Hey everyone! Sorry for the disruption of the schedule, hope you all enjoy! I forgot to say, a further connection between Eiglay and Messmer's snakes is the fact in Eiglays church the snake sculpture's have wings! ►The discord for the channel: discord.gg/xv8t5bFSzd ►Music is a mixture of : Elden ring shadow of the Erdtree music, Twin princes theme and music from the man the myth the legend @Alexroe !
My theory is that the gloam eyed queen was indeed the god of the old age and that the residents of Bonnie village were in charge of making the godskins by mixing people and shamans in pots with the shed skin of Eiglay and this can explain with the Godskins have snake like features
Hmm... my only issue is that they are literally called "Godslayer". I think GEQ was an Empyrean who was defeated by Marika/Maliketh. If she had been responsible for the shaman torture... then we might have heard something... idk.
I've always felt that Eiglay was the crucible version of elden beast, and perhaps even was fed the skinned bodies of the gods by the GEQ to make it stronger-- basically its always felt to me like that the serpent inside its stomach everyone becomes one, akin to how the jars work, and therefore the power of these victims to eiglay become its power, just as rykard says to 'join the serpent king as family', as rykard isnt called the serpent king, and eiglay has been used by fromsoftware as a male name before, im assuming the serpent king is eiglay, perhaps the serpent king consort of the gloam eyed queen? what do you think
Something worth noting is that the winged snake statues in the Church of Eiglay are also in the Flooded Church in Shadow Keep, the one with the lift down to the Scadutree Sanctum. And given Hornsent is surprised that Messmer is a 'base serpent', this means that the snake was likely already derided by the Hornsent as a culture. Which I rationalize as the contrast between Enir-Ilim being sacred and above, and the sanctum of the Serpent being down below.
Some thoughts: you point that the snake who shares body with Rykard are a Numen/Shaman; the Shaman blends their flash harmoniously, just like Rykard did to the snake. I dont know why but, if the Godskin peeled the skin from the formless mother? I mean, they pulled off and what remais is bloody without a specific form. And why the Divine Tower with Radahn rune houses the sword of the GEQ??? This always piss me off
I got confused because i though i was going to watch an Elden Ring video. Then i though it was an update on the Diddy situation, which i was like "okay sure ill watch it". Then it turned into an Elden Ring video XD
I just noticed from watching your videos, the hand that pulls the sword out of the snakes mouth, looks just like the fingercreepers just with more rings
It is "saint" as in a good person. "Don't whip me, I promise I'll be a living saint!" As in a person with good morals, not some divine being. The hornset stuffed crunched up criminals into a jar with a Shaman inside, then imprisoned them, with the hopes that they will becoming "saintly" as in "Better, more moral, people." That's what the Japanese text is saying a "living jar saint". And item descriptions of the jars in the core game reference this directly: "Though the jars are brought to life by human flesh and blood, they are all rather kindly folk. Perhaps they were made to be better than their innards." See that? It directly references the Japanese version of the description. That being said, let me point out the obvious placement of the snake skin. They stuffed criminals into the snake, forcing it to grow, but unlike living jars it grew hungrier. It did not become a "Living Saint". Unless, of course, we want to say that Marika was stuffed inside that snake.
@@theemeraldgecko310 Its funny how the english translation, even for me, of the ghost image didn’t register as being a figure of speech. “My mom, she was a living saint” is something people say in the real world. The translation issues is legitimately my biggest complaint of an otherwise perfect expansion
I think the living jars we see in the Lands Between are different than those of the Land of Shadow. We actually see Alexander stuffing himself with fallen corpses after the Radahn Festival, but in the Land of Shadows, people were evidently alive when they were stuffed into the jars.
There is an item description that says The Land of Shadow was the first place Marika step foot and became a God… she was born there, not traveled there…
Yet the Numen are from another world? It says it’s the first place Marika stepped foot in the lands of shadow? Maybe that just means where they first landed?
