what can WTA do against the chinese government. I think they tried by removing themselves from china that year and asked questions. AO should not have stopped people wearing t shirts asking where PENG SHUAI is
WTF do you want the WTA to do against Peng who is in Communist China. Peng is not here competing. WTA has to improve and whatever happened with Peng Shuai is what they are learning from and not making the same mistakes.
True that being abused can become a heartbreaking habit - but suggesting that Rybakina is not the best person to judge her own coaching situation is condescending in the extreme. Using her situation to prove a point, however important, is a mild form of abuse in its own right.
I GUARANTEE all these people commenting that theybknow better are all about "empowering women." Bunch of white knights and busy body "feminists" talking over and for other people. Virtue signalling at its best.
It’s evident that their relationship is not just coach & player, Elena started with him when she was 18 and Vukov 30, he has been her only coach & probably feels that she needs him, what is worrying is that not only Pam is talking about abuse, also Renae Stubbs told in her podcast than many players told her that she should hear how Vukov talks about Elena to his friends & other coaches. I don’t think this is a conspiracy against Vukov
No need to see things only in a stereotypical way. Probably she knows very well what kind of person she's talking about now and what kind of acts that person is capable of doing. Time distance from their relationship can give to her even more clarity of facts.
@@Vipa567 Shriver knows from her past experience what happens when the organization does not help women who are vulnerable. WTA as an organization to be socially responsible. We do not want to hear 10 years from now how this coach messed up her life, and the powers that be had authority to step in for the player or member of the organization.
The simple answer is it’s NOBODY’S business. Not the tabloids WTA other coaches commentators supporters etc… Rybakina has a huge support network if they felt they needed to step in the would have. If it’s true WTA planted ppl in the stands that is a set up that is not evidence of abuse. The biggest abusers here are WTA and their minions. Just leave Elena alone and stop the meddling.
Pam Shriver told her story a few years back and I was hoping people would learn from this, and be aware. These young girls heading out on tour with older teams of men, and they always end up in relationships with them. Again and again. We need more female coaches and high profile women choosing a female team.
that is not the answer, these girls need to be better educated, they need to learn from the mistakes of others. No one should have to choose FEMALE, there are relationships on tour where the coach or physio is female and they get caught up in that lesbian relationship. The WTA is doing the right thing by having a code of conduct and consequences for violating it. Parents of these young women need to step in and advocate for the young women. Responsibility is lacking , education, and a moral code for the coaches is what's needed. Women like Shriver sharing her story and offering some peer leadership is how they prevent more of this from happening. The answer is certainly not hire more women coaches, male or female, there are people who cross the line and it is not good. Professionalism is key and keeping your love life separate from business is a good motto.
Nah. If abuse was so common we'd see loads of older and former WTA players speaking up. And what's wrong with a relationship? Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. Also really disgusting of Jon Wertheim to draw a parallel between Rybakina's trainer situation and domestic violence; he doesn't know anything about their relationship.
Elena was categorical in her media interaction that the WTA has been unfair & she was never contacted by anyone. She also said that Pam or anyone else hasn’t ever spoken to her. When a player is actually denied her choice of coach, isn’t it also discrimination?
Of course they know something, just like the ATP knew something about Zverez, but he got a slap on the hand for abusing his girlfriend and the German courts let him off easily.
Of course he might well have been suspended for nothing. WTA obviously decided that Rybakina's well being isn't the important thing here; more and more people are talking and it has become a bad look for the WTA. Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her.
By the way, many players are well aware of the relationship between Rybakina and Vukov. Pam mentioned that she heard a lot of gossip during the Adelaide tournament, where there were quite a few Russian tennis players, her friends, and colleagues. It’s probably an open secret that they are (or were and now are again) a couple. It surprises me that the mediocre journalists can’t get to the bottom of it.
Unless they saw this personal relationship, they can be sued for writing it as fact. Mediocre journalist are well aware of their jobs and how they can be sued for printing something that they cannot provide facts to. Duh smh. Those who think they are smart are not.
Oh, give it a rest. You Americans are extremely uptight about age differences regarding relationships. Only one thing matters - that all involved are consenting adults. Also this is all purely based on gossip. Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection.
Отстаньте от Елены и Стефано! Не мешайте им работать вместе своими домыслами и сплетнями. Она показывала отличные результаты с ним, пока не вмешались посторонние люди. Вот, что всем действительно мешает, их успех! Елена взрослая женщина и разберется сама в своих трудовых отношениях с тренером!
