Something I forgot to mention was Whitebeard ordered Ace to not challenge Kaido as he’d have no hope of beating someone Oden couldn’t beat. We know that Kaido didn’t win fairly but it makes Kaido seem all the more stronger. Another thing for base Kaido knocking out Oden is we see Oden endure a Boro Breath head on and despite being knocked down he easily endure it. A Boro Breath is more powerful than a regular base Kaido club attack which shows how there was an extra variable in play when Oden got knocked out as I explained in the video.
@@jamesfoxsmith diffrent first yonko commander have diffrent levels rayileh is atlest comparable to a yonko while character like kata can be one shoted from a yonko.
Good video. Some things I would like to add: 1.I feel like you should've mentioned his feat of cutting the Mountain God in half without killing it. Because Oda not only revealed in SBS 100 that Togen Shirataki was a Conquerors Haki attack, but he also explained that Oden's cut was so clean, precise, and perfect, that the severed parts of the Mountain God were able to be put back together. So Oden was already a self aware Conquerors Haki when he was still a teenager and his swordsmanship was already top tier at that point. 2.I'm confused how Divine Departure is a casual attack to you. As you said, it's a Conquerors Haki infused attack, so I'm not sure how it's casual when it's the only named attack that we have seen Roger use. 3.When Shinobu explained the situation to the citizens, we actually get a flashback panel of Oden fighting Human Form Kaido 5 years before and Oden was clashing with him by using only one sword. Kaido and Orochi had in fact to blackmail Oden for those 5 years so that Kaido and his army can build their strength up to match Oden's level, and even after those 5 years, a rusty Oden overwhelmed Kaido and his army. Because even though Oden was put through humiliation for those 5 years while Kaido spent his time getting stronger, Oden was still so strong after that that even without training, he would've beaten Kaido. 4.As for Kaido hitting a distracted Oden, that's something that's always being used out of context in the fandom to downplay Oden. People seem to ignore that before that, Oden fought his way through Kaido's army and got hit by Kaido's Blast Breath. And as you said, Oden was distracted so his guard was completely down. Not paying attention or getting distracted in One Piece can end fatally. Both Kizaru and Aokiji mentioned that to Marco and Jozu, and Kaku mentioned that to Zoro. It's constantly brought up in the story. Even fodder like Axe Hand Morgan was able to slash Garp's chest open and draw a large amount of blood from him. And when Big Mom had emotional flashbacks of mother Caramel, her tough skin got very weak and she bled from her knees when she feel on the ground even though not even cannon fire can usually hurt her. So a injured and distracted Oden getting knocked out by Kaido hitting the back of his head with his club, makes sense. It's not a strength feat for Kaido at all. A much weaker Oden tanked a named attack from Roger that was infused with Conquerors Haki. 5.As for Kaido's prime, it was never brought up in the story when he hit his prime so we can only assume. Going by the fact though that Whitebeard hit his prime when he was 38, Oden was 39 when he died, and Kaido was 39 when he fought Oden, I don't see why Current Kaido would be stronger than the Kaido who fought Oden. Especially when he himself denies so. He said that he doesn't remember the last time someone was going toe to toe with him and it was confirmed that Luffy is the first opponent since Oden that Kaido considers worthy to fight serious against, meaning that Kaido hasn't fought any top tier in a serious 1 vs 1 since Oden died. Even though Current Kaido has fought Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law, Killer, Scabbards, and Yamato, none of them were able to injure Kaido as much as Oden did. Even Post Conquerors Infusion Luffy failed to do so in the past chapters and now even after coming back with Gear 5, he has yet to seriously injure Kaido because so far, the fight is comedic. Even after Gear 5 Luffy ragdolled Kaido, Kaido is perfectly fine, he doesn't even bleed, while Oden slashed Kaido's torso wide open to where he was seriously injured and bandaged for weeks.
I can’t reply to all of this but what I will say about the Divine Departure is that it’s a one handed sword slash so it’s causal compared to when he clashed Whitebeard with a 2 handed slash. It’s still a top tier attack for sure but it’s probably not one of Roger’s best even though we don’t know how many attacks he has.