I had this Idea for yearsss I swear the serpent wouldn’t be considered blasphemous if it wasn’t directly connected to marika which also explains how its flesh melds with everyone it eats so easily. Rycard being a demigod is the only reason he was able to take control of it but other than that it’s more or less like a man eating Numen able to eat and blend everything with it including the gods which also might explain why the godskins where so successful they where made to win at that point
Try this: the Hornsent, being huge suckers for beasts, just saw Eiglay go about her shedding ritual, and being the trickster she is, convinced them that she did that to purify the souls of who she ate, and that Shaman do the same when they "meld" with others
I don't recall where, but there was a tablet or something around those coffin ships that suggested they were built to carry the cremated remains of the dead to the afterlife (or something like that) by sinking into the earth, and i think the putrescent knight's description clarifies that while the remains were supposed to be fully cremated, when the power of ghostflame was stripped it instead left charred corpses, which proceeded to putrify. Not sure a stone ship full of charred corpses designed to sink into the earth makes for a good ark 🤷
The Snake held some importances with the residents of Mt. Gelmir. It probably was the center of some culture in the continent. We know that Messmer was cursed to have the snake, BECAUSE of something that Marika did. (I Believe it was mentioned in his Remembrance) So perhaps Marika knew Eiglay, and her betrayal of that snake was the betrayal mentioned in the trailer. And thus her spawn would be cursed with his own serpent, as a symbol of that betrayal. Just like how her other sons would be cursed as Omen. Now, Eiglay either survived, or was somehow brought back from the dead by Rykard. Who wanted the power to usurp the Erdtree. One of Rykard’s abilities is to call spirits, which seemingly has little to do with serpents (as Spirit-Calling is more associated with Sorceries and Int). So perhaps Rykard brought back the soul of Eiglay, and made his body the vessel. JUSR LIKE how Miquella brought back Radahn’s soul, and put it into Mogh’s body. However, Rykard obviously retains some level of conscious, so he might’ve altered that ritual to some extent to benefit himself more.
to this day, i still wonder if malenia just spawned her children/off shoots. atternatively, who's the noble and brave fellow(s) crazy enough to father these children and probably die at each attempt.
I havent played the DLC so please forgive me if I'm in error due to missing key information but, I don't understand how a sound argument can be made for physical, sexual reproduction of humans in The Lands Between.
Great vid bro, worth the 2nd recording. 😉 This shines a light on the biggest mystery in Elden Ring at the moment... everyone wants to know "what's the deal with the snake skin of bonny village?" Cheers mate! 🍻
The investigation continues... I also have a theory that the base snake of messmer, the god devouring serpent and Eiglay are all parts to a bigger whole, like how Miquella was shedding parts of himself towards the path of godhood.
You make a really good point. Perhaps it’s not it, but instead an offspring? Hell maybe even the egg we see in the chapel, snakes have places where their legs and arms should have been maybe they lost it when they were born?
Hallo :) On the thumpnail is written: this changes everything, with a picture of marika Holding a baby. So what changes everything, and what is with the statue?
Sorry for the confusion! The only in game pictures of Marika have a lot of background stuff, which would most likely make the thumbnail look a bit weird, so I used a picture of Marika’s model! This changes everything refers to the contents of the video :)
Sorry I’m late to the comments, I was on vacation in LA so I was also disrupted 😂. But since I was sea side I got some of the FRESHEST prawn you’ve ever seen bud and had some in your honor!🎉 Now tell me ‘bout dem snakes!!
This was great and nice spot with the serpent on the coffins!! I completely agree with your theory that Rykard's snake, the skin in bonny village and the one in volcano manor are all part of one. the only myster for me still left is why the skin is in Bonny Village. If we just look at plain facts it could seem like the serpent has been put into the jars too. We see how Rykard snake is able to absorbe heroes to gain power, similar to how the shamans are able to melt with other bodies. But shedding skin for snakes it means they are growing... to grow they need to eat.. so what if in Bonny Village the snake was feeding? i really don't know where this theory goes.. does it mean that the hornsent were feeding him jarred creatures? was it like a natural waste machine for the leftovers? not yet sure about this theory... Also if the serpent is the god devouring serpent and it shed it's skin because it fed and it grew, then did it eat gods?
