You know I’ve watched every single one of your videos. I can almost sense your disappointment in this video. Thank you for always having honest reviews. Nothing has came out this year that makes me want to change from my Traverse.
The 2 Berger holes are so you can put 2 bolts in & crank them down to keep rest from rotating on just one bolt. The riser cutouts in sight area are changed from 2 sight mount locations to just one, this allowed for more material in riser to accommodate the solid mount of the cable guard.
A lot of people knocking this bow... I told myself I wasn’t even going to try one at SCHEELS and was just going to stick with my Mathews Vertix. I tried it, loved it, brought my vertix in to do a back to back comparison and decided to get one. Found a used one on eBay with 70-80# limbs, and I must have got lucky because once I put my rest on it was a perfect bullet hole right out of the box. I’m pulling 78# at 30” and it feels like I’m pulling my 65# vertix. Plus one perk I like that nobody mentions is the trough cut out of the front of the riser which for me aids in consistent grip when I’m at full draw and let my fingers rest in that groove. I’m shooting 510gr arrows at around 280fps and couldn’t be happier with my groups. 90% let off is such a blessing, I can hold my 5# holding weight all day. That evolve cam system is the smoothest draw cycle I’ve ever felt, and I feel that it makes the perceived draw weight a lot less that what it really is. I couldn’t be happier
There’s no way I want to replace my halon 32 but I do love the look of this bow. Next year I look forward to seeing the next release with a bow that had more time to develop. This bow was thrown together and not that groundbreaking but I love the idea PSE wants to listen to Dudley.
I had to shim my pse nxt 33 for a shoot this last weekend. I found an easy way to swap the shims in a press was to place a piece of painters blue tape below the cam, between the limbs when u r pulling the shims. They stick to it fairly easily. Getting the axle back thru is a pain but if u have a screwdriver that is the exact same size as the axle u can push that thru first to line everything up. I found moving both the top and bottom cam 1 small .20 spacer away from the cable side fixed a 3/4” tear. Initially I moved the big shim and the cam lean was so bad the string stop wouldn’t touch. Had to take it all back apart and reshim. Proving once again that small changes make a big difference in archery
There are lots of bows that do not have adjustable cable guides. I don’t see how this makes it a negative. If you’ve watched Dudley’s “opinion” on why he wanted to make this change you’ll understand.
I know there are, but most of them have yokes or different ways to tune. It's not necessarily a negative, but in my opinion having one that can move aids the tuning process a great deal with this cam system. I've heard his explanation and I totally get where he's coming from. Just an opinion, still a great bow.
Inside Out Precision Totally agree. My apologies if I came off sounding rude. That wasn’t my intention. I’ve been following your TH-cam channel from the start and have picked up a lot from you guys. Keep up the great work and I always look forward to new videos!
When you see the headache hassel this cam tuning system has and then see the bowtech revolt being able to move the cam by turning a screw. Pse seems way behind
@@garedjennings6509 its definitely more of a headache than other shim systems, but the bow responded very well. That being said, I definitely agree that a system more similar to Mathews or Bowtechs would make life easier. However Mathews has a patent on their top hat technology, as does BowTech on the deadlock system, meaning companies either pay them to use it or have to come up with something of their own. Hard out there for bow manufacturers haha!
I did watch John Dudley's video on how he designed the bow .Definitely worth a watch as he explains the arrow rest shape and how it was designed to take the Nock On rest, plus the riser design .I think the bow would work the best if you use all of his products and not try and fit other brands to it. It seems more for the John Dudley fan base and people who just want to use his product. Nice bow though.I am a bit of a PSE fan myself. You should really watch Johns video on this bow before make any judgement's That being said ,this is still a very honest video on how the bow performs and its similarity to the PSE EVO NXT
To say he designed the bow is bit of stretch. He may have added certain features that may or may not make a different to how the bow performs but to say he ' designed ' the riser?? bit of an exaggeration.
Upgraded graphics Give John a some time and he will make some major changes once he has time to work through it - what will come down the pipes for next year???
Nice review. I’ve shot PSE since 2011 and when they went to this cam system, that shimming b.s. is when I gave up on them. If you’re going to shoot this type of system, the Mathews, in my opinion, is the way to go.
The Bow God Correct, however when you pull the axle out the top hats stay in the limbs until you remove them and don’t fall out all over the place and get lost. Also, there the combo of top hats has to equal .175 so there is no guesswork. You use the combo available to get the tune right.
