I went through this in boxing. It was frustrating. I had an old-man really old school coach who was obsessed with people being as light as possible. I was 16, had pretty good muscle built up, and was at 9% body fat and he wanted me to lose 12lbs. I told him that I felt really comfortable at my weight and if anything I would rather put on some more muscle and go up a weight class and he basically disowned me and wouldn't train me directly anymore. It was a really disheartening experience being that I was an impressionable teenager.
That’s horrible. He’s thinking only of himself, not your best interest. A teenager is still growing and he’s effectively actively messing with your development by doing that. Coaches like that should ashamed of themselves, especially with teenagers.
Jyst ignore him and fight in whatever weight category you're in. He thinks you can't fight someone taller with longer reach. Just go into the ring and fight to show him wrong
hahaha I have the exact same type of boxing coach, hes super old too but I respect him a lot. Im light enough as it is though so its all good but its so annoying because Im really slap bang in the middle of weight classes in every damn sport.
Emp6ft10in there’s some coaches that learn. My wrestling coach wouldn’t let some people wrestle if they cut too much weight, since he put the wrestlers in their weight in prior to the match.
Cut weight but don't skip meals or liquids Even as a kid in peewee wrestling I knew that I needed caloric fuel to win, and watched in horror as fellow wrestlers self-starved for weeks and were defeated by a well fed opponent
Off topic to this video but watching it made me realize something: We’re quarantined so I can’t go out. That means nobody will see me. That means for the first time ever, I can try to grow out my beard a little bit and see if it’ll look as cool as Ramsey’s. Hmmmm wish me luck
I think this highlights an overarching principle that I think a lot of people ignore. Strategically, it's best to take the hard road - i.e, training consistently and diligently. Tactically however, the easy road is usually the best, i.e - reducing anxiety by going up a weight class in this instance, using smart technique over brute force when possible (which usually makes it easier to pull off) etc.
amateur level olympic weightlifter here - have competed locally in Malaysia as well as in Singapore where I got 2nd place at the Singapore Weightlifitng Open in the U61kg weight class. I will generally cut about no more than 2 kg prior to any competition i take part in now. My very first weight cut was when I was competing as a U56kg and I was about 58kg normally. Losing that 2kg took me about a month and it was TORTURE. My last night i had to go to a sauna, and i generally didnt eat any rice or bread type carbs fo r a month .I suppose WL is kinda of different because you only make six lifts and it's not an endurance sport, so you can afford to be a bit more aggressive in your weight cut. Even if you do lose strength, you do actually feel faster and in some ways more energetic having lost weight. Usually now i float around 62kg and will cut quite easily to U61kg over the course of the two weeks leading up to the competition by just substituting rice for green vegetables and cutting out my usual cakes and desserts that i do love so much. I do see people try to do really aggressive and stupid weight cuts and see them on the rower in a hoodie on the day of the competition. They dont always make it and if they do they are so exhausted that they usually do terribly. I feel that at amauteur level, it really doesnt matter too much about being a +- 1 weight class up or down. I see people in lighter weight classes outpreform heavier dudes all the time. It's best just to preform in the set of skin you feel best in.
I feel like it's easier to eat less and lose weight and fat by simply working out hard and being in a caloric deficit. Building up more weight in terms of just muscle is harder, unless you're on performance enhancing drugs
You're right☝ but that being said I still prefer to walk around at a heavier weight which also gives me a higher fat percentage simply because the power I''ll gain really outweighs the slightly less visible ab aesthetics
@@RamseyDewey off topic entirely but something I thought you might like to comment on, considering your recent video where he featured briefly. I am talking about the infamous Tai Chi Tube of course. Here are some comments of his.... "By the way I doubt a BJJ black belt could even out wrestle me on a padded floor with striking forbidden." "I have terrible stamina but I'm pretty sure I could go for 5 or 10 mins in a gym with any wrestler in the world and not get submitted." "I'm at that level thanks to Kung Fu plus natural ability, and in recent years I tested this theory by training with a 2 time British Olympic Judoka for a few hours and it was a complete stalemate for as long as we both focused." You will notice during this comment he doesn't actually mention this Olympic judoka by name. Your thoughts on this man? Maybe he rather than master wong is worth another video. Honestly his comments are comedy gold, the delusion is strong with this one. We could do with some more laughs during this time though I did think your last point on your recent April first master wong vid was actually 100% valid. When legit guys like fight perfect tv get banned and Master Wong exists despite making a video that encourages his young viewers to choke out their friends you do wonder about youtubes rules.
