China - Steam to the Gobi Desert - English • Great Railways
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- This classic documentary by Nick Lera takes us on a 1991 journey on China’s railways, the world's last great bastion of steam operation. Starting in the last standard gauge steam locomotive factory at Tangshan, where we join coal miners in their steam-hauled shuttle to the pithead, we travel from Beijing past the Great Wall of China and on through the wilds of inner Mongolia to Zhongwei on the edge of the Gobi desert. En route we enjoy a good lunch in our dining car express, and take a dramatic cab ride aboard our steam locomotive, one of China’s famous QJ class 2-10-2 locomotives. Other classic steam types featured are YJ 2-6-2 at Baotou steel works, plus JF 2-8-2 and SY 2-8-2 on branch line and mine service. A rare archive clip shows an ex-Soviet Railways FD class 2-10-2 filmed inside the great Yangtze bridge.
We conclude with double-headed heavy freights in stunning mountain scenery on the horseshoe curves beyond Zhongwei en route to China’s Far West. In all, a fascinating portrait of a now vanished era.
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The change in China in 3 decades is amazing, this documentary is a gem that captures a China of that time that along with steam trains has been disappearing.
I eventually got to China in 2004 at Christmas to meet someone very special who I have spent the evening with watching this wonderful film. Yes we went on a train up to the mountains 13 hours and looking out of the carriage in the morning saw a QJ sat in a siding. On future journeys we ventured down to the local line which is still steam hauled but mostly for the tourists these days. On one occasion we got invited to join the crew for breakfast which we enjoyed, but even having a Local Girl for a wife did not get me onto the footplate!!! David and Lily.
Well, props to China for keeping an age of Steam in mainline use for so long. The old Iron horses, from those who are permitted to make occasional mainline runs, to those on their own private lines, seeing them show the modern world a glimpse of when they were the life lines of the world.
This sweeps me back to January 1995, based in Zhongwei, at the Hotel Zhongwei, to video and photograph the line to the west. We saw train 43 go through every day, and captured many QJs heading their trains.
Electrification masts were being erected in preparation.
The whole sojourn there was hugely rewarding - both visually and aurally.
Many thanks for posting this valuable record of a lost era. Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺
Magic. The last scene is unforgettable. :-)
Wringing a tear from me at every beautiful opportunity...
What a fabulous documentary. This was filmed beautifully. Thanks for uploading it.
There is truly fascinating about the charm of steam engines,Sadly consigned to history in most parts of the world .❤❤❤
Definitely Kudos to you that you made a railway film and left politics out of it.
Wonder what a follow up film, about now, 2023, would show?
Excellent footage! Those QJs are marvelous engines. They look like something straight out of the 1940s, and the shots look like they could be used in a movie. I’m glad the Chinese know how to build and run a proper railroad. It may be dirty and outdated, but it still works as good as when it was built. It reminds me of the waning days of the American age of stean, but with Chinese scenery.
They were right in estimating most QJs would last until 2010. The last mainline use was 2005 and many industrial sites used QJs, SYs, and some JSs into the 2010s. One site, the Sandaoling coal mines, still use steam but the site will be closed by the end of 2023.
Thirty years later, China is building the biggest high-speed rail network in the world. A nation that once relied on others to build railways is now advanced enough to build them for other nations.
This was well worth watching. I see that the production year was 1996; this was the year when I travelled through China by train, and the last time I saw a service train hauled by steam was when passing through Wuhan, when a double headed freight passed by, hauled by a couple of them. The one I was on was from Guangzhou to Beijing, where we arrived at the relatively new station there. After a few days in Beijing, we did use the older main station in Beijing (shown in this movie) for the next train out, though. That one was a service from Beijing to Moscow via Mongolia. There was a bogie change at the border with Mongolia, onto Russian gauge. Diesel traction as far as Sludianka (Слюдянка), from where is was electric all the way west via various systems.
FAN- TAS- TIC!!!!!!!!! BEST REGARDS FROM ARGENTINA.46.000 KMTS. OF RAILS BUILTS BY THE ENGLANDS...!!!! BEST REGARDS FROM BUENOS AIRES.😅❤
Great video, I was born in Tangshan in the same year when this video was made. Really happy to see my city and those steam locos before I started to take photos.
How lucky you are 🌝💐👋💜😇
Thank You Nick.
Excellent work. Thank you.
Mesmerizing Presentation !! Thanks a lot !!!
Sadly couldn't hear most of the commentary. Loved the scenery and the old engines.
Cheers from Auckland, New Zealand
ja, same here, poor video making skills, but the visual portion is still interesting ...
I retrieved my childhood memories by watching the movie.Thank you.