I just feel like tuning with the roller guards like that is like taking air out of a tire to composite for your car pulling going down the road yes it works but you really have a problem that need corrected the correct way
If you watched the video PSE put out they explain why they did all the changes and the roller guard was the average between the best spots engineers picked it should sit at static position
PSE fan, haven't had one BUT, from what they have produced in the past few years, the Evoke LT seems to be the ticket. Just came and went in the spring? This is very similar but the LT is almost a pound lighter. Have an Evoke 31. Love it. Wish they would leave the riser solid in front of the burger hole so a set screw has a place to grip. Like the bow pod holes, great for open ground hunts, other then that nothing special.
If the limbs aren't the same color as the riser,. The only other color that works is black. IMHO. Some of the other things are a step back over the original. Just not worth the extra coin I don't think. Not just for a extra couple of holes and another color.
@ThaReal CLo PSE already does have different Deflection limbs. I don't need to look it up, I am a PSE dealer. But if you meant swapping the limbs, then yes. I missed what you were implying. I am very familiar with the system.
@ThaReal CLo maybe next time you should be a little more specific before you dump something out there for the world to interpret. I've torn down more than my share of bows. I was simply trying to help out others by responding. Just trying to get on the same page here so others have an idea. There are a lot of people out there that are not familiar with PSE, the more we can can, the better for everyone
@ThaReal CLo bub huh. Another keyboard cowboy. We are VERY aware of the limb orientation from PSE. Never once have I said that wasn't the case or that the factory limb position might be wrong. So why didn't you just post that info in the first place for everyones knowledge?
LAS doesn't work like it's supposed to. Most of the target archers who have it on their bows consider it a liability and not a feature. PSE would need to go back to the drawing board to make it rugged enough for a hunting bow.
Like someone else said I'm a Dud fan and appreciate what he's done for the community, with that said I'm not a fan of this bow as a whole. I have watched all his videos about this and understand what he did and I get it..that's cool and all but most Nockon followers I know personally just follow him for the knowledge, not to be sheeple and "WeLl DuD sHoOtS tHiS aNd ThIs AnD tHaT So I aM tOo" lol. Find what works for you and use it, learn it inside and out, apply his teachings and learn to do stuff yourself. I'm not bashing by any means so NTN folks don't faceroll your keyboards ready to fight ahahahaha. Good on Dud being able to do what he's wanted to do for a long time. As far as your your review on this and pretty much everything else man I enjoyed it as always. I happen to agree with your "opinion" on nearly everything most of the time so I thoroughly enjoy your videos and what I consider to some of the most unbiased reviews out there. Thanks brother.
I shot both the NXT 35 and the Black 5. Both are amazing bows and If I had the money I would have bought both. I went with the Prime because the balance was a little better and it seemed harder to torque
@InsideOutPrecision...Can you check the thread/tap size of the lower machined threads in the riser for the "QuickStands" and let me know what they are? If you happen to have some bolts/screws sitting around that you know the thread size on that screw into them, that would be awesome if you could check that out...if not, no big deal...keep up the killer work on the vids, both for reviews and info sessions!
Pretty surprised by the chrono speed for the 450grain, my bear species is remarkably faster with 69# at 28 draw and a third of the price. Probably not as smooth to shoot as the PSE but it looks like this wasn’t that easy to draw from watching this video. Maybe I’ll keep the species a little while longer, the NXT was a front runner for my upgrade.
Considering the following, is my arrow correctly spined? Want to max out my speed, while keeping heavy-ish weight and obviously not damaging my bow w too light a spine. Setup for hogs n deer. Recently setup a PSE drive XL 2020. 60# 30.5 inch draw 31 1/8 inch arrows Gold Tip Hunter XT 300 spine 9.3 GPI 125 grain BH and 25 grain inserts 470 grains total arrow weight 300 spine w/ 12-13% foc, don’t remember the exact %age Shooting 258 FPS Thanks!!
I'd personally cut those arrows a little shorter I'm shooting gold tip Hunter xts 250 spine 27.5 inch arrow with 300 grains in total up front total arrow weight with wrap lighted nock is 616 grains out of a 30 inch 72lb darton ds3900 355ibo bow and fly's like a dart haven't cronographed yet but it's still moving can't wait to see the penetration on deer this year I'm either shoot grim reaper 1 3/8 or rage hypo 125s
I liked the look of NXT, As much your paying PSE should already have the cams shimmed correctly by using a hooter shooter.. takes out human error. Theres not very many proshops that know how to correctly tune a bow using the shim spacers. That's why I feel PSE doesn't do as well. Other Bow manufacturers as well
@@InsideOutPrecision True, I understand the human error, over the dozen or so PSE bows I've purchased. Only a handful of bows I didn't have to shim, 3 bows actually had the limbs in the wrong configuration. I'm just saying a hooter shooter would get it close enough that you wouldn't need to re shim, all you wouldneed is micro adjustments to cables/guard rest ect. It's been experience anyways, as much as a new bow costs and the lack of experienced bow tuners It would go along ways with bow all manufacturers not just PSE.