After watching this video (th-cam.com/video/t_3HuiEVvP0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FwZndpVzi1bTGUOD) and yours, I feel like you're both correct. I think Eiglay IS the Gloam-Eyed Queen. I also believe she was the first attempt at creating a saint, before the jars. Think about it. The jars are a container filled with shaman bodies, and what is Eiglay? A LIVING container filled with shamans (gods). Eiglay is literally exactly what they were trying to create. What if Eiglay ate so many shamans, that it slowly took their form? It took human form as the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Then later obtained the rune pf death, which could have just been given to her by the greater will, because she is the perfect being to wield it, a living embodiment of death. Death of so so many shamans, to create her. Nobody ever asks WHY the Godskins skin gods, but what if they do it to prepare the flesh of the god for consumption by their queen, Eiglay? It would make a great deal of sense, because she is a serpent, who sheds her own skin to grow, and the godskins could be ritualisticly skinning gods to imitate their mother and leader? They take the skin, wear it, and maybe one day they will grow from it and shed it, becoming gods themselves, as the GEQ is. She would be the perfect exact opposite to Marika. The Hornsent screwed up, they created the devil of the lands between, instead of the god they desired, so they figured if they used a different container for the flesh, it would work. Then they started to use the jars, because of the mistake they made.
I think you’ve just cracked the code and honestly? I’m beyond blown away! It makes so so much sense! It would also explain why the god devouring serpent eats them and they don’t die? Maybe I’m teaching but that seems like some control of death! Awesome theory I love it!
Look at Messmer's armor under the red cloth. Looks like Malekith's, with wraps very similar to the Wormfaces in Faram Azula. All of these characters are associated with death, which is the colours of black and gold...and red. Look at the shade of red of Messmer's flame. Look at all the black wisps. Now recall what Destined Death looks like, when we defeat Malekith. Messmer is some kind of manifestation or incarnation or aspect of the rune of Death. That's what all the demigods are; living aspects of Great Runes. It's why the demigods that gave up their great runes (Ranni and Miquella) also give up their bodies in the process, and are only able to persist as a spiritual entity through rigorous training and learning, leading them to different dark, esoteric ritual methods of attaining immortality through the ability to persist past physical death.
Well, hello new Subscribee. That's technically not a "word" yet but we need to make it so, because saying "channel I've subscribed to" is just too damn much.
PS. This is now up there with some of my favorite specu-lore-tion videos from the community. Very interesting, well articulated and connects a lot of dots.
Great video, really enjoyed it! I've always thought that the affair that lead to gold was with the serpent. I think Marika betrayed a bunch of people to steal godhood for herself. She likely used the gloam eyed Queen to kill her own fingers, as to not get her own hands dirty. She likely used the serpents to get immediate power, and likely the gold threads she used to craft her own rune. After she killed her fingers, abandoned the GEQ, the greater will, and the hornsent, stepping through the gate in her own to become a god that had "The kindness of gold without order", the other factions would have turned on her. Biding their time and waiting to make moves (the snake with rykard, the GEQ killing her son, and the greater will showing up to enforce the order that Marika tried to escape from).
Oof this community is such a mess... Its pretty clear after the DLC... there is no story lol no history... Its just like 1000 allegories smashed together with some historical references to hold it all together. They either didnt have time to finish or they intentionally left it this way so that the "history" felt authenticly messy as it would in reality. Further speculation is pointless
I mean there is history and stories, that’s what this video is about, speculating on the information we have at hand. IMO fromsoftware has always been enigmatic with its stories
@@theemeraldgecko310 I feel you trust me I do. I just wish you guys were more consistent and united. There used to be community wide consensus like Vaati was able to cultivate for the previous titles. But now it feels more like theres too many cooks in the kitchen.. Everyone is just in such a rush to produce content and please the algorithm. As a community we've lost the solidarity we once had. Its kinda cool in a sad way lol Its exactly like a religious schism 😅 I guess its inevitable..
@@hankskorpio5857 Bro, wait till you discover how fanbases of other settings with deep lore speculate on theories. From Wow to 40k to Mass Effect, to Elder Scrolls. And don't get me started on Pokemon and Mario theories, oh boy!
@@epiccthulu Yeah I guess in the beginning I thought the Souls series deserved better. But now its kind of selling out so yeah the problem is only likely to continue
I never thought about this until now, but now that you mention it. Perhaps the godskins take the skin of gods and feed their remains to Eiglay. Both get something out of deal. I think it is dumb I never thought about what the godskins did with the bodies. Perhaps The GEQ needed a similar vessel to the Divine gate made of flesh and what better a choice than a serpent. @theemeraldgecko310
Also the lady that gives you the O Mother gesture is actually sprouting plants out of her back while her body sits infront of a tree. Brings to mind the grandmother in the shame village. The weird thing is that she is missing her head. Messmer has a snake in his head behind his eye, so could she have been beheaded and that lead to the creation of the snake that lived within.
