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y’all yes I know vaccine isn’t a cure but it wouldn’t make that much sense if she said “you have a vaccine and people don’t want it” considering vaccines weren’t in widespread use back in 1890 so probably indeed not many of them would want it 👀
yeah but if you called it a cure theyd probably take it, patent medicine was all the rage, just say it has laudanum in it. but yeah....what have we fixed? some things I guess, not enough things
She makes me feel so phoney since my Long Covid probably won't kill me like Consumption, but I'm still languishing here, all fashionably pallid and sickly. Help! I'm a fake languisher!
Last time I visited my grandma she told me about her sister that died from typhus. Yes, she always talks about fun things like that, she´s my personal memento mori
@@DashieDeThat's just not true... Being middle class today is living a purposeless life where you're stuck in a cycle work, eat, shit, sleep. It's why so many people are depressed nowadays. Being super rich in the 19th century is so much better
the one thing about most of the depictions of historic people is they generally depict the lives of the rich ! I would love to see a conversation between a 21st woman and a 1890s polish mining coal town woman .
And which 21st century woman? There are still very poor coal mining towns, and if you mean that demographic, I think they could find quite a lot in common, if you mean a typical urbanite woman, it would be completely unrelatable.
@@margaretqueenofscots9450 I meant women who are part of a family that derive 80% or more from wages earned in the direct extraction of coal ( not managers, owners , speculators , or people involved in various ancillary industries ) .
@Diego Charles disgusting. In the very olden days stealing a kid was as punished as most other serve crimes, like murder, but even that was somewhat more understandable as that pig could have been the whole households meal to survive on
@@emilywyatt9340 I think, you be wrong to think that, once they are told most jails are filled from single parent homes, teenage out of wedlock pregnancies, women taking anti-depresant drugs 10 times more than men, gender lines are blured but men can play in women sports, etc, etc, and etc.
@@emilywyatt9340The biggest misconception is that all women even wanted to vote. Most women were against it because the vote was always seen as a "family vote". Women have destroyed the idea of family for real 😢
wait, what about pants with pockets that have a single bar tack stitch in the middle to ensure you cant use them? Seriously, what supervillain came up with that bs?
@@nosknosk9693 I believe (though could easily be wrong) that those stitches are ment to keep the garment in place during shipping and protection. You'll find them in vests, and the inner pockets of dress jackets as well.
@@rabbit__ You're right. Any well made item of clothing will have those stitches. I got fed up of buying cheap jackets that didn't last long, saved up and bought a couple of really good equality well made ones and all the pockets were lightly tacked all the way across to prevent them catching on anything in transit and to meet their shape. They also came with spare buttons and a piece of fabric for any possible future repairs.
To be fair. If you had a victorian mansion in the early 20th century, your modern counterpart would probably have inherited land and a business from Daddy.
Honestly, every time I read a historical source I’m surprised how many job opportunities there were for us, even before the 20th century. I kinda get the impression that “women have to stay in the home and raise children” was more of an upper class idea. Plenty of women, especially in the middle and lower classes, were journalists, authors, nurses, small business owners, laborers, etc.
A large part of the myth of the past being completely awful is to make the 21st century seem better. To make it seem like we've progressed a lot more than we actually did. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example
But wouldn't there still have been incredible pushback against those women joining those professions? Except for maybe seamstresses and other traditionally feminine jobs where it was considered women's work (also in addition to laborers/factory workers). And female authors regularly used pseudonyms so as not to give away the fact that they were women. And I can hazard a guess that if they wanted to be a doctor rather than a nurse, they would've gotten laughed off all the way into next Tuesday. I get what you're saying though, and not disagreeing that some women did hold those jobs. I just can't imagine it would've been easy. Or were standards for middle and lower class women different when it came to work? (Besides the obvious bc I know lower class women have always worked outside the home.) What I mean is does anyone know if the prevailing attitude was "oh, it's fine if _those_ women work" or was it more "no woman should be doing that kind of work period (unless it's traditionally feminine work) but they are, so whatever"?
I remember hearing that women who had families who also worked (I think in the Edwardian era but don’t quote me) would have a later start time than women who didn’t have families because society knew how important women were to have a functioning household.
The stay at home wife in the general population is a ideal from the last century, as people got more afluent it was a sign of weatlh. Just one person did need to work basically
@@escah9150 the unmarried, yes. Unemployed, my student loan repayments are starting again and I have no idea how to defer them. Also my mom's bugs the shit out of me everyday about who I applied to and if the called back
The right to own property independently, the right to custody of our children after divorce, Public information about how the female health works, tons of stuff that we shouldn't take for granted just because the goal post for equality is ever-moving.
The first part sounds like she’s a TH-camr apologizing 😭 While the 1890’s one is just really roasting the crap out of her- Slay her queen, slay with facts 😭😭
@@InvisiblerApple oh definitely, and tbf i love this bit she made, but it certainly is charry picking the best experiences from the 1890s european imperialism.
More like incompetence or just shows lack of motivation anyways this just proves that 1 barack obama is Supreme for being black and president after 130 years blacks did more than suburban women angery at their tired husband's opresive patriarchal hierarchical system 👨🦼 2 wamen are ungrateful for how good the system plays for them is honesty sad when you think about it pink tax my ass
@@heliogonzalez2663 hi why do you think that? Abortion being illegal or very restricted, different payment for different genders, inequality in political representation, there is not enough support for working women with children, a lot of women are the only one taking care of their children, also prostitution and child marriage are mostly affecting women, domestic and sexual violence too, double moral standards benefiting men, menstrual poverty, etc. All of these things are in fact part of the political, social and economical system we live in. And disclaimer: I am not saying that life is easy for men. But there is inequality between genders and this inequality benefits men, not women. (And I didnt even mention the specific problems of sexism + other opressions, like racism, ableism, lesbophobia, transphobia...) So yeah, I would like to know what is your view on this.
In the past century, Women got the right to inherit property, then the right to do their own banking(own things separately from their husband), then the right to custody of their children after divorce, then the right to "no-fault divorce" (proof of infidelity or abuse used to be required for a court to allow a divorce, which is hard to collect, so women were stuck even when husband WAS abusive), and although it's sometimes blocked: the healthcare system can tell them how their bodies actually work, they have the legal right to equal pay, and have the federal right to reproductive choices. Just because our standards of freedom are higher now doesn't mean we haven't had tons of progress 💛
This was so good: literally preach! that line “what have you fixed?” Is such an eye opener. Like our society spends so much time pitying the past and talking about how everything is so much better when we should really be more focused on fixing obvious problems
And we pity a fake past to make ourselves seem more progressive than we actually are. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Yea, you can blame the plague for making people afraid of bathing in water. But even then, people still used soap and linen cloths to clean themselves, not to mention people regularly changed undergarments.
@@peggedyourdad9560 Medieval peasant (il)literacy comes from a very simple misunderstanding. "Literacy" meant you read and wrote "the proper civilized latin language". When records say "peasants weren't literate" it just means they didn't read or write latin, they could absolutely write and read their own language. The further back you go the more you realize how not advanced we are. Most cultures had telescopes and understanding of the solar system, the earliest plastic operations were done by an indian surgeon in 600 BC. They had eye lens operations. Rome had indoor plumbing and internally heated buildings. But then Rome and europe in general kinda exploded and the plague happened and a lot of stuff was just forgotten. Or the loss of great civilizations or great libraries, so much knowledge lost. A lot of stuff is not being learned, but re-learned again.
Comparing the status of the average woman nowdays with an upper class woman would obviously not compare too well. I doubt the average woman back then could spend her time in the comfort of her home with her books. Also the adjusted wage gap (accounting for education/experience/hours worked/same occupation etc) is only 5% now. That's nearly fixed. If we could get "women jobs" (Nursing, teaching etc, which has more women) pay better tho, that'd be great, but that's more an economic issue than a feminist one I think. Men working "dirtier" and riskier jobs (on average, than woman) naturally should have decent pay as compensation, as well as STEM jobs that have more men in them based on personal choice, are simply more profitable, leading to an unadjusted pay gap.
@@FirsToStrike that's BS because when women move to STEM careers, adjusted for education and experience, they still get paid less. So is not all "personal choice"
At least a husband cannot put their wife in an insane asylum for disobeying him. Women in the 21st century can hold property and bank accounts in her OWN name, can vote, run for office. Something a 19th century woman could've never ever done. Women of age are legally recognized as adults in a lot countries, something no woman in the 19th century had. Im surprised this 19th century woman is still alive and not dead from delivering one of her 5 kids.
when my great grandmother reached an age where she had trouble getting around, my mother suggested it might be easier if she wore pants, she answered in an offended or disgusted tone, "I've never had on a pair of pants in my life!"
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 why you say them "Lesbian". They are literally just BESTie goals. There is nothings wrong with sleeping in the same bed and hugging each other while kissing. right?
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 and that past WAS awful, precisely because there were gay people and they had to hide because any clear implication of their involvement with a same-sex partner would result in ostracizing and violence.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 being gay in the 1890s wasnt really that idyllic though. Many gay couples lived like this, but usually ones that had some money. If you didnt have any money and you lived like this... you were most likely ostracised by the community
Guys, she knows that most people actually had kind of/totally shitty lives back then, this was meant to have a funny and unexpected twist, not the most likely response.
I guess but wage gap is questionable since many say it’s not a thing no more and people who bring it up leave out details such as specifications of job such as men dominating stem science and stuff, men work more over time and so on. They argue there point with vague information. What I will give them is that there most likely SOME men who look down at woman in work place and not give them promotion if there qualified over a man. At same time there woman who easily climbed the latter using there bodies.
She needs to work on her delivery because it wasn’t funny. She took the stereotype of millennials which isn’t accurate and compared it to an upperclass woman from the past. It’s not even remotely the same. She could have done a much better job if she had compared say a barmaid from the past and a waitress now. But she took the wrong route.
@Theone Wolf I have no problem of talking to people of other generations and finds things funny that are. Making fun of different generations is not my idea of funny. But if you do, more power to you.