As a wrestler the 145 guys were too fast for me, so I went up to 152 and it worked out great, I was faster than them and strong enough to handle them. The 160 guys were just too big for me. However something I noticed is that 145 is still kinda skinny, 152 the guys are legitimately strong, and then 160 guys are a little bit overweight.
It really depends on how far you are from the weight limit, and how easily you found a way to cut. You should never cut in an uncontrolled way, but following the advice of a doctor. No starving, dehydrating, ecc, that's suicide wish. I mean, if you're just 1-2 kilos (2-4 pounds) over the limit of the weight class, it's MUCH easier to lose those 4 pounds, rather than fighting people who are 10/15 pounds heavier, or bulking up 15 pounds yourself, wich might prove difficult to some people. Generally speaking, it would be healthier to lose 4 pounds and then be relatively the heaviest of the lower division, but quicker than your normal self, than the other way around. However, trouble starts when you're really halfway between weight classes with much difference between each other. Ramsey is right, in that perspective, it could be better to go up a weight class than starving yourself hoping to fight easier opponents
In my competition they where not strict at all. I was 93kg at the time and its either competing against 95+ kg guys or cut down to 88kg. I was 18 years old at the time and made the stupid decision to cut down. It was a competition that used adcc rules. So on competition day i stepped on the scale and made exactly 88kg. 4 other guys also made weight but there was the last guy. I remember it as it was yesterday. He was 92,7kg. They did not say a word. We all were eligable to compete. I won my first match by a darce choke and lost the second match to exactly this guy. The weight cut fucked my stamina up. I gassed so damn quick. After every scramble i was breathing heavy. Next time i will make sure that i step in with my actual weight that is for sure. Lesson learned i guess
Eat a slight caloric surplus. Hit your macro-nutrient needs. Train, train, train. Weight be damned, it'll take care of itself. That said, if I had to choose, I'd move up. It absolutely sucks cutting weight and losing strength and potential.
Also, eating a bit more and complementing his bjj-training with a bit of weightlifting he could gain 1 kg of muscles reducing his potential weightdisadvantage in le light heavyweigth clas
I started my Martial arts training with 'German Jiu Jitsu' or 'Ju-Jutsu' about 20 years ago and from my perspective now i can't recommend it for self defense or any type of Mixed Martial Art competitions. But the German JJ association (DJJV) host some fun fighting competitions as well. I would compare it to Aikido, most 'actions' are staged and without real pressure and it's really hard to use them in a real combat situation. The german police used it for a long time, but even they switched to Krav Maga, BJJ and Wing Chun.
Hey Ramsey, what's the best way to put on weight for boxing without getting fat? I'm also between weight divisions, but decided to go up to 81kgs but don't want to put on useless weight. Many years ago I used to do weightlifting, and was about 84, but I was told that not all weights are good for boxing.
Are you doing a lot of strength training to build muscle? Is it easier for you to lose fat-weight than gain muscle? Is speed better for you than power?
Ramsey love your channel i have a question for you. At my kickboxing gym they teach that you should keep your ab mucles tight when sparring.what is your opinion on that? Should you always tighten your abs the whole time or is it something you would not do at all? Respect and greetings from the Netherlands osu!
I cannot go out there and train- i' im full quarantine Ramsay due to Covid ! Still perfectly healty but blocked insime my home. Which exercises do you suggest for us quarantined guys? I lift a lot of Kettlebells and use an old power byke i bought when i had to deal with an injury. I have a big garden. Normally i train in judo. Thank you! Bye
Rasmey I have a real big problem. Whenever i get into an argument or physical altercation my heart rate goes up like crazy and i get cold sweats and feel a little like anything could knock me over. Do you know why that is and what i can do to stop that feeling?
That is called adrenaline and is something you have to get used to. Even Pro fighters get that (however good at hiding it they are) but they are used to dealing with it due to all their experience having it. It is something you can get more used to over time.