There's two part to understand how powerful oden was. When he joined whitebeard and when he came back after completing his journey. It's probably because how powerful oden was that white beard was unwilling to take revenge on him. If someone as powerful as him couldn't take dow orochi and kaido whitebeard will have to lose a lot of his men.
amazing as usual, your thoughts on oden are very profound and it seems to me you have indulged in quite a bit of research when power scaling this fellow, props to you. Furthermore I am much enticed by your ability to accurately describe and compare his feats to others, absolute class.
Thank you for this vid!! These's kids on social media out here talkin soo much sh*t ab him. Some ppl jus don't understand how strong my boi ODEN was. Imma def share this vid!!
@@Mr.VAGlNA Yep a younger one who wasn't in his peak and wasn't using hybrid form and adv coating and oden still used his strongest attack while dragon kaido was his weakest form ... EVEN WANO ZORO performed Better !
Some little thing I just thought of but Imma share it anyways since, when you think about it genuinely just makes more sense why Oden got knocked out from one attack. Not only was it because that Oden had a weak mindset in that moment, it was also because of the fact that he’s human, lemme explain. Now judging from appearance we can tell he’s Human, with that being said we can also assume him having human anatomy down to the bone. With this we can also apply certain human weak spots to him *(not human durability obviously, we’d get one shotted by any attack in One Piece)* . I’m specifically talking about the weak spot of striking someone in the back of the head, judging from how it was visualized, it’s safe to say that Oden took the hit straight to the back of the head considering he got knocked a second later. Guess what happens when we receive a clean strike to the back of the head, we enter a fucking coma and have the chance of being literally retarded, best case scenario you survive with a new life of being in the special ed, worst case scenario you literally never wake up from that coma and fucking die. If you connect the dots it just makes so much sense.
@@zagessj Well Vice-Captain have a consistent thing were Oda portrays them as being relative to their captains in terms of power, Benn Beckman, Jimbei and Zoro was portrayed that way for while before Luffy got this boost but even then Zoro will most likely catch back up to Luffy, so based on that pattern I think it's safe to assume Prime Rayleigh was relative to Roger, not exactly as strong but relative
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 Yeah no. Prime Rayleigh wanted to gang up on Oden together with Scopper. Roger and Rayleigh were never treated to be relative in power. We know nothing about Prime Rayleigh but what we do know is that Oden considered neither him or Scopper as a threat. And that wasn't even Oden in his prime. Rayleigh is acknowledged by none of the Yonkos while Kaido put Post Laugh Tale Oden on the same pedestal as Roger. Oda also confirmed in one of the SBS that the old characters maintain the strength they had in their prime, meaning that Rayleigh holding Kizaru off and scratching his cheek is the best he's capable of. Nowhere near Roger's level.
Oden is low Yonko level. He ate hits from Rogers's Divine Departure and Whitebeard's Tremor Punch and shrugged it off like it was breakfast. Literally held on to a chain for 3 days in New World Waters. Ate a whole Hand Grenade that had Gaban worried. Fought Kaido's whole ambush force in the thousands then fought KAIDO and ate his blast breath. Proceeding to injure Kaido and almost winning the fight. He then gets boiled in oil while carrying 9 of his retainers in a plank for 1 HOUR. regular people wouldn't last 20 seconds. All this with no devil fruit and seemingly didn't reach his full potential either. This is super impressive for a guy who never fought anyone even close to Whitebeard level before fighting Whitebeard himself.
That's hinting that Kaido was a low level Yonkou at the time of fighting Luffy and the others. At the time that Kaido included Oden in his list, he gave him a status among the strongest characters in the series, a top 10.
