Thank you for the direct information from the people involved. So happy no one was hurt physically. Emotionally it is good that they are able to talk about it, it is a start to long term recovery . It shows that if possible have a emergency phone or radio stashed and charged at each end of the boat for a quick emergency call. Once again thank goodness that no one was killed. As the world economy gets worse unfortunately there will be more desperate people
Carry a couple of super soaker waterguns and some flares. When the waterguns are filled with gasoline they become very scary along with the road flares. Most people when sprayed with gasoline will leave quickly when you light the flare. All these items can be carried legally in any port.
@@IcarusX72 Yes, that.. and i was wondering if it might be ''upping the game''. In my mind you don't want to push it too hard, assuming they're coming with a faster, bigger ship. If the pirates get into 'screw-this-let's-teach-them-a-lesson - mode' you might be worse off than before. Same would go for a gun i guess. If you manage to scare them off it's fine, but if they decide to shoot back (because if you defend it, there's gotta be something TO defend on board) you better be in a bulletproof boat... Like he said, it's a difficult situation/problem. Try to avoid it in the 1st place at all costs?
love watching sailing channels here on youtube, but these guys are watching too and that is where they get all there input about who and where most of the sailors are, it is sad but they do that too. Well both are speaking about it ( a wonder ) and it will take long to get over it. Well take care where ever you are and thanks for all the great videos. Sea Tramp, Freedom, and you both. greetings from cold Vienna
Roland Krupitza I don’t think so Roland, they just go to easiest opportunity nearby, it’s like being at the wrong place at the wrong time. They are not very organised. Sorry about the cold over there😊
They MAY be watching, but most TH-cam channels are at least 3 months delayed in posting, and in that time people are NOT where they are during the video. Also, as SOF said, they are looking for opportunity, easy in, easy to overcome, easy out. It was actually strange that they stayed for 45-60 min, apparently they were confidant that no policia would show up.
Extremely scary and so real in Panama unfortunately, after them they robbed another 3 boats and rapped two girls in one of them. Terrible, I am so glad we left the area. Seatramp is crossing the canal tomorrow 😉
Almost an exact incident happened to Wind Hippie Sailing off the same Panama coast several months ago. Armed men, ransacked entire boat and the boat next to it, got on board after dark, trashed the boat, threatened with a firearm, left after a long period of time with cash, electronics, and anything of value.
Don Moore yes, we are aware of that incident as well. That’s all terrible, apparently some of them are in jail but as we know in these countries they don’t stay there for a long time.
I'm from Panama. Sadly, everywhere in the world there are bad nasty people, and unluckily for this couple, they stop in a place (nombre de dios) that has this kind of problem quite often. All that coast that we called "costa arriba colón" is not a safe area and frankly our police is not that effective... I wonder if they knew about this fact... I mean, I'm not a sailor, but if I sail to any place, the logical thing is to check all the avoidable areas..
Hi Juan, I understand but they had an engine problem. They had no choice but stop to fix it. The boaters do research the areas before hand but sometimes things happen and you got to stop for a reason. Cheers
sailing in these remotes areas you have to be prepared for anything, the real world is not a book that you read and follow instructions. im a yacht captain and i have seen these things before, they need to know you are aware of them and able to do something about it. they were very, very lucky, usually it doesn't end that way. not in central america or a few other places i have been to. it just ruins the momentum of happiness they had, safe travels:)
Arming yourself at sea is bad decision for many reasons. Firstly, pirates pretty much never are there to harm you, they want your stuff or in some cases ransom you. Secondly, pirates will ALWAYS have the advatage of surprise and initiative. They can come at night silently, approach as normal fishing boat or swim like in this case. Thirdly, they will be armed, and in most cases outgun you, if it comes to firefight, you will be in disadvantage in every aspect all the while endangering everyone on board. Then there are multitude of legal problems and extra costs to deal with, it's a lot of trouble to get permits and some countries just don't allow it at all. Shipping companies don't arm themselves because it's expensive, risks ships and lives of people. Really only way guns could work if you treat your ship like military vessel, set up actual 24h guard patrol and treat any nearby vessel as threat. But this would just deny you many great experiences and make time aboard miserable. But even after all this preparation, you will still be at greater risk of harm than you would be without guns.
Always have someone on watch when in isolated anchorage. Be ready to move at a moment's notice. Much harder for them to board a moving boat. Keep your cabin and navigation lights off. Also have a bright spotlight and lasers to point and blind them if the get too close at night. Fire a flare gun to illuminate them and warn others.