Surely it’s up to her who she employs as her coach she not a 14 year old she’s a multi millionaire with all the power must work for her if she wants to reemploy him very strange
She is an adult. She is saying there is no abuse. She wants him back. It is her career, and the consequences will be paid to her in case she is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
However, the WTA must protect its players and members of the organization. The WTA has an obligation to improve the treatment of players, and they have come a long way from 20 years ago. Imagine, every major organization has policies regarding sexual harassment, disparities, and fraternization, and other issues. Just imagine a lawsuit down the road claiming the WTA did nothing to protect her from an opportunist, abuser, and manipulator who they were aware of , and saw at times being abusive verbally. I am sure the attorney would say, the WTA should have stepped in, even though she is an adult.
@@nt4081 Well, as far as we know there's nothing but malicious gossip on X that has triggered this suspension. More and more people starts to talk and it has become a bad look for the WTA. But Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. If Rybakina and her entire team insists over and over there's no problem (and she keeps preforming at a top 10 level) they must let it go.
Great podcast Andy. I wish he would talk about Iga stating in her post match interview in the United Cup match against Coco Gauff - that she took an off court medical timeout for the only purpose of getting a rest and had no physical issue.
This is nonsense. Somehow I don't remember anyone throwing mud at, for example, Azarenka, Sabalenka or Willmians when they took medical breaks. Iga has a thigh/crutch muscle problem because the match with Rybakina the day before was very physical, and two days earlier also with Muchova. Coco also took medical breaks many times. How can you believe this crap about Iga?
For any reason, She should try new coach. She had mind problems when face fierce and tough Opponents for too long. I did not see the sign that Vukov can fix these.
Sorry Andy I need to correct you in regards to Jelena Dokic. He may have thrown a fish at US open but the main thing that showed his true colours was when he threatened to blow up the Australian embassy and then was ban for attending the tournament and if I remember correctly was then kicked out of Australia.
I wouldn't even call it a secret affair, they've been having a relationship all along i suppose. She was always very private and unconfortable with personal questions. For her to literally say she thinks her and Vukow can also do "many useful things off the court" is pretty much an admission that she can't or doesn't want to split up with the guy, even if she technically wants Goran to be her new coach.
It would appear that the WTA has a problem with Vukov. This is probably because Pam Shriver decided to make something her business that was not. Elena seemingly has no problem with Vukov and that is all that matters. I do not think she informed Goran about any of this because it is unlikely he would have taken the position if he knew Vukov was coming back. That is not a good look at all for Rybakina.
She was seen with bruises on her body and even had a black eye after losing a match. Perhaps she is acting like any victim of a violent partner and protecting him instead of walking away from him. Reportedly, her parents have come forward to the WTA claiming that he is physically harming her.
Many of the male coaches seem overly aggressive in their behaviour towards female players. Of course just my opinion but you don’t really see the same in the men’s game which is the opposite often with player behaviour not great towards coach. Rybakina would be better off getting a new coach permanently:results don’t mean the coach is a good person and obviously there is some problem.
Rybakina may deny there’s an issue, but we are all not recognizing that victims of abuse often paradoxically DEFEND their abusers, not fully understanding how poorly they may be treated. Victims of abuse will understand
Nah. This is all purely based on gossip and that's whay makes it so alarming. I mean, what if you're wrong? Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. Also really disgusting of Jon Wertheim to draw a parallel between Rybakina's trainer situation and domestic violence; he doesn't know anything for sure about their relationship.
How about letting a grown woman make her own decisions? You know, women empowerment and all that which I'm sure you're all about? Or you'd rather ignore what she says and speak over and for her? What an "ally" l
Abusive relationship? You're judging the situation purely on gossip. And anyway Rybakina is 25. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. It's almost a bit abusive...
He doesn't seem a bad coach either. Vukov has a style and it's hands on and verbally strong. Everyone jumps on the band wagon of abusive behavior rather than listen to Rybakina who openly defends him. Everybody has issues as duos. You need to compromise sometimes and look at both sides. Elena is happy so leave it at that.
Dominic, when this many people, other players and coaches, have observed his behavior and deemed it abusive, and there are obvious changes in behavior and demeanor, it is likely abusive. He has been her coach since childhood, for her, his behavior is the norm. That doesn't make it any less abusive.