also dont forget Oden was messing around for 5 years making a fool of himself so this is untrained oden, someone who hadn't fought for 5 years capable of doing this. Battle hardened, post Laugh Tale would of done way more I reckon
One thing I want to say about kaido and bigmom is that potentially they could be strongest pirates ever due to there top tier haki and them being abnormal biens bigmom as child had strength surpassing a giant without a fruit and then kaido being from the oni race probably the same race as oars and in his human form jumped off A sky island and only received a head ache then on top his dragon form which you have to have conquerors or some type of awakening to do proper damage and this goes for big mom and kaido. i think bigmom and kaido could hold there prime a lot longer than any other of the top tiers due to this basically. old age in one piece which is consider being in the late 70s with people like Rayleigh stating in his prime he could help the straw hats and fight kizaru and him breathing heavy while kizaru was fine and garp stating his throwing power is half of what it use to be then final theres sengouk who’s hair has visible went from black to a full set of greys and whitebeard who was suffering from sickness most likely due to his his old body not being as strong as before and being caught by certain attacks from kizaru and even squardo which Marco points out even if whitebeard didn’t know squardo would attacks he would have evaded quite easly this when Marco realised that whitebeard wasn’t the same as before. they would be stronger than other top tiers that age cause there not regular humans
Kaido 20 years ago was weaker than he is now, oden used advance conquerors haki to injur dragon kaido. Zoro used advanced conquerors haki to injur hybrid form kaido. I would say that oden was on the same level as kaido
I would put him not much below yonko/admiral level. U only noticed Oden's good feats, but, for instance, 1)featwise: Oden was tossed away by young Dragon Kaido in the manga, and they were stated to have fought for a long time, so it can be Oden>~young Dragon Kaido. Hybrid>Human Kaido>~Dragon KaidoAkainu>=Roger=PB=Shiki=Garp=Aokiji=Bigmom=Kizaru=prime Sengoku=Mihawk>=Shanks>Rayleigh~Oden>~Fuji=Ryokogyu. Thus overall verdict Oden was midTT or mid-highTT at very max
You said oden had the portrayal of being comparable to the worlds strongest pirates/yonko, which is true, and then put him near the bottom of the list, even below rayleigh, which contradicts what you said. Kaido is not above primebeard, and aokiji is not equal to prime garp either. Oden was stated in the vivre card to be worthy of the title of worlds strongest swordsman and that was when Rayleigh was still in prime. That, plus narrative means oden > Rayleigh. It’s not a landslide or anything, but the statements and narrative for oden are there.
@@dacubanmofo 1)it's not stated the world's strongest swordsman, but the self-proclaimed strongest swordsman. Don't try to mock me, as I know available all ab one piece. Moreover, there's no confirmation Rayleigh is among swordsmen, as King wasn't. It's not really like Oden>Roger due to self wss title. It's either Oden was truly wss and Roger wasn't or Oden wasn't wss. 2)being in the bottom of the list still puts him close to Kaido, as there're multiple yonko-lvl characters in one piece.
Oden would definitely be a Yonko and the World's Greatest Swordsman if he was still alive. After killing Kaido, Oden would have been recognized as a Yonko and if he rallied together the Samurai and Minks, Wano would have been a Powerhouse Country and Oden's territory as a Yonko. We already know that he had the greatest sword style so no swordsman would've been able to beat Oden, making him the World's Greatest Swordsman, though I guess Oden wouldnt care about the title.
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Of course, if Roger was a father figure to Shanks then Oden would be like Shanks' cool uncle alongside Rayleigh and Scopper. I feel like Shanks and Oden would've still gotten along even in the present if Oden didn't die since Shanks and Buggy still somewhat get along after all these years
Nah, Mihawk is the final person Zoro fight come the end of the series and will most likely give Zoro an extreme diffculty fight meaning Mihawk will be relative to E.O.S. Zoro, not as strong as E.O.S Zoro given he'll ultimately prove to be weaker than him but strong to be in same tier of strength as E.O.S. Zoro and be relative to him, it's just that Mihawk will below Zoro in this tier and Zoro should be relative to E.O.S Luffy in power and the power E.O.S Luffy will have is power that surpasses Whitebeard and Roger in their primes, so if E.O.S Zoro relative to that kind of power then he too should be stronger than Roger and Whitebeard in their primes comes E.O.S and Mihawk being relative to E.O.S Zoro in strength means he too should be more powerful than prime Whitebeard and Roger which would also obviously mean he would be more powerful than the monster Samurai from Wano Oden.
Agree. Mihawk wasn't even considered as a threat by Old Whitebeard, while a young Oden was considered incredible by Prime Whitebeard and clashed with him. Mihawk couldn't even beat Vista, a Yonko Commander, while Oden almost killed Kaido, and was put on the same level as Roger and Prime Whitebeard.