Good thing for those 6 guys, who don't have to commit, but get to drop the load and run. Feminism was a win for the top 10% of men... and a massive loss for women who lost agency in their own love lives but gained an abusive boss that doesn't give a shit about them.
The "six lovers" thing wasn't necessarily brought up as something to envy, but as a rebuttal to the common belief that everyone was a total prude in Victorian times. Showing that, yes, it was totally possible to sleep around back in those days.
"It's been 130 years, what *have* you fixed?!" 😂 Ngl I'm always very jealous of the wooden libraries. In seriousness, this is one of the best arguments I've ever seen for things like quotas... Yes, we could campaign for gradual improvement, but when it takes over a century....
I have a 100-year-old house with a wooden library. It's everything it sounds like (with ladder and all). We also live without AC in TX like 100 years ago. It's also everything it sounds like 🙃
@@growingthehome that's amazing! Well, the library, rip for the air con though. I live in England and I'm starting to feel like we need air con with the warm summers... I can't imagine going without it in Texas!
These stats are so skewed by ultra feminists by pooling less important jobs in with important jobs. You are right and a lot of women actually make more than their male counterparts in the same field.
@@Chels-fz5uqAs a therapist that’s also been in relationships with women in numerous different highly respected professions, yes, they did in fact get paid the same. Using the “you’re not a women, so you can’t make a counter argument on this” strategy, has the weakest foundation to stand on. This is a topic that has been done to death, and heavily misinterpreted.
This is definitely the flip side of people romanticizing certain aspects of the past and saying things were so much better back then and how today sucks. I think we can all agree that we've definitely got some things that are better in modern times but in so many ways, it's still the same and we've still got a LONG way to go. Which I get is pretty much the point of the video, so.
Yeah! I think so too. But also, she is showing a whealthy person. I get things were not as bad or as nightmarish as we use to imagine, but the truth is that most victorian women(and people in general) had to work sixteen hours a day with little payment (kinda haha). So, it actually was not as romantic as I feel she constantly tries to make it look. On the other hand, you are right, we def still have a long way to go and this video shows!
@@luquetmora1810 Oh, I totally get that this is a wealthy person! I'm actually someone who thinks that okay, so maybe not everything was as bad as we thought back then (for a rich person) but like, y'all...we still have it SO much better these days. Haters, don't come at me bc I'm a fan of Karolina too, but it did kinda rub me the wrong way how this video in turn romanticized the past and made us modern folks seem silly for pointing out the lack of rights/privileges back then, which is objectively true. Not like today is perfect, but I'd still rather live today than back then.
@@buckplug2423 you are right, our generation is no longer in need of having kids, in those times they were kinda obligated because of the death rates. I mean... 🙄
My response to anyone that says that is give me a time period, where things were so ‘great’ what they actually mean is that. Their was a period to me I’d say (90s/00s) were their was a myth of ‘post-feminism’ the idea that sexism wasn’t that bad and Feminism wasn’t needed. To the point we’re being ‘sexist’ saying awful things about women was normalised in the media. Look at old interviews, how they sexualised celebrity women don’t even get me started with the movies especially in the 00s. Everything was seen as ‘joke’ and not serious now that people are beginning (I don’t literally mean that) to question many things, people now say ‘everybody is so sensitive today’. When it’s not case, people have always been sensitive is just that you can longer get away with your ‘Jokes’ just an observation I’ve made.
Sadly not true. I’m in my forties. Have a house and a good job. But I’m single, and constantly feel I’m a burden on my parents and I’m also shunned by society for the crime of no one wanting to be with me. It’s like being punished for multiple things at the same time, but I still don’t know what I did wrong.
@@dees3179 it’s not your fault. Just because your single it does not mean you need to be ostracized . Maybe you are from a conservative country. Because in the west I have lots of single and gay friends that don’t really care about kids and even though someone judges them it does not mean all of society ostracized them. You will still have friends . Maybe your family just are too old school and that is bad . No one should be judged because they are single .
@@Orynae I know a lot of friends still on their parents basement but still they don’t care it’s their choice . They still have food shelter and whatever makes them happy. Though I don’t recommend this lifestyle. I m glad they are happy and not being killed or ostracized like back in the days
This is funny, but not totally fair to be comparing a wealthy person from one time period to a middle class person from another. There are still people with maids and wooden libraries today.
An unmarried woman in 1890 would certainly be living at home with her parents and if she was unmarried AND had a job that would only make things worse in the eyes of the society she kept, not better. Like, please, it's bad enough that you're unmarried at 27, at least don't embarrass us with a vulgar JOB. Instead of playing Among Us with her Facebook friends, she would be playing whist with her friends from her lady's club.
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 yeah, it's better because it actually stops bad shit from happening instead of decreasing the chance of getting completely fucked up by the illness that's already wrecking your body but only if you live in a country with free and actually working healthcare or are rich. Like, when the polio vaccine was created people were pretty much fighting each other in order to get it first and there is a reason for that
I was once told by the curator of a historic castle that the medical professionals of the middle ages would be horrified that we haven't cured cancer by now. They were a lot more forward thinking than they are given credit for. I was thinking about medieval hospitals with their large rooms and high ceilings to aid air flow and pig skin roofs to let light in the last time I was in a small, stifling and windowless hospital ward.
@@Danuxsy We may have all those things, but if the hospital doesn't feel comfortable to be in, and the one I was in certainly didn't, that affects a patient's well being. That was the point I was making. The medieval medics may not have had the technology we have, but they understood the benefits of a comfortable environment on patients. Hospital acquired infections are a much bigger problem now than when I was young. That's why people are sent home as quickly as possible after surgery. Until the last 20 years or so, large well ventilated wards with big windows were the norm. Now we rely on extra levels of technology to do what simple ergonomics used to. Some hospitals are using UV to "clean" operating rooms. Not because it is more efficient, but because it is cheaper than employing and properly training a human cleaner. UV can only kill germs that are not in shadow. Technology is not infallible and is often used to save money rather to improve patient care.
Are you nuts? In medieval you wouldnt even have any painkiller or even a sanitaser, instead you wounds would be cured with hot oil and highly likely you would die from pain shock. Not even speaking about horribly dirty water (bc they didn't have any running water system and wc, you know, so everything went down rivers) and absence of basic understanding of hygiene. Back then a simple infection in your cut finger could mean death. If only all people with ideas like you could go back to times they think were better and try to actually live there.
Isn't it only the rich that can eat with sugar and much salt? (Sorry i don't really know about the time period) Meditteranean diet is still around today helping people with diabetes and providing healthy teeth
Men and women are required by law in the West to be paid the same wage for (starting) hourly work and (starting) salaries. Women choose to work less and work in less lucrative fields than men, are generally less ambitious in the workforce and so don't get promoted as often, and may eventually leave the workforce to have families, so of course women are going to still make less money than men. What's wrong with that, with women having free choices and engaging openly in a meritocratic system of free enterprise? Do you want them to be forced into the factories etc. so they can make the same amount of money as men? Of course, the governments of the West have come up with the opposite idea, steal from productive men (excessive taxes, welfare, unjust family court laws etc.) and "redistribute" the money to less productive, sometimes lazy women and call their theft "equity" or "equality".
As an 27yo unmarried and unemployed woman who also plays among us with my friends more than I should, I have to say I feel very attacked right now, haha...
Right there with you. Damned if you do damned if you don't the goal of the enemy is to tear down their wife she can't really win either way because his ego and pride effects his decision making so I'm not sure how they considered themselves superior just for having muscles. The brain and intuition is a more powerful tool then his mouth and without women there would be no man. It would just be a planet of nothing ness.
Upper class Victorian woman: I'm just sitting here in my beautiful Victorian mansion while my maid helps me put a silk tea gown on Lower class Victorian woman: Am I a joke to you?
No, that is absolutely not true......if I am maid or others ,some of them have a great relationship with their employer - or female master/owner of the house ,it was not always bad to live in someone's 🏠. being a servant.
1890: Well… at least the judgments of female beauty were drop, and now society stopped caring how woman look. 2021: …… 1890: totally unrelated, whats Tiktok?
I'd say it did in fact increase... In the past, most of the silhouette and female beauty standards were related to the figure of her dress and how they fashioned their hair accordingly, nowadays it's a lot more strict in relation to body type and to having the lastest piece of fashionable clothing that's mass produced and is going to be considered unfashionable in one year or two.
@@user-df8hl4zx2l Agreed- like you said, it used to be possible to 'meet the standard' via altering your clothing but nowadays we have to change our actual bodies or even have surgery to meet it. :/
@@user-df8hl4zx2l I mean, nowadays, being shunned and mocked because you don't look like a supermodel or 'like everyone else' is generally not the case. Sure, you might look kinda lame if you go out in nothing but a T-shirt, bermudas and crocs, but it's nothing that would get you weird looks for
@@364-unbirthdays8 Uhhh yeah no. When I was a teenager my mother shamed me because I was 10 lbs heavier than her underweight ass, and then a few years later I ACTUALLY gained a bunch of weight due to a hormone disorder. You're only not shunned or mocked if you're skinny. God forbid you be fat.
@@jorenvanderark3567 a whole country is all up in arms about hymen reconstructive surgery, in another country a teenager was boiled to death by her father because she refused a marriage, women islamic countries are considered half a man, homosexuality is illegal in 70 countries, znd we all how alive and well racism is and slavery is alive and well .. So yeah..
@@borednerd2100 I didn’t I’m speaking for myself the story is probably pretty similar where you’re from too if you live in Europe, Oceania, Asia, or almost any first world country.
@@lxtatar7773 it's the same structure as another popular joke, "some of you never _ and it shows" meaning you obviously never seen some shit or been around the block
The vaccines then would be call monoclonal antibodies today. We are not using the same thing they were back then. And Typhus was treated by curtain corrupt company like are modern day crisis was.
"My Victorian mansion and my maids" My ancestors to me : "My husband and three sons working in a coal mine, all dying from silicosis before turning 50, my alcohol addiction (weird hands as a legacy), my six home births alone (with the other kids around) and tuberculosis." Social unfairness was a thing back then like nowadays but at least being a woman or a man was making no difference in terms of difficult living conditions. Otherwise the elite was very sexist and mysoginistic because they had the time and the money. But she would definitely say to me : "Now stop whining and be a woman !"
