Raptors Insiders GRILLING Masai Ujiri's TRADE... | Toronto Raptors News
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- The Toronto Raptors former star Pascal Siakam has been absolutely DOMINANT in the first round of the NBA Playoffs this year against the Milwaukee Bucks, and now Raptors insiders Josh Lewenberg, Michael Grange and more have been expressing their displeasure with the trade. Ben Rogers breaks down the criticism and whether or not it is warrented.
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The problem wasn’t the trade, the problem was the TIMING of the trade. They basically traded their best player when he was worth the least. They sold WAY low. All because the front office misplayed their hand LAST year and weren’t able to identify that the team needed to rebuild around Barnes LAST year. They got lucky in finding a trade partner for Anunoby that was almost certain they could resign him. But…they lost FVV for nothing and Siakam for FAR less than he’s worth. Asset management like that is the way you become a bad team.
Barnes isn't and wasn't that guy ...however I agree about the timing
siakam destroyed his value by telling teams he wont resign, this what happened when masai was loyal to him and didnt trade him after the bubble or tampa
As soon as Scottie won Roty they should’ve started tearing it down..
Everyone of the media unlikely yourself for dog it on barn so hard that everyone is calling call Kimberly bus, so I’m not sure how anyone with a saw his third year we coming
@@oddynuff96 definitely....but trading scottie is better suited once he is on his extension
Love the overreactions lmao like we had a stretch 5 like Miles Turner at C when Pascal was here lmao
how these guys have jobs is mind boggling.
I think we will do awesome with these picks. Let’s see what happens
fax pascal and Og where lower picks then the ish we have now..
I agree that the team came up short on the trade front for Spicey P.
Let me point out that the team is being shadowed by one board member 'Edward Rogers' who is a big anti-Masai and basketball person. He also led the charge against MLSE seeking out a WNBA team. So 'Larry Tanenbaum' reduced his ownership percentage, took a top Female Raptors Executive and is now heading a new move forward for a pro WNBA team for Toronto.
FYI after being a 30 year Rogers Customer I am now seriously considering leaving them for a new cellphone provider.
Watch the raptors draft another player as good as pascal siakam with the late 1st round pick
Besides making the right call with drafting Barnes the Raps have not drafted anyone useful since 2017 when they selected OG with the 23rd pick.
@crisg2295 what did you expect from late 1st and 2nd rounders?
I think Koloko would've been serviceable if not for health reasons.
@@crisg2295 i would argue banton was great for 45th pick
@@ArSaGa15True. But it's how they used him that made it sad, especially when they need a backup. Banton coming off the bench for Quick would have been sweet.
Ulrich chomche
your personal take on this is spot on IMO Ben. Josh & co are kind of playing both sides by criticizing front office for not getting more but then congratulating P on his future "bag." I mean, it's precisely the pricetag on that bag that ultimately led to FO choosing to move OG & Pascal in favor of a youth movement. I think they legitimately believed the team was going to achieve greater things to start the season and were willing to enter a tax era if the team with OG/P etc looked like an emerging threat in the East. unfortunately, we simply didn't have the right pieces. That's when players leave town. At least we got reasonable returns for them. The media critiques were similarly from the position of privlaged spectator when FVV walked for nothing last year. FO will never score a pure win with the local media unless we raise a Larry again. Damned if you do damned if you don't. They consider it their job to critique and that's their right. I just hope they still remember to celebrate in between the relatively ignorant (not meant insultingly just plain facts) articles they write which lack a behind the scenes knowledge of the actual options facing the franchise. C'est la vie. Great to see OG & P thriving.
Cheers
FYI in order to keep Pascal it would have put the team way over the Cap allowed and that is even he chose to remain in Toronto.
Hey Ben. Been keeping up with you while in Spain.
Not a fumble… his defense is suspect now… bad match up for bucks… Indiana’s offer would be the best available since Siakam would only be traded to a team that would sign for the max. If we don’t sign him to the max, he would have signed somewhere else.
Thank you for bringing this up. The reason hes averaging the high numbers is because the bucks are literally the worst defensive team in the playoffs next to the pacers. Love siakam not trying to bash him but this is getting ridiculous.