Hello New Subscriber from San Diego / Baja, Mexico...Former Law Enforcement Officer, Day Sailor and fisherman...Love the Episode on the Pirate attack...Very Good information and I would also Strongly Advise against carrying Firearms... Unless you can do so Legally in every Jurisdiction, which is highly unlikely and more likely to land you in Big Trouble with the Local Law...and Unless you are Trained and Prepared to use them... the majority of time your own weapon will be taken away and used against yourself...Obviously the best Defense against Would be Pirates is to Be Prepared and have a Plan...try to prevent them from getting on the boat in the first place...with Alarms, Sirens, bright Spot Lights, a loud PA system telling them to ''stay away the authorities have been notified''... ''you are being Recorded and Broadcasted on the Internet''...Have your own Display of Force such as Flairs, Fireworks and other Alternative Weapons ready to use that may be on board the boat including but not limited to; Flare guns, Spear guns, Hawaiian sling, shark bang sticks, fishing knives, sledge hammer...Tools such as a propane torch or Flame Thrower, nail gun (not that a cruising boat would normally carry a nail gun but if you had one charged and ready for Defensive Purposes, maybe you could convince Port Authorities that it was for work purposes and they would not confiscate it), same with a chainsaw, compressed air Tank with some kind of Projectile ready to fire...and in an Extreme Life or Death Emergency situation a Gasoline Bomb...(Molotov cocktail) is a breakable glass bottle containing a flammable substance such as gasoline/petrol or a napalm-like mixture, with some motor oil added, and usually a source of ignition such as a burning cloth wick held in place by the bottle's stopper. The wick is usually soaked in alcohol or kerosene, rather than gasoline. In action, the wick is lit and the bottle hurled at a target such as the Pirate's boat. When the bottle smashes on impact, the ensuing cloud of petrol droplets and vapour ignites, causing an immediate fireball followed by a raging fire as the remainder of the fuel is consumed. A poor man's grenade if you will could be assembled from household products...MacGyver style...Good Luck, (Disclaimer as I would not Recommend this or any kind of physical resistance against armed Pirates)..Almost forgot my High Tech Security Deterrent. The Drone !!! Fly a drone over the potential Pirates recording their every movement and their Faces with the Idea that they are Identified and the Whole World is Watching Them...again Be Prepared and Mentally Tough to do whatever it takes to Survive...Good Luck
Molotov cocktail?!!! Really?!!! Nothing wrong with a well hidden handgun and being trained how to use it. Understand its a personal choice and most euro folks are more passive in this decision as part of their culture.
@@thevet2009 Start firing that in a harbor those guys will take off police will show up arrest you. Hate to end up in a 3rd world prison IMO just not go to 3rd world countries where armed robbery reports have happened. Locals will do something about it when people stop going there. The best thing is reporting systems that alert others the local people see these reports do something about it. They know who is robbing people most of these towns are small you know how fast things get around in a small town.
I'm so happy Nina and Mario are safe! I'm wondering since some of the culprits were apprehended, was any of the stolen property recovered and if not do the Panamanian Police know where it may have happened to?
flat lander they were asked how much they wanted to pay to have their stuff back. Obviously they didn’t pay anything, so the answer to your question is no, they lost everything including all the footage of their videos. But at least they are safe. Cheers
Horribly Crooked, but not exactly surprised about that coming from Central America. It would be nice if the police weren’t corrupt, but that isn’t to be expected.
Investing in night vision might be an option so you can see the approaching boat easier at night. They used to be expensive no longer even get security cameras that have color night vision amazing technology for under $300.
Problem was in this case he was jumped by 2 guys who were armed not much you can do with a firearm at that point. Even if you see someone approaching who is armed do you start shooting maybe a warning shot. Now you could end up in a shoot out with someone your in fiberglass haul doesn't stop a bullet. I think firearms work on large ships where several security personal can use sandbags setup positions to repel pirates trying to board with ladders. Not so sure on a sailboat, or motor yacht. Although I have see a video someone shooting a shotgun at a boat that trying to come along side of them seemed to deter them.
First line of defense and alarm, the best there is is a dog 🐶 man's best friend in the finest ears 🤔 next line of defense, man get yourself armed. Legal or otherwise. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.☠️👍
They thought you were transporting DRUGS? CASH? For who? Colombian Cartel? These guys are amateurs.....Or maybe this is the place where a drug/cash exchange happens. "Incidents that have happened, and people have died....Not having a gun - It's not the way to do it" - NOPE, NO THANKS, I rather not take my sloop there if this is the case. You can keep it, I'll be glad to miss it, there are still many beautiful islands in the Lesser Antilles that do not suffer from Big Country crime, let alone Piracy....Thank you very much for letting me know, I'll stick to my peace of mind level...... Decades ago my Father experienced something similar off Fajardo, Puerto Rico. And one of the assailants, the one holding the gun while shaking, was fully drugged out. He got lucky that he got out alive BUT THIS SHOULD NOT BE, as stated/implied here, USUAL and CUSTOMARY. Because you never know what is in the mind of a criminal and worse, one that is drugged out of his mind.....You guys got lucky that they did not 'get their way' with the young beautiful woman or taken her with them, although this varies by region/country.
Yeahhh the place this guys went its legally imposible for thecountry to controll so the militar y cant get there the place is for the the native(tribe not panamenian)
Good interview. I tried to imagine myself in that position. Everyone should practice a plan. Prevent boarding #1. Getting pushed down the companionway .... yikes, I think I’d NOT rely on the intruders good nature. Once the first couple of them get shot, the rest will scatter. Step up and finish them off is up to you. The community would probably be grateful.