The Vivre Cards and Databooks also state that Vista is comparable to Mihawk, and since Vista is a Yonko Commander, I don't see why people think that Mihawk is stronger than Oden when Oden had a much more impressive potrayal and feats.
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 we dont know if eos zoro and eos luffy will be relative dough luffy right now is much stronger so we just need to wait and see oden vs mihawk is a interesting fight for sure
This just tell you that how strong zoro is going to be. If oden was that strong zoro is going to surpass him. And if luffys ceiling is oden that means luffy and zoro will be same
Oden is kind of hard to place, but I think he is low top tier around the same strength as Sabo. You could argue he is as strong as Kaido, but his battle with Kaido happened a while back and I suspect Kaido has gotten stronger since then (probably not by a wide margin but still)
Yeah you could argue that maybe Kaido got stronger over thr 20 years but nothing suggest a large increase in strength, Kaido 20 years ago already had the portrayal of being Invincible which is the current portrayal he has in the story not to mention Kaido says that believes Oden still capable of killing him in current further proving that Kaido only got a small strength over the 20 years and that Kaido back then is still relatively as strong as he is now because Oden wouldn't be capable of the same scarring feat/be able to kill Kaido if Kaido had grown LEVELS stronger than what he was before, so Oden being on the level of the Yonko and Admirals is a sound premise in my opinion
@@zagessj but it can be argued, oden was just like a +1 (not a permanent member)for the Roger pirate crew so even if he was stronger then Rayleigh he wouldn’t become vice captain
@@zagessj In the vivre card it's actually stated that "Oden was the self proclaimed "Worlds Strongest Swordsman" and that his pride was not undeserved" and given Rayleigh is a swordsman, to me it indicates that Oden was stronger than Rayleigh.
@@Wuke04 When the vivre card say that lmao?....I don't remember EVER seeing a statement like that and if you believe that premise then you'd have to believe that Oden was stronger that Roger given that Roger was a swordsman
Something I forgot to mention was Whitebeard ordered Ace to not challenge Kaido as he’d have no hope of beating someone Oden couldn’t beat. We know that Kaido didn’t win fairly but it makes Kaido seem all the more stronger.
Another thing for base Kaido knocking out Oden is we see Oden endure a Boro Breath head on and despite being knocked down he easily endure it. A Boro Breath is more powerful than a regular base Kaido club attack which shows how there was an extra variable in play when Oden got knocked out as I explained in the video.
Im curious does Base Kaido's durability is way higher than his regular kanabo swings?
@@alifputrawan9565 definitely
bro ppl underrate oden so much its crazy, if he were alive he’d be a yonko plain and simple
@@jamesfoxsmith first commander level man I did not know Two piece is that famous?
@@jamesfoxsmith diffrent first yonko commander have diffrent levels rayileh is atlest comparable to a yonko while character like kata can be one shoted from a yonko.
Oda also had not only Whitebeard but Blackbeard as well hype up Oden's strength during Marco's small flashback
This adds to his portrayal as well I should have mentioned it
which chapter?
Good video. Some things I would like to add:
1.I feel like you should've mentioned his feat of cutting the Mountain God in half without killing it. Because Oda not only revealed in SBS 100 that Togen Shirataki was a Conquerors Haki attack, but he also explained that Oden's cut was so clean, precise, and perfect, that the severed parts of the Mountain God were able to be put back together. So Oden was already a self aware Conquerors Haki when he was still a teenager and his swordsmanship was already top tier at that point.
2.I'm confused how Divine Departure is a casual attack to you. As you said, it's a Conquerors Haki infused attack, so I'm not sure how it's casual when it's the only named attack that we have seen Roger use.
3.When Shinobu explained the situation to the citizens, we actually get a flashback panel of Oden fighting Human Form Kaido 5 years before and Oden was clashing with him by using only one sword. Kaido and Orochi had in fact to blackmail Oden for those 5 years so that Kaido and his army can build their strength up to match Oden's level, and even after those 5 years, a rusty Oden overwhelmed Kaido and his army. Because even though Oden was put through humiliation for those 5 years while Kaido spent his time getting stronger, Oden was still so strong after that that even without training, he would've beaten Kaido.