To those who cannot understand the narration, it is because of the poor quality of the speakers built into computers and phones. I first listened to it on a computer with the built in speakers, and had the same issue. I then watched it again on a big screen connected to a stereo system, and I could understand it loud and clear, with the exception of the last part of the blowdown sequence. The train sounds are wonderful and in stereo on a stereo system.
It was OK for me watching it on an iMac with earphones attached to it.
The sound mixing is just bad. Still great video, of course.
Nick Lera productions are well rounded showing another side to the rail, great to watch
Sounds of the video are to loud from time to time so the narration can't be heard in it's full glory. Good video nevertheless
what a polite way of saying this video sucks
It's a very old video. The guy didn't create it lol, he just uploaded it. What you expect idiot
I thought the problem was with my phone.
You can enable TH-cam close captions . Touch upper right corner of screen. "CC" is display. Touch "CC".🐹
EXCELLENT production and a great subject
24:10 i love those railclack noises
Steam engines speak the same language world wide. Perfect.
Except for 3-cylinder steam locomotives. Those speak a different language.
Steam engine trains are majestic in their own way despite their negative aspects like unavoidable pollution etc. 19/10/23
What pollution not caused by other power?
A double header just thrills my heart!!
Precious and impressive video！ 🥰
Three QJ 2-10-2s are now in America, 6988, 7040 & 7081.
And a JS (8419) and 2 SYs directly made for America (142 and 3025).
Magnificent. What a treat.
Excellent!
Great video
Thanks
Interesting/informative/entertaining. Video crew/orator produced a very professional grade documentary. Allowing viewers to better understand what the orator was describing. Relaxing viewing the 🚂 train traveling thru different regions of the country.
Thanks :-) 👍 🚂
Fantastic rail therapy
The bigs Oampas crossed by raila from Atlantic Ocean to Pacific..and The Andes..!!😮🎉
Fantastisch document.
Very cool.
Good video, like .
Интересный материал! Паровозы 1-5-1 очень похожи на ФД. Все у китайцев присутствует и современные электровозы, тепловозы и паровозы, все гармонично вместе!
Скорее на ЛВ
На ЛВ больше похожи
It sound like a Trumpet 🎺 😂 26:37
Who were the guardians of old China ?? Great men indeed.😮😮
great footage-when did they finish the 4 track to the coalfields?
Some Steam Historical Footage! Well crafted and suffers from a poor audio Mix,saved by great views Bravo
Nice videos
The unique sounds and scene of the steam engines are wonderful!
These steam engines was still in operation during 2001 in north eastern china.
Bravo.....be funny to see steam to electric on train......cheers......love the steam........cheers
Interesting.
Very interesting video. The background audio was so loud it mostly drowned out the speaker. Many interesting points were left unheard. 😢
直到20世纪末，中国始终是世界上蒸汽机车保有量和运用量第一的国家，在集通、包西等铁路次干线以及鸡西、阜新、兖州、平顶山等煤矿，蒸汽机车依然是那里铁路运输的主力。然而仅仅过了二十年，蒸汽机车就近乎彻底退出了历史舞台，许多机车退役后任其荒废，或被当作废铁贱卖。如今除了黑龙江大安、沈阳以及北京，全中国静态保存下来且处于待运用状态的蒸汽机车已不足100台。
很多人惊叹于中国的发展速度，可作为一个中国人，我觉得这样的速度是很可怕的。何况我们几代人受过的义务教育，都贯彻了社会达尔文主义思想。“落后就要被淘汰”，无论对于人或者事物，一旦当他们无法创造更高价值的时候，便会被遗忘和抛弃。这也是为何中国的铁路文化远远落后于邻国日本以及欧美澳洲的重要原因，因为在大多数人眼中，那些承载着几代人回忆退役的机车，不过是被淘汰的废铁罢了。
感谢你们为我们留下了这些珍贵的影像资料！
A steam locomotive, like a locomotive, is a monument to the genius of mankind, which made the steam not only lift the lid of a saucepan, but also move multi-ton trains. Aesthetically, the locomotive wins over its soulless descendants - it is alive, warm, it breathes, sighs as it moves. Driving a steam locomotive is akin to an art; there are too many factors to consider.
How much benefit has a steam locomotive brought to humanity? What about China? Look where the steam locomotive took the economy of the Middle Kingdom, it is thanks to it that modern high-speed trains now fly. And this is not one train, but a whole network connecting all provinces into a single organism. The locomotive should not remain only in pictures,
he must live and inspire people to new achievements. And we see what a liberated people can achieve in the example of a revived China, which has always been an empire and an example for the West. After all, when there were kingdoms in China, giant cities were built,
savages in Europe and America made porcelain and made gunpowder rockets, killed wild animals with sticks and lived in holes and caves. All the best to the Chinese people, with love from Russia.