@Dominic-zr7cx Unfortunately, this is quite common. Children of abused parents lie and defend the abusive parent and abused spouses defend the abusive spouse. It's partly fear and partly dependence. Specifically, emotional abuse leads the abused party to believe they are nothing without the abused. They often deny the abuse to authorities to "protect" the abuser.
@@grantmm01 That's a fair point. I'm no psychology expert so it could be the case. Having said that Rybakina wouldn't exactly be in a corner where some abused people that's the case the (nowhere to run) element of abuse. That's why I believe with Rybakina that can't be the case as she's got options and wouldn't be co dependent or desperate as I believe now she's probably got way more money than him. I think she's got it under control.
@Dominic-zr7cx Unfortunately, neither wealth, nor education protect people from abuse. There have been several famous cases of abuse of tennis players by coaches in the past.
It is very clear now, ER has a huge obsession both romantically and physically with SV with Venus square Pluto. Plus SV has a huge ego plus idealistic mentally so when she doesn't win , it hurts him and disappointed him causing him anguish enough to shout publicly at ER. A sad situation indeed. It won't be productive at all. She needs to be encouraged and nurtured. It's hard for her to shake this as many other young ladies in society . I had 3 occasions with Venus square Pluto partners. It was elation followed by pain and frustration.
First of all, this topic is about Rybakina, not Iga. Secondly, Iga's trainer left not because of the investigation into the matter of a substance that could not help her in any way in such a small amount, but because things had already stopped between them, the understanding between them was disappearing. This is quite different from having an affair with one's trainer or violence in a relationship and using a young girl for one's own purposes.
I think the WTA has overstepped here if there is no physical abuse and the player has no complaints. Pam Shriver’s heart is in the right place but if there is no violence, what can be done?
She was seen with bruises on her body and even had a black eye after losing a match. Perhaps she is acting like any victim of a violent partner and protecting him instead of walking away from him. Reportedly, her parents have come forward to the WTA claiming that he is physically harming her.
Who said there is no evidence? There is a code of conduct as well. The WTa like many businesses and organization have a social responsibility . With the "Me too Movement", sexual harassment, and other issue, the WTA cannot risk letting it go, and then down the road she or someone else is suing because protections are in place for the players and the company r organization did not care to enforce the code of conduct and create a safe, ethical, and positive environment for everyone.
Tennis is such a clown sport in its leadership From the whining about fans lightly talking, other players “being abusive” on the court, etc This is the softest sport ever
Rybakina has denied these allegation countless times. Why is this being thrust onto her by people in the media when she’s denied it over and over. Its demeaning and bizarre.
Get over it…female players hook up with their coaches…you can’t designate if the male is the asshole or if the female is making up allegations. WTA is overstepping with this issue. We can’t get details in Sinners doping case in April but we feel like we have the right to know about her private life?
I think it's very irresponsible to talk about this situation in comparison to things like intimate partner violence unless you will/can speak about the specific alleged issues in their coach-athlete relationship. Otherwise, it leads to further speculation which seems to be what Rybakina herself is trying to avoid.
It seems that Vukov and Elena are a couple and are sleeping together. They probably broke up for a short time, and she had a rough time. The guy had his fun and then went back to his ex.
This guest repeats one point 10 times. Without realizing it. I am annoyed. If you want to speak publicly please go learn about public speaking and do not waste my time.
Speaking of Roddick. USA tennis is looking good. I think Fritz wins Australia and Coco on the female side. Look out for Jack Draper this year as well. Englands best player since Perry. (Male)
I only see Fritz winning if Sinner and Alcaraz get knocked out by other players first, which may happen to one but is unlikely to happen to both. They exploit his weaknesses too much Coco is a solid prediction imo, its gonna be her or Sablenka I think
...you all gossip about bed matters for now, but I can say one thing in the context of tennis: 1) this year a WOMAN will not be a favorite. 2) and MOST LIKELY her achievements are already behind her....
This is insane. Have you ever heard football and basketball coaches? For perspective, pls consider another analysis th-cam.com/video/N82_zLDnRgc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zDn4wh7bbZaDmfLl
Seems like the WTA is doing more here than in the case of Peng Shuai. If we are talking about protecting wta players........
what can WTA do against the chinese government. I think they tried by removing themselves from china that year and asked questions. AO should not have stopped people wearing t shirts asking where PENG SHUAI is
WTF do you want the WTA to do against Peng who is in Communist China. Peng is not here competing. WTA has to improve and whatever happened with Peng Shuai is what they are learning from and not making the same mistakes.