So it shoots 4 fps faster than a 61lb supra focus with the same weight arrow. How is it the speed has fallen so far from the evolve line? Shot 417gr goldtip velocity xt for 3d all year last year 294fps
Comfort and ease of draw 90% let off.. All these companies saying least vibration and noise ever well yeah most bows now days are 4.5lbs or more heavier bow means less shock personally feel like the bow industry is peaked for now they keep changing small things and acting like it's a world of difference I'm shooting a 2015 bow shoots just as good and quiet as any bow today
I knew this wasn’t going to be the best of reviews. Ever since I saw the broadhead tuning video and you specifically called out JD I knew where it was going. Maybe y’all don’t get along, I don’t know, but it’s obvious there’s a little tension there. Which is sad
Inside Out Precision Good. Changes are in line with his accessories. NaTioN uses what he does. I’m not surprised, works awesome with those accessories.
Hey I work at bass pro shop as a archery technician and I love it but I’m wondering how I could take my technician skills to the next level and eventually work at a pro shop. Do you have any advice ?
Love the way Americans throw the word 'pro' out there every chance they get. For us in the UK we just go to the archery shop/store. If you shoot for a store... You are just a sponsored archer in the UK. If you were a Pro archer in the UK.. That would mean you were paid to be an archer win or loose. We are separated by a common language.
Crossbows are for handicapped people, old people with bad shoulders or weak little girls. John Dudley is neither, so I wouldn't look for a crossbow. Author's note; this comment was written in jest. But for real, get a bow! It's the best!
In the presentation of this bow even dudley seems to be not THAT habby about it. I mean its a big step for his brand and the bow is perfect and he could shoot x all they with every bow.. But i think the next 2-3 years will show.. There will come many more changes i think
Love Dudley and what he as contributed to archery. With that said, not the biggest fan of the color of this bow, lol. To each his own. Dudley is the man.
The main issue is that Mathews has a patent on the top hat system and PSE doesn't want to pay Mathews to use the technology. I get it, but it would make life much easier if they did haha
Its nice that people can actually comment on these videos, while Dudley is a legend it really makes me think less of him for turning comments on his shit off, I want to know what other people think about his gear that actually has it. While I'm sure his switch from hoyt to pse was money driven, which i get, pse doesn't make better bows that hoyt or mathews, that's a fact.
I'm far from expert but I think your drawing techniqe is wrong. I could be wrong too but isn't it easier when your right elbow is level with your left hand? I have only some cheap shitty compound but it's way easier for me to draw with the right elbow level with left hand to minimize leverage of your arm and maximize the torque. Also forgive my english... Thanks for the video.
I really like your videos but if you took 5 mins to watch Dudley explain the changes you could have given a lot better review. Just saying this is different doesn’t really do it justice, most of those changes were so people can fit his preferred accessories to the bow. The elevate rest couldn’t go flat and the sight holes had to be adjusted I think for the sight. That’s also why the riser has the slightly different holes and why the cable guard isn’t adjustable.
I listened to his review but his explanation of why they made the cable guard static didnt make much sense to me. I guess hes assuming everyone who buys the bow will run all the same accessories, but I dont think that will be the case. The nxt has multiple holes for mounting the sight, where this only has one set. I get he had to make it a little different, but I think the changes actually limit the accessories you can put on it as opposed to open up your options. Just my opinion though.
@@InsideOutPrecision This bow is aimed at loyal Nock On Archery Fans only. There is a lot of logic to Johns ideas, but I can see from a bow technicians point of view he has created a lot of challenges for you.I personally wouldn't buy this bow as the NXT is a far better option, if you would want to change to different accessories.
Inside Out Precision I just think it would be helpful for people watching to know why those changes, he’s switching to PSE and it it doesn’t fit the accessories he sells it’s not gonna happen. I bet the next version the engineers will find a way to accommodate both. Was interesting to hear how that makes it tough on bowshops. I’m a big nock on fan, no real plans to get this bow. It’ll be interesting how the partnership turns out.
When I shoot them I get either a bullet hole or VERY close to a bullet hole. That being said, not everyone that comes through the shop has a good grip, anchor, release, etc. We try to address these issues with the shooter, but sometimes their form influences the tune a lot. An experienced shooter with good form usually wont have a lot of issues though.
