Connie Willis
“The Jaunt” that’s definitely my favorite Stephen King time travel story, it’s a short, but hits hard👌
8:00 Arranged in a pyramid!?
Well clearly it must be aliens, no human could possibly do that!
Ghost in Poltergeist (1982) "Am I a joke to you?"
I started writing a time travel story, never finished, but making plausible guesses about evolution of technology and language was something I tried. For example, instead of "gigs" they'd say "pets" (petabytes), instead of unlocking a door, they'd "palm in".
A webster was an old occupational term for a female weaver (actually probably something closer to webbester or webbestre) in Middle English, in case anyone is interested (also surnames like Baxter "female baker" and Brewster "female brewer" were derived in this way too). Maybe old Gary was spinning an old wives' tale...
57:29 - 57:36 Hi, English Literature major here. In the USA, vowels are taught to us as being “Aa, Ee, Ii, Oo, Uu, and sometimes Yy.” In most instances Yy is used as a vowel. IDK if it’s the same overseas, however.
We don't. But he's just being nasty to Wales as the English usually are. 😢
This was just the absurd giggle I needed. Cheers Danny and Simon!
Someone I knew had a lodger. The lodger started taking out loans and credit cards in the home owners name and because he lived in the correct address the home owner only found out when a bank contacted him about his rejected 25k loan.
By the time the lid was opened the lodger had taken out 60k in loans and credit cards and refused to leave the property.
Don’t know how it all ended, lost contact with the home owner as it was being investigated.
But knowing the uk legal system nothing I imagine
This reminds me of a novel I read when I was a teenager. At the end of that novel (which also had ghosts communicating from another place and time) it turned out that the main character was schizophrenic, and that it was actually him (his other self) that would do all the things the ghost did.
For a moment, as this story progressed I thought we were going for such a resolution around Debby.. Allegedly!
My school also had a BBC Micro which could never be found on the premises because it was “away for testing.”
I found the Haywarden book. All it is is a book of recipes for...what else?...Welsh Rabbit
This is the kind of story that i would love so much, if it were true. Even with it obviously being a hoax, it's a fun yarn to spin 😅
The 2109 describing something as "neat" is an 80s giveaway
I think they meant it as a futuristic science lingo, not the 80s meaning. Neat could mean 100% efficient for example
About a quarter of the way in.... does anyone remember Sapphire & Steel? (RIP David McCallum) . So far it seems this could be the start of an episode....
One of my all-time favourite shows. There was nothing else quite like it. The Man with No Face gave me nightmares for weeks.
@@DannySalter Cool! I have never talked with anyone who knows it before. I found it listed among David McCallum's work several years ago then hunted it down. It's so good!! You're right - it is unique.
Seems very similar to a 1980's episode of the Twlight Zone: "a message from charity" which aired in 1985. Very similar premise, so I guess it's possible that the ufo guy saw that and just added a computer to the mix.
This reads like the inspiration for a Doctor Who episode....
In Welsh, W and Y are always vowels, so there are actually 2 vowels in Clwyd.
I bring up the “half your age plus 7” thing and people look at me like I’m stupid or that I just made it up. I thought it was a universal rule everyone knew.
An absolutely delightful story! Well done, Danny
May be Romulans flying through our solar system in their Warbird Starship using their cloaking device! 😂 Where's. Mr. Spock 😮when we need him!
I feel I need a CW series made about this story. Heavy on the melodrama please.
Yes, Simon, I knew a theoretical physisit he was a construction worker and then when I knew him a waiter. People change jobs regardless of degrees all the time.
There was something called Prestel available for the BBC Micro and it did use a modem. Think old fashioned teletext block graphics and text. My school had it but we were rarely allowed to use it, only for teachers.
So this happened in 1984? The furniture moving? Cans neatly stacked in pyramids? That was from the 1982 movie Poltergeist.
Simon ending a rant , reading one line, saying “why” to the line then going on another rant is gold 12:48
I used to live in Hawarden (it's pronounced "harden") and ots such a beautiful little village, I miss it so much
There was a way to store messages on those old school computers. They had a small amount of memory in the BIOS that was programmable and could contain a message and the message could be displayed at a later time as all computers have always had 'clocks' in them. The 2 commands that are of interest (on the McIntosh computers) are PEAK which reads values from inside the CPU and the far more frightening command POKE which would write a value to the CPU. One wrong move with POKE and you can easily and immediately destroy the computer. This is the reason almost no one knew about the commands. A good idea considering the hackers I knew in High School. So, we have a choice; Time travelling messages in a magic computer or a smart kid hiding a message in the BIOS memory
i still remember basic magazine weekends where the only sleep i got revolved around dreaming of having a tape drive..
I remember hearing about this story, growing up in the 80s, there was supposedly going to be a TV drama about it, I've no idea if Gary Rowe flogged that idea, or the other protagonists were real or not as it was so long ago. I do remember one of them doing an article for The Fortean Times about this story and investigation, that was in the early 90s.