True that being abused can become a heartbreaking habit - but suggesting that Rybakina is not the best person to judge her own coaching situation is condescending in the extreme. Using her situation to prove a point, however important, is a mild form of abuse in its own right.
Yup. Top comment!
I GUARANTEE all these people commenting that theybknow better are all about "empowering women." Bunch of white knights and busy body "feminists" talking over and for other people. Virtue signalling at its best.
My favorite coach player relationship was the Puntinseva one - where she yelled at her coach during the match.
I loved that too !! No one gets angrier than her ! No one.
It’s evident that their relationship is not just coach & player, Elena started with him when she was 18 and Vukov 30, he has been her only coach & probably feels that she needs him, what is worrying is that not only Pam is talking about abuse, also Renae Stubbs told in her podcast than many players told her that she should hear how Vukov talks about Elena to his friends & other coaches. I don’t think this is a conspiracy against Vukov
It's probably a hard breakup from a long relationship for her
The key word is ‘break up’ and the reason Pam Sh is talking about it is that she had a relationship with her coach since she was 17
No need to see things only in a stereotypical way. Probably she knows very well what kind of person she's talking about now and what kind of acts that person is capable of doing. Time distance from their relationship can give to her even more clarity of facts.
And you and Pam and everyone knows everything and rybakina herself is stupid?????? Yeah nice try @@mirrama9866
@@mirrama9866 Why would she probably know what he's like? I've never heard of Shriver having any business with Rybakina or him before all this.
@@Vipa567 Shriver knows from her past experience what happens when the organization does not help women who are vulnerable. WTA as an organization to be socially responsible. We do not want to hear 10 years from now how this coach messed up her life, and the powers that be had authority to step in for the player or member of the organization.
The simple answer is it’s NOBODY’S business. Not the tabloids WTA other coaches commentators supporters etc… Rybakina has a huge support network if they felt they needed to step in the would have. If it’s true WTA planted ppl in the stands that is a set up that is not evidence of abuse. The biggest abusers here are WTA and their minions. Just leave Elena alone and stop the meddling.
Pam Shriver told her story a few years back and I was hoping people would learn from this, and be aware. These young girls heading out on tour with older teams of men, and they always end up in relationships with them. Again and again. We need more female coaches and high profile women choosing a female team.
that is not the answer, these girls need to be better educated, they need to learn from the mistakes of others. No one should have to choose FEMALE, there are relationships on tour where the coach or physio is female and they get caught up in that lesbian relationship. The WTA is doing the right thing by having a code of conduct and consequences for violating it. Parents of these young women need to step in and advocate for the young women. Responsibility is lacking , education, and a moral code for the coaches is what's needed. Women like Shriver sharing her story and offering some peer leadership is how they prevent more of this from happening. The answer is certainly not hire more women coaches, male or female, there are people who cross the line and it is not good. Professionalism is key and keeping your love life separate from business is a good motto.
I have news for you, women get into relationships with women also.
Nah. If abuse was so common we'd see loads of older and former WTA players speaking up. And what's wrong with a relationship? Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. Also really disgusting of Jon Wertheim to draw a parallel between Rybakina's trainer situation and domestic violence; he doesn't know anything about their relationship.
Elena was categorical in her media interaction that the WTA has been unfair & she was never contacted by anyone. She also said that Pam or anyone else hasn’t ever spoken to her.
When a player is actually denied her choice of coach, isn’t it also discrimination?
Been waiting for this.
Remember Patty Schneider & the svengali? Back in the 80's. He had total control over her and destroyed her career. Sickening.
Vukov took her from rank 200 to a top player earning millions
Maybe the WTA knows something ... he wasn't suspended for nothing...
Of course they know something, just like the ATP knew something about Zverez, but he got a slap on the hand for abusing his girlfriend and the German courts let him off easily.
Of course he might well have been suspended for nothing. WTA obviously decided that Rybakina's well being isn't the important thing here; more and more people are talking and it has become a bad look for the WTA. Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her.