@@thomasgraham8563 That would be nice but I can tell you from talking to manufacturers that they do not take the time to tune each bow. They have a blueprint that they set them to that seems to be pretty close though
Archers are good little consumers are you saying Dudley was asked to leave Hoyt? You must have some major inside Info because I haven’t seen anything that suggests that.
If you are sayong Hoyt fired him you're nuts. Hoyt's sales have already dropped quite significantly since he left and they knew it would happen. Belive the fact, Hoyt didn't want him to leave.
Go to his website and you can leave all the comments you want. Did you every think that he just doesn't have the time to listen to the Hoyt fans that hate him now.
I think Kellen somehow missed the whole point of the bow. It's a John Dudley limited edition, to be set up with John Dudley products. I am really surprised he didn't get that. Maybe he's not a video addict like me😉
You can tell from the start he didn’t like the bow. And saying the “Kick stand” sticks are there to set the bow down if you don’t have a place to hang it while you shoot... It was designed mostly for hunting from ground blinds...
Nice review! Appreciate the honesty on the cons of tuning the bow.
You know I’ve watched every single one of your videos. I can almost sense your disappointment in this video. Thank you for always having honest reviews. Nothing has came out this year that makes me want to change from my Traverse.
So I wasn't the only one who noticed
Not even the 2020 vxr ? I mean if you had a choice between the two.
The 2 Berger holes are so you can put 2 bolts in & crank them down to keep rest from rotating on just one bolt. The riser cutouts in sight area are changed from 2 sight mount locations to just one, this allowed for more material in riser to accommodate the solid mount of the cable guard.
Yea, doesnt seem like he did much research on the new features and why Dudley changed what he did.
Yes! Thanks for the upload. I've grown to value your uploads over many of the others, and I was wondering about this bow.
A lot of people knocking this bow... I told myself I wasn’t even going to try one at SCHEELS and was just going to stick with my Mathews Vertix. I tried it, loved it, brought my vertix in to do a back to back comparison and decided to get one. Found a used one on eBay with 70-80# limbs, and I must have got lucky because once I put my rest on it was a perfect bullet hole right out of the box. I’m pulling 78# at 30” and it feels like I’m pulling my 65# vertix. Plus one perk I like that nobody mentions is the trough cut out of the front of the riser which for me aids in consistent grip when I’m at full draw and let my fingers rest in that groove. I’m shooting 510gr arrows at around 280fps and couldn’t be happier with my groups. 90% let off is such a blessing, I can hold my 5# holding weight all day. That evolve cam system is the smoothest draw cycle I’ve ever felt, and I feel that it makes the perceived draw weight a lot less that what it really is. I couldn’t be happier
There’s no way I want to replace my halon 32 but I do love the look of this bow. Next year I look forward to seeing the next release with a bow that had more time to develop. This bow was thrown together and not that groundbreaking but I love the idea PSE wants to listen to Dudley.
I had to shim my pse nxt 33 for a shoot this last weekend. I found an easy way to swap the shims in a press was to place a piece of painters blue tape below the cam, between the limbs when u r pulling the shims. They stick to it fairly easily. Getting the axle back thru is a pain but if u have a screwdriver that is the exact same size as the axle u can push that thru first to line everything up. I found moving both the top and bottom cam 1 small .20 spacer away from the cable side fixed a 3/4” tear. Initially I moved the big shim and the cam lean was so bad the string stop wouldn’t touch. Had to take it all back apart and reshim. Proving once again that small changes make a big difference in archery
There are lots of bows that do not have adjustable cable guides. I don’t see how this makes it a negative. If you’ve watched Dudley’s “opinion” on why he wanted to make this change you’ll understand.
I know there are, but most of them have yokes or different ways to tune. It's not necessarily a negative, but in my opinion having one that can move aids the tuning process a great deal with this cam system. I've heard his explanation and I totally get where he's coming from. Just an opinion, still a great bow.
Inside Out Precision
Totally agree. My apologies if I came off sounding rude. That wasn’t my intention. I’ve been following your TH-cam channel from the start and have picked up a lot from you guys. Keep up the great work and I always look forward to new videos!
Man.....thank you....I never knew the roller guard can be used for tuning....thank you
I have a xpedite and stealth
When you see the headache hassel this cam tuning system has and then see the bowtech revolt being able to move the cam by turning a screw. Pse seems way behind
@ThaReal CLo The guy that works on bows for a living was just saying how long it takes to move those cams...