Its a Fumble.. We could have hold out for some better return . Pacer were desp.erate after OG got Traded to New York. If we could simply not Trade him we should have paid him and trade him Down the Line. Masai is mixing business with Family.. He thinks Abaji.. Has upside.. The Jazz would not have given him up if they saw something we do. This Trade will look bad unless the 19 Pick Turn out yo be a starting caliper player as soon as year one. Masai does not even care when he messes up anymore... You can see he is a different guy from before always laughing about mess up when question. Management is Happy with him also because.. MLSE is making a ton of Cash.. wish is their entire objective. Fans can only be taken for a ride for so long.
The pascal situation was dragged on for too long and just needed to come to an end. There’s a bunch of delusional fans that believe pascal was going to resign for some average deal . Masai knows more than any fan or these “insiders” in terms of what pascal was looking for and he moved him because he likely knew it was supermax money that he didn’t want to give him. Also people think you can just give out supermax deals like that without sitting down with guys like Ed Rogers. Those guys likely didn’t want to invest that kind of money into pascal after missing the playoffs and being 500 team this season. Masai probably just wanted to move on after pascal messed up all his deals by telling teams he’s not resigning with them.
pascal is a great defender yall have no idea what youre talking about
@@andrei4617 Exactly. Last year, Bucks had two great defenders - Giannis and Jrue. For these last two games, they have nobody. Especially no-one who can guard Pascal. Giannis, a perennial DOPY candidate, would be draped all over him.
Everyone forgets Spicy was a nobody when we drafted and developed him, we specialize in developing...we will find a hidden gem in the rough as always.
Theres a bunch of talk about siakam trade right now. The only way this doesn't end up looking like the worst trade by Masai ever is
A- if our picks turn out to be studs.
B- if we swing in and sign him in free agency this summer
95 per cent of fans wanted him gone ... i stood fast and supported pascal ...honestly we dont deserve him and he will show everyone just how talented he is ! Lets gooooo
The correct move was to trade him a year prior.
and you were a fan boy that was wrong, the correct move was to trade him before he lost value
Siakams #1 glazer
Ryan Dunn, Keyshawn George, ulrich chomche, Izan almansa. These are all dudes who might be there at 31st pick this year. Nevermind who’s at 19! We will be fine.
Good for Pascal, I’m rooting for him in the playoffs. But let’s wait more than 1 game against a team missing their mvp caliber player before rushing to conclusions
I do agree the pascal trade was a little of a underpay we could have got more for him
Bro you guys realize those pick are are higher draft pick then oj and pascal lol 😂 masai show. He gets busy with any pick why y’all tripping lol we good 😂
it’s tough… but we were past the point of a bag fumble when going into this season. especially since spicy was telling teams he wouldn’t resign. i personally think we should have resigned him… but again, scottie is our guy. he needs reps as the guy.
In all due respect "could be one of the best defenders in the NBA" could very well end up to be true. I'm honestly at a loss when it comes to the majority of the moves Masai has made starting immediately after they won that ship. Guess we'll have to wait and see tho. I just wish for once he could get a superstar of some sort to play alongside Scottie because I honestly feel that with a star PG and center to rotate with quickly and poetle at an even rate would have the raptors relevant again without hindering Immanuels development or breaking Jacob in the process🤷🏼♂️
Main stream media were to attached to are championship players There all just sad at this point
Everyone should know by now that Josh Leweberg doesnt know what he is talking about. Pascal has been averaging 14 since the first 2 games.
Way too early to call Bruce Brown a fumble, he's a valuable role player on a huge team controlled expiring contract..he has value still. The off-season will really determine if that was a fumble.
The trade wasn't a fumble. Time will tell with our picks.
Those picks are gonna be ass
It was obvious when the trade happened that Masai mismanaged the siakam situation. We'lll see what he can do with the picks and in free agency to recover but the front office has been struggling since the championship season.
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The problem wasn't just with the Siakam trade. It was with how the franchise allowed player after player from the 2019 team to go for nothing. My gripe is how they haven't been able to remain play off competitive since. A championship organization should have the resources to be able to do so and at least replace players with similar caliber counterparts. However, I think Masai wanted to make bold moves, but Raptors' owners didn't want to commit to such big moves.
First of all - the year after Kawhi left they increased their win percentage
@@jeffreym.8957and... so what? That's not a flex.
Spicey had 13pts last game.👍
Masai got little for Kyle, nothing for Fred and sold Pascal for a low return which will result in a slower rebuild.
Josh is so late to the party.
My question to him is, if the pacers lose pascal in free agency, will this be a more fair trade?
I think we sign Spicy P in off season. Are team would be crazy with the picks and Spicy P back. Though's Ben?