@@Emotionlessxartist Not really in quarantine and frankly if you are you would have no need to re-create it as you are not likely at the moment to be attacked by anyone. If you want to recreate it after this quarantine has ended then I can only really suggest two methods. 1) Hard sparing (do this in a combat gym) and only after you have done plenty of light and feel ready. Now this does come with some risks of injury but you will certainly experience adrenaline when you spar hard. In my experience although useful light sparing does not really generate it at all. Hard is not something you should do regularly. 2) Some reality based self defence instructors (far from all you need to find a legit one it depends where you live frankly) do exercises/training methods that trigger adrenaline/simulate it. They realise that getting used to this is vital for self defence and it is 100% not something you can do solo.
@@RamseyDewey my usual weight is around 72, 70kg, cant decide between being a featherweight or lightweight after finding out a lot of lightweights cut up to 10kg, i'm assuming i'd be a fairly small one
I went through this in boxing. It was frustrating. I had an old-man really old school coach who was obsessed with people being as light as possible. I was 16, had pretty good muscle built up, and was at 9% body fat and he wanted me to lose 12lbs. I told him that I felt really comfortable at my weight and if anything I would rather put on some more muscle and go up a weight class and he basically disowned me and wouldn't train me directly anymore. It was a really disheartening experience being that I was an impressionable teenager.
That’s horrible. He’s thinking only of himself, not your best interest. A teenager is still growing and he’s effectively actively messing with your development by doing that. Coaches like that should ashamed of themselves, especially with teenagers.
Jyst ignore him and fight in whatever weight category you're in. He thinks you can't fight someone taller with longer reach. Just go into the ring and fight to show him wrong
hahaha I have the exact same type of boxing coach, hes super old too but I respect him a lot. Im light enough as it is though so its all good but its so annoying because Im really slap bang in the middle of weight classes in every damn sport.
Emp6ft10in there’s some coaches that learn. My wrestling coach wouldn’t let some people wrestle if they cut too much weight, since he put the wrestlers in their weight in prior to the match.
Classic boxing coach lol
Cut weight but don't skip meals or liquids
Even as a kid in peewee wrestling I knew that I needed caloric fuel to win, and watched in horror as fellow wrestlers self-starved for weeks and were defeated by a well fed opponent
Ever seen Ashita no Joe? It gives good context for why a fighter would cut weight in unhealthy ways.
@@HamsterPants522
Ashita no Joe is one of the best sports manga I ever read
I would go up in weight as well, like Ramsey said it's an amateur competition and you can be much more relaxed in your pre-fight preparations
Off topic to this video but watching it made me realize something:
We’re quarantined so I can’t go out. That means nobody will see me. That means for the first time ever, I can try to grow out my beard a little bit and see if it’ll look as cool as Ramsey’s. Hmmmm wish me luck
Go for it
Superhuman Fitness lol true
Exactly what I did now I rock a very respectable beard
Thank you Ramsay, a fountain of knowledge as always ❤️
I think this highlights an overarching principle that I think a lot of people ignore. Strategically, it's best to take the hard road - i.e, training consistently and diligently. Tactically however, the easy road is usually the best, i.e - reducing anxiety by going up a weight class in this instance, using smart technique over brute force when possible (which usually makes it easier to pull off) etc.
amateur level olympic weightlifter here - have competed locally in Malaysia as well as in Singapore where I got 2nd place at the Singapore Weightlifitng Open in the U61kg weight class.
I will generally cut about no more than 2 kg prior to any competition i take part in now. My very first weight cut was when I was competing as a U56kg and I was about 58kg normally. Losing that 2kg took me about a month and it was TORTURE. My last night i had to go to a sauna, and i generally didnt eat any rice or bread type carbs fo r a month .I suppose WL is kinda of different because you only make six lifts and it's not an endurance sport, so you can afford to be a bit more aggressive in your weight cut. Even if you do lose strength, you do actually feel faster and in some ways more energetic having lost weight.
Usually now i float around 62kg and will cut quite easily to U61kg over the course of the two weeks leading up to the competition by just substituting rice for green vegetables and cutting out my usual cakes and desserts that i do love so much.