Hey everyone! Sorry for the disruption of the schedule, hope you all enjoy!
I forgot to say, a further connection between Eiglay and Messmer's snakes is the fact in Eiglays church the snake sculpture's have wings!
►The discord for the channel: discord.gg/xv8t5bFSzd
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Was not expecting diddy on a Elden ring video. One second gonna need baby oil for this one
Hey bro mind saving me some I'm low, shops are closed🙏
@@theemeraldgecko310have you tried grabbing some from diddy’s stash?
@@bendrowned8506 I tried but he didn't call me back, voicemail said we had to cut communication, something about parties 🤷♂
I’ll bring the eggs
@@JFKennedeezAmen thanks bro
My theory is that the gloam eyed queen was indeed the god of the old age and that the residents of Bonnie village were in charge of making the godskins by mixing people and shamans in pots with the shed skin of Eiglay and this can explain with the Godskins have snake like features
Holy shit this is awesome!!! I kid you not this is one of the best theories I’ve ever heard!
The nobles are even slightly pot shaped
@Based_investor god damnn it you’re right holy
Hmm... my only issue is that they are literally called "Godslayer". I think GEQ was an Empyrean who was defeated by Marika/Maliketh. If she had been responsible for the shaman torture... then we might have heard something... idk.
Love it
Has anyone else noticed that the coiled shed snake skin is eerily similar in shape to the spiral fabric behind every Marika statue that we see?
@@BibliothekMaus Messmer's snakes also form a similar shape to Marika's flowing cloth, further reinforcing the serpent connection to her
Maybe if you stand in front of diddy and use the law of regression he turns into epstein...... :)
OH MY GOD YOU’VE CRACKED THE CODE
Just a random detail: When Malenia raises her rot wings, it looks like the Divine Gate
Wait does it!?!???
@theemeraldgecko310 yeah I was just watching the cutscene you used at the end of the video lol
I've always felt that Eiglay was the crucible version of elden beast, and perhaps even was fed the skinned bodies of the gods by the GEQ to make it stronger-- basically its always felt to me like that the serpent inside its stomach everyone becomes one, akin to how the jars work, and therefore the power of these victims to eiglay become its power, just as rykard says to 'join the serpent king as family', as rykard isnt called the serpent king, and eiglay has been used by fromsoftware as a male name before, im assuming the serpent king is eiglay, perhaps the serpent king consort of the gloam eyed queen? what do you think
I don’t think this is awesome! I was more considering him being a god, but you’re theory makes a hell of a lot more sense!!!
Something worth noting is that the winged snake statues in the Church of Eiglay are also in the Flooded Church in Shadow Keep, the one with the lift down to the Scadutree Sanctum. And given Hornsent is surprised that Messmer is a 'base serpent', this means that the snake was likely already derided by the Hornsent as a culture. Which I rationalize as the contrast between Enir-Ilim being sacred and above, and the sanctum of the Serpent being down below.
That's quite the intro...
In a good way? 👀
@@theemeraldgecko310very wet s’s ❤
Goddamn it I can't even escape all the pdf files in a Elden Ring video 😞
Nowhere is safe!
MWHAHAAHAHAH
Some thoughts: you point that the snake who shares body with Rykard are a Numen/Shaman; the Shaman blends their flash harmoniously, just like Rykard did to the snake.
I dont know why but, if the Godskin peeled the skin from the formless mother? I mean, they pulled off and what remais is bloody without a specific form.
And why the Divine Tower with Radahn rune houses the sword of the GEQ??? This always piss me off
Man jump scare warning with Diddy next time 😂
Noted, i'll make sure there's a warning🙏
I got confused because i though i was going to watch an Elden Ring video. Then i though it was an update on the Diddy situation, which i was like "okay sure ill watch it". Then it turned into an Elden Ring video XD
Sorry for the confusion 😭🙏
wildest intro for an elden ring lore video
Is that a good thing?😋
I just noticed from watching your videos, the hand that pulls the sword out of the snakes mouth, looks just like the fingercreepers just with more rings
It is "saint" as in a good person. "Don't whip me, I promise I'll be a living saint!" As in a person with good morals, not some divine being. The hornset stuffed crunched up criminals into a jar with a Shaman inside, then imprisoned them, with the hopes that they will becoming "saintly" as in "Better, more moral, people." That's what the Japanese text is saying a "living jar saint". And item descriptions of the jars in the core game reference this directly: "Though the jars are brought to life by human flesh and blood, they are all rather kindly folk. Perhaps they were made to be better than their innards." See that? It directly references the Japanese version of the description.