That’s true . This lady she is representing is rich z she should make a proper comparison like a poor working class woman in 1890 . Because life back then according to my grandmother is very bad. This Victorian lady is just overly rich it’s UNRELATABLE
@@njrom2975 both are overtly rich. Do u have any idea how rich u have to be for u to be 27, unemployed, and living in ur parents basement and they’re just completely fine with it? Some people experience the smallest amount of struggle/stress and act like the world is ending
@@bigjoe1103 Wtf. I'm 24, unemployed because I can't find a job in my poor country, I still live with my parents, study and still have time to play some random games or watch some random videos on TH-cam. That doesn't mean I'm rich. My parents work a lot to bring the money and support me with my studies, we live in a small ass house in a poor neighborhood and struggle to pay the bills so... No. Being 20+ and unemployed doesn't mean you have money enough.
@@pirouettee idk anything about u or ur country, so i doubt what I said applies to u. But here in the u.s., and specifically Southern California where I live, almost every women that I’ve met, over 20 and under 20, had a victim mentality and act like the worlds against them and have never worried about paying the bills or trying to make time to relax cuz all they do is relax and occasionally protest movements they don’t understand. Best of luck to u on ur studies
Why are people getting so upset, this video is a joke not commentary on society. If this was a political commentator making a point on how the past was better than the present then I'd probably get pissed but this is literally a dress making TH-camr
To be fair, the wage gap the way she described it has been fixed for decades, anything else is illegal. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen anymore just that it's not condoned by the state or society. The wage gap that still exists is when not correcting for occupation, hours worked, not working for extended periods of time etc. so it mostly comes down to different opportunities men and women have and also individual choices they make or are forced to make, like child rearing.
There is no wage gap, there is an earnings gap based on hours worked, etc The entire mythos is built around comparing all men's jobs, to all women's jobs...so if you have 100 aeronautical engineers and 5 are women all earning $180,000 a year, and compare to 100 hair dressers where 5 are men, all earning $40,000 then all of a sudden it looks like this huge gender paygap...it's not real
Yeah we get to work out of the home, struggle financially, raise kids, are expected to look our best, have our bodies come in and out of fashion, keep the house neat, etc….sounds like a dream! /s don’t even get me started on the black woman experience! 😅
@@dakotamabry1645 Yep, except worse as being poor is in no way exclusive to white people, so it is possible (and due to systemic racism that affects pay in a similar way as sexism) even more common to suffer from poverty and racism at he same time. Kind of like having covid and the flu, also in the sense that there are plenty of people pretending one or both of those do not exist.
@@dakotamabry1645 As a poor white woman, I don't have to deal with racism so no, not about the same. If there were a version of me whose life was identical to mine in every single way except that I was black- that version of me would have a more difficult experience because she'd have to deal with all the terrible things I've had to in my life... plus deal with racism on top of all that.
@@vadalia3860 I'm also a poor white woman I dealt with sexism and racism.. kinda sick of white people projecting black problems as if they dont go through the same crap every one else does .. tired of people telling black children that because they aren't " privileged " what ever that means they will never have the quality of life that everyone else has .. guess what I've met plenty of black families living more successful lifes then I have and with better paid positions.. I've also been harrassed and threaten by cops who overstepped their bounds.. the black, Korean and Hispanics at my school were treated the same and had no problems fitting in .. I can get along with everyone and treat them like a normal person and not feel sorry for them - that's not an accomplishment its common decency . I'm sure If i was black nothing would piss me off more then some random strangers automatically pitty me and assume i was poor and not smart enough to accomplish anything on my own . Get off your high horse
What have you fixed? Um a lot pf things 1. Inheritance 2. Attend universities ( some females were not allowed to) 3. Right to vote 4. Choice not to have chikdren regardless whether we are homemakers or breadwinners 5. Enlarging scope of rape( include family members, increasing age of consent)
Actually the wage gap is fixed. Men had to attract ladies and support families back then. If you were a working lady, you weren't exactly at home, back then, when being a mom was LITERALLY a full time job. Today, men work sick days, more overtime, just ask for raises, and work more dangerous jobs. Giving the illusion of the wage gap.
This was my daydream/make believe scenario when I was a little girl. I loved books like Little Women and Little House on the Prairie series, I always imagined bringing one of the characters to my current time and showing them my Gameboy color lol
Yeah, but let’s be honest here for a moment - how many women actually got to live in such luxury at the time, because most of the world definitely didn’t relax in their own beautiful wooden libraries…
Man, who would have guessed that being part of the richest 1% gives you privileges that even people of a less marginalized group don’t have when they are poor? It’s almost like humans have always appreciated money more than people or something.
I find it funny since a lot of people do look back at the past with pity. Would also love the reverse, someone who romanticised it only to get cold hard reality. I love the twist of the modern woman getting all upset pitying her, only for her to turn it back on her, to get off her high horse, insinuating that she must have a terrible life because of the time period. But I also understand that what she is saying would have a different effect if it was someone of different class or area.
I get what shes saying but it really is still "problematic". Considering she understands how social media works and is intelligent, she knows doing this that most people won't really 'get it' and continue to simply romanticize the era. Many if not most wealthy women weren't all that 'happy'. Money and being part of that social class was a pain it itself. Having 6 lovers for 99 percent of women just wasn't a thing. A courtesan in Paris sure but not a woman who could move around in society all that freely. The whole thing is kinda messy.
My best friend in high school romanticised the 1850s. I think she just loved the dresses, but didn't really think about the practicalities of taking a crap in a chamber pot stored under your bed.
@@caravanlifenz indoor plumbing came into use around that time, so she might not have had to use the chamber pot. But you are basically right, only really rich had that benefit at first. So for 99.9% of the people it was the chamber pot, or the outhouse. Heck, my ex wife's grandma is old enough that she had to use an outhouse when she was little!
People in 1890: "in the future we will have flying cars, and we will also conquer space." People in 2024: "I believe the garden of Eden was a real place and definitely not fictional."
Given that each household would've had several servants but only one mistress, that's almost certainly true. Though I'd also argue that a lot of the people doing the wailing over the past have rich enough lives that they're in the upwards categories of society even if they're not in the United States' 1%. So the kind of person represented in this video is not gonna be in the lower-level service industry, I don't think. (Not sure where a maid of a fancy mansion fits with regard to service-industry tiers.)
Where I live salaries are monthly and are the same for both in same profession almost irrespective of experience and work hours in other words there is no gap over here. Also judging from accumulated data and studies there actually isn't a gap when work hours and negotiations are involved (for an hourly wage type of job). People tend to forget job types and all the above and just argue about something that isn't actually real Its sad really.
@@auraawasneverthere In Australia, from anytime after June 1969 after the equal pay for equal work became legal. If you're still living in a country where your male coworkers who have the same experience, training and hours as you are working are taking home more money, I suggest you move elsewhere. Most Western countries have had equal pay for decades now, so you have plenty of options.
Well, it's not exactly fair to compare an upper class woman with a mansion and maid to a middle class person. There _are_ still filthy rich mansion people nowadays too, and there were dirt poor people back then. However, the 1890s lady had so many good points XD
Love how everytime ppl wanna talk about the oppression of women during the 19th century, they always focus exclusively on middle to higher class white women instead of black women, who were actually suffering during the era
Yeah I didn't get the point of these video. Obviously there are many things we should improve on but you can just make it seem like we didn't progress in a century bc there were some rich people back then living in luxury
Karolina is Polish. She is talking about Polish women. Poland is 97% white even _now,_ can you image how few black women were in Poland back then? Black women were suffering _in America._ They were not suffering in Poland, because a) most of them weren't even in Poland, and b) Poland never had racial slavery, so the few black women who were there didn't have to deal with any of the issues American black women faced.
@@viperstriker4728 Yes, but this is a conversation between women. Men and women faced different challenges. Not saying either side had it easier, just that they faced different stuff
Honestly there are many days where I wish I was a rich Victorian lady whose primary objective was to ensure she had the prettiest and most smoothly running household in all the land and I didn’t have to worry about holding down a job AND keeping my apartment clean AND trying to find a man who knows how to do his own laundry
Yeah but depending on genetic lottery, you could also end up a _poor_ Victorian lady whose primary objective is holding down a job ensuring _someone else's_ household runs smoothly, so her own siblings or children don't starve to death, and gets to keep nothing for herself D: Not to mention that probably none of the men could do their own laundry D:
Excuse me, running a huge household IS a job and takings care of your house all in one - it's not like one person could've cleaned it all on a Saturday or as if it meant just giving random orders to be fetched one's smelling salts. There really was a gradient of wealth and most people had servants, but still worked hard all day - there was just a lot more work to be done for a household to run smoothly. And even for the richest it would be like a managerial job nowadays (so yeah, some people just cash in the check, but some actually manage). And I mean, finding a man who had a decent income as well as wasn't a complete wanker is probably on par with finding a guy who has a decent job and isn't a complete wanker today. Soooo I mean it's less soul-sucking and most often less physically intense, but like. Not a constant holiday either.
this could SO EASILY be about a modern-day mid-20's woman comparing her life to her great-great grandmother's, and getting ROASTED by the older woman...I'd SO like to see a Part 2 of this video! (and we haven't even TOUCHED on things like air conditioning, running water, cars instead of horses, and airplanes instead of having to ride the train (or an ocean liner) to go any great distance!)
“It’s been 130 years. What HAVE you fixed?” Me: “We’ve got deodorant now.” *remembers the powder they used works pretty dang well and that the first modern deodorant was trademarked in 1888* Um…hm. 🤔🧐🤯
Speaking of it, I have found you can function totally fine without deodorant. I went deo free this summer and not to be TMI but, I have found I even sweat less. And no icky feeling on your skin. 10/10 would recommend
@@britischenadligen3760 Lmao I live in a tropical country and I assure you choosing to go without deodorant would make into a living bio hazard in about three days XD
Actually women have achieved equal opportunity and pay for the same job. However, now they've achieved equal opportunity they want equity of outcome. That destroys the motivation to be your best. Those who work harder and more should be rewarded more.
y’all yes I know vaccine isn’t a cure but it wouldn’t make that much sense if she said “you have a vaccine and people don’t want it” considering vaccines weren’t in widespread use back in 1890 so probably indeed not many of them would want it 👀
Hi! I love you
@@bluenorth3965 wow, that was an enlightening video you posted, really makes you think
Meme mom knows whats up 😂
yeah but if you called it a cure theyd probably take it, patent medicine was all the rage, just say it has laudanum in it.
but yeah....what have we fixed? some things I guess, not enough things
Do they also not want it in Poland?