Maybe the WTA are incompetent/dumb
By the way, many players are well aware of the relationship between Rybakina and Vukov. Pam mentioned that she heard a lot of gossip during the Adelaide tournament, where there were quite a few Russian tennis players, her friends, and colleagues. It’s probably an open secret that they are (or were and now are again) a couple. It surprises me that the mediocre journalists can’t get to the bottom of it.
Unless they saw this personal relationship, they can be sued for writing it as fact. Mediocre journalist are well aware of their jobs and how they can be sued for printing something that they cannot provide facts to. Duh smh. Those who think they are smart are not.
Oh, give it a rest. You Americans are extremely uptight about age differences regarding relationships. Only one thing matters - that all involved are consenting adults. Also this is all purely based on gossip. Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection.
Отстаньте от Елены и Стефано! Не мешайте им работать вместе своими домыслами и сплетнями. Она показывала отличные результаты с ним, пока не вмешались посторонние люди. Вот, что всем действительно мешает, их успех! Елена взрослая женщина и разберется сама в своих трудовых отношениях с тренером!
Really disgusting of Jon to compare ER's trainer situation with with domestic violence.
Surely it’s up to her who she employs as her coach she not a 14 year old she’s a multi millionaire with all the power must work for her if she wants to reemploy him very strange
She is an adult. She is saying there is no abuse. She wants him back. It is her career, and the consequences will be paid to her in case she is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
However, the WTA must protect its players and members of the organization. The WTA has an obligation to improve the treatment of players, and they have come a long way from 20 years ago. Imagine, every major organization has policies regarding sexual harassment, disparities, and fraternization, and other issues. Just imagine a lawsuit down the road claiming the WTA did nothing to protect her from an opportunist, abuser, and manipulator who they were aware of , and saw at times being abusive verbally. I am sure the attorney would say, the WTA should have stepped in, even though she is an adult.
@@nt4081 Well, as far as we know there's nothing but malicious gossip on X that has triggered this suspension. More and more people starts to talk and it has become a bad look for the WTA. But Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. If Rybakina and her entire team insists over and over there's no problem (and she keeps preforming at a top 10 level) they must let it go.
Surely if there is something untoward going on here Goran isn't just going to go along with it.
Great podcast Andy. I wish he would talk about Iga stating in her post match interview in the United Cup match against Coco Gauff - that she took an off court medical timeout for the only purpose of getting a rest and had no physical issue.
That’s not against the rules. Roger did that to break momentum too.
She actually said that? Wow. I find her increasingly unlikeable by the day.
This is nonsense. Somehow I don't remember anyone throwing mud at, for example, Azarenka, Sabalenka or Willmians when they took medical breaks. Iga has a thigh/crutch muscle problem because the match with Rybakina the day before was very physical, and two days earlier also with Muchova. Coco also took medical breaks many times. How can you believe this crap about Iga?
For any reason, She should try new coach. She had mind problems when face fierce and tough Opponents for too long. I did not see the sign that Vukov can fix these.
Where can one find the Coach’s Code of Conduct???
Sorry Andy I need to correct you in regards to Jelena Dokic. He may have thrown a fish at US open but the main thing that showed his true colours was when he threatened to blow up the Australian embassy and then was ban for attending the tournament and if I remember correctly was then kicked out of Australia.
Andy I love how we get to get your thoughts on tennis, a real pro! But your serve tho Andy, your serve….
Brooooo!!!!!
❤️💯🇬🇧
Where is Peng Shuai?
Maybe they have a secret affair. Rybakina always defends vukov
I wouldn't even call it a secret affair, they've been having a relationship all along i suppose. She was always very private and unconfortable with personal questions. For her to literally say she thinks her and Vukow can also do "many useful things off the court" is pretty much an admission that she can't or doesn't want to split up with the guy, even if she technically wants Goran to be her new coach.
Maybe ? Everyone knows they had an affair.
Hmm 🤨
@@tennissir1986 Everyone? How do they know?
@ This isn’t rocket science.
This is not domestic violence do not conflate a tough coach with domestic violence that's BS i trust her judgment!
What did he do that was even that tough? Telling her to be quiet ?
I legit don’t know what makes him tougher than any other coach
It would appear that the WTA has a problem with Vukov. This is probably because Pam Shriver decided to make something her business that was not. Elena seemingly has no problem with Vukov and that is all that matters. I do not think she informed Goran about any of this because it is unlikely he would have taken the position if he knew Vukov was coming back. That is not a good look at all for Rybakina.