蒸汽机车就像机车一样，是人类天才的纪念碑，它使蒸汽不仅能掀起锅盖，还能移动多吨的火车。从美学上来说，机车赢得了它那些没有灵魂的后代的青睐--它是有生命的、温暖的、它在移动时呼吸、叹息。驾驶蒸汽机车就像一门艺术；需要考虑的因素太多。
蒸汽机车给人类带来了多少好处？那么中国呢？看看蒸汽机车对中国经济的影响，现代高速列车现在才得以飞翔。这不是一列火车，而是将所有省份连接成一个有机体的整个网络。机车不应该仅仅停留在照片中，
他必须活着并激励人们取得新的成就。我们以复兴的中国为榜样，看到解放的人民能够取得什么成就，中国一直是一个帝国，也是西方的榜样。毕竟，当中国有王国的时候，建造了巨大的城市，
欧美的野蛮人制造瓷器、制造火药火箭、用棍棒捕杀野生动物、住在洞里和山洞里。带着来自俄罗斯的爱，祝中国人民一切顺利。
China Railways QJ Class Locomotive 6800 Iron Bull
1:00 [train whistle] 47:03 [train whistle]
Another China steam video: th-cam.com/video/VXlfP1WHH4k/w-d-xo.html
I'm intrigued by the pipe emitting steam near the rear end of the cab. Is it from a mechanical stoker or a booster?>
Great film. Great Engines. At real Work.
Thank you for sharing. Very interested about technical details of these machines. "D" driven wheels? "D" cylinders? kW (horse power)?Any suggested sources?
Please.
those old style green passenger cars in China still exist today with modern interior, some how I really want to try the NK railway as they still have those passenger cars with the same old interior.
A Brief History of Transformation of Railways in China. Possesses a certain historical value undoubtedly.
1:32 it reminds me something else bach home in india.
37:30 rare view of QJ with leaking cylinders😢
26:37 that horn squeak 😂
怀念那个年代啊，现在能见到一辆比中大奖还难
Nice editing. Brings back memories of several trips there. Narrator should learn to pronounce place names from a native speaker.
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Hello when was this filmed please.👍
in the mid-90s. Today as far as i konw there are almost no steam engines more in use since China undertook massive modernization in the last 20 years
I was surprised when China & India, for that matter, switched to diesel locomotives. Both nations were so well established in steam power.
Sorry but I smell a clear RACIAL tinge to your comment.
DESPITE China and india having "gazillions of impoverished coolies" operations of rails *IS STILL SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF ECONOMICS and BOTH China and india HAD to abide BY THOSE RULES OF ECONOMICS.....*
Thus despite YOU RACIALLY TINGED STATEMENT, AND DESPITE BOTH China and india having those "gazillions of coolies", *THE MASSIVE ECONOMIC EFFICIENCIES OF GOING DIESEL OR ELECTRIC FAR OUTWEIGHED THE EXTREME ECONOMIC INEFFICIENCIES OF STEAM........ EVEN WITH THOSE "gazillion coolies" AVAILABLE......*
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Good 👍 German subtitles would be nice.
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what are this side shields on the front of the locomotives for?
Those are smoke defectors. Makes the wind get under the smoke stack & push smoke up away from crew.
Smoke deflectors.saves crew from smoke
It is a fascinating look at Chinas bygone era of the steam railway; hower, the audio balance between the narration and the original footage is quite poor; having a difficult time hearing what the narrator is saying. I wonder if there is a fix for this?😮😊.
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You have assembled a superb collection of Chinese steam. I would like to hear more of the under lyinf commentary. 40:01 40:03
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They need to fit a DPF to these trains LOL
Cuba still uses steam !
Are these steam trains still functioning in Mongolia ?
Unfortunately, no. They have been removed from service, with only a handful left in preservation. I’m certain that there are more in industrial and occasional freight service. However, only the handful in preservation are guaranteed to survive.
你为什么不用BP机？
I wonder if those Chinese engineers miss their steam engines today, or just turned the page on them?😢
Gotta love that coal!
Свого часу ФД в кількості 1000 шт СССР передав КНР бо ФД були збудовані під європейський габарит і легко перемонтовувалися на колію 1435 мм. По суті це були американські паровози типу 1-5-1 світської побудови
31:16 快门一按 行车中断 造成事故 移交法办😂
Wasn’t China on track to be completely dieselized by 2014?
this film was made in 1996
Can’t imaging 30 year still manufacturing stream locomotive. But they manufacturing ICE3 in 10 year ago. There is a huge difference.