“Some of you haven’t lost five children to typhus and it shows.”
This got me.
This got me good.
Ikr
I’m glad I saw this before I started the video because at first I thought it said 1980 and this made me do a double take
Best line 🤣
This is iconic.
I still can't understand it dumb-dumb here
Ok VictorianKarolina why do you have to call us out like that
Yeah it hurt me a little bit lol
Because VictorianKarolina can do what she likes
She makes me feel so phoney since my Long Covid probably won't kill me like Consumption, but I'm still languishing here, all fashionably pallid and sickly.
Help! I'm a fake languisher!
Hurt
I'm Victorian trucking bernadette and I need help to start my 1900s 1890s adventure
“Some of you haven’t lost five children to typhus and it shows.” I cackled.
I sniffled uncontrollable in my camping toilet :,)))
Me too, too true
Like a witch?
Last time I visited my grandma she told me about her sister that died from typhus. Yes, she always talks about fun things like that, she´s my personal memento mori
@@jonasholzer4422 my grandma tells me she survived typhus thanks to a witch doctor. In that sense, we've really come a long way...
So what I’m taking away from this is that being rich kicks ass regardless of what century you’re living in
As long as the commons aren't revolting, the wealthy can f*ck shit up!
I do mean that comment very literally...
*very literally...*
My exact thought 😂
TRUE! Money being the REAL god of this existance, fixes everything.
Being middle class today is objectively better than being super rich in 19th century
@@DashieDeThat's just not true... Being middle class today is living a purposeless life where you're stuck in a cycle work, eat, shit, sleep. It's why so many people are depressed nowadays. Being super rich in the 19th century is so much better
“Reading letters from my six lovers” Well miss ma’am had her fair share of fun and games that’s for sure
Plot twist: she is Emma Bovary
Folks had to do something to amuse themselves and pass the time before television and the Internet were invented...
i can't even get a crush from a crush she's living the life
But what about STDs :((
@@leavealekalone I thought the same😬🤦🏻♀️
the one thing about most of the depictions of historic people is they generally depict the lives of the rich ! I would love to see a conversation between a 21st woman and a 1890s polish mining coal town woman .
Yeah.
Exactly
And which 21st century woman? There are still very poor coal mining towns, and if you mean that demographic, I think they could find quite a lot in common, if you mean a typical urbanite woman, it would be completely unrelatable.
@@margaretqueenofscots9450 I meant women who are part of a family that derive 80% or more from wages earned in the direct extraction of coal ( not managers, owners , speculators , or people involved in various ancillary industries ) .
Poland did not exist as a country then. Half was Prussian and other Imperial Russia
I can’t believe that Karolina revived an 1890s woman just for her to appear in the video.
Truly her powers are incomprehensible to us mere mortals
Ugh the dedicación😩😍
Right??
I wouldn’t expect anything less
Karolina *is* the 1890s woman. she's imortal.
"Some of you have never lost five kids to typhus and it shows."
We're reaching levels of insult that shouldn't be possible...
In the old days insults had CLASS.
Hey baby😘
@@jennathompson4242 Hello there ☺
Yeah, but some of us have chosen to lose our kids before they are even born, does that count? How does that show on us?
The irony is most modern day women haven’t given birth to one child never mind even losing one.
The library, mansion and maid sure sounds nice. Would love to hear the maid's perspective though.
Impossible.
Only human beings may freely communicate.
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 Ew.
BURN! Do one with a 1800s maid conversating with a 2021 maid.
@Diego Charles disgusting. In the very olden days stealing a kid was as punished as most other serve crimes, like murder, but even that was somewhat more understandable as that pig could have been the whole households meal to survive on
Great point
Another proof that our meme mom is a vampire who has been around for thousands of years
I shall add this to my evidence file...
Well, at least 130
MATPAT WHERE ARE YOU FOR THIS
I mean it's canonical by now, right! She clearly doesn't even bother to hide it any more!
absolutely like she can’t even hide it now
The blank stare of the women from 1890 is such a mood 😭 “I really hope you’re not gay 😰”
I loved the blank stare, I couldn’t but be in awe of how beautiful Karolina‘s eyes are 😭
@@birdgirl8390 Ikr, she is perfect.
Back then, gay meant happy
@@caiawashere "in the 60s, nobody was gay; we were just shy."
--Lily Tomlin
And I mean, being gay in some places is still illegal, so... Yeah.
2021 people be like: *[incomprehensible gibberish noises]*
1890 people be like: "What an insufferable fellow."
1890 women will be amazed.. We have the vote ?. We dont need men permission to do things?
@@emilywyatt9340 I think, you be wrong to think that, once they are told most jails are filled from single parent homes, teenage out of wedlock pregnancies, women taking anti-depresant drugs 10 times more than men, gender lines are blured but men can play in women sports, etc, etc, and etc.
And that's why society's fucked up@@emilywyatt9340
@@emilywyatt9340The biggest misconception is that all women even wanted to vote. Most women were against it because the vote was always seen as a "family vote". Women have destroyed the idea of family for real 😢
@@wanaced6u sound biased asf rn. You’re just projecting at this point.
"Reading letters from my six lovers" 😂😅
There's thing thing called otome...
I like otome isekai Manwhas, but the anime is nice too
like... laaadyyy you are such a naighty naughty lady
She was with her “maid” ;)
Relatable lol, if it was anime boys.
It’s not that hard 😏
"What have you fixed?"
We have vegan cheese that actually melts.
Is that a real solution?
@@EzequielNascimento its a start of something great😂
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1890 woman: I'm sorry what is vegan
@@amiracaroandyeeeeet.2779 too poor for animal products!
Just don't tell the poor lady about the mysterious loss of pockets in the future.
The pocket loss actually happened around 1890s. She knows and she also saw it happen
@@miglek9613 and she's got some words for the person who started it.
wait, what about pants with pockets that have a single bar tack stitch in the middle to ensure you cant use them? Seriously, what supervillain came up with that bs?
@@nosknosk9693 I believe (though could easily be wrong) that those stitches are ment to keep the garment in place during shipping and protection. You'll find them in vests, and the inner pockets of dress jackets as well.
@@rabbit__ You're right. Any well made item of clothing will have those stitches. I got fed up of buying cheap jackets that didn't last long, saved up and bought a couple of really good equality well made ones and all the pockets were lightly tacked all the way across to prevent them catching on anything in transit and to meet their shape. They also came with spare buttons and a piece of fabric for any possible future repairs.
To be fair.
If you had a victorian mansion in the early 20th century, your modern counterpart would probably have inherited land and a business from Daddy.
and would still be complaining....
Honestly, every time I read a historical source I’m surprised how many job opportunities there were for us, even before the 20th century. I kinda get the impression that “women have to stay in the home and raise children” was more of an upper class idea. Plenty of women, especially in the middle and lower classes, were journalists, authors, nurses, small business owners, laborers, etc.
yup, lower class women have always worked outside the home in addition to doing most of the domestic labour unfortunately.
A large part of the myth of the past being completely awful is to make the 21st century seem better. To make it seem like we've progressed a lot more than we actually did. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example
But wouldn't there still have been incredible pushback against those women joining those professions? Except for maybe seamstresses and other traditionally feminine jobs where it was considered women's work (also in addition to laborers/factory workers). And female authors regularly used pseudonyms so as not to give away the fact that they were women. And I can hazard a guess that if they wanted to be a doctor rather than a nurse, they would've gotten laughed off all the way into next Tuesday. I get what you're saying though, and not disagreeing that some women did hold those jobs. I just can't imagine it would've been easy. Or were standards for middle and lower class women different when it came to work? (Besides the obvious bc I know lower class women have always worked outside the home.) What I mean is does anyone know if the prevailing attitude was "oh, it's fine if _those_ women work" or was it more "no woman should be doing that kind of work period (unless it's traditionally feminine work) but they are, so whatever"?
I remember hearing that women who had families who also worked (I think in the Edwardian era but don’t quote me) would have a later start time than women who didn’t have families because society knew how important women were to have a functioning household.
The stay at home wife in the general population is a ideal from the last century, as people got more afluent it was a sign of weatlh. Just one person did need to work basically
"You're 27 years of age, unmarried, and unemployed" Okay, Victorian Meme Mom, you didn't have to come for my throat like that, I'm working on it 😭
That fact slapped to my face so hard but I'm just older, 29 years old 😂😂😂
She has six lovers too.
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Unmarried and unemployed. That's an insult? You should be the happiest person in the world 😁.
@@escah9150 the unmarried, yes. Unemployed, my student loan repayments are starting again and I have no idea how to defer them. Also my mom's bugs the shit out of me everyday about who I applied to and if the called back
I was a bit confused who the modern woman was. The other looks like she's from the 1890s but the modern one looks like she's from the 1950s.
that's just how karolina dresses, she likes vintage fashion
Same
yeah lmaooo
Yesss
Nah the modern woman looks like 1980s rather
"What have you Fixed?!"
Good question
If anything, they've made things worse.
@@StarboyXL9”they”?!
Sometimes the "fix" is to stop believing bullshit about how it's broken.
Not much. Lol.
I mean, the conversation would have gone differently if she'd been talking to someone of a comparable social class.
Yeah but the joke wouldn't work that way
@@NatalleeK yeah it would be nearly as funny
Technically they were. The modern woman is mooching off her parents and relies on their status.
However woman from lower class would probably express the same opinion about "having cure for disease and not wanting it".
Exactly!!
The Żebrowska challenge - guess which character is from 2021.
that's probably why the captions have Modern Woman and Victorian Woman to avoid confusion. 😂
@@mamamoyt true :D
I thought the same thing.