@@garedjennings6509 its definitely more of a headache than other shim systems, but the bow responded very well. That being said, I definitely agree that a system more similar to Mathews or Bowtechs would make life easier. However Mathews has a patent on their top hat technology, as does BowTech on the deadlock system, meaning companies either pay them to use it or have to come up with something of their own. Hard out there for bow manufacturers haha!
@@InsideOutPrecision ohhh i didn't know that!
I did watch John Dudley's video on how he designed the bow .Definitely worth a watch as he explains the arrow rest shape and how it was designed to take the Nock On rest, plus the riser design .I think the bow would work the best if you use all of his products and not try and fit other brands to it.
It seems more for the John Dudley fan base and people who just want to use his product.
Nice bow though.I am a bit of a PSE fan myself.
You should really watch Johns video on this bow before make any judgement's
That being said ,this is still a very honest video on how the bow performs and its similarity to the PSE EVO NXT
Of course the bow was designed to use all of Dudley's products...duh!
I agree
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To say he designed the bow is bit of stretch. He may have added certain features that may or may not make a different to how the bow performs but to say he ' designed ' the riser?? bit of an exaggeration.
Upgraded graphics
Give John a some time and he will make some major changes once he has time to work through it - what will come down the pipes for next year???
Nice review. I’ve shot PSE since 2011 and when they went to this cam system, that shimming b.s. is when I gave up on them.
If you’re going to shoot this type of system, the Mathews, in my opinion, is the way to go.
Completely agree! ^
The Mathews uses tophats which are the same thing as shimming the cams?
The Bow God
Correct, however when you pull the axle out the top hats stay in the limbs until you remove them and don’t fall out all over the place and get lost. Also, there the combo of top hats has to equal .175 so there is no guesswork. You use the combo available to get the tune right.
To much to worry about on these new pse's.not impressed at all
Thanks for a great review. I’m thinking about buying one but the fixed cable guard really puts me off to the point where I think I’d prefer the nxt.
Can’t imagine how it’s so slow???? The Evolve cams put out 343 FPS on the Evolve and Evoke. I know it’s a 7” brace vs 6” but .....wow
Michael Stefano they also changed the limb angle which took some speed out of them.
Also in the yoke there is a hole for a limb driver rest. PSE should go to a roller guard.
I just feel like tuning with the roller guards like that is like taking air out of a tire to composite for your car pulling going down the road yes it works but you really have a problem that need corrected the correct way
Its only meant to take out a very slight tear. You can't compare it to taking air out of tires. It was designed to be able to tune like that.
Great work as always Kellen! I appreciate you brother
If you watched the video PSE put out they explain why they did all the changes and the roller guard was the average between the best spots engineers picked it should sit at static position
Could you please do a PSE nock on EVO NTN 33 vs Hoyt RX-4 ultra
I second that!!
Wow... Shimming sounds like a nightmare. Can't believe they haven't updated that.
Brandon Mcdonald it’s actually pretty easy if u have a press. If u don’t have a press u aren’t going to be tuning a bow anyway.
PSE fan, haven't had one BUT, from what they have produced in the past few years, the Evoke LT seems to be the ticket. Just came and went in the spring? This is very similar but the LT is almost a pound lighter. Have an Evoke 31. Love it. Wish they would leave the riser solid in front of the burger hole so a set screw has a place to grip. Like the bow pod holes, great for open ground hunts, other then that nothing special.
Man, I like watching your videos😎🏹
If the limbs aren't the same color as the riser,. The only other color that works is black. IMHO. Some of the other things are a step back over the original. Just not worth the extra coin I don't think. Not just for a extra couple of holes and another color.
John did a video on tuning the ntn, he said to move the limbs instead of the shims. Probably better to do that.
The NTN does not have the LAS system so you cannot move the limbs. That system is only on the target line of bows
@ThaReal CLo PSE already does have different Deflection limbs. I don't need to look it up, I am a PSE dealer. But if you meant swapping the limbs, then yes. I missed what you were implying. I am very familiar with the system.
@ThaReal CLo maybe next time you should be a little more specific before you dump something out there for the world to interpret. I've torn down more than my share of bows. I was simply trying to help out others by responding. Just trying to get on the same page here so others have an idea. There are a lot of people out there that are not familiar with PSE, the more we can can, the better for everyone
@ThaReal CLo bub huh. Another keyboard cowboy. We are VERY aware of the limb orientation from PSE. Never once have I said that wasn't the case or that the factory limb position might be wrong. So why didn't you just post that info in the first place for everyones knowledge?
@ThaReal CLo yeah, 10-4. That is true!
Nice honest review. I appreciate that. I really enjoy your videos. Where is your shop located?