I do see people try to do really aggressive and stupid weight cuts and see them on the rower in a hoodie on the day of the competition. They dont always make it and if they do they are so exhausted that they usually do terribly. I feel that at amauteur level, it really doesnt matter too much about being a +- 1 weight class up or down. I see people in lighter weight classes outpreform heavier dudes all the time. It's best just to preform in the set of skin you feel best in.
I feel like it's easier to eat less and lose weight and fat by simply working out hard and being in a caloric deficit. Building up more weight in terms of just muscle is harder, unless you're on performance enhancing drugs
Even with gear gaining weight is harder
Unless you're on something that retains a ton of water but that's not muscle
He doesn’t need to gain weight. 86 is the limit. Walking around at 84kg he’s already is the 86kg division.
You're right☝ but that being said I still prefer to walk around at a heavier weight which also gives me a higher fat percentage simply because the power I''ll gain really outweighs the slightly less visible ab aesthetics
@@RamseyDewey off topic entirely but something I thought you might like to comment on, considering your recent video where he featured briefly. I am talking about the infamous Tai Chi Tube of course.
Here are some comments of his....
"By the way I doubt a BJJ black belt could even out wrestle me on a padded floor with striking forbidden."
"I have terrible stamina but I'm pretty sure I could go for 5 or 10 mins in a gym with any wrestler in the world and not get submitted."
"I'm at that level thanks to Kung Fu plus natural ability, and in recent years I tested this theory by training with a 2 time British Olympic Judoka for a few hours and it was a complete stalemate for as long as we both focused." You will notice during this comment he doesn't actually mention this Olympic judoka by name.
Your thoughts on this man? Maybe he rather than master wong is worth another video. Honestly his comments are comedy gold, the delusion is strong with this one. We could do with some more laughs during this time though I did think your last point on your recent April first master wong vid was actually 100% valid.
When legit guys like fight perfect tv get banned and Master Wong exists despite making a video that encourages his young viewers to choke out their friends you do wonder about youtubes rules.
i would go up as well that way the other guys were depleted from wightcutting and i could weaponize pace
But maybe your pace is sacrificed a little bit carrying the extra weight
Ramsey do a backflip. I'm not going to stop haha. Love your videos. Keep them coming bud
As a wrestler the 145 guys were too fast for me, so I went up to 152 and it worked out great, I was faster than them and strong enough to handle them. The 160 guys were just too big for me. However something I noticed is that 145 is still kinda skinny, 152 the guys are legitimately strong, and then 160 guys are a little bit overweight.
I'm in the same predidiment I'm a muay thai fighter I fight at either 83kg 84kg and 85kg
Here's my two bits. Train as hard as you can. Don't weigh yourself until its time to enter. Then enter in whatever weight class you're at
Not really into martial arts, but I enjoy your content 👍
It really depends on how far you are from the weight limit, and how easily you found a way to cut.
You should never cut in an uncontrolled way, but following the advice of a doctor. No starving, dehydrating, ecc, that's suicide wish.
I mean, if you're just 1-2 kilos (2-4 pounds) over the limit of the weight class, it's MUCH easier to lose those 4 pounds, rather than fighting people who are 10/15 pounds heavier, or bulking up 15 pounds yourself, wich might prove difficult to some people.
Generally speaking, it would be healthier to lose 4 pounds and then be relatively the heaviest of the lower division, but quicker than your normal self, than the other way around. However, trouble starts when you're really halfway between weight classes with much difference between each other. Ramsey is right, in that perspective, it could be better to go up a weight class than starving yourself hoping to fight easier opponents
In my competition they where not strict at all. I was 93kg at the time and its either competing against 95+ kg guys or cut down to 88kg.
I was 18 years old at the time and made the stupid decision to cut down. It was a competition that used adcc rules. So on competition day i stepped on the scale and made exactly 88kg. 4 other guys also made weight but there was the last guy. I remember it as it was yesterday. He was 92,7kg.
They did not say a word. We all were eligable to compete. I won my first match by a darce choke and lost the second match to exactly this guy.
The weight cut fucked my stamina up. I gassed so damn quick. After every scramble i was breathing heavy. Next time i will make sure that i step in with my actual weight that is for sure.
Lesson learned i guess
Nice setup
Eat a slight caloric surplus. Hit your macro-nutrient needs. Train, train, train. Weight be damned, it'll take care of itself. That said, if I had to choose, I'd move up. It absolutely sucks cutting weight and losing strength and potential.