It’s the woman wearing pink
At first I couldn't tell.
Ok can we just appreciate her acting in this, quick someone get a famous movie director and cast her as the lead in a historically accurate film!
I want to see her in the Polish version of “Jojo Rabbit” now
Exactly my thought.
@@vilena5308 yes indeed
@@Thobeian oooo maybe
I was thinking the same lol
It's always better to be rich, no matter when
Its also apparently better to be delusioned into thinking a criminal act such as paying differently based on sex is still a thing.
@@goldenhate6649Yeah, thinking crimes like murder and thievery still exist in this day and age is delusional
"what *have* you fixed" is the real question we all should be asking ourselves...
This question gives me anxiety
The right to own property independently, the right to custody of our children after divorce, Public information about how the female health works, tons of stuff that we shouldn't take for granted just because the goal post for equality is ever-moving.
I mean, quite a lot. Just because there is still work to do doesn't mean nothing has been done.
Especially after the huuuuge setback in Texas! 😖
Well you are
The first part sounds like she’s a TH-camr apologizing 😭
While the 1890’s one is just really roasting the crap out of her-
Slay her queen, slay with facts 😭😭
Tati crying in my head xdddddd
To be fair, 1890s woman is more 1890s wealthy woman. I bet the maid would have a different take, as would the woman workers who made her clothes.
@@HamSaladtv exactly
@@HamSaladtv same as factory workers who made our phones and everything, to be fair.
@@InvisiblerApple oh definitely, and tbf i love this bit she made, but it certainly is charry picking the best experiences from the 1890s european imperialism.
My boyfriend and I actually write letters everyday. More people should try it, it's so much fun!
goals!
That's really awesome :D and sweet~
I wrote my boyfriend a letter for his birthday this year, I really want to start writing more letters!
That is so cool! Totally doing that with a partner in the future
But how you deliver them? The work hours my gf and I have are so awful we only have time to meet on weeknds, and not even every weekend
This skit had so much potential.
Yet she ruined it by acting like she had lovers! So disgusting! No, most normal women would have been happily married, raising kids.
“it’s been 130 years, what have you fixed?” this is literally so sad when you think about it.
More like incompetence or just shows lack of motivation anyways this just proves that 1
barack obama is Supreme for being black and president after 130 years blacks did more than suburban women angery at their tired husband's opresive patriarchal hierarchical system 👨🦼 2 wamen are ungrateful for how good the system plays for them is honesty sad when you think about it pink tax my ass
@@heliogonzalez2663 hi why do you think that? Abortion being illegal or very restricted, different payment for different genders, inequality in political representation, there is not enough support for working women with children, a lot of women are the only one taking care of their children, also prostitution and child marriage are mostly affecting women, domestic and sexual violence too, double moral standards benefiting men, menstrual poverty, etc. All of these things are in fact part of the political, social and economical system we live in.
And disclaimer: I am not saying that life is easy for men. But there is inequality between genders and this inequality benefits men, not women. (And I didnt even mention the specific problems of sexism + other opressions, like racism, ableism, lesbophobia, transphobia...)
So yeah, I would like to know what is your view on this.
Weve fixed a lot, its just theres still a lot to fix. Its important to appreciate how far we’ve come to understand how farther we can go
In the past century, Women got the right to inherit property, then the right to do their own banking(own things separately from their husband), then the right to custody of their children after divorce, then the right to "no-fault divorce" (proof of infidelity or abuse used to be required for a court to allow a divorce, which is hard to collect, so women were stuck even when husband WAS abusive), and although it's sometimes blocked: the healthcare system can tell them how their bodies actually work, they have the legal right to equal pay, and have the federal right to reproductive choices. Just because our standards of freedom are higher now doesn't mean we haven't had tons of progress 💛
@@heliogonzalez2663 yeah but shes not from America and America isnt the only country in the world to talk about...
This was so good: literally preach! that line “what have you fixed?” Is such an eye opener. Like our society spends so much time pitying the past and talking about how everything is so much better when we should really be more focused on fixing obvious problems
And we pity a fake past to make ourselves seem more progressive than we actually are. Medieval europeans had public bath houses, but most people think they didn't bathe or were able to read for example.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Yea, you can blame the plague for making people afraid of bathing in water. But even then, people still used soap and linen cloths to clean themselves, not to mention people regularly changed undergarments.
@@peggedyourdad9560 Medieval peasant (il)literacy comes from a very simple misunderstanding. "Literacy" meant you read and wrote "the proper civilized latin language". When records say "peasants weren't literate" it just means they didn't read or write latin, they could absolutely write and read their own language.
The further back you go the more you realize how not advanced we are. Most cultures had telescopes and understanding of the solar system, the earliest plastic operations were done by an indian surgeon in 600 BC. They had eye lens operations. Rome had indoor plumbing and internally heated buildings. But then Rome and europe in general kinda exploded and the plague happened and a lot of stuff was just forgotten.
Or the loss of great civilizations or great libraries, so much knowledge lost. A lot of stuff is not being learned, but re-learned again.
Yes exactly! Those are all great points
like the climate change
"It's 130 years, what *have* you fixed?"
I don't know if I should laugh or cry about that...
I laughed because crying would give me a headache and solve nothing. Laughing is more fun anyway
Comparing the status of the average woman nowdays with an upper class woman would obviously not compare too well. I doubt the average woman back then could spend her time in the comfort of her home with her books. Also the adjusted wage gap (accounting for education/experience/hours worked/same occupation etc) is only 5% now. That's nearly fixed. If we could get "women jobs" (Nursing, teaching etc, which has more women) pay better tho, that'd be great, but that's more an economic issue than a feminist one I think. Men working "dirtier" and riskier jobs (on average, than woman) naturally should have decent pay as compensation, as well as STEM jobs that have more men in them based on personal choice, are simply more profitable, leading to an unadjusted pay gap.
@@FirsToStrike that's BS because when women move to STEM careers, adjusted for education and experience, they still get paid less.
So is not all "personal choice"
At least a husband cannot put their wife in an insane asylum for disobeying him.
Women in the 21st century can hold property and bank accounts in her OWN name, can vote, run for office. Something a 19th century woman could've never ever done.
Women of age are legally recognized as adults in a lot countries, something no woman in the 19th century had.
Im surprised this 19th century woman is still alive and not dead from delivering one of her 5 kids.
@@incisivecommenter5974 I have not seen any research yet about a gender pay gap in STEM that adjusted for hours worked, and I think that's ridiculous.
when my great grandmother reached an age where she had trouble getting around, my mother suggested it might be easier if she wore pants, she answered in an offended or disgusted tone, "I've never had on a pair of pants in my life!"
From a time when women were women, and men were men. Now women try so hard to be men, dating one is like being in a gay relationship 😂
Plot twist: it’s Karolina reflecting on her past lives
No, it’s just when she was younger
The fact that she probably didn't understand why the 2021 woman didn't wanted her to be gay is killing me.
OMG MOM, IM FAMOUS
Especially since back then gay literally only meant happy, they didn't change it until decades later.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 why you say them "Lesbian". They are literally just BESTie goals. There is nothings wrong with sleeping in the same bed and hugging each other while kissing. right?
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 and that past WAS awful, precisely because there were gay people and they had to hide because any clear implication of their involvement with a same-sex partner would result in ostracizing and violence.
@@Bazoogabooks And you know he's straight because I didn't hear him mention it.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385 being gay in the 1890s wasnt really that idyllic though. Many gay couples lived like this, but usually ones that had some money. If you didnt have any money and you lived like this... you were most likely ostracised by the community
Guys, she knows that most people actually had kind of/totally shitty lives back then, this was meant to have a funny and unexpected twist, not the most likely response.
I guess but wage gap is questionable since many say it’s not a thing no more and people who bring it up leave out details such as specifications of job such as men dominating stem science and stuff, men work more over time and so on. They argue there point with vague information. What I will give them is that there most likely SOME men who look down at woman in work place and not give them promotion if there qualified over a man. At same time there woman who easily climbed the latter using there bodies.
Finally someone with a brain in the comments
She needs to work on her delivery because it wasn’t funny. She took the stereotype of millennials which isn’t accurate and compared it to an upperclass woman from the past. It’s not even remotely the same. She could have done a much better job if she had compared say a barmaid from the past and a waitress now. But she took the wrong route.
@Theone Wolf yeah, kinda sick of every generation stereotyping every other generation instead of talking to them and getting to know each other.
@Theone Wolf I have no problem of talking to people of other generations and finds things funny that are. Making fun of different generations is not my idea of funny. But if you do, more power to you.
In what world is having six lovers a good thing?
Good thing for those 6 guys, who don't have to commit, but get to drop the load and run. Feminism was a win for the top 10% of men... and a massive loss for women who lost agency in their own love lives but gained an abusive boss that doesn't give a shit about them.
Sounds hot.
The "six lovers" thing wasn't necessarily brought up as something to envy, but as a rebuttal to the common belief that everyone was a total prude in Victorian times. Showing that, yes, it was totally possible to sleep around back in those days.
Women think that's a good thing. No, no it's not. And they more likely would be potential suitors, not lovers.
@@scherzvait sounds awful and manipulative, idk how yall find that hot
"It's been 130 years, what *have* you fixed?!" 😂
Ngl I'm always very jealous of the wooden libraries.
In seriousness, this is one of the best arguments I've ever seen for things like quotas... Yes, we could campaign for gradual improvement, but when it takes over a century....
I have a 100-year-old house with a wooden library. It's everything it sounds like (with ladder and all). We also live without AC in TX like 100 years ago. It's also everything it sounds like 🙃
Thats only the rich people haha 😀😖
@@LudmilaRamirez7 oh absolutely, and TBF if I was rich *now* I'd definitely have one added to my house lol
@@growingthehome that's amazing! Well, the library, rip for the air con though. I live in England and I'm starting to feel like we need air con with the warm summers... I can't imagine going without it in Texas!
@@kpwxx fr 😭🔥❤️
"The wars, the political turmoil, the stinky air, the bigotry..." oh sorry youre not talking about 2021?