We just need to see the LAS come into the Evo line up of bows.
LAS doesn't work like it's supposed to. Most of the target archers who have it on their bows consider it a liability and not a feature. PSE would need to go back to the drawing board to make it rugged enough for a hunting bow.
Like someone else said I'm a Dud fan and appreciate what he's done for the community, with that said I'm not a fan of this bow as a whole. I have watched all his videos about this and understand what he did and I get it..that's cool and all but most Nockon followers I know personally just follow him for the knowledge, not to be sheeple and "WeLl DuD sHoOtS tHiS aNd ThIs AnD tHaT So I aM tOo" lol. Find what works for you and use it, learn it inside and out, apply his teachings and learn to do stuff yourself. I'm not bashing by any means so NTN folks don't faceroll your keyboards ready to fight ahahahaha. Good on Dud being able to do what he's wanted to do for a long time.
As far as your your review on this and pretty much everything else man I enjoyed it as always. I happen to agree with your "opinion" on nearly everything most of the time so I thoroughly enjoy your videos and what I consider to some of the most unbiased reviews out there. Thanks brother.
Prime black series vs pse evo nxt series. Whats your views? Im interested in the 31 or 33 from either company
I shot both the NXT 35 and the Black 5. Both are amazing bows and If I had the money I would have bought both. I went with the Prime because the balance was a little better and it seemed harder to torque
Is it possible for you do do a Kure review? I have seen some reviews but I just feel like I’m not getting the full deal from those channels.
@InsideOutPrecision...Can you check the thread/tap size of the lower machined threads in the riser for the "QuickStands" and let me know what they are? If you happen to have some bolts/screws sitting around that you know the thread size on that screw into them, that would be awesome if you could check that out...if not, no big deal...keep up the killer work on the vids, both for reviews and info sessions!
Pretty surprised by the chrono speed for the 450grain, my bear species is remarkably faster with 69# at 28 draw and a third of the price.
Probably not as smooth to shoot as the PSE but it looks like this wasn’t that easy to draw from watching this video. Maybe I’ll keep the species a little while longer, the NXT was a front runner for my upgrade.
He's left handed shooting a right handed bow. The Evolve cams draw incredibly smooth.
TheIngoBeck that’s what I’ve heard
Bear makes amazing bows at good prices. Bear is hugely underrated IMHO.
And Bears are now made in China. So when it flies apart don't be surprised.
This bow is way smoother than any bow Bear puts our
Nice review, while most of the new bows are awesome, that Black5 is still smoking!
Considering the following, is my arrow correctly spined?
Want to max out my speed, while keeping heavy-ish weight and obviously not damaging my bow w too light a spine. Setup for hogs n deer.
Recently setup a PSE drive XL 2020.
60# 30.5 inch draw
31 1/8 inch arrows
Gold Tip Hunter XT 300 spine
9.3 GPI
125 grain BH and 25 grain inserts
470 grains total arrow weight
300 spine w/ 12-13% foc, don’t remember the exact %age
Shooting 258 FPS
Thanks!!
No that's just fine!
I'd personally cut those arrows a little shorter I'm shooting gold tip Hunter xts 250 spine 27.5 inch arrow with 300 grains in total up front total arrow weight with wrap lighted nock is 616 grains out of a 30 inch 72lb darton ds3900 355ibo bow and fly's like a dart haven't cronographed yet but it's still moving can't wait to see the penetration on deer this year I'm either shoot grim reaper 1 3/8 or rage hypo 125s
Double lung thanks for the advice man! Will consider it
Have you reviewed the bow tech Revolt X?
LOL if it was 365 I would buy 2 of them pronto!
I liked the look of NXT, As much your paying PSE should already have the cams shimmed correctly by using a hooter shooter.. takes out human error. Theres not very many proshops that know how to correctly tune a bow using the shim spacers. That's why I feel PSE doesn't do as well. Other Bow manufacturers as well
Yeah but the human error is what your tuning the bow to...most people aren't going to put the same pressure on the grip as a machine.
@@InsideOutPrecision True, I understand the human error, over the dozen or so PSE bows I've purchased. Only a handful of bows I didn't have to shim, 3 bows actually had the limbs in the wrong configuration. I'm just saying a hooter shooter would get it close enough that you wouldn't need to re shim, all you wouldneed is micro adjustments to cables/guard rest ect. It's been experience anyways, as much as a new bow costs and the lack of experienced bow tuners It would go along ways with bow all manufacturers not just PSE.
Does it come with fittings like the stabaliser, arrow rest ect or do these need to be bought separately?