We can't afford him.. Quickley is gonna get like..25 million..barrets 25.. barnes next year gonna get 40...poetl is 20... siakam gonna get max so 45 or whatever...thats over the salary cap with just the starting lineup
Makes 0 sense anymore, we don’t own his bird rights.
@@chadwellington2524 i was looking at the salary cap. I think we can pull it off
It was a crap trade when it happened. Pascal was averaging 22.2 points, 6.3 rebounds and 4.9 assists when traded while playing in an offense that neutralized his strengths making him a secondary option. When trading and All Star/All NBA type of player a team should get an All Star player in return or a starter plus Lottery pick(s) and/or young talented players. The Pacers gave Toronto none of that and instead gave them some bench fodder (Brown, Lewis Jr, Nwora) plus 3 non Lottery draft picks aka magic beans. The Raps traded one of those magic beans and Lewis Jr for Olynyk and Ogbaji. As the trade stands now: Pascal for Brown, Olynyk, Ogbaji, Nwora, 2024 #19 and 2026 FRP TBD. OG, a lesser player, brought back 2 starters: RJ and IQ.
nice to see you guys being optimistic but trading pascal was a monumental disaster
Good. It's time Masai took some heat for his horrible decisions.
Havent been happy with any of the moves besides barrett and quickley the rest i really couldnt care. I like agbaji defensively but not much offense
Yeah everyone loves Pascal Siakam now that he is showing greatness on other teams PASCAL SIAKAM WAS ALWAYS GOOD AND THE BEST PLAYER ON THE Toronto Raptors EVERY YEAR SINCE HE WAS IN ROTOTION. But because he wasn’t as marketable as the pretty boys you guys wanted what his name Ben Simmons. We and the Media always knocked on Pascal we never have anything good to say so tell these MF to Shut the hell up. This move was to show Canadians and Americans that Pascal Siakam is a superstar and he is still the best player on the Pacers but they better recognize it because he will be another shadow player. Give this man his flowers and respect ✊ because he is that good.
Darko is not good coach. Ben Can you do a video on why Darko is good for the Raptors with results 《Winning) as our main objective? Not for his temperament or even holding guys accountable but simple about results.? Take into account that Nick Nurse quess out 41 Wins out of a roster that was not much better than the one we have.
Agreed darko sucks but they make excuses for him
look I think we all know if we are honest pascal siakam is much better than scottie barnes at this point in their careers. that wasnt the issue. it was giving scottie barnes more reps so he can develop and in a few years if his ball handling improves, he can be as good or better than siakam offensively. the issues with what raptors got for siakam is really a product of siakam sabotaging his trade value and teams not wanting to give up alot with siakam saying he wont sign with other teams if he is traded but rather explore the free agent market. so if ya want to blame anyone for the value they got back for siakam, blame siakam himself.
Ben should be doing Josh's job over there at TSN living in the 6 with those toronto shorties I've been saying it for years ben when they call you up dont forget about me eh I will be you your manager I want 5%
He wanted a comment from our team he woulda sign that contract but our cheap owners didn't wanna offer a contract so masai had to trade him trust me he didn't wanna trade him. The only mistake was we didn't get kumiga
The owners unwilling to go into tax is the major issue.
Raptors have been playing in the margins.
Other teams have known the Raps are screwed.
Lewenberg and Grange would be crying foul if Masai re signed Pascal to a max. We tries Pascal as oir main guy for over 3 years and it never worked. If we kept Pascal at the max we would never have the ability to sign or draft a player better than him to make him into a #2 option.
Maxing Pascal or extending him should never have been an option. Trading him a year earlier should have been the right play but Masai gave to much faith to the core of Fred and Pascal because of his championship nostalgia.
I love pascal but do you want him on the foul line with a big game on the line 😓
I said it at the time, DO NOT TRADE our team legend who doesn't want to leave.. the corrupt Masai not only traded Siakam, but the return was scandalous, everyone trying to justify it had lost all logic.. but now y'all see don't you? the disaster.
NO the move should’ve been trading pascal earlier
@@oddynuff96 yes.. or that.
We can only have an accurate assessment in 2 years. Depends what contract Siakam gets and what happens with the picks. If Pacers loose, all these discussions become irrelevant
I think we could have got more for PS but he was not going to sign with us (we were not going to pay him $$$$$) and Spicy P was happy to go to the Pacers
The fit with Scotty was not great either
That's just not true. Pascal and Barnes fit together well. They were 2 of only eight players in the NBA averaging at least 22 ppg, 6 rebs and 5 ast when they were paired together.