She otome isekai'd herself
Yeah, they talked about the equal pay thing not having been solved, as if bigotry isn't still a major issue.
Why is this not the top comment?
Uh I'm pretty sure 2021 dosen't compare to how it was then
@@Mitsuraga equal pay was solved.
To be fair, she would at least make the same amount as a man, given, she chose the same profession, and has equal work experience.
The gender pay gap doesn't and has never existed. A woman got a prize for proving it doesn't exist. You've been lied to.
These stats are so skewed by ultra feminists by pooling less important jobs in with important jobs. You are right and a lot of women actually make more than their male counterparts in the same field.
Actually, she may not. You haven’t been a female professional in the workforce and it shows.
@@Chels-fz5uq So tell me then have you?
@@Chels-fz5uqAs a therapist that’s also been in relationships with women in numerous different highly respected professions, yes, they did in fact get paid the same.
Using the “you’re not a women, so you can’t make a counter argument on this” strategy, has the weakest foundation to stand on. This is a topic that has been done to death, and heavily misinterpreted.
This is definitely the flip side of people romanticizing certain aspects of the past and saying things were so much better back then and how today sucks. I think we can all agree that we've definitely got some things that are better in modern times but in so many ways, it's still the same and we've still got a LONG way to go. Which I get is pretty much the point of the video, so.
Yeah! I think so too. But also, she is showing a whealthy person. I get things were not as bad or as nightmarish as we use to imagine, but the truth is that most victorian women(and people in general) had to work sixteen hours a day with little payment (kinda haha). So, it actually was not as romantic as I feel she constantly tries to make it look. On the other hand, you are right, we def still have a long way to go and this video shows!
@@luquetmora1810 Oh, I totally get that this is a wealthy person! I'm actually someone who thinks that okay, so maybe not everything was as bad as we thought back then (for a rich person) but like, y'all...we still have it SO much better these days. Haters, don't come at me bc I'm a fan of Karolina too, but it did kinda rub me the wrong way how this video in turn romanticized the past and made us modern folks seem silly for pointing out the lack of rights/privileges back then, which is objectively true. Not like today is perfect, but I'd still rather live today than back then.
some things are better, some are worse, but it doesn't matter since your needs are dictated by what generation you're born in anyway.
@@buckplug2423 you are right, our generation is no longer in need of having kids, in those times they were kinda obligated because of the death rates. I mean... 🙄
My response to anyone that says that is give me a time period, where things were so ‘great’ what they actually mean is that. Their was a period to me I’d say (90s/00s) were their was a myth of ‘post-feminism’ the idea that sexism wasn’t that bad and Feminism wasn’t needed. To the point we’re being ‘sexist’ saying awful things about women was normalised in the media. Look at old interviews, how they sexualised celebrity women don’t even get me started with the movies especially in the 00s. Everything was seen as ‘joke’ and not serious now that people are beginning (I don’t literally mean that) to question many things, people now say ‘everybody is so sensitive today’. When it’s not case, people have always been sensitive is just that you can longer get away with your ‘Jokes’ just an observation I’ve made.
Well, if she was working class, her life wouldn't have been this splendid.
that's the joke...
Are working class people of today's lives splendid?
They both aren't working class tbh.
@@mjm3091 I don't think we can really tell for the modern woman, I don't think there's enough context
@@LenaFerrari she lives in her parents basement and plays AmongUs, I think it is implied she isn't doing much in her life.
“Some of you haven’t lost 5 children to typhoid and it shows.”
Absolutely iconic
1:58 It's impossible to work on something that already works lol
You can not convince me that this isn't exactly what Karolina thinks because she's an immortal being that transcends time and space
You're twenty-seven years old, you've no money and no prospects. You're already a burden to your parents and you're frightened.
Hey but at least now we can be like that and not be shunned by all of society
Sadly not true. I’m in my forties. Have a house and a good job. But I’m single, and constantly feel I’m a burden on my parents and I’m also shunned by society for the crime of no one wanting to be with me. It’s like being punished for multiple things at the same time, but I still don’t know what I did wrong.
At least you know how to be a good impostor in AmongUs.
@@dees3179 it’s not your fault. Just because your single it does not mean you need to be ostracized . Maybe you are from a conservative country. Because in the west I have lots of single and gay friends that don’t really care about kids and even though someone judges them it does not mean all of society ostracized them. You will still have friends . Maybe your family just are too old school and that is bad . No one should be judged because they are single .
@@Orynae I know a lot of friends still on their parents basement but still they don’t care it’s their choice . They still have food shelter and whatever makes them happy. Though I don’t recommend this lifestyle. I m glad they are happy and not being killed or ostracized like back in the days
This is funny, but not totally fair to be comparing a wealthy person from one time period to a middle class person from another. There are still people with maids and wooden libraries today.
Yeah and even that, being an Emma Bovary getting depressed in a wooden library for all my life is not a life goal
Despite modern media tropes about historical dynamics, being a butler/maid back then was actually a good and respected gig (most of the time).
@@g.i.r.l. they had a job
Was abt to comment this. There is no comparison to b made here
An unmarried woman in 1890 would certainly be living at home with her parents and if she was unmarried AND had a job that would only make things worse in the eyes of the society she kept, not better. Like, please, it's bad enough that you're unmarried at 27, at least don't embarrass us with a vulgar JOB. Instead of playing Among Us with her Facebook friends, she would be playing whist with her friends from her lady's club.
In my job, all the women make more than me.
What is your occupation?
okay but like, this is one single job. if you take the average of all jobs this is not the case. a single example proves nothing
I'm so tired of this argument, wages are same.
@@yanwato9050The WAGE GAP doesn't include education, hours worked, negotiating....
@@thomasnolan100false
The title should have been: If 1890 year old Karolina had a conversation with a 2021 year old Karolina
So she is actually Jesus?
@@Future_Pheonix no... She was just born at the same time as Jesus... Wait-
Bold of you to assume Karolina isnt more than 2021 years old
Have you ever seen Karolina and Jesus in the same room? I'm just saying
@@woodfur00
I mean..
Karolina= immortal, called "mom/mother" by people.
Jesus= Can resurrect, potentially as a female?
Just a few points to consider.
"You found a cure and people don't want it? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"
💀💀🔥🔥🔥
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I think, people would want a cure but perhaps no vaccine. A vaccine isn‘t a cure!
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 yeah, it's better because it actually stops bad shit from happening instead of decreasing the chance of getting completely fucked up by the illness that's already wrecking your body but only if you live in a country with free and actually working healthcare or are rich. Like, when the polio vaccine was created people were pretty much fighting each other in order to get it first and there is a reason for that
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 you're right, it's better... it's preventative healthcare!
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 is the best closest thing
Everyone’s a rich lady in her historical dreams. What about imagining yourself a poor working woman? There was/is a lot more of poor people than rich.
Kinda like how everyone was someone famous in their previous lives. No one was a galley slave or a dirt farmer.
She made a whole viral video about that a few years ago, it’s amazing!
Right, this argument would be almost non existent if they were both poor or both rich
Women do get paid the same as their male coworkers, if they do the same job. It’s illegal for an employer not to pay the same.
a conversation between women from different classes rather than different times
Different classes + different times
I was once told by the curator of a historic castle that the medical professionals of the middle ages would be horrified that we haven't cured cancer by now. They were a lot more forward thinking than they are given credit for.
I was thinking about medieval hospitals with their large rooms and high ceilings to aid air flow and pig skin roofs to let light in the last time I was in a small, stifling and windowless hospital ward.
medieval hospitals were retarded lol, we have modern VAC systems, HEPA filters in hospitals today, wtf are you talking about. 😂
@@Danuxsy We may have all those things, but if the hospital doesn't feel comfortable to be in, and the one I was in certainly didn't, that affects a patient's well being.
That was the point I was making. The medieval medics may not have had the technology we have, but they understood the benefits of a comfortable environment on patients.
Hospital acquired infections are a much bigger problem now than when I was young. That's why people are sent home as quickly as possible after surgery. Until the last 20 years or so, large well ventilated wards with big windows were the norm. Now we rely on extra levels of technology to do what simple ergonomics used to. Some hospitals are using UV to "clean" operating rooms. Not because it is more efficient, but because it is cheaper than employing and properly training a human cleaner. UV can only kill germs that are not in shadow. Technology is not infallible and is often used to save money rather to improve patient care.
@@Danuxsy just because we HAVE those things at our disposal doesn’t mean that all hospitals USE them, unfortunately
"We" never will. There's no money in wellness.
Are you nuts? In medieval you wouldnt even have any painkiller or even a sanitaser, instead you wounds would be cured with hot oil and highly likely you would die from pain shock. Not even speaking about horribly dirty water (bc they didn't have any running water system and wc, you know, so everything went down rivers) and absence of basic understanding of hygiene. Back then a simple infection in your cut finger could mean death. If only all people with ideas like you could go back to times they think were better and try to actually live there.
"Whenever someone says 'good old days', think one word: 'dentistry.'" - PJ O'Rourke
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Isn't it only the rich that can eat with sugar and much salt? (Sorry i don't really know about the time period) Meditteranean diet is still around today helping people with diabetes and providing healthy teeth
@@atisyahandari6468 No in the late 19th century sugar was pretty readily available. Probably since the Elizabethan era onward...
Men and women are required by law in the West to be paid the same wage for (starting) hourly work and (starting) salaries. Women choose to work less and work in less lucrative fields than men, are generally less ambitious in the workforce and so don't get promoted as often, and may eventually leave the workforce to have families, so of course women are going to still make less money than men. What's wrong with that, with women having free choices and engaging openly in a meritocratic system of free enterprise? Do you want them to be forced into the factories etc. so they can make the same amount of money as men? Of course, the governments of the West have come up with the opposite idea, steal from productive men (excessive taxes, welfare, unjust family court laws etc.) and "redistribute" the money to less productive, sometimes lazy women and call their theft "equity" or "equality".
As an 27yo unmarried and unemployed woman who also plays among us with my friends more than I should, I have to say I feel very attacked right now, haha...