@@superresistant0 might they just do that anyway? can you really count on those people to be merciful? i`d feel better if my boat had some means of defence.
@@superresistant0 RIght, they would see you as cattle. so they don't care what they ultimately do to you. you basically have to just pray that they Agree with what you said and decide to be merciful. Not really odds i`d be willing to bet on. Just the same as on land, If somebody breaks into your house or carjacks you, would you count on them simply being nice? I would not.
@@superresistant0 The second they try to board it will be the last boat they board and the only teet they'll milk will be the devils when they get there.
Totally agree. Stand a watch. Fire warning shots if needed. Go into offensive mode if fired upon. There’s footage of crew firing warning shots into the air from a shotgun at around 150m of boat separation and Somali pirates subsequently withdrawing - pirates don’t want a fight. The trick is early detection - radar, standing a watch and showing determined resistance early.
My two Bob - the defenders in this instance did what worked for them, and have reviewed/amended their defensive measures, and should be commended. I have my thoughts on security measures of various levels, based on situation awareness, monitoring, avoidance, early detection, maintaining distance, layers of security/defence. Bottom line - sailors need a practiced plan based on the time/place/context.
How terrifying...can't even start to imagine what it must of have felt to be strained with a gun pointing at you for 45 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!! HORRIFIC experience
The fact that people sail internationally with zero firearms absolutely boggles my mind. Outside of home defense or being in a war zone. I can think of no situation more appropriate for keeping weapons. It's even more appropriate than when I conceal carry daily..
2 intruders had their hands on him before he knew there was a threat. What good is a machine gun or auto cannon in that situation? Did you listen to the interview at all?
@@MrJhchrist With a pistol you can point and shoot very quickly. Since we were not there, we really don't know if he had time to just pull the trigger. You don't need a machine gun. Also in the US you can't get a machine gun, true automatics and not semiautomatics, without ATF approval. Even the ones that are for sale and ATF tax stamp, run $15K-45K. A gun could not be used in all cases, but like a seat belt, you rather have than have not. New Zealander got killed by pirates in Panama. The old folks say guns are not the answer, so is not offering up your loved ones to be killed or rape.
mongomay1 this robbery was on day light still but yes we have came with really good ideas and we are using it. The electric fence it’s probably the best one 🤷♀️
For so many reasons firearms are not the answer for short-handed cruisers. It's only in the USA that guns are so widely embraced as the solution to criminals. On land, you can hide, shoot back or shoot your way out and drive away, that is, if you're a good shot, lucky and steady under pressure. You can hold them at bay and call the police. You have none of those advantages on a boat. There's no place to hide. It's their country, not yours. They know their way around, you don't. You may have one gun, but It's a pretty safe bet they will have more than one and you are a easier target. There's nothing you can do if they get onto the boat. You can neither run nor hide. If you pull a gun at that point, you will probably not survive. You may take out 1 or 2 or them, but there will be others, and they will have friends nearby in faster boats than yours. The most likely outcome is it will raise the temperature of the situation, and they will take the gun and use it on you, and take out their anger on your shipmates in horrible ways. Then there is the matter of customs. Most of the rest of the world is not as in love with guns are Americans are. Unless you're a military vessel, Having a gun onboard raises suspicions and makes you more noticeable. If you don't declare one and they find it, you can be in big big trouble. Your best approach is to stay calm, not antagonize them and give them what they want. You can replace stuff. You can't be un-raped or un-killed.
David Lawrence you are so right on everything you said and we are completely against guns as well. But on the last incident about 4 weeks ago, the cruisers “collaborate “ with everything and the two ladies were rapped. Is no rules on these situations, luck perhaps. Some of these men are in prison at the moment after the latest incident but for how long? We all know how things are in the third world countries. Thank you very much for your comment David, hope to see you around more often. Cheers
@@Insightful_Truth I am so sorry Jennifer. I hope you are well after such a trauma. The Caribbean can be much more dangerous than some people think. Stay safe please ❤️
If this happens in America, do not call the police. Because when the police arrive, you are likely to see the pirates among them. My boat was attacked near Miami twice. The first time the guys had machine guns and a boat that said "Homeland Security" on the side. They used their boat to ram my outboard bracket over and over until they destroyed it, leaving my boat dead in the water. The second time, two of the same guys showed up in civilian clothes with a speedboat. They poured my drinking water into my fuel tank. Don't come here!
You know what would be helpful is to know what the local authorities are doing about this . This is starting to happen a little to often in this area. Basically if the authorities set up a few ghost boats to sail around the area to catch these people. They may just think twice about jacking these cruisers. As punishment drop them off 20 miles off the coast . First one to shore gets a prize 🥇🏅 Dont forget to rub them down with fresh Tuna oil ......helps keep them warm .. wouldn't want them to catch cold
They got 3 of them so far, let’s hope that they will stay in prison for some time. The big problem is when the police is also involved, that turns the game to be more difficult
Daniel Pearson yes some of the places in the Caribbean are not safe at all but it’s a shame to miss because they are beautiful. You have a beautiful route planning. We should go back to the Med next year and spend sometime there, it’s much safer.