That being said, let me point out the obvious placement of the snake skin. They stuffed criminals into the snake, forcing it to grow, but unlike living jars it grew hungrier. It did not become a "Living Saint". Unless, of course, we want to say that Marika was stuffed inside that snake.
Thank you for clearing this up, I missed a lot it seems lmao! I agree, I love the idea that’s why he devours gods and beings!!
@@theemeraldgecko310 Its funny how the english translation, even for me, of the ghost image didn’t register as being a figure of speech. “My mom, she was a living saint” is something people say in the real world. The translation issues is legitimately my biggest complaint of an otherwise perfect expansion
I think the living jars we see in the Lands Between are different than those of the Land of Shadow. We actually see Alexander stuffing himself with fallen corpses after the Radahn Festival, but in the Land of Shadows, people were evidently alive when they were stuffed into the jars.
@@Nemo12417 Different, of course, but the item description references where the practice came from
There is an item description that says The Land of Shadow was the first place Marika step foot and became a God… she was born there, not traveled there…
Yet the Numen are from another world? It says it’s the first place Marika stepped foot in the lands of shadow? Maybe that just means where they first landed?
I love watching these Elden Ring lore videos. It is insane how much thought goes into making these games.
Ey bro thanks so much! And yeah I agree these games are amazing
I had this Idea for yearsss I swear the serpent wouldn’t be considered blasphemous if it wasn’t directly connected to marika which also explains how its flesh melds with everyone it eats so easily. Rycard being a demigod is the only reason he was able to take control of it but other than that it’s more or less like a man eating Numen able to eat and blend everything with it including the gods which also might explain why the godskins where so successful they where made to win at that point
I’m glad I’m not alone!!! Awesome thoughts dude!
Try this: the Hornsent, being huge suckers for beasts, just saw Eiglay go about her shedding ritual, and being the trickster she is, convinced them that she did that to purify the souls of who she ate, and that Shaman do the same when they "meld" with others
I don't recall where, but there was a tablet or something around those coffin ships that suggested they were built to carry the cremated remains of the dead to the afterlife (or something like that) by sinking into the earth, and i think the putrescent knight's description clarifies that while the remains were supposed to be fully cremated, when the power of ghostflame was stripped it instead left charred corpses, which proceeded to putrify. Not sure a stone ship full of charred corpses designed to sink into the earth makes for a good ark 🤷
The Snake held some importances with the residents of Mt. Gelmir. It probably was the center of some culture in the continent.
We know that Messmer was cursed to have the snake, BECAUSE of something that Marika did. (I Believe it was mentioned in his Remembrance)
So perhaps Marika knew Eiglay, and her betrayal of that snake was the betrayal mentioned in the trailer. And thus her spawn would be cursed with his own serpent, as a symbol of that betrayal. Just like how her other sons would be cursed as Omen.
Now, Eiglay either survived, or was somehow brought back from the dead by Rykard. Who wanted the power to usurp the Erdtree.
One of Rykard’s abilities is to call spirits, which seemingly has little to do with serpents (as Spirit-Calling is more associated with Sorceries and Int).
So perhaps Rykard brought back the soul of Eiglay, and made his body the vessel. JUSR LIKE how Miquella brought back Radahn’s soul, and put it into Mogh’s body.
However, Rykard obviously retains some level of conscious, so he might’ve altered that ritual to some extent to benefit himself more.
to this day, i still wonder if malenia just spawned her children/off shoots. atternatively, who's the noble and brave fellow(s) crazy enough to father these children and probably die at each attempt.
Do you know of Athena? As we aren’t ever told how and no father is said to have braved the Rotussy, maybe they were mind babies?
@@theemeraldgecko310 i didnt know that, makes sense tho.