I remember the article in the Fortean Times too.
Ken mentions that they didn't go with it because the TV script wanted it to be much more like a time travel romance, which wasn't what happened. If one believes.
The absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence
7:30 I was doing some painting one time, and one of the walls had a bunch of phone numbers scrawled on the wall next to the phone. Some of the ink bled right through the paint, no matter how many coats you put on (actually, it was probably only three, since I gave up and scraped down till I removed the original ink, but it was showing no signs of fading out any time soon). So I’d assume that something similar was going on here.
This is what happens when you cheap out on your paint and decide you don't "need" primer. 😂
@@nanoglitch6693 wasn’t me that decided that, I was just doing a job for a friend, he said here’s the wall, here’s the paint, and I painted.
I love how three sentences in Simon is already like "nah, this isn't real"
Possibly because it was a hoax
@@leighpowell1062 I know. The funny bit is it's supposed to be a channel about mysterious phenomena but Simon shoots it down out of the gates.
Because this is just so blatantly fake.
Could also be some sort of rot that just happens to have that shape. It would then breach the paint each night because it needs air exposure for its spores to be released.
Got our first family computer in 1983 (Commodore), where we saved things on music cassette tapes. Went away to uni in 1998 and got my own brand new computer with 3.2 gigs of storage. No one else in residence had more than 2.5 gigs. The idea that I'd have a terabyte external drive less than 10 years later was crazy. Now I don't bother with more than a couple of physical TBs because... well, cloud storage.
I think Debbie was writing the messages. She may or may not have been aware that she was doing so, though.
So you had a rather boring history with computers eh, apart from having the very first external terabyte drive ever sold. The one thing your story makes me wonder about, is what on earth do you do with all your current TB's - I for one wouldn't find a use for that much storage unless I obsessively collected 4k films or some such. I just have a couple of 512gb SSD's, one is admittedly quite full but the other has barely anything on it since I'm too lazy to spend hours moving junk to it. Cloud storage I find utterly useless since I don't have any data worth spending weeks to upload to a service that then charges monthly and deletes it all if I miss a payment. I'd just as soon delete the data I care so little about myself, and use the money for some cookies or something.
@@noth606 You seem nice.
@@amb163 See, the first Terabyte consumer drive came out 2007, which by your timeline is the only possible one as you said less than 10yrs later from 1998. That is what sparked my comment, as it's very unusual to come across the very first adopter of something as relatively expensive as that specific Hitachi drive was when released. My cloud comment is purely from my own experience, I do use it but only for zero importance stuff because of how they work, which to me makes them not really an option as they readily nuke whatever you have there if for one reason or another you miss a bill. Which has happened to me.
My boring history comment is because it seems odd to go from a VIC-20 to what I'd assume is a P-II or equivalent AMD without noteworthy steps in between considering how eventful the early 90s were, starting with 386 mostly, and having Pentium everywhere by 95ish, but hey, maybe that's just me, or you left out a bunch of stuff, just seemed odd.
@@noth606 you ok?
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Me, myself and I are all ok, still debating the best storage option in terms of price performance for 2007, but quite simply that one drive amb163 claims to have had just isn't a smart choice. Had he waited just a little longer he would have had more options at better prices, or he could have opted for multiple smaller drives for the same price or less. The Samsung Spinpoint HD103UJ came out only a year and change later and was an eminently better drive than the Hitachi amb163 must have had due to his timeline.
At any rate, me and my autism spectrum still hold doubt over the claimed timeline, simply due to the likelihood of it being very low.
Couldn't they just do a little research and see if such a person lived in the 1540s?
Also; Did the teachers work at that school, who lived in the cottage in 1984 onwards.
I remember hearing this story when I was little. Being also called Lucas, I started spelling my name with a 'K' like Lukas Wainman, and I still do.
I Kind of regret it.
We had some of these BBC computers when I was at primary school, I think I remember this story as well. Wasn't it on that 90's TV show? Strange But True I think it was called.
Second comment just cause: the part about how language doesn't change the way they tried to make their "future english" look. A great example of a show predicting how the English Language might change and adopt new phrases was Firefly. For example the term they used instead of "cool" was "shiney" that is a literal translation of the Taiwanese slang word for "cool" in modern day Taiwan which is a trend that made its way from Hong Kong to Taiwan (not sure if it is still used in Honk Kong and Chinese dialects).
I watched this story on another channel and Debbie joined in with the comments.
Still loving that background music from Old School RuneScape.
Simon: C-L-W-Y-D. No vowels in there at all!
Me: Yes there are. There are 2, w and y. They just aren't often vowels in English (although actually w is I think only used a vowel in English for the couple of words we've taken from Welsh, so that one maybe counts less).
Awesome vid as always!
Pro tip: if you ever need to say it again, Hawarden is pronounced "Harden" xD
I work at Hawarden airport ;)
It’s a neat story, at least. Could be a solid 6/10 direct-to-streaming movie
I don't think it was the money. The new edition costs less than 20 quid, if they wanted to spin money they could have amped that up a lot compared to the £400 listings you get on eBay. You'd also not wait nearly 40 years to top up that supposed fortune once you saw it was going for hundreds of pounds.