Ive yet to come across an opinion/comment of having dog(s) on board to at least give an audible warning, or even a deterrent, ahead of time before the bad guys are actually on board. Why?
That's funny the attitude of these Germans or Dutchmen and the Italians who shot at the pirates with their shotgun. I see why Rome conquered so much of the world.
It's gonna get worse if no one arms themselves so for the love of God it's your right to protect yourself and family and how due you beat someone with a gun? That's for you to decide but I understand the right answer and I have a responsibility to it !
In some European countries even possessing a pepper spray can, for home self defence only, is considered a criminal act by the always knowing what's best for us authorities.
@@steenkigerrider5340 Completely respect your position and reply. This is a personal decision as to how to best protect your loved ones and property as you really do not know the intent of the intruders. EVER
@@VERTICALWisdom I believe you mixed up the replies to your original comment. I personally have no hesitation of having fire arms on board a blue water yacht and using them when push comes to shove.
@@michaelsamuel4159 The crazy thing about gun nuts is that they are either Rambos who think they can take on half a dozen armed pirates by their lonesome selves, or super scaredy cats who'd jump at their own shadow but gun in hand their manhood is restored. Weird bunch... especially the ones who advertise they have guns and like to show them off in public (with safeties off and a round in the chamber).
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Still strange to see us talking about it but thanks for the great video 😘
As a side note, 3 of the 6 guys are sitting in prison now 👍🏻
Sailing Seatramp yes we heard about some of them going to prison after the latest incident, let’s hope that will spend some time there
that is great news!!! I remember watching your video and hearing about it on the facebook groups. my heart goes out to you guys. Hang in there
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Karma! Are you going to testify?
steenkigerrider we did it, gives a few more years...
Thank you for the direct information from the people involved. So happy no one was hurt physically. Emotionally it is good that they are able to talk about it, it is a start to long term recovery . It shows that if possible have a emergency phone or radio stashed and charged at each end of the boat for a quick emergency call. Once again thank goodness that no one was killed. As the world economy gets worse unfortunately there will be more desperate people
mike Francis way to many incidents this year unfortunately and took many victims for them to start to take any action.
@Shawn Smith Guess what? Mario and Nina didn't learn from the experience what you're pushing either.
Glad you guys didn't get hurt.
Dude! That naked cat creeping into the shot at 2:43 scared me. I was like what the hell is crawling up behind this mans head!!
Carry a couple of super soaker waterguns and some flares. When the waterguns are filled with gasoline they become very scary along with the road flares. Most people when sprayed with gasoline will leave quickly when you light the flare. All these items can be carried legally in any port.
Interesting idea. Not trolling, but what if that super soaker drips the burning fuel on your deck and the sparks from your flare touch it?
@@IcarusX72 Yes, that.. and i was wondering if it might be ''upping the game''. In my mind you don't want to push it too hard, assuming they're coming with a faster, bigger ship. If the pirates get into 'screw-this-let's-teach-them-a-lesson - mode' you might be worse off than before. Same would go for a gun i guess. If you manage to scare them off it's fine, but if they decide to shoot back (because if you defend it, there's gotta be something TO defend on board) you better be in a bulletproof boat...
Like he said, it's a difficult situation/problem.
Try to avoid it in the 1st place at all costs?
@@IcarusX72 better than the alternative in many cases
Fuel will react with most spastics. Not a good idea. See my other reply for ideas.
love watching sailing channels here on youtube, but these guys are watching too and that is where they get all there input about who and where most of the sailors are, it is sad but they do that too. Well both are speaking about it ( a wonder ) and it will take long to get over it. Well take care where ever you are and thanks for all the great videos. Sea Tramp, Freedom, and you both.
greetings from cold Vienna
Roland Krupitza I don’t think so Roland, they just go to easiest opportunity nearby, it’s like being at the wrong place at the wrong time. They are not very organised.
Sorry about the cold over there😊
They MAY be watching, but most TH-cam channels are at least 3 months delayed in posting, and in that time people are NOT where they are during the video. Also, as SOF said, they are looking for opportunity, easy in, easy to overcome, easy out. It was actually strange that they stayed for 45-60 min, apparently they were confidant that no policia would show up.
I can not even imagine... How scary!
Extremely scary and so real in Panama unfortunately, after them they robbed another 3 boats and rapped two girls in one of them. Terrible, I am so glad we left the area. Seatramp is crossing the canal tomorrow 😉
@@SailingOceanFox time to take some self defense classes! omg!
that experience literally scared the fur off that cat!
Almost an exact incident happened to Wind Hippie Sailing off the same Panama coast several months ago. Armed men, ransacked entire boat and the boat next to it, got on board after dark, trashed the boat, threatened with a firearm, left after a long period of time with cash, electronics, and anything of value.
Don Moore yes, we are aware of that incident as well. That’s all terrible, apparently some of them are in jail but as we know in these countries they don’t stay there for a long time.