I havent played the DLC so please forgive me if I'm in error due to missing key information but, I don't understand how a sound argument can be made for physical, sexual reproduction of humans in The Lands Between.
Great vid bro, worth the 2nd recording. 😉 This shines a light on the biggest mystery in Elden Ring at the moment... everyone wants to know "what's the deal with the snake skin of bonny village?" Cheers mate! 🍻
Eyyyy thank you bro I really appreciate it! Cheers to you too 🍻
The investigation continues...
I also have a theory that the base snake of messmer, the god devouring serpent and Eiglay are all parts to a bigger whole, like how Miquella was shedding parts of himself towards the path of godhood.
I know Fromsoft said they didn’t want to continue base game storylines, but I like to think it’s Zoryas’s, or Rya’s
Thank you for the video!!! Love it!
Thanks so much ! Glad you liked it!
Great video 0:04 yes 😭
Thank you! Oh bro I’m sorry
The god devawering serpent is not the same we saw it eating Raykerd it was to small In comparison to the other two
You make a really good point. Perhaps it’s not it, but instead an offspring? Hell maybe even the egg we see in the chapel, snakes have places where their legs and arms should have been maybe they lost it when they were born?
Hallo :)
On the thumpnail is written: this changes everything, with a picture of marika Holding a baby.
So what changes everything, and what is with the statue?
Sorry for the confusion! The only in game pictures of Marika have a lot of background stuff, which would most likely make the thumbnail look a bit weird, so I used a picture of Marika’s model! This changes everything refers to the contents of the video :)
Sorry I’m late to the comments, I was on vacation in LA so I was also disrupted 😂. But since I was sea side I got some of the FRESHEST prawn you’ve ever seen bud and had some in your honor!🎉 Now tell me ‘bout dem snakes!!
You do not need to apologise WHATSOEVER! Hope LA went well? THANK YOU I CAN TASTE THEM NOW FROM ACROSS THE GRAPE VINE! Hope you enjoy!
Viking longship burial
This was great and nice spot with the serpent on the coffins!!
I completely agree with your theory that Rykard's snake, the skin in bonny village and the one in volcano manor are all part of one. the only myster for me still left is why the skin is in Bonny Village. If we just look at plain facts it could seem like the serpent has been put into the jars too. We see how Rykard snake is able to absorbe heroes to gain power, similar to how the shamans are able to melt with other bodies.
But shedding skin for snakes it means they are growing... to grow they need to eat.. so what if in Bonny Village the snake was feeding? i really don't know where this theory goes.. does it mean that the hornsent were feeding him jarred creatures? was it like a natural waste machine for the leftovers? not yet sure about this theory...
Also if the serpent is the god devouring serpent and it shed it's skin because it fed and it grew, then did it eat gods?
After watching this video (th-cam.com/video/t_3HuiEVvP0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FwZndpVzi1bTGUOD) and yours, I feel like you're both correct. I think Eiglay IS the Gloam-Eyed Queen. I also believe she was the first attempt at creating a saint, before the jars. Think about it. The jars are a container filled with shaman bodies, and what is Eiglay? A LIVING container filled with shamans (gods).
Eiglay is literally exactly what they were trying to create. What if Eiglay ate so many shamans, that it slowly took their form? It took human form as the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Then later obtained the rune pf death, which could have just been given to her by the greater will, because she is the perfect being to wield it, a living embodiment of death. Death of so so many shamans, to create her.
Nobody ever asks WHY the Godskins skin gods, but what if they do it to prepare the flesh of the god for consumption by their queen, Eiglay? It would make a great deal of sense, because she is a serpent, who sheds her own skin to grow, and the godskins could be ritualisticly skinning gods to imitate their mother and leader? They take the skin, wear it, and maybe one day they will grow from it and shed it, becoming gods themselves, as the GEQ is. She would be the perfect exact opposite to Marika.
The Hornsent screwed up, they created the devil of the lands between, instead of the god they desired, so they figured if they used a different container for the flesh, it would work. Then they started to use the jars, because of the mistake they made.
I think you’ve just cracked the code and honestly? I’m beyond blown away! It makes so so much sense! It would also explain why the god devouring serpent eats them and they don’t die? Maybe I’m teaching but that seems like some control of death! Awesome theory I love it!