Right there with you. Damned if you do damned if you don't the goal of the enemy is to tear down their wife she can't really win either way because his ego and pride effects his decision making so I'm not sure how they considered themselves superior just for having muscles. The brain and intuition is a more powerful tool then his mouth and without women there would be no man. It would just be a planet of nothing ness.
Don't. This video's bullcrap. You don't need to marry to be worth it. Appealing to the male gaze is useless
@@crazyhairsinger you are really fun at parties 😂
Amogus
@@saturngirl3673 "the enemy" i can tell your fat and dont leave the internet or your bedroom
Upper class Victorian woman: I'm just sitting here in my beautiful Victorian mansion while my maid helps me put a silk tea gown on
Lower class Victorian woman: Am I a joke to you?
@4Freedom4All yeah, its true, well for being fair most of people were unhappy in that time.
@@luzy6474 they were worse off as far as quality of life goes, but they were not less happy. Humans always adapt to our surroundings
@@lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 you are right
No, that is absolutely not true......if I am maid or others ,some of them have a great relationship with their employer - or female master/owner of the house ,it was not always bad to live in someone's 🏠. being a servant.
the working class Victorian woman died before the age of 25
that's why we didn't get to hear her version
This had no business being THAT funny and simultaneously sad 😭😭😂 well done well done 👏✨
this video couldve been perfect, yet it went wrong in almost every way.
Thank you
Please elaborate
@@squidbro6635 Gender wage gap
1890: Well… at least the judgments of female beauty were drop, and now society stopped caring how woman look.
2021: ……
1890: totally unrelated, whats Tiktok?
I'd say it did in fact increase... In the past, most of the silhouette and female beauty standards were related to the figure of her dress and how they fashioned their hair accordingly, nowadays it's a lot more strict in relation to body type and to having the lastest piece of fashionable clothing that's mass produced and is going to be considered unfashionable in one year or two.
@@user-df8hl4zx2l Agreed- like you said, it used to be possible to 'meet the standard' via altering your clothing but nowadays we have to change our actual bodies or even have surgery to meet it. :/
@@user-df8hl4zx2l I mean, nowadays, being shunned and mocked because you don't look like a supermodel or 'like everyone else' is generally not the case. Sure, you might look kinda lame if you go out in nothing but a T-shirt, bermudas and crocs, but it's nothing that would get you weird looks for
@@364-unbirthdays8 Uhhh yeah no. When I was a teenager my mother shamed me because I was 10 lbs heavier than her underweight ass, and then a few years later I ACTUALLY gained a bunch of weight due to a hormone disorder.
You're only not shunned or mocked if you're skinny. God forbid you be fat.
@@ZombiesOhMyGod I'm not making light of your circumstance, but in this instance, I was referring purely to clothing.
"Some of you have never lost 5 children to Typhus and it shows." Boy I almost woke up this whole townhome community at 4AM 🤣🤣🤣
"At least the bigotry is gone."
*"Yeah, about that...."*
Compared to 1890 it might as well be.
Compared to the ideal of there being no bigotry on the other hand...
@@jorenvanderark3567 a whole country is all up in arms about hymen reconstructive surgery, in another country a teenager was boiled to death by her father because she refused a marriage, women islamic countries are considered half a man, homosexuality is illegal in 70 countries, znd we all how alive and well racism is and slavery is alive and well .. So yeah..
@@borednerd2100 it’s still comparatively better in America it’s unhealthy to not acknowledge the progress we’ve made it only breeds hopelessness
@@geekgirl616 why would you assume I'm American?
@@borednerd2100 I didn’t I’m speaking for myself the story is probably pretty similar where you’re from too if you live in Europe, Oceania, Asia, or almost any first world country.
"Some of you have never lost 5 children to typhus and it shows"
shows WHAT? could somebody please explain the joke here, I don't get it 😭
@@lxtatar7773 it's the same structure as another popular joke, "some of you never _ and it shows" meaning you obviously never seen some shit or been around the block
@@patrickofearth thank you!
@@lxtatar7773she is referring to antivaxers
The vaccines then would be call monoclonal antibodies today. We are not using the same thing they were back then. And Typhus was treated by curtain corrupt company like are modern day crisis was.
this has the same energy as "I'm 27 years old, I've no money and no prospects. I'm already a burden to my parents and I'm frightened."
Oh good I'm not the only one who thought that
@@adedow1333 we're all 27 here
Karolino, droga imienniczko (nasze roczniki były zalane Karolinami, nie zaprzeczysz chyba :D)! Uwielbiam Twój kanał!
Oh I see what you did there Charlotte 😂
I thought the same !
"My Victorian mansion and my maids"
My ancestors to me : "My husband and three sons working in a coal mine, all dying from silicosis before turning 50, my alcohol addiction (weird hands as a legacy), my six home births alone (with the other kids around) and tuberculosis."
Social unfairness was a thing back then like nowadays but at least being a woman or a man was making no difference in terms of difficult living conditions. Otherwise the elite was very sexist and mysoginistic because they had the time and the money.
But she would definitely say to me : "Now stop whining and be a woman !"
That’s true . This lady she is representing is rich z she should make a proper comparison like a poor working class woman in 1890 . Because life back then according to my grandmother is very bad. This Victorian lady is just overly rich it’s UNRELATABLE
@@njrom2975 both are overtly rich. Do u have any idea how rich u have to be for u to be 27, unemployed, and living in ur parents basement and they’re just completely fine with it? Some people experience the smallest amount of struggle/stress and act like the world is ending
@@bigjoe1103 Wtf. I'm 24, unemployed because I can't find a job in my poor country, I still live with my parents, study and still have time to play some random games or watch some random videos on TH-cam. That doesn't mean I'm rich. My parents work a lot to bring the money and support me with my studies, we live in a small ass house in a poor neighborhood and struggle to pay the bills so... No. Being 20+ and unemployed doesn't mean you have money enough.
@@pirouettee idk anything about u or ur country, so i doubt what I said applies to u. But here in the u.s., and specifically Southern California where I live, almost every women that I’ve met, over 20 and under 20, had a victim mentality and act like the worlds against them and have never worried about paying the bills or trying to make time to relax cuz all they do is relax and occasionally protest movements they don’t understand. Best of luck to u on ur studies
@Madeleine Heath lmao what do u know about me? Talk about bigotry
if an 1890 _ultra rich_ woman and a 2021 _working class_ woman had a conversation.
Yes finally . I wanted to point out this. Because HEr title is so misleading . Thankyou
I'd say she's acting as a middle class woman, actually.
Why are people getting so upset, this video is a joke not commentary on society. If this was a political commentator making a point on how the past was better than the present then I'd probably get pissed but this is literally a dress making TH-camr
@@NatalleeK so? she is spreading misinformation by not disclosing that fact.
To be fair, the wage gap the way she described it has been fixed for decades, anything else is illegal. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen anymore just that it's not condoned by the state or society. The wage gap that still exists is when not correcting for occupation, hours worked, not working for extended periods of time etc. so it mostly comes down to different opportunities men and women have and also individual choices they make or are forced to make, like child rearing.
There is no wage gap, there is an earnings gap based on hours worked, etc
The entire mythos is built around comparing all men's jobs, to all women's jobs...so if you have 100 aeronautical engineers and 5 are women all earning $180,000 a year, and compare to 100 hair dressers where 5 are men, all earning $40,000 then all of a sudden it looks like this huge gender paygap...it's not real
Yeah we get to work out of the home, struggle financially, raise kids, are expected to look our best, have our bodies come in and out of fashion, keep the house neat, etc….sounds like a dream! /s don’t even get me started on the black woman experience! 😅
Louder for the people in the back, expected to want to do everything AND look good doing it. That ain't it.
Assuming about the same as poor white woman
@@dakotamabry1645 Yep, except worse as being poor is in no way exclusive to white people, so it is possible (and due to systemic racism that affects pay in a similar way as sexism) even more common to suffer from poverty and racism at he same time.
Kind of like having covid and the flu, also in the sense that there are plenty of people pretending one or both of those do not exist.
@@dakotamabry1645 As a poor white woman, I don't have to deal with racism so no, not about the same. If there were a version of me whose life was identical to mine in every single way except that I was black- that version of me would have a more difficult experience because she'd have to deal with all the terrible things I've had to in my life... plus deal with racism on top of all that.
@@vadalia3860 I'm also a poor white woman I dealt with sexism and racism.. kinda sick of white people projecting black problems as if they dont go through the same crap every one else does .. tired of people telling black children that because they aren't " privileged " what ever that means they will never have the quality of life that everyone else has .. guess what I've met plenty of black families living more successful lifes then I have and with better paid positions.. I've also been harrassed and threaten by cops who overstepped their bounds.. the black, Korean and Hispanics at my school were treated the same and had no problems fitting in .. I can get along with everyone and treat them like a normal person and not feel sorry for them - that's not an accomplishment its common decency . I'm sure If i was black nothing would piss me off more then some random strangers automatically pitty me and assume i was poor and not smart enough to accomplish anything on my own . Get off your high horse
1890 Karolina: "At least you fixed the bigotry." 2021 Karolina: *looks away*
At least its no longer widely considered acceptable i suppose
@Drunken Duck except much of it is
@@zazhands8866 but it isn't as bad as 130 years ago
2021: My BF is Black..
1890: Wait, what!?
That's
Good old beastiality.
Not in the UK.
Wealthy white women did not *admit* to Black lovers in 1890 London.
Did it ever happen on the down low, though? I'd guess yes.
1890: *Fire up the burning stake boys!*
@@rileymclaughlin4831not many bl*ck men around in 1890's Britain
1:51 was the funniest part for me. Hearing the shame and disappointment on the 1890’s girl was *too* real XD
"What have you fixed!?"
*blank stare as the realization sets in*
um, _smallpox_
A lot actually
What have you fixed? Um a lot pf things
1. Inheritance
2. Attend universities ( some females were not allowed to)
3. Right to vote
4. Choice not to have chikdren regardless whether we are homemakers or breadwinners
5. Enlarging scope of rape( include family members, increasing age of consent)
Actually the wage gap is fixed. Men had to attract ladies and support families back then. If you were a working lady, you weren't exactly at home, back then, when being a mom was LITERALLY a full time job.