She was seen with bruises on her body and even had a black eye after losing a match. Perhaps she is acting like any victim of a violent partner and protecting him instead of walking away from him. Reportedly, her parents have come forward to the WTA claiming that he is physically harming her.
@@Polans-gd What nonsense lies.
@@Vipa567how do you know it's "nonsense"?
@@Vipa567 This shit is insane
Americans get so weird about this crap… start making up theories
Many of the male coaches seem overly aggressive in their behaviour towards female players.
Of course just my opinion but you don’t really see the same in the men’s game which is the opposite often with player behaviour not great towards coach.
Rybakina would be better off getting a new coach permanently:results don’t mean the coach is a good person and obviously there is some problem.
Why does the WTA take forever to investigate something???
fairness, you want a quick, less than complete , through investigation ?
Bunch of white knights.
Goran should distance himself from the drama
Here's what I don't understand. If Elena is saying nothing is wrong, than who's to say he did!?!
for example: her parents
People who saw wrong stuff?
She's a 25 year old grown millionaire. shouldn't she get to choose who she wants in her life and how she's treated ?
@@vinceo2b It's bad for the image and sustainability of the sport if there's a toxic coaching culture.
Her parents.
Rybakina may deny there’s an issue, but we are all not recognizing that victims of abuse often paradoxically DEFEND their abusers, not fully understanding how poorly they may be treated. Victims of abuse will understand
Nah. This is all purely based on gossip and that's whay makes it so alarming. I mean, what if you're wrong? Rybakina is 25 for God's sake. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. Also really disgusting of Jon Wertheim to draw a parallel between Rybakina's trainer situation and domestic violence; he doesn't know anything for sure about their relationship.
How about letting a grown woman make her own decisions? You know, women empowerment and all that which I'm sure you're all about? Or you'd rather ignore what she says and speak over and for her? What an "ally" l
What a strange take. We should start by believing what she is saying until there is EVIDENCE to the contrary. Speculation and gossip is not evidence
Who are you?!? Lol you ppl really think you can take away ppl’s autonomy
@ if that’s what you think this discussion is about then you’re a child
This coach will be under a microscope if he is allowed back in.
Goran will leave after australia. Rybakina and coach have a romantic relationship..
Clearly dating … the only reason you would hire back your abusive ex coach is if you got back together after a break up
Abusive relationship? You're judging the situation purely on gossip. And anyway Rybakina is 25. Let her decide what's best for her. Extremely patronizing to portray adult professional athletes as delicate roses that can't think straight and needs our protection. It's almost a bit abusive...
The word abusive means absolutely nothing in tennis … Such a joke
He doesn't seem a bad coach either. Vukov has a style and it's hands on and verbally strong. Everyone jumps on the band wagon of abusive behavior rather than listen to Rybakina who openly defends him. Everybody has issues as duos. You need to compromise sometimes and look at both sides. Elena is happy so leave it at that.
Dominic, when this many people, other players and coaches, have observed his behavior and deemed it abusive, and there are obvious changes in behavior and demeanor, it is likely abusive. He has been her coach since childhood, for her, his behavior is the norm. That doesn't make it any less abusive.
@grantmm01 If he was why would Rybakina re hire him? It's her decision at the end of the day
@Dominic-zr7cx Unfortunately, this is quite common. Children of abused parents lie and defend the abusive parent and abused spouses defend the abusive spouse. It's partly fear and partly dependence. Specifically, emotional abuse leads the abused party to believe they are nothing without the abused. They often deny the abuse to authorities to "protect" the abuser.
@@grantmm01 That's a fair point. I'm no psychology expert so it could be the case. Having said that Rybakina wouldn't exactly be in a corner where some abused people that's the case the (nowhere to run) element of abuse. That's why I believe with Rybakina that can't be the case as she's got options and wouldn't be co dependent or desperate as I believe now she's probably got way more money than him. I think she's got it under control.
@Dominic-zr7cx Unfortunately, neither wealth, nor education protect people from abuse. There have been several famous cases of abuse of tennis players by coaches in the past.
she want to protect boyfriend?
I really hope the player and coach sue the heck out of the WTA. How dare them.