4.As for Kaido hitting a distracted Oden, that's something that's always being used out of context in the fandom to downplay Oden. People seem to ignore that before that, Oden fought his way through Kaido's army and got hit by Kaido's Blast Breath. And as you said, Oden was distracted so his guard was completely down. Not paying attention or getting distracted in One Piece can end fatally. Both Kizaru and Aokiji mentioned that to Marco and Jozu, and Kaku mentioned that to Zoro. It's constantly brought up in the story. Even fodder like Axe Hand Morgan was able to slash Garp's chest open and draw a large amount of blood from him. And when Big Mom had emotional flashbacks of mother Caramel, her tough skin got very weak and she bled from her knees when she feel on the ground even though not even cannon fire can usually hurt her. So a injured and distracted Oden getting knocked out by Kaido hitting the back of his head with his club, makes sense. It's not a strength feat for Kaido at all. A much weaker Oden tanked a named attack from Roger that was infused with Conquerors Haki.
5.As for Kaido's prime, it was never brought up in the story when he hit his prime so we can only assume. Going by the fact though that Whitebeard hit his prime when he was 38, Oden was 39 when he died, and Kaido was 39 when he fought Oden, I don't see why Current Kaido would be stronger than the Kaido who fought Oden. Especially when he himself denies so. He said that he doesn't remember the last time someone was going toe to toe with him and it was confirmed that Luffy is the first opponent since Oden that Kaido considers worthy to fight serious against, meaning that Kaido hasn't fought any top tier in a serious 1 vs 1 since Oden died. Even though Current Kaido has fought Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law, Killer, Scabbards, and Yamato, none of them were able to injure Kaido as much as Oden did. Even Post Conquerors Infusion Luffy failed to do so in the past chapters and now even after coming back with Gear 5, he has yet to seriously injure Kaido because so far, the fight is comedic. Even after Gear 5 Luffy ragdolled Kaido, Kaido is perfectly fine, he doesn't even bleed, while Oden slashed Kaido's torso wide open to where he was seriously injured and bandaged for weeks.
I can’t reply to all of this but what I will say about the Divine Departure is that it’s a one handed sword slash so it’s causal compared to when he clashed Whitebeard with a 2 handed slash. It’s still a top tier attack for sure but it’s probably not one of Roger’s best even though we don’t know how many attacks he has.
@@zagessj Good point actually
Axe hand Morgan scarred garp?
There's two part to understand how powerful oden was. When he joined whitebeard and when he came back after completing his journey. It's probably because how powerful oden was that white beard was unwilling to take revenge on him. If someone as powerful as him couldn't take dow orochi and kaido whitebeard will have to lose a lot of his men.
amazing as usual, your thoughts on oden are very profound and it seems to me you have indulged in quite a bit of research when power scaling this fellow, props to you. Furthermore I am much enticed by your ability to accurately describe and compare his feats to others, absolute class.
don’t care didn’t ask 🤦🏾♂️
@@zagessj chkshou kuso.... sasuga zage
At the same time, Oden was running all day, taking down Kaidos men before he fought Kaido. So he wasn’t 100% in stamina when he fought Kaido
Bro ngl
I love your analysis videos
Just pure well thought out explanation and facts
Glad to know the content is insightful 🙏🏾
Thank you for this vid!! These's kids on social media out here talkin soo much sh*t ab him. Some ppl jus don't understand how strong my boi ODEN was. Imma def share this vid!!
He has strong swordsmanship but he would loose to rayleigh, roger, mihawk, ryuma, any yonko or admiral
He’s basically just a weaker then top tiers but i didn’t say they would no diff him
@@onlyenzoYT I only consider Garp, Roger, Rocks and Whitebeard Top Tier’s soo…yea I agree! (maybe shanks too but idk)
@@onlyenzoYT No just no, did u even watch the vid??
Oden was built different fr
Oden is def yonko level
Agreed
🤣 joke
@@Manga.Spoilersss wtf? He almost defeated kaido.