Crucial info from 43:07 by the narrator about the reason why high pressure steam is released is lost due to the overwhelming noise of the steam gushing out👎👎👎
Fascinating video! Unfortunately, I found much of audio unintelligible. And the pronunciation of Chinese place names not well researched..... I've traveled over most of China by train since 2004 but never had the pleasure of being transported by steam. And i've had so many wonderful experiences on the trains -- Chinese people are very curious and generally quite friendly to old foreign travelers like me. MOst recently by the fabulous CRH high speed train from Hong Kong to Zhengzhou -- ~6 h at 300-340 kph. I'm going back next spring (2024).
The VAST majority of MAINLINE steam locos in China was dumped by the late 1990s/early 2000s with a few mainline steamers in the "hinterlands" of Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang and a couple in Heilingjiang "hanging on" till 2005.
So unless you made it to those place.......
Nothing wrong with chineese engineering, their boiler code is as good as ours and is backed by a steel bullet as well if one makes a mistake
The audio in this video is total crap!!!
It seems archaic, but I think it's a very wise move on the side of the Chinese to keep the steam traction running. From the side of strategic energy security. If China finds itself in a large conflict, naval blockade or oil supply disruption (eg. blockage of the Hormuz straight), the steam and electric traction will keep the railway infrastructure running and thus provide necessary diversification.
_"I think it's a very wise move on the side of the Chinese to keep the steam traction running"_
YOU have an EXTREMELY OUTDATED comprehension of what China is LIKE IN 2023 and presumably THIS 1991 video represents what YOU THINK China is like PRESENTLY: *THERE HAVE BEEN NO STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OPERATING ON THE MAINLINES IN CHINA FOR 2 DECADES NOW.*
*THIS is the reality of China IN 2024:* th-cam.com/video/OIyXRjRPNh4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Trainfan
th-cam.com/video/9z3JIhQFrXM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ATrainDepot
th-cam.com/video/x7kUU_nLz5Q/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ATrainDepot
China Railways was already phasing into diesels when THIS video was taken and CR had mostly phased out the steam locos in the late 1990s with the last mainline steamer ending in the early 2000s.
In the latter 2000s/early 2010s, CR began to roll out the electric locomotives like as seen above. The electric locos that CR rolled out have a power of 10,000 to 13,000 HP which make them among the most powerful locomotives of any kind in the world. The "new" electric locos replaced diesel locos AND complemented other electric locos that were introduced in the 1990s.
TODAY in 2024, the VAST majority of non-high speed trains in China are hauled by those 10,000 - 13,000 HP electric locomotives. Probably 70% of non high speed trains are pulled by electric locomotives and the remainder pulled by diesel locos: and those diesels are mostly operated in "hinterlands" where the lines have not bee electrified YET.
You know this film is from the 90's? There is no more steam traction on China mainlines.
人々の格好や服装、建物など39年前黒竜江省に仕事で滞在していた時の雰囲気です、ある意味中国が良かった時代。
kömür yerine,neden lpg yada fuel-oil kullanılmıyor.. ne zaman buharlı lokomotif görsem aklıma hep bu geliyor.
_"Why isn't LPG or fuel oil used instead of coal?"_
Well for starters, you should be using PAST TENSE as in: instead of "isn't", *YOU SHOULD'VE used "didn't" as these videos/images were taken IN 1991..... *
*What I surmise is that YOU have an EXTREMELY OUTDATED comprehension of what China is LIKE IN 2023 and presumably THIS 1991 video represents what YOU THINK China is like PRESENTLY........*
*THIS is the reality of China IN 2023:* th-cam.com/video/OIyXRjRPNh4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Trainfan
th-cam.com/video/9z3JIhQFrXM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ATrainDepot
th-cam.com/video/x7kUU_nLz5Q/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ATrainDepot
China Railways was already phasing into diesels when THIS video was taken and CR had mostly phased out the steam locos in the late 1990s with the last mainline steamer ending in the early 2000s.
In the latter 2000s/early 2010s, CR began to roll out the electric locomotives like as seen above. The electric locos that CR rolled out have a power of 10,000 to 13,000 HP which make them among the most powerful locomotives of any kind in the world. The "new" electric locos replaced diesel locos AND complemented other electric locos that were introduced in the 1990s.
TODAY in 2024, the VAST majority of non-high speed trains in China are hauled by those 10,000 - 13,000 HP electric locomotives. Probably 70% of non high speed trains are pulled by electric locomotives and the remainder pulled by diesel locos.
*Steam locomotives ARE LONG GONE IN CHINA FOR NEARLY 2 DECADES NOW.*
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