We love Simons bald head, it lights the way if the future like a big light bulb ❤️
I've been worried about Danny so it's good to hear from him 😂❤
Yes... the past was the worst, but by resisting change, we're doing our best to make the future even worse.
i love this story!! there’s only one other half decent vid on it so thx man
This is a good story for October.
This sounds like a ton of fun as a text-based game!
Watched you many titles , all good . Will watch this again , helps to understand what ya gotta deal with .
Hawarden- pronounced, Harden. I live 26 miles away on the Welsh coast.
Hold on... wasn't there a movie based on this idea? But instead of this machine, it was something like a ham radio
A few, actually! In the late 1990's there was "The Love Letter," where a man in the 1990's and a woman in the 1800's are able to exchange letters through a desk that sends its contents back and forth in time... the 2000-ish movie "Frequency" lets a son connect to his father 30 years ago through a ham radio to save his life, with all sorts of other temporal hijinks -- and around that same time there was also "Ditto", which also has a similar plot: a girl in the 70's and a guy in 2000 are able to chat with a ham radio... "Time Lapse" from 2015-ish has a group of friends with a camera that can take pictures of the future -- things get dark kinda fast in that one... there's a B-movie spin of this one that used two identical parallel Earths, one a few decades ahead of the other temporally (I totally forget the name of this one tho) -- it also gets super dark kinda fast.
In a similar vein, there's been quite a few films about someone who pops back and forth in time, usually to the annoyance of their significant other -- "The Time Traveler's Wife" is one, the others are bit less memorable haha! "Arrival" was a bit like that too, with the aliens who had no sense of time, so they knew the future... or something like that.... And then there's the straight-up time-travel movies, like VanDamme's "Time Cop" or the Bill & Ted series or a few Star Trek movies and episodes.
Yes, yes I do watch too many movies :P
@@olencone4005 ah, it was "frequency"! Thanks!
And time to add those movies to the watch list
son talked with his deceased dad if I recall correctly
@@olencone4005Looper and Terminator too. The TV show Fringe had various parallel universe and weird science stuff as well.
@@olencone4005 "The Lake House" also has two people writing to each other through time, except it's only a couple years difference for them instead of decades or centuries.
I am a teacher, and I find it hilarious! Stay in school, kids, so you can do things like this! LOL, ok, not really,
If i've learned anything from ms. marple, it's that there's no such thing as an idyllic british village. cesspools of villainy, all of them.
Magic spoon is blowing up lol, been seeing a ton of it shipping at work the last couple months
Simon, the " _w_ " and " _y_ " in Welsh words *are* the vowels. lmao
In October 1984, 6,980,000, or 8.2 percent (±. 6), of all U.S. households reported that they had a computer.
I’ve definitely seen you guys cover this before am I crazy?
Simon… Your contempt, for the welsh language is… Hilarious.
That was fun!
Oh my goodness! Gusts of cold wind in a 200ish year old house?! Get the ghost hunters in there!
Couldn't get into this one. Shame because I got all excited when I saw how long it was. The BS was just too strong for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief for more than about 20 minutes.. 😑
Same
DANNY!!!!! Thanks homey
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Water stain? Can come thru primer, must cover with shellac or similar. Yellow will show thru, takes primer and more coats to cover.
There wouldn't be any point in calling the school to ask if a particular person has ever worked there because of the Data Protection Act 2018. They would not be allowed to reveal such information.
In the US, teachers often have a summer job if not a second job.
I remember my primary school’s BBC but it was replaced with a RM Nimbus by the time my class was allowed to use the computer.
Got drinks ready. 🍻
I miss the writers that do pronunciation guides for fact boy.
FYI Hawarden is pronunced Harden or to give it its correct name Penarlag pronunced Pen Ar Lag
When peple say "you have two choices", they usually mean "you have two (possible) choices". Or however many possible choices they're talking about.
There's an even earlier "found manuscript" time travel story that might have inspired this- Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court".
I believe this Ken Webster even wrote a book about this nonsense and presumably made a few quid out of it!
AHH the BBC computer. How many hours I spent playing granny's garden and wizard of Oz on them back in junior school
The BBC micro B was what the early coders learnt on, in 1979/1980 we had the only one in the borough, and all the techies, from all around, came to do computer classes.
I was sort of hoping they'd find a book. its such a good story that I wanted it to be true.
I was hoping they'd find a book written by Thomas or Lucas Haywarden...but it's just a treatise on medicinal plants or something. Just enough to make it fun for the people who want to believe, and funny to the people who know better.
I use to change my call back number on the old cell phones or forwarding my house phone calls to my sisters it was good clean fun
Oh god ctrl+s...Power was so unreiable here when I was growing up that I have unstoppable muscle memory for enter,ctrl+s....even on websites...But atleast I don't have to save to external floppy disk