They're sold separately
Best Quiver for NXT in KUIU camo?
Dude where did you get the Prime hat. Can I get one? I shoot the Black 5. Thanks!!
Can you test the bows of apa king cobra or black mamba ?
Greetings from germany 😅
Hard to get my hands on those bows haha!
So it shoots 4 fps faster than a 61lb supra focus with the same weight arrow. How is it the speed has fallen so far from the evolve line? Shot 417gr goldtip velocity xt for 3d all year last year 294fps
Comfort and ease of draw 90% let off.. All these companies saying least vibration and noise ever well yeah most bows now days are 4.5lbs or more heavier bow means less shock personally feel like the bow industry is peaked for now they keep changing small things and acting like it's a world of difference I'm shooting a 2015 bow shoots just as good and quiet as any bow today
take it apart and powder coat or Cerakote in whatever color you want
I knew this wasn’t going to be the best of reviews. Ever since I saw the broadhead tuning video and you specifically called out JD I knew where it was going. Maybe y’all don’t get along, I don’t know, but it’s obvious there’s a little tension there. Which is sad
I have no problem with Dudley at all. I was just surprised that he made the changes he did to the bow.
Inside Out Precision Good. Changes are in line with his accessories. NaTioN uses what he does. I’m not surprised, works awesome with those accessories.
Hey I work at bass pro shop as a archery technician and I love it but I’m wondering how I could take my technician skills to the next level and eventually work at a pro shop. Do you have any advice ?
There really isn't any class or anything, my advice would be to find a reputable shop and see if they have an opening!
Love the way Americans throw the word 'pro' out there every chance they get.
For us in the UK we just go to the archery shop/store.
If you shoot for a store... You are just a sponsored archer in the UK.
If you were a Pro archer in the UK.. That would mean you were paid to be an archer win or loose.
We are separated by a common language.
@@sahhull I don't consider shop shooters to be professional archers in any way, and I'm not sure others do either haha.
Bow is shooting a little faster than the nxt 33 review that you did. Even though there basically the same bow.
Is there going be a Dudley crossbow I got private ranch elk hunt booked for next year 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Crossbows are for handicapped people, old people with bad shoulders or weak little girls. John Dudley is neither, so I wouldn't look for a crossbow. Author's note; this comment was written in jest. But for real, get a bow! It's the best!
What the price on this bow? And do u have left handlers?
Its $1199. No lefties yet!
Evoke vs evo nxt which one is better
Evo nxt
In the presentation of this bow even dudley seems to be not THAT habby about it. I mean its a big step for his brand and the bow is perfect and he could shoot x all they with every bow.. But i think the next 2-3 years will show.. There will come many more changes i think
You can get the carbon in the same color
Yes they make a NTN edition carbon bow too.
Love Dudley and what he as contributed to archery. With that said, not the biggest fan of the color of this bow, lol. To each his own. Dudley is the man.
I always take it personally when you dont respond
Haha I'm not that cool, don't lose any sleep over it!
You make great videos!!!
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What rest is on that bow?
Alex Troska looks like my hamskea trinity
Review the lobo
I reckon pse has been chasing Mathews forna couple years now. They can't directly copy the top hat system so they have to use all those washers lol
The main issue is that Mathews has a patent on the top hat system and PSE doesn't want to pay Mathews to use the technology. I get it, but it would make life much easier if they did haha
Its nice that people can actually comment on these videos, while Dudley is a legend it really makes me think less of him for turning comments on his shit off, I want to know what other people think about his gear that actually has it. While I'm sure his switch from hoyt to pse was money driven, which i get, pse doesn't make better bows that hoyt or mathews, that's a fact.
Dudley left the Hoyt fan boy club dazed and confused. Now even Joe Rogan is switching to a PSE.
Joe just goes with Dudley's recommendation, he doesn't know squat when it comes to bows, and he'll be the first to tell you that!
@@InsideOutPrecision actually Cameron Hanes Got Joe into bowhunting and set him with hoyt, and yes he would go with whatever Dudley recommended
@@peterbuilttough3406 yeah I actually got to meet Joe when he and Cam came into the shop the first time to get set up. Cool guy!
I'm far from expert but I think your drawing techniqe is wrong. I could be wrong too but isn't it easier when your right elbow is level with your left hand? I have only some cheap shitty compound but it's way easier for me to draw with the right elbow level with left hand to minimize leverage of your arm and maximize the torque. Also forgive my english... Thanks for the video.
Listen to the video, he's left handed shooting a right hand bow. So of course technique will suffer.