I'm from Panama. Sadly, everywhere in the world there are bad nasty people, and unluckily for this couple, they stop in a place (nombre de dios) that has this kind of problem quite often. All that coast that we called "costa arriba colón" is not a safe area and frankly our police is not that effective... I wonder if they knew about this fact... I mean, I'm not a sailor, but if I sail to any place, the logical thing is to check all the avoidable areas..
Hi Juan, I understand but they had an engine problem. They had no choice but stop to fix it. The boaters do research the areas before hand but sometimes things happen and you got to stop for a reason. Cheers
Also saying that an area of Panama is not safe is no excuse for the actions of these thugs and robbers of Panama.
Wow thank you and thank them for reliving the nightmare. Best of luck to them here on out.
Tim Mitchell thank you
🙏Thankfully you are both safe.
sailing in these remotes areas you have to be prepared for anything, the real world is not a book that you read and follow instructions.
im a yacht captain and i have seen these things before, they need to know you are aware of them and able to do something about it. they were very, very lucky, usually it doesn't end that way. not in central america or a few other places i have been to.
it just ruins the momentum of happiness they had, safe travels:)
Manny silva absolutely! Thank you Manny
Always Arm yourself...put tacks on your deck like Slocum!
Arming yourself at sea is bad decision for many reasons. Firstly, pirates pretty much never are there to harm you, they want your stuff or in some cases ransom you. Secondly, pirates will ALWAYS have the advatage of surprise and initiative. They can come at night silently, approach as normal fishing boat or swim like in this case. Thirdly, they will be armed, and in most cases outgun you, if it comes to firefight, you will be in disadvantage in every aspect all the while endangering everyone on board.
Then there are multitude of legal problems and extra costs to deal with, it's a lot of trouble to get permits and some countries just don't allow it at all. Shipping companies don't arm themselves because it's expensive, risks ships and lives of people.
Really only way guns could work if you treat your ship like military vessel, set up actual 24h guard patrol and treat any nearby vessel as threat. But this would just deny you many great experiences and make time aboard miserable. But even after all this preparation, you will still be at greater risk of harm than you would be without guns.
It is such a shame. I am really sorry for you and I am glad you are ok.
Always have someone on watch when in isolated anchorage. Be ready to move at a moment's notice. Much harder for them to board a moving boat. Keep your cabin and navigation lights off. Also have a bright spotlight and lasers to point and blind them if the get too close at night. Fire a flare gun to illuminate them and warn others.
Hello New Subscriber from San Diego / Baja, Mexico...Former Law Enforcement Officer, Day Sailor and fisherman...Love the Episode on the Pirate attack...Very Good information and I would also Strongly Advise against carrying Firearms... Unless you can do so Legally in every Jurisdiction, which is highly unlikely and more likely to land you in Big Trouble with the Local Law...and Unless you are Trained and Prepared to use them... the majority of time your own weapon will be taken away and used against yourself...Obviously the best Defense against Would be Pirates is to Be Prepared and have a Plan...try to prevent them from getting on the boat in the first place...with Alarms, Sirens, bright Spot Lights, a loud PA system telling them to ''stay away the authorities have been notified''... ''you are being Recorded and Broadcasted on the Internet''...Have your own Display of Force such as Flairs, Fireworks and other Alternative Weapons ready to use that may be on board the boat including but not limited to; Flare guns, Spear guns, Hawaiian sling, shark bang sticks, fishing knives, sledge hammer...Tools such as a propane torch or Flame Thrower, nail gun (not that a cruising boat would normally carry a nail gun but if you had one charged and ready for Defensive Purposes, maybe you could convince Port Authorities that it was for work purposes and they would not confiscate it), same with a chainsaw, compressed air Tank with some kind of Projectile ready to fire...and in an Extreme Life or Death Emergency situation a Gasoline Bomb...(Molotov cocktail) is a breakable glass bottle containing a flammable substance such as gasoline/petrol or a napalm-like mixture, with some motor oil added, and usually a source of ignition such as a burning cloth wick held in place by the bottle's stopper. The wick is usually soaked in alcohol or kerosene, rather than gasoline. In action, the wick is lit and the bottle hurled at a target such as the Pirate's boat. When the bottle smashes on impact, the ensuing cloud of petrol droplets and vapour ignites, causing an immediate fireball followed by a raging fire as the remainder of the fuel is consumed. A poor man's grenade if you will could be assembled from household products...MacGyver style...Good Luck, (Disclaimer as I would not Recommend this or any kind of physical resistance against armed Pirates)..Almost forgot my High Tech Security Deterrent. The Drone !!! Fly a drone over the potential Pirates recording their every movement and their Faces with the Idea that they are Identified and the Whole World is Watching Them...again Be Prepared and Mentally Tough to do whatever it takes to Survive...Good Luck
Molotov cocktail?!!! Really?!!! Nothing wrong with a well hidden handgun and being trained how to use it. Understand its a personal choice and most euro folks are more passive in this decision as part of their culture.