Today, men work sick days, more overtime, just ask for raises, and work more dangerous jobs. Giving the illusion of the wage gap.
@@skullcandy9641 Number 5 kind of got balanced out by inviting people from countries who rape like there's no tomorrow.
I really wouldn’t mind spending all my days reading in a wooden library while being a rich lady.
that's the point i think lmao but most of us would probably be her slave who needs to dress her
@@gsiya4023 yeah but even if we are her servants at least we still get to stay in a mansion
@@isumin1534 ^^^^^^^^ this 100% lmao, Servants who were in upper class mansions were a step above most of the other working class like farmers etc.
@@PawsitivelyQuestionable would servants be able to read the books too
@@isumin1534 and read books :)
This was my daydream/make believe scenario when I was a little girl. I loved books like Little Women and Little House on the Prairie series, I always imagined bringing one of the characters to my current time and showing them my Gameboy color lol
th-cam.com/video/ar2UyGn27RU/w-d-xo.html
Ooo cool!
Should be renamed to "talking to a rich white woman from the 1820s"
Ooooo, but from where?
"Some of you have never lost 5 children to typhus and it shows." 1890's woman is our new queen.
I'm not sure whether to be the Debby downer and point out how different this video would be from the perspective of the lady helping her dress in 1890
but it wouldn't be funny if the video was us getting depressed at poor people in the 19th century
Can we get a Part 2 but this?
0:24 me when someone says something dumb
what
Lmao
Moral of the story: everything sucks regardless of the time
Yeah, but let’s be honest here for a moment - how many women actually got to live in such luxury at the time, because most of the world definitely didn’t relax in their own beautiful wooden libraries…
well, that's part of the joke of the video...
Exactly, that was my first thought
I mean, modern millionaires can't complain either
@ 100% true! Would love to see more of these topics in historical context though ❤️
True, my great grandparents were 13 children 2 parents trying to make money out of the farm lol
Man, who would have guessed that being part of the richest 1% gives you privileges that even people of a less marginalized group don’t have when they are poor? It’s almost like humans have always appreciated money more than people or something.
fair it kinda works if you had some money to begin with
@@blueorchid9455 omg no way we almost have the same pfp
Same with animals: there's always a hierarchy. It's like Mother Nature is a sick bitch.
That's quite literally the point of the video
thats just capitalism that makes you belive that humans only value money.
The way the 1890’s woman is just dragging 2021 for fixing nothing😭💀
This is truly heee-freaking-larious! Thank you for the creativity!
I find it funny since a lot of people do look back at the past with pity. Would also love the reverse, someone who romanticised it only to get cold hard reality.
I love the twist of the modern woman getting all upset pitying her, only for her to turn it back on her, to get off her high horse, insinuating that she must have a terrible life because of the time period.
But I also understand that what she is saying would have a different effect if it was someone of different class or area.
I get what shes saying but it really is still "problematic". Considering she understands how social media works and is intelligent, she knows doing this that most people won't really 'get it' and continue to simply romanticize the era. Many if not most wealthy women weren't all that 'happy'. Money and being part of that social class was a pain it itself. Having 6 lovers for 99 percent of women just wasn't a thing. A courtesan in Paris sure but not a woman who could move around in society all that freely. The whole thing is kinda messy.
Not to mention social class also fucked men
My best friend in high school romanticised the 1850s. I think she just loved the dresses, but didn't really think about the practicalities of taking a crap in a chamber pot stored under your bed.
@@caravanlifenz indoor plumbing came into use around that time, so she might not have had to use the chamber pot. But you are basically right, only really rich had that benefit at first. So for 99.9% of the people it was the chamber pot, or the outhouse. Heck, my ex wife's grandma is old enough that she had to use an outhouse when she was little!
The Common, Vulgar thing is to Assume people in the Past were Less in every way, when the Opposite is Truth.
“Some of you have never lost 5 children to typhus and it shows.” BOOM.
I just love the same-person-multi-character videos. They're so well done and funny ❤️
They weren't happy in the garden of eden and they'll never be happy
People in 1890: "in the future we will have flying cars, and we will also conquer space."
People in 2024: "I believe the garden of Eden was a real place and definitely not fictional."
Who taught you to repeat that? Its everywhere.
@@smokyquartz5817 looka disss!!! Hoooo.
@@Fightconnoisseur96 you will see one day
Statistically speaking though, 1890s Karolina would have far more likely been a maid in that fancy Victorian mansion than the mistress of it.
x for doubt. our meme mom would have killed as a victorian noblewoman
Given that each household would've had several servants but only one mistress, that's almost certainly true. Though I'd also argue that a lot of the people doing the wailing over the past have rich enough lives that they're in the upwards categories of society even if they're not in the United States' 1%. So the kind of person represented in this video is not gonna be in the lower-level service industry, I don't think. (Not sure where a maid of a fancy mansion fits with regard to service-industry tiers.)
Perfection.
“It’s been 130 years what have you fixed?”
1:43 -- "some of you have never lost five children to typhus and it shows...!" 💯
the pay gap is a lie.
Where I live salaries are monthly and are the same for both in same profession almost irrespective of experience and work hours in other words there is no gap over here.
Also judging from accumulated data and studies there actually isn't a gap when work hours and negotiations are involved (for an hourly wage type of job). People tend to forget job types and all the above and just argue about something that isn't actually real
Its sad really.
The pay gap just doesn't exist anywhere. Not even in arab countries @@Azrael2925
I get paid every fortnight, and guess what? I take home the same amount as my male coworkers.
omg in what world are you living in
@@auraawasneverthere In Australia, from anytime after June 1969 after the equal pay for equal work became legal. If you're still living in a country where your male coworkers who have the same experience, training and hours as you are working are taking home more money, I suggest you move elsewhere. Most Western countries have had equal pay for decades now, so you have plenty of options.
Well, it's not exactly fair to compare an upper class woman with a mansion and maid to a middle class person. There _are_ still filthy rich mansion people nowadays too, and there were dirt poor people back then.
However, the 1890s lady had so many good points XD
no she doesn't, the 1890s woman would get absolutely destroyed if we were serious about this. Especially if we compare her to the top 1% lol
"What have you fixed?"
- has me in literal tears 😂
Love how everytime ppl wanna talk about the oppression of women during the 19th century, they always focus exclusively on middle to higher class white women instead of black women, who were actually suffering during the era
Heh, even this video's counterpoint to "historical women had it so bad" is "well _rich white cis straight women_ didn't have it so bad"
Yeah I didn't get the point of these video. Obviously there are many things we should improve on but you can just make it seem like we didn't progress in a century bc there were some rich people back then living in luxury
@@elviratornay2070 Same. I usually enjoy her videos a lot but this one went over my head.
@@elviratornay2070 same. Normally these videos are fun, but here I was all like “NOT ALL WOMEN IN 1890 WERE RICH AND WHITE.”
Karolina is Polish. She is talking about Polish women. Poland is 97% white even _now,_ can you image how few black women were in Poland back then?
Black women were suffering _in America._ They were not suffering in Poland, because a) most of them weren't even in Poland, and b) Poland never had racial slavery, so the few black women who were there didn't have to deal with any of the issues American black women faced.
How disillusioned must someone be to believe that all women lived that comfortably in the 1890s...
issa jokee obviously this is only a rich 1890s woman's pov
A poor woman's POV would just be sad
@@genericname2747 A poor person's POV would just be sad.
@@viperstriker4728 Yes, but this is a conversation between women. Men and women faced different challenges. Not saying either side had it easier, just that they faced different stuff
Honestly there are many days where I wish I was a rich Victorian lady whose primary objective was to ensure she had the prettiest and most smoothly running household in all the land and I didn’t have to worry about holding down a job AND keeping my apartment clean AND trying to find a man who knows how to do his own laundry
Yeah but depending on genetic lottery, you could also end up a _poor_ Victorian lady whose primary objective is holding down a job ensuring _someone else's_ household runs smoothly, so her own siblings or children don't starve to death, and gets to keep nothing for herself D:
Not to mention that probably none of the men could do their own laundry D:
Girl SAME! Finally someone understands me
Excuse me, running a huge household IS a job and takings care of your house all in one - it's not like one person could've cleaned it all on a Saturday or as if it meant just giving random orders to be fetched one's smelling salts. There really was a gradient of wealth and most people had servants, but still worked hard all day - there was just a lot more work to be done for a household to run smoothly. And even for the richest it would be like a managerial job nowadays (so yeah, some people just cash in the check, but some actually manage). And I mean, finding a man who had a decent income as well as wasn't a complete wanker is probably on par with finding a guy who has a decent job and isn't a complete wanker today. Soooo I mean it's less soul-sucking and most often less physically intense, but like. Not a constant holiday either.
All that being said, same lol
Well you want to be rich,. Regardless of the era
this could SO EASILY be about a modern-day mid-20's woman comparing her life to her great-great grandmother's, and getting ROASTED by the older woman...I'd SO like to see a Part 2 of this video! (and we haven't even TOUCHED on things like air conditioning, running water, cars instead of horses, and airplanes instead of having to ride the train (or an ocean liner) to go any great distance!)
I still don't have air conditioning 😥
They didn't bathe regularly either.
“It’s been 130 years. What HAVE you fixed?”
Me: “We’ve got deodorant now.” *remembers the powder they used works pretty dang well and that the first modern deodorant was trademarked in 1888* Um…hm. 🤔🧐🤯
Speaking of it, I have found you can function totally fine without deodorant. I went deo free this summer and not to be TMI but, I have found I even sweat less. And no icky feeling on your skin. 10/10 would recommend
@@britischenadligen3760 Fascinating!
@@britischenadligen3760 Lmao I live in a tropical country and I assure you choosing to go without deodorant would make into a living bio hazard in about three days XD
@@PawsitivelyQuestionable lol well I guess it works well enough for a moderate climate 😂
Let's discuss the improvements in period products though...
Actually women have achieved equal opportunity and pay for the same job. However, now they've achieved equal opportunity they want equity of outcome. That destroys the motivation to be your best. Those who work harder and more should be rewarded more.