I really like your videos but if you took 5 mins to watch Dudley explain the changes you could have given a lot better review. Just saying this is different doesn’t really do it justice, most of those changes were so people can fit his preferred accessories to the bow. The elevate rest couldn’t go flat and the sight holes had to be adjusted I think for the sight. That’s also why the riser has the slightly different holes and why the cable guard isn’t adjustable.
I listened to his review but his explanation of why they made the cable guard static didnt make much sense to me. I guess hes assuming everyone who buys the bow will run all the same accessories, but I dont think that will be the case. The nxt has multiple holes for mounting the sight, where this only has one set. I get he had to make it a little different, but I think the changes actually limit the accessories you can put on it as opposed to open up your options. Just my opinion though.
@@InsideOutPrecision This bow is aimed at loyal Nock On Archery Fans only. There is a lot of logic to Johns ideas, but I can see from a bow technicians point of view he has created a lot of challenges for you.I personally wouldn't buy this bow as the NXT is a far better option, if you would want to change to different accessories.
Inside Out Precision I just think it would be helpful for people watching to know why those changes, he’s switching to PSE and it it doesn’t fit the accessories he sells it’s not gonna happen. I bet the next version the engineers will find a way to accommodate both. Was interesting to hear how that makes it tough on bowshops. I’m a big nock on fan, no real plans to get this bow. It’ll be interesting how the partnership turns out.
Totally understand!
I'll Stick with my Mathews but thanks.
You could buy a turd, paint it flo-green and sell it as a cover scent to those sheep...
honestly... Dudley showing that he is 6/6 one shot bullet holes on tuning kinda makes me question this info..
I would think PSE would send him bows that are pretuned to a point. If I was production manager of PSE. I would.
When I shoot them I get either a bullet hole or VERY close to a bullet hole. That being said, not everyone that comes through the shop has a good grip, anchor, release, etc. We try to address these issues with the shooter, but sometimes their form influences the tune a lot. An experienced shooter with good form usually wont have a lot of issues though.
@@thomasgraham8563 That would be nice but I can tell you from talking to manufacturers that they do not take the time to tune each bow. They have a blueprint that they set them to that seems to be pretty close though
That bright green string with the color of that bow looks hideous. I agree with you string would look better if it was black
I actually really like it
You can get a black string.
Dudely going to be mad at you for knocking his bow....lol
LOL!!
He’s not knocking his bow, that was just an honest review!
I dont think I could ever draw 70lb left handed.
I shoot 72 out of my triax and i could probably only shoot 60 left handed
Too many damps on that bow.. and the color scheme is hideous...
Leaving vs being asked to leave a company are two different things.
Archers are good little consumers are you saying Dudley was asked to leave Hoyt? You must have some major inside Info because I haven’t seen anything that suggests that.
If you are sayong Hoyt fired him you're nuts. Hoyt's sales have already dropped quite significantly since he left and they knew it would happen. Belive the fact, Hoyt didn't want him to leave.
Bowtech deadlock
@ThaReal CLo th-cam.com/video/8GPB8kU3fZk/w-d-xo.html No bow press needed.
@@BlueWidow2010 Or Elite's TES.
@@Buran01 I will check that out. Thanks.
Tell dudley to turn on his youtube comments.....
Yup he never criticism well
LOL that will never happen. His fan boys are here in the comments for him.
Go to his website and you can leave all the comments you want. Did you every think that he just doesn't have the time to listen to the Hoyt fans that hate him now.
Enjoy your videos but, maybe do some more research before you try to talk about a bow.
I think Kellen somehow missed the whole point of the bow. It's a John Dudley limited edition, to be set up with John Dudley products.
I am really surprised he didn't get that.
Maybe he's not a video addict like me😉
@@TheMaxtor001 same😁😁
You can tell from the start he didn’t like the bow. And saying the “Kick stand” sticks are there to set the bow down if you don’t have a place to hang it while you shoot... It was designed mostly for hunting from ground blinds...
@@Ranger.Vt. 👍
Really pointless changes. Just to up charge bow to 1100$ not worth that at all. Plus the color combo looks like shit
John dude ya contract was up. Pse paid a pretty penny for him. Guy is not promoting pse for free.
1100$ for a slow bow on top of if
I just think you're jealous.
And don't like green. That's weid.
This creator broadhead tunes the opposite way JD does. Not worth listening to. This kid doesn’t doesn’t understand basic flight principles.
You are not buddies with Levi Morgan lol. If you wanna hop on a call and watch me literally do this live, I will do that.
Also I’m 36 buddy. If there’s a kid in this convo it’s the person finding videos that are 3 years old and throwing shade lol