@@thevet2009 Start firing that in a harbor those guys will take off police will show up arrest you. Hate to end up in a 3rd world prison IMO just not go to 3rd world countries where armed robbery reports have happened. Locals will do something about it when people stop going there. The best thing is reporting systems that alert others the local people see these reports do something about it. They know who is robbing people most of these towns are small you know how fast things get around in a small town.
@@thevet2009 Its been successfully done before in this environment and in similar circumstances.
@@Mike-01234 Yeah I know the local police were so concerned they showed up to save the day.
You forget PCP guns. They go up to .50cal and are legal in most countries.
I'm so happy Nina and Mario are safe! I'm wondering since some of the culprits were apprehended, was any of the stolen property recovered and if not do the Panamanian Police know where it may have happened to?
flat lander they were asked how much they wanted to pay to have their stuff back. Obviously they didn’t pay anything, so the answer to your question is no, they lost everything including all the footage of their videos. But at least they are safe. Cheers
Horribly Crooked, but not exactly surprised about that coming from Central America. It would be nice if the police weren’t corrupt, but that isn’t to be expected.
Blaine Reeve unfortunately yes
Check on pirates lights it is a good deterrent and alarm system
Will do, thank you
Why not use the Portable motion sensor alarms. If somebody approach the alarm will go of as well as the motion sensor lights
Investing in night vision might be an option so you can see the approaching boat easier at night. They used to be expensive no longer even get security cameras that have color night vision amazing technology for under $300.
It's just a shame that these countries make it so difficult to travel with weapons.
Adventures of s/v Nepenthe not allowed at al
I'm sure the pirates are very grateful to those governments for making it so easy for them to attack law abiding citizens.
Problem was in this case he was jumped by 2 guys who were armed not much you can do with a firearm at that point. Even if you see someone approaching who is armed do you start shooting maybe a warning shot. Now you could end up in a shoot out with someone your in fiberglass haul doesn't stop a bullet. I think firearms work on large ships where several security personal can use sandbags setup positions to repel pirates trying to board with ladders. Not so sure on a sailboat, or motor yacht. Although I have see a video someone shooting a shotgun at a boat that trying to come along side of them seemed to deter them.
@@Mike-01234 criminals will always look for the lowest risk easiest victim. Period
First line of defense and alarm, the best there is is a dog 🐶 man's best friend in the finest ears 🤔 next line of defense, man get yourself armed.
Legal or otherwise. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.☠️👍
They thought you were transporting DRUGS? CASH? For who? Colombian Cartel? These guys are amateurs.....Or maybe this is the place where a drug/cash exchange happens.
"Incidents that have happened, and people have died....Not having a gun - It's not the way to do it" - NOPE, NO THANKS, I rather not take my sloop there if this is the case. You can keep it, I'll be glad to miss it, there are still many beautiful islands in the Lesser Antilles that do not suffer from Big Country crime, let alone Piracy....Thank you very much for letting me know, I'll stick to my peace of mind level...... Decades ago my Father experienced something similar off Fajardo, Puerto Rico. And one of the assailants, the one holding the gun while shaking, was fully drugged out. He got lucky that he got out alive BUT THIS SHOULD NOT BE, as stated/implied here, USUAL and CUSTOMARY. Because you never know what is in the mind of a criminal and worse, one that is drugged out of his mind.....You guys got lucky that they did not 'get their way' with the young beautiful woman or taken her with them, although this varies by region/country.
That's very unsafe. I was taken by these pirates in Caribbean and was molested before releasing me.
Yeahhh the place this guys went its legally imposible for thecountry to controll so the militar y cant get there the place is for the the native(tribe not panamenian)
"People have died...but it's not a significant number." HA! This dude's an animal!!
Good interview. I tried to imagine myself in that position. Everyone should practice a plan. Prevent boarding #1.
Getting pushed down the companionway .... yikes, I think I’d NOT rely on the intruders good nature. Once the first couple of them get shot, the rest will scatter. Step up and finish them off is up to you.
The community would probably be grateful.
Sailors really ought to be allowed to own defensive weapons.
@@superresistant0 might they just do that anyway? can you really count on those people to be merciful? i`d feel better if my boat had some means of defence.
@@superresistant0 RIght, they would see you as cattle. so they don't care what they ultimately do to you. you basically have to just pray that they Agree with what you said and decide to be merciful. Not really odds i`d be willing to bet on. Just the same as on land, If somebody breaks into your house or carjacks you, would you count on them simply being nice?
I would not.
@@superresistant0 Tell that to the father that was killed by pirates in Honduras. It's fine until it happens to you or your loved one
@@superresistant0 The second they try to board it will be the last boat they board and the only teet they'll milk will be the devils when they get there.
Totally agree. Stand a watch. Fire warning shots if needed. Go into offensive mode if fired upon. There’s footage of crew firing warning shots into the air from a shotgun at around 150m of boat separation and Somali pirates subsequently withdrawing - pirates don’t want a fight. The trick is early detection - radar, standing a watch and showing determined resistance early.
they got “Wind Hippie Sailing” too......
I know, in the same place
I'll be sailing NOWHERE my gun doesn't go!
guess you'll just be on the costal waters then...