We could Draft Zach Eddie in the draft and that alone would mean we fleeced Indy. Siakum is a good player but it's not enough. Wasn't enough for your team doesn't look to be enough for Indiana either.
The Pascal trade was a win for the raptors.. yall keep forgetting the raptors made Pascal for what he is today. Scotty Barns is way better than Pascal in his rookie days, I don't even think there's a comparison. Just watch Barnes develop into a monster!
The Pacers fleeced the Raps. Yeah, because there wasn't room for both players on the roster- huh?
@@IceManLikeGervin The raptors won the trade buddy.. move on!
@@TMoneyWave If you say so... oh mighty great one 😎. All the best.
What happened to the raps having the best gm and coach in the league??? The grilling is just getting started. The decisions made by Masai and co. since the championship have left this franchise in a tough spot. Just wait till the lottery. If we don't keep our pick and give up number 7 for jak.... 😬 Raps management is going to get lit up by mainstream media. Aside from the scottie pick, it's been a lot of misses from Masai since 2020.
Siakam could score 100 points per game and win the championship 10 times in a row, but it was never going to happen here, and we were not going to get a better deal for him. People need to get over this.
We would have done much better if we traded him last season
@@vintagepimpage6049 But we weren't in a position to do so - they were trying to win - hence why they added a veteran point guard. But I guess that's a decision that can be criticized.
These guys are idiots. Buck dont even have Giannis. The reaction to 2 games and only one win in the the first round of the playoffs against a short handed team is a little over board. Pascal is putting up nice numbers for sure, but this is still an over reaction. Imagine having a maxed Pascal, Maxed rookie extension on Barnes RJ;s contact and trying to resign quickley. Youre in the tax already and you have 4 players. These dudes just cant move on from Siakam is kinda pathetic at this point. Also they never track the entirety of the trade which hasnt compeltely panned out until you see what players are aquired in the draft, everyone also seems to forget about the 26 first round pick we also aquired in the trade... So the Siakam trade; Brown, Nwora, Kelly, Agabaji, 2024 first round pick, 2026 first round pick(top 4 protected). When we see what those draft picks pan out to be you cant fully access the trade. If brown gets flipped into something(first round pick?) that adds onto the tracking of the trade.. These trades value are not always determined by the intial move..
Well said!👏👏👏 the media is idiots.
The pacers beat the buks with giannis 3 times
So a bunch of pine riders and role players for a top 15 player ?? Ur math is way off
I mean Brown,Nwora, Kely, Agjabi is pretty much nothing... couldnt we have just signed olynk in off season? So we pretty much traded siakam for 19th pick this year and a late first rounder in 2026 (Pacers will resign siakam and be a top 5 team in east for next few years)
@@chadwellington2524 agreed
Pascal could of stayed. Brown gotta go. release him or trade him for a pick to Portland, Throw in Bouche. Clean house
So far Raptors has 0 -10 for Pascal trade . On draft night that number could go up or even into the minus
Thank for no mentioning Gradey, everything is good in moderation
Plrase you ask for a Pascal Siakam trade. You got it and now you are complaining.
This just shows how stupid our meadia is, the team is not completed yet. This is embarrassing we have such idiots in the media...smh
Says the people who were shitting on Siakam
Are u happy with giving pascal 250m???
Ya well they coulda probably had Jalen Johnson last summer if Pascal didn't purposely tank his trade value. Of course all you Siakam Stans are gonna let that slide.
The team was a bust when things fell apart last year, around the time we lost the play-in. Then Van Vleet left to big contract elsewhere. Coach walked /got fired? Remember, Siakam was sporadic at best, OG was underpaid. Getting nothing for Van Vleet IS the Biggest mistake. The rest was inevitable (btw Indian will lose in the first round,, just wait and see.). Only the future will tell but, Siakem was obviously overpaid and getting rid of him for picks was the best option. The future looks bright with Barns, especially if we can develop a pick.....
Masai even messed up the Lowry trade.
These trades were good. Lowry was going to miami either way
fire masai
We all know pascal is an all nba player. This foesnt prove anything regarding a long term cap/timeline/fit decision
Siakam was no longer a fit after you got into a rebuild. He needs a Max and as a second option at best it was not a supermax that fit the timeline.