Love the content. Fuck yeah!
I guess I'm lucky here, because making 265 is the only one I'll ever realisatically make. The choice is easy for me.
Thomas Turner '20 he wasn’t saying he was big boned he was saying he didn’t have much muscle OR fat, therefore leaving just bone
Also, eating a bit more and complementing his bjj-training with a bit of weightlifting he could gain 1 kg of muscles reducing his potential weightdisadvantage in le light heavyweigth clas
The one who will win the fight is the one who can eat the most
Baki said that lol
@@nietzchesmustache5495 not baki but that lumberjack who trains him
Ramsey what do you think about German JJ and what's special about catch wrestling
I started my Martial arts training with 'German Jiu Jitsu' or 'Ju-Jutsu' about 20 years ago and from my perspective now i can't recommend it for self defense or any type of Mixed Martial Art competitions. But the German JJ association (DJJV) host some fun fighting competitions as well.
I would compare it to Aikido, most 'actions' are staged and without real pressure and it's really hard to use them in a real combat situation.
The german police used it for a long time, but even they switched to Krav Maga, BJJ and Wing Chun.
@@user-th9ek3jl7b thanks for answering
Hey Ramsey, what's the best way to put on weight for boxing without getting fat? I'm also between weight divisions, but decided to go up to 81kgs but don't want to put on useless weight. Many years ago I used to do weightlifting, and was about 84, but I was told that not all weights are good for boxing.
Are you doing a lot of strength training to build muscle? Is it easier for you to lose fat-weight than gain muscle? Is speed better for you than power?
I hate cutting and gaining weight , but it is part of the sport so you gotta do it if u wanna fight
Ramsey love your channel i have a question for you. At my kickboxing gym they teach that you should keep your ab mucles tight when sparring.what is your opinion on that? Should you always tighten your abs the whole time or is it something you would not do at all? Respect and greetings from the Netherlands osu!
I cannot go out there and train- i' im full quarantine Ramsay due to Covid ! Still perfectly healty but blocked insime my home. Which exercises do you suggest for us quarantined guys? I lift a lot of Kettlebells and use an old power byke i bought when i had to deal with an injury. I have a big garden. Normally i train in judo. Thank you! Bye
There is wherever you are! Now drop and give me 50 push-ups!
Rasmey I have a real big problem. Whenever i get into an argument or physical altercation my heart rate goes up like crazy and i get cold sweats and feel a little like anything could knock me over. Do you know why that is and what i can do to stop that feeling?
That is called adrenaline and is something you have to get used to. Even Pro fighters get that (however good at hiding it they are) but they are used to dealing with it due to all their experience having it. It is something you can get more used to over time.
@@marktuthill7986 thanks bro!! So how can I get used to that feeling? I'm in quarantine so idk if I can recreate that feeling
@@Emotionlessxartist Not really in quarantine and frankly if you are you would have no need to re-create it as you are not likely at the moment to be attacked by anyone.
If you want to recreate it after this quarantine has ended then I can only really suggest two methods.
1) Hard sparing (do this in a combat gym) and only after you have done plenty of light and feel ready.
Now this does come with some risks of injury but you will certainly experience adrenaline when you spar hard. In my experience although useful light sparing does not really generate it at all. Hard is not something you should do regularly.
2) Some reality based self defence instructors (far from all you need to find a legit one it depends where you live frankly) do exercises/training methods that trigger adrenaline/simulate it. They realise that getting used to this is vital for self defence and it is 100% not something you can do solo.
Stop getting into arguments and physical altercations.
Watch a video about how Jon Jones reacts to being nervous. That feeling is energy you just have to harness it.
I wonder what Master Wongs weight is?
7 Wongs
What about guys with extra body fat? They could just eat less calories and fat meals
I hate the idea of weight cuts. Unless you're too fat and have time to lose actual weight, fight at the weight you are comfortable at.
what about mma? would going down be better?
That depends on a number of variables.
@@RamseyDewey my usual weight is around 72, 70kg, cant decide between being a featherweight or lightweight after finding out a lot of lightweights cut up to 10kg, i'm assuming i'd be a fairly small one
I imagine going down is good if you want to be upper rank of your weigt class
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Outstanding!