@@Invertatude that's OK...no interest in any 3rd world shithole anyway!
@@fissh29 3rd world shitholes are great! "I have no guns officer. Did you dropped this 100$?"
@@connannbarbarin3033 NOPE... I'd rather put a bullet in all those that are corrupt!
@@fissh29 ye, better dont leave your house than.
Keeping 1 person up top would have given you time to act when you go to sleep always lock up the boat to stop entry .
Get a Hatsan Blitz full automatic .30cal PCP rifle. A copper wire just above the railing with 230volt. Bear spray. Voice command flood lights. CCTV.
Wow,great video
Central America, for the most part, is ok, MANY PLACES aren’t as wholesome as depicted in magazines.
Life is about managing risks.
My two Bob - the defenders in this instance did what worked for them, and have reviewed/amended their defensive measures, and should be commended.
I have my thoughts on security measures of various levels, based on situation awareness, monitoring, avoidance, early detection, maintaining distance, layers of security/defence. Bottom line - sailors need a practiced plan based on the time/place/context.
How terrifying...can't even start to imagine what it must of have felt to be strained with a gun pointing at you for 45 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!! HORRIFIC experience
yaa63 yes I agree, the most terrifying experience these guys had
If im ever going to sail, it ll just be around the Med and probably along the coast of Morocco down to the Canaries
It will be good enough around there believe me. We are going back to that area now. Cheers
The fact that people sail internationally with zero firearms absolutely boggles my mind.
Outside of home defense or being in a war zone. I can think of no situation more appropriate for keeping weapons. It's even more appropriate than when I conceal carry daily..
Well, our boat is guns free. Cheers
@@SailingOceanFox it's a choice. We all free to accept the calculated risks of our chosen strategy ✌😎🚬
Brazen Bull absolutely
Well said. It should be a free choice for everyone.
People should be able to carry heavy guns on boats to defend themselfs
2 intruders had their hands on him before he knew there was a threat. What good is a machine gun or auto cannon in that situation? Did you listen to the interview at all?
@@MrJhchrist ah shut up you rude usa person
@@daktarioskarvannederhosen2568 Ha, trolls give me lols
@@MrJhchrist I'd still rather have an AK47 tho wouldn't you? Alright in this case it wouldn't have helped.... But still tho, I'd like the protection.
@@MrJhchrist With a pistol you can point and shoot very quickly. Since we were not there, we really don't know if he had time to just pull the trigger. You don't need a machine gun. Also in the US you can't get a machine gun, true automatics and not semiautomatics, without ATF approval. Even the ones that are for sale and ATF tax stamp, run $15K-45K. A gun could not be used in all cases, but like a seat belt, you rather have than have not. New Zealander got killed by pirates in Panama. The old folks say guns are not the answer, so is not offering up your loved ones to be killed or rape.
Scary stuff!
Sailing Citrine Sunset yes, very scary specially when you are so close
Can't believe the woman drops the phone...
Well at least they weren't badly injured
Just emotionally, but they are ok now. Cheers
"Are you over it?"
Are you kidding?
Nice intro
Thank you
The best way to avoid this is to anchor in groups and have watch on turn
Maybe solar or motion detector lights that you can turn on in the evenings pointed towards where folks could climb aboard???
mongomay1 this robbery was on day light still but yes we have came with really good ideas and we are using it. The electric fence it’s probably the best one 🤷♀️
@@SailingOceanFox I really like that idea.
SV Avocet yep it works at sea on dangerous coasts and at anchor when it’s remote
@@SailingOceanFox do you have a link? We would like to invest before we go south
SV Avocet Ww didn’t buy, Simon made it
Bear spray, bear bangers, home made flamethrower, or a 2 shot derringer that could be tossed Overboard after use
Wow! She is SO beautiful! 🥰
And she could have been a fast piece of ass. No gun....your screwed.
Stay with a group if possible!
michael d yes, that’s always one of the things we do, stay around other boats
For so many reasons firearms are not the answer for short-handed cruisers. It's only in the USA that guns are so widely embraced as the solution to criminals. On land, you can hide, shoot back or shoot your way out and drive away, that is, if you're a good shot, lucky and steady under pressure. You can hold them at bay and call the police. You have none of those advantages on a boat. There's no place to hide. It's their country, not yours. They know their way around, you don't. You may have one gun, but It's a pretty safe bet they will have more than one and you are a easier target. There's nothing you can do if they get onto the boat. You can neither run nor hide. If you pull a gun at that point, you will probably not survive. You may take out 1 or 2 or them, but there will be others, and they will have friends nearby in faster boats than yours. The most likely outcome is it will raise the temperature of the situation, and they will take the gun and use it on you, and take out their anger on your shipmates in horrible ways. Then there is the matter of customs. Most of the rest of the world is not as in love with guns are Americans are. Unless you're a military vessel, Having a gun onboard raises suspicions and makes you more noticeable. If you don't declare one and they find it, you can be in big big trouble. Your best approach is to stay calm, not antagonize them and give them what they want. You can replace stuff. You can't be un-raped or un-killed.