@@Mr.VAGlNA Yep a younger one who wasn't in his peak and wasn't using hybrid form and adv coating and oden still used his strongest attack while dragon kaido was his weakest form ...
EVEN WANO ZORO performed Better !
@@Manga.Spoilersss fr all he used on oden was blast breath and we all know blast breath don't do shit😂
Some little thing I just thought of but Imma share it anyways since, when you think about it genuinely just makes more sense why Oden got knocked out from one attack.
Not only was it because that Oden had a weak mindset in that moment, it was also because of the fact that he’s human, lemme explain.
Now judging from appearance we can tell he’s Human, with that being said we can also assume him having human anatomy down to the bone. With this we can also apply certain human weak spots to him *(not human durability obviously, we’d get one shotted by any attack in One Piece)* . I’m specifically talking about the weak spot of striking someone in the back of the head, judging from how it was visualized, it’s safe to say that Oden took the hit straight to the back of the head considering he got knocked a second later. Guess what happens when we receive a clean strike to the back of the head, we enter a fucking coma and have the chance of being literally retarded, best case scenario you survive with a new life of being in the special ed, worst case scenario you literally never wake up from that coma and fucking die. If you connect the dots it just makes so much sense.
Thanks for that explanation about haki and doubts.
My pleasure
This channel too underrated
Amazing analysis, you should do a powerscaling video on Prime Silvers Rayleigh next in my opinion that'd be another very interesting video.
We don’t know much about Rayleigh in his prime aside from what he could be based on his old age feats
@@zagessj Well Vice-Captain have a consistent thing were Oda portrays them as being relative to their captains in terms of power, Benn Beckman, Jimbei and Zoro was portrayed that way for while before Luffy got this boost but even then Zoro will most likely catch back up to Luffy, so based on that pattern I think it's safe to assume Prime Rayleigh was relative to Roger, not exactly as strong but relative
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 Yeah no. Prime Rayleigh wanted to gang up on Oden together with Scopper. Roger and Rayleigh were never treated to be relative in power. We know nothing about Prime Rayleigh but what we do know is that Oden considered neither him or Scopper as a threat. And that wasn't even Oden in his prime. Rayleigh is acknowledged by none of the Yonkos while Kaido put Post Laugh Tale Oden on the same pedestal as Roger. Oda also confirmed in one of the SBS that the old characters maintain the strength they had in their prime, meaning that Rayleigh holding Kizaru off and scratching his cheek is the best he's capable of. Nowhere near Roger's level.
Oden is low Yonko level.
He ate hits from Rogers's Divine Departure and Whitebeard's Tremor Punch and shrugged it off like it was breakfast.
Literally held on to a chain for 3 days in New World Waters. Ate a whole Hand Grenade that had Gaban worried.
Fought Kaido's whole ambush force in the thousands then fought KAIDO and ate his blast breath. Proceeding to injure Kaido and almost winning the fight.
He then gets boiled in oil while carrying 9 of his retainers in a plank for 1 HOUR. regular people wouldn't last 20 seconds.
All this with no devil fruit and seemingly didn't reach his full potential either. This is super impressive for a guy who never fought anyone even close to Whitebeard level before fighting Whitebeard himself.
That's hinting that Kaido was a low level Yonkou at the time of fighting Luffy and the others. At the time that Kaido included Oden in his list, he gave him a status among the strongest characters in the series, a top 10.
@@netero1682 kaido is stronger now than he was then
@@steampunkofgondor2619 It got stronger but with a minimal difference.