Look at Messmer's armor under the red cloth. Looks like Malekith's, with wraps very similar to the Wormfaces in Faram Azula. All of these characters are associated with death, which is the colours of black and gold...and red.
Look at the shade of red of Messmer's flame. Look at all the black wisps. Now recall what Destined Death looks like, when we defeat Malekith.
Messmer is some kind of manifestation or incarnation or aspect of the rune of Death. That's what all the demigods are; living aspects of Great Runes. It's why the demigods that gave up their great runes (Ranni and Miquella) also give up their bodies in the process, and are only able to persist as a spiritual entity through rigorous training and learning, leading them to different dark, esoteric ritual methods of attaining immortality through the ability to persist past physical death.
The worm faces are the things at the finger ruins
@@undine5938 no, those are lamprey. They may be related, but they're seperate entities
Going by title alone;
Is it rykard?
P diddy hasn't, but 50cent released a song about it - does that count?
well bro they're 2 different types of snakes Messmers are close to a Boa and Eigly more like a pit viper, could mean something
Definitely agree, mistake on my part I agree
Merica in a jar?
Possibly!
(Marika!!! Fuck yeah!)> 🦅
Well, hello new Subscribee. That's technically not a "word" yet but we need to make it so, because saying "channel I've subscribed to" is just too damn much.
PS. This is now up there with some of my favorite specu-lore-tion videos from the community. Very interesting, well articulated and connects a lot of dots.
Lmaooooo I cannot Agree more I petition this to be a new word!
Plus I cannot put into words how much they means to me, from the bottom of my Heart thank you!
The elden beasy the dragons they are SERAPHIM
Which is were we get serpent
Great video, really enjoyed it!
I've always thought that the affair that lead to gold was with the serpent. I think Marika betrayed a bunch of people to steal godhood for herself. She likely used the gloam eyed Queen to kill her own fingers, as to not get her own hands dirty. She likely used the serpents to get immediate power, and likely the gold threads she used to craft her own rune. After she killed her fingers, abandoned the GEQ, the greater will, and the hornsent, stepping through the gate in her own to become a god that had "The kindness of gold without order", the other factions would have turned on her. Biding their time and waiting to make moves (the snake with rykard, the GEQ killing her son, and the greater will showing up to enforce the order that Marika tried to escape from).
Oof this community is such a mess...
Its pretty clear after the DLC... there is no story lol no history...
Its just like 1000 allegories smashed together with some historical references to hold it all together.
They either didnt have time to finish or they intentionally left it this way so that the "history" felt authenticly messy as it would in reality.
Further speculation is pointless
I mean there is history and stories, that’s what this video is about, speculating on the information we have at hand. IMO fromsoftware has always been enigmatic with its stories
@@theemeraldgecko310 I feel you trust me I do. I just wish you guys were more consistent and united. There used to be community wide consensus like Vaati was able to cultivate for the previous titles. But now it feels more like theres too many cooks in the kitchen.. Everyone is just in such a rush to produce content and please the algorithm. As a community we've lost the solidarity we once had.
Its kinda cool in a sad way lol
Its exactly like a religious schism 😅
I guess its inevitable..
@@hankskorpio5857 Bro, wait till you discover how fanbases of other settings with deep lore speculate on theories. From Wow to 40k to Mass Effect, to Elder Scrolls. And don't get me started on Pokemon and Mario theories, oh boy!
@@epiccthulu Yeah I guess in the beginning I thought the Souls series deserved better. But now its kind of selling out so yeah the problem is only likely to continue
@@hankskorpio5857 “deserved better” and “selling out”? lol ok, I see why you’re here xD
I never thought about this until now, but now that you mention it. Perhaps the godskins take the skin of gods and feed their remains to Eiglay. Both get something out of deal. I think it is dumb I never thought about what the godskins did with the bodies. Perhaps The GEQ needed a similar vessel to the Divine gate made of flesh and what better a choice than a serpent.
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Also the lady that gives you the O Mother gesture is actually sprouting plants out of her back while her body sits infront of a tree. Brings to mind the grandmother in the shame village. The weird thing is that she is missing her head. Messmer has a snake in his head behind his eye, so could she have been beheaded and that lead to the creation of the snake that lived within.
Holy shit dude you’re absolutely cooking, I hadn’t thought of this either but you’re right!!
Great theory!