Masai spends more of his time and effort on Basketball Africa and the Giants of Africa program than he does the Raptors. What sealed it for me that it is time to move on from him was the acquisition of Ochai.
It bugs me because he is the son of one of Masai's best friends and obviously someone Masai has known for decades. He isn't that talented, yet here he was in the starting lineup of an NBA team for multiple times this season. Why? How?
Lmaooo as if we was going to keep Pascal and pay him $50/million a year!!
Take the good with the bad Raptors fans. Yes Siakam is better than Brown, Nwora and picks. The Raptors didn't want to pay Siakam 280M over 5 years. Everyone knows this. The OG trade was a big win. The Knicks won't be happy with OG's deal in 2-3 years.
The Agbaji trade was a steal. Shedding Dennis' salary was a win.
More moves coming. End result should be a much improved team going forward.
Giannis wouldn’t let him get more than 15-18 ppg. Come on guys. Yes he’s good but he wasn’t going to get any better or take us very far in the playoffs. He’s not your 1A and you don’t want the ball in his hands at the end of a game. Doesn’t hit free throws, can’t shoot 3’s into the ocean, doesn’t have a clutch gene. He just doesn’t.
He was with the team for 7-8 years. That’s enough time to prove himself.
We're building for the future not to try to win now. Trade was solid, in Masai we trust.
Comparing Pascal to Wilt over 2 game span is such lazy reporting and so meaningless. These 2 reporters clearly don't like Masai. Sportsnet needs to hire people who actually know basketball and put actual effort into reporting it, especially when it comes to Josh Leweberg
The fans and media are idiots ...next big miss is these goofs yourself included that barnes is a franchise player 😅
Remember when the stans thot that ft merchant fake manufactured allstar derozan was a franchise player? Remember when they were mad at the kawhi trade lmfao good times
@@fluworldorder426 ironically derozan stans are now fred/siakam stans
Typical NBA reporters always riding on the wagon when things are great but when they aren't they are so quick to start throwing him under the bus but only behind their keyboard though never to his face because they know what would happen.
LMAO, insiders. Win. Won't win with Siakam as #1. OG too expensive and wanted to move to NYC. Timing off, and Masai and others gave them a chance this year to see if they could compete. Decided no and 1/3 into season decided reset with 22-23 year olds. Get with it, timing showed Masai loyalty. Don't be surprised to see offers for PS and OG when they are UFA's.
I don't like current Raptors insiders like Chris Walder and the like. Feels like everyone's just trying to dunk on the franchise for Clicks and Engagements. Are they here for us? Or for the people who hate us already?
Facts are facts for what ever Reason they share thier views.. The question is .. are they wrong or do they make Valid points.We went from a Chip in 2019 to missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 5 years.. do the Math.. this is negligence as Clear as day... on Masai and Bobbies watch. The Media has been too kind to those at the top like Masai and Bobby.
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To call it negligence is quite over the top.
Post chip we were very competitive.
Then tampa, where we got Scottie.
We used Fred and Pascal until Scottie was ready.
Now we have IQ and rj.
Make what ever narrative you want, the raptors were not negligent. Pascal is a legit player and was worth investing in at the time.
Siakam only plays well against scrubs if Giannis was playing he would not be doing what he’s doing.
I have being saying this for so long men. Ujiri and Webster are losers, sucks, incompetent at their jobs. They took a franchise that took 30 years to get somewhere and fold it a matter of 2 season. Fire fire fire .
I didn't want to lose Pascal. I don't think it was as high as 95% of fans, but I guess it no longer matters. I hope he continues to play like he has been in the playoffs. I am cheering for the Pacers and Spicy P! Kick butt Pascal!
Raptor to0 cheap acting like pascal don't deserve a max
Pacers will win the ECF and siakam will be mvp. That is my prediction. And masai will be fired in the summer.
That would be best for the Fans..
Pacers aint getting to the finals…
And then you woke up and realized you were dreaming. lol.
Top ten nominated for dumbest post!
this how delusional siakam stans are 😂😂
Man, Raptors fans are the worst
It's funny how you guys all wanted to get rid of Pascal for so long, now you see him playing good and you want him back, you guys are really not true Raptors fan, you're all fakes and frauds, get out of here with that garbage, you people make me laugh😅
Bro you need to chill. Watch Masai get a late pick for Brown at the draft. Siakiam is lucky Giannis is injured. We needed to trade him. I still think he's overrated.