also dont forget Oden was messing around for 5 years making a fool of himself so this is untrained oden, someone who hadn't fought for 5 years capable of doing this. Battle hardened, post Laugh Tale would of done way more I reckon
@@randm7985 that logic doesn’t apply in one piece, cause we see characters like crocodile coming back stronger from just sitting in prison lol
this mindset explanation makes so much sense as to why Usopp will be crazy later in the series (Oda emailed me)
U know it’s a good day when zage post
Oh and btw zoro surpassing oden before the end of wano if anybody didn’t know
@@whatthatbout4629 Yh no. I doubt it he’s not oden level yet and zoro is done for wano
@@lxfj2128 lol
The thing about will is also true about bigmom when they destroyed the picture of her stepmom
Hes straight up Admiral Level
How do you only have 1.4k? Gained a new sub
I appreciate that
This vid opened my eyes you should do the same with Rayleigh
Edit:nvm u already did
Didn’t see it from this perspective
Oden deserve to be a warlord😮💨😮💨😮💨
*Yonko
One thing I want to say about kaido and bigmom is that potentially they could be strongest pirates ever due to there top tier haki and them being abnormal biens bigmom as child had strength surpassing a giant without a fruit and then kaido being from the oni race probably the same race as oars and in his human form jumped off A sky island and only received a head ache then on top his dragon form which you have to have conquerors or some type of awakening to do proper damage and this goes for big mom and kaido. i think bigmom and kaido could hold there prime a lot longer than any other of the top tiers due to this basically. old age in one piece which is consider being in the late 70s with people like Rayleigh stating in his prime he could help the straw hats and fight kizaru and him breathing heavy while kizaru was fine and garp stating his throwing power is half of what it use to be then final theres sengouk who’s hair has visible went from black to a full set of greys and whitebeard who was suffering from sickness most likely due to his his old body not being as strong as before and being caught by certain attacks from kizaru and even squardo which Marco points out even if whitebeard didn’t know squardo would attacks he would have evaded quite easly this when Marco realised that whitebeard wasn’t the same as before.
they would be stronger than other top tiers that age cause there not regular humans
Kaido is 59 only 3 years older than Kizaru so I wouldn’t say he has shown abnormal lasting power in their prime but Big Mom is a good point.
Kaido 20 years ago was weaker than he is now, oden used advance conquerors haki to injur dragon kaido. Zoro used advanced conquerors haki to injur hybrid form kaido. I would say that oden was on the same level as kaido
I would put him not much below yonko/admiral level. U only noticed Oden's good feats, but, for instance, 1)featwise: Oden was tossed away by young Dragon Kaido in the manga, and they were stated to have fought for a long time, so it can be Oden>~young Dragon Kaido. Hybrid>Human Kaido>~Dragon KaidoAkainu>=Roger=PB=Shiki=Garp=Aokiji=Bigmom=Kizaru=prime Sengoku=Mihawk>=Shanks>Rayleigh~Oden>~Fuji=Ryokogyu. Thus overall verdict Oden was midTT or mid-highTT at very max
You said oden had the portrayal of being comparable to the worlds strongest pirates/yonko, which is true, and then put him near the bottom of the list, even below rayleigh, which contradicts what you said.
Kaido is not above primebeard, and aokiji is not equal to prime garp either.
Oden was stated in the vivre card to be worthy of the title of worlds strongest swordsman and that was when Rayleigh was still in prime. That, plus narrative means oden > Rayleigh. It’s not a landslide or anything, but the statements and narrative for oden are there.
@@dacubanmofo 1)it's not stated the world's strongest swordsman, but the self-proclaimed strongest swordsman. Don't try to mock me, as I know available all ab one piece. Moreover, there's no confirmation Rayleigh is among swordsmen, as King wasn't. It's not really like Oden>Roger due to self wss title. It's either Oden was truly wss and Roger wasn't or Oden wasn't wss. 2)being in the bottom of the list still puts him close to Kaido, as there're multiple yonko-lvl characters in one piece.
You mean was*
😂😂😂
that what im saying he should have lived to become one of the four yonko or seven warlords of the sea plus the world's greatest sword men
I doubt Oden would be any of those
@@zagessj those tittle could help him open wano
Oden would definitely be a Yonko and the World's Greatest Swordsman if he was still alive. After killing Kaido, Oden would have been recognized as a Yonko and if he rallied together the Samurai and Minks, Wano would have been a Powerhouse Country and Oden's territory as a Yonko. We already know that he had the greatest sword style so no swordsman would've been able to beat Oden, making him the World's Greatest Swordsman, though I guess Oden wouldnt care about the title.