It is very clear now, ER has a huge obsession both romantically and physically with SV with Venus square Pluto. Plus SV has a huge ego plus idealistic mentally so when she doesn't win , it hurts him and disappointed him causing him anguish enough to shout publicly at ER. A sad situation indeed. It won't be productive at all. She needs to be encouraged and nurtured. It's hard for her to shake this as many other young ladies in society . I had 3 occasions with Venus square Pluto partners. It was elation followed by pain and frustration.
He cares about his money MAKER. His lifestyle depends on her performance.
Gossiping about this like a bunch of women, dont you have anything interesting to talk about?
The question is has Elena ever thought about where is he going to bring her . He can not make her a champion she needs to bring her side
Oh my God these are wild and dangerous allegations to be making.
witch hunts are back
When Iga's coach left during a "doping" probe no one notices and "Serve" hasn't questioned that.
First of all, this topic is about Rybakina, not Iga. Secondly, Iga's trainer left not because of the investigation into the matter of a substance that could not help her in any way in such a small amount, but because things had already stopped between them, the understanding between them was disappearing. This is quite different from having an affair with one's trainer or violence in a relationship and using a young girl for one's own purposes.
I think the WTA has overstepped here if there is no physical abuse and the player has no complaints. Pam Shriver’s heart is in the right place but if there is no violence, what can be done?
She was seen with bruises on her body and even had a black eye after losing a match. Perhaps she is acting like any victim of a violent partner and protecting him instead of walking away from him. Reportedly, her parents have come forward to the WTA claiming that he is physically harming her.
Who said there is no evidence? There is a code of conduct as well. The WTa like many businesses and organization have a social responsibility . With the "Me too Movement", sexual harassment, and other issue, the WTA cannot risk letting it go, and then down the road she or someone else is suing because protections are in place for the players and the company r organization did not care to enforce the code of conduct and create a safe, ethical, and positive environment for everyone.
Tennis is such a clown sport in its leadership
From the whining about fans lightly talking, other players “being abusive” on the court, etc
This is the softest sport ever
Defo something off with him. I’ve never seen anyone win Wimbledon and look so miserable . He’s Abusing her
Rybakina has denied these allegation countless times. Why is this being thrust onto her by people in the media when she’s denied it over and over. Its demeaning and bizarre.
Get over it…female players hook up with their coaches…you can’t designate if the male is the asshole or if the female is making up allegations. WTA is overstepping with this issue. We can’t get details in Sinners doping case in April but we feel like we have the right to know about her private life?
The problem is sexual relationship, her standing up for him. Really
Stockholm syndrome.
Yep!
You people are very weird
Who cares what you all think. She's not the only player that fires a coach then rehires them. Why are you guys belabouring this. Let it go already.
I think it's very irresponsible to talk about this situation in comparison to things like intimate partner violence unless you will/can speak about the specific alleged issues in their coach-athlete relationship. Otherwise, it leads to further speculation which seems to be what Rybakina herself is trying to avoid.
She is 25
All speculation, no substance....leave her alone,
It's her decision....Shriver should keep her nose out,
Nothing to do with her
Totally Stockholm syndrome
Brawl star repeating yourself 4 or 5 times
It seems that Vukov and Elena are a couple and are sleeping together. They probably broke up for a short time, and she had a rough time. The guy had his fun and then went back to his ex.
Journalist Glenn Greenwald makes a great analysis of the Ribakina/ Vukov situation th-cam.com/video/N82_zLDnRgc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kXot905ALYh6WNgu
This guest repeats one point 10 times. Without realizing it. I am annoyed. If you want to speak publicly please go learn about public speaking and do not waste my time.
Speaking of Roddick. USA tennis is looking good. I think Fritz wins Australia and Coco on the female side. Look out for Jack Draper this year as well. Englands best player since Perry. (Male)
I only see Fritz winning if Sinner and Alcaraz get knocked out by other players first, which may happen to one but is unlikely to happen to both. They exploit his weaknesses too much
Coco is a solid prediction imo, its gonna be her or Sablenka I think
...you all gossip about bed matters for now, but I can say one thing in the context of tennis: 1) this year a WOMAN will not be a favorite. 2) and MOST LIKELY her achievements are already behind her....
This is insane. Have you ever heard football and basketball coaches? For perspective, pls consider another analysis th-cam.com/video/N82_zLDnRgc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zDn4wh7bbZaDmfLl