David Lawrence you are so right on everything you said and we are completely against guns as well. But on the last incident about 4 weeks ago, the cruisers “collaborate “ with everything and the two ladies were rapped.
Is no rules on these situations, luck perhaps.
Some of these men are in prison at the moment after the latest incident but for how long? We all know how things are in the third world countries.
Thank you very much for your comment David, hope to see you around more often. Cheers
@@SailingOceanFox Unfortunately I was raped while sailing in the Caribbean waters.
@@Insightful_Truth I am so sorry Jennifer. I hope you are well after such a trauma. The Caribbean can be much more dangerous than some people think. Stay safe please ❤️
An unarmed father was killed by pirates in Honduras. Being at the mercy of criminals seems unimaginable to me.
It is better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it. Pirates need lessons too.
Make sure to bring your most expensive and prized gun with you when sailing internationally.
British response, "self protection" isn't the way to go.
And we gave the Panama Canal back to these chumps. Well that certainly made it a better place.
This shit doesnt happen I live in Panamá and Florida back and forth and the dickheads went to the only Island controlled colombian cartels
Buy some packs of counterfeit theater money and offer it to them, they'll never know the difference.
If this happens in America, do not call the police. Because when the police arrive, you are likely to see the pirates among them. My boat was attacked near Miami twice. The first time the guys had machine guns and a boat that said "Homeland Security" on the side. They used their boat to ram my outboard bracket over and over until they destroyed it, leaving my boat dead in the water. The second time, two of the same guys showed up in civilian clothes with a speedboat. They poured my drinking water into my fuel tank. Don't come here!
This is why I'm armed on my boat with several different varieties of defense,flares spear guns,
after spending over a decade around the yachting and sailing industry, the FIRST thing a knowledgable Captain or owner will do is arm the vessel.
After spending over a decade on yachts and in the sailing industry, I can assure you that is incorrect.
Police by day, pirates by night.
Seldom Scene 🤷♀️🤷♀️
You know what would be helpful is to know what the local authorities are doing about this . This is starting to happen a little to often in this area.
Basically if the authorities set up a few ghost boats to sail around the area to catch these people. They may just think twice about jacking these cruisers.
As punishment drop them off 20 miles off the coast . First one to shore gets a prize 🥇🏅
Dont forget to rub them down with fresh Tuna oil ......helps keep them warm
.. wouldn't want them to catch cold
A couple on deck and a dozen marines below.
They got 3 of them so far, let’s hope that they will stay in prison for some time. The big problem is when the police is also involved, that turns the game to be more difficult
Anton Ditt that would do as a bite
Daniel Pearson yes some of the places in the Caribbean are not safe at all but it’s a shame to miss because they are beautiful. You have a beautiful route planning. We should go back to the Med next year and spend sometime there, it’s much safer.
@@SailingOceanFox Pacific should be pretty save too as soon you left Central America behind you.
I would have several guns and all on board would know how to use them. To each there own however, good luck to you all.
Rick Wag thank you Rick
Sea Tramp.
Yes, they are awasome
Ive yet to come across an opinion/comment of having dog(s) on board to at least give an audible warning, or even a deterrent, ahead of time before the bad guys are actually on board. Why?
That's funny the attitude of these Germans or Dutchmen and the Italians who shot at the pirates with their shotgun. I see why Rome conquered so much of the world.
That’s one main reason panama exists due to pirate colonization
What kind of cat is that - the kitty cat with little fur? When i plan on cruising, I will have a handgun stashed.
Michael Kerr it’s a Sphinx Michael, doesn’t have any hair at all.
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It's gonna get worse if no one arms themselves so for the love of God it's your right to protect yourself and family and how due you beat someone with a gun? That's for you to decide but I understand the right answer and I have a responsibility to it !
Love Europeans - No guns oh my. Sailing sheep.
VERTICAL Wisdom 🤷♀️🤷♀️
In some European countries even possessing a pepper spray can, for home self defence only, is considered a criminal act by the always knowing what's best for us authorities.
steenkigerrider no guns for us, it’s a really big no
@@steenkigerrider5340 Completely respect your position and reply. This is a personal decision as to how to best protect your loved ones and property as you really do not know the intent of the intruders. EVER
@@VERTICALWisdom I believe you mixed up the replies to your original comment.
I personally have no hesitation of having fire arms on board a blue water yacht and using them when push comes to shove.
You have a lucky: from behind you have a bout a nice long blond hair...
A two min story in 19 min!
DOBERMAN PINSCHER..
What about the sexual assault?
Didn’t happened
Why funny?
Get a gun
And escalate a theft to a homicide. No property is worth loss of life, especially yours or your crew.
@@oceandrew self defense, not homicide!
@@michaelsamuel4159 The crazy thing about gun nuts is that they are either Rambos who think they can take on half a dozen armed pirates by their lonesome selves, or super scaredy cats who'd jump at their own shadow but gun in hand their manhood is restored. Weird bunch... especially the ones who advertise they have guns and like to show them off in public (with safeties off and a round in the chamber).