@@getfked7073 also do you think he and shanks we'll get along
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Of course, if Roger was a father figure to Shanks then Oden would be like Shanks' cool uncle alongside Rayleigh and Scopper. I feel like Shanks and Oden would've still gotten along even in the present if Oden didn't die since Shanks and Buggy still somewhat get along after all these years
well i thought that oden was stronger than mihawk actually
I don’t know about all that 😂
Nah, Mihawk is the final person Zoro fight come the end of the series and will most likely give Zoro an extreme diffculty fight meaning Mihawk will be relative to E.O.S. Zoro, not as strong as E.O.S Zoro given he'll ultimately prove to be weaker than him but strong to be in same tier of strength as E.O.S. Zoro and be relative to him, it's just that Mihawk will below Zoro in this tier and Zoro should be relative to E.O.S Luffy in power and the power E.O.S Luffy will have is power that surpasses Whitebeard and Roger in their primes, so if E.O.S Zoro relative to that kind of power then he too should be stronger than Roger and Whitebeard in their primes comes E.O.S and Mihawk being relative to E.O.S Zoro in strength means he too should be more powerful than prime Whitebeard and Roger which would also obviously mean he would be more powerful than the monster Samurai from Wano Oden.
Agree. Mihawk wasn't even considered as a threat by Old Whitebeard, while a young Oden was considered incredible by Prime Whitebeard and clashed with him. Mihawk couldn't even beat Vista, a Yonko Commander, while Oden almost killed Kaido, and was put on the same level as Roger and Prime Whitebeard.
The Vivre Cards and Databooks also state that Vista is comparable to Mihawk, and since Vista is a Yonko Commander, I don't see why people think that Mihawk is stronger than Oden when Oden had a much more impressive potrayal and feats.
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 we dont know if eos zoro and eos luffy will be relative dough luffy right now is much stronger so we just need to wait and see oden vs mihawk is a interesting fight for sure
This just tell you that how strong zoro is going to be. If oden was that strong zoro is going to surpass him. And if luffys ceiling is oden that means luffy and zoro will be same
Luffys ceiling isnt oden he will surpass prime wb and roger and we know they are much stronger than oden luffy is actually close to oden now
Zoro fanaticism blinds all of you.
I mean
I hold Oden at Yonkou level
So when you say much stronger than I think
Idk how much stronger he could be lol
ODEN IS YONKO LVL
Oden is weaker than You think
Stronger than shanks weaker than mihawk
Oden is kind of hard to place, but I think he is low top tier around the same strength as Sabo. You could argue he is as strong as Kaido, but his battle with Kaido happened a while back and I suspect Kaido has gotten stronger since then (probably not by a wide margin but still)
Yeah you could argue that maybe Kaido got stronger over thr 20 years but nothing suggest a large increase in strength, Kaido 20 years ago already had the portrayal of being Invincible which is the current portrayal he has in the story not to mention Kaido says that believes Oden still capable of killing him in current further proving that Kaido only got a small strength over the 20 years and that Kaido back then is still relatively as strong as he is now because Oden wouldn't be capable of the same scarring feat/be able to kill Kaido if Kaido had grown LEVELS stronger than what he was before, so Oden being on the level of the Yonko and Admirals is a sound premise in my opinion
Oden is not sabo tier lmao
I would say that oden is at least big mom level. But I think he is stronger than her.
Stronger than shanks
That's blasphemy
How
Prime Rayleigh or prime oden who’s wins
Oden reached his prime while being a Roger pirate and Rayleigh was still the vice captain so… 🤷🏾♂️
@@zagessj but it can be argued, oden was just like a +1 (not a permanent member)for the Roger pirate crew so even if he was stronger then Rayleigh he wouldn’t become vice captain
@@zagessj In the vivre card it's actually stated that "Oden was the self proclaimed "Worlds Strongest Swordsman" and that his pride was not undeserved" and given Rayleigh is a swordsman, to me it indicates that Oden was stronger than Rayleigh.
@@Wuke04 When the vivre card say that lmao?....I don't remember EVER seeing a statement like that and if you believe that premise then you'd have to believe that Oden was stronger that Roger given that Roger was a swordsman
@@thatguynamedzeus5091 If you add me on discord I can show you. But no it's actually consistent given Oden was alive after Rogers death.
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I disagree Luffy was able to beat bluano because of gear second