JQ at number 1? I agree with this. People still say he is 100% only for Acheron. My man does SO MUCH more for all teams than just being Acheron's main squeeze.
Exactly. You can't call her overrated because people legitimately thought she was going to be mid. It took us getting our hands on her and using her for a few patches to realize that she's just as insane as Firefly and Acheron.
Notice how on this list the community treated every single one of these characters as trash and garbage and they only work for one team. So I'm not pulling for them. The community has a problem with taking characters and saying they're trash just so they don't feel bad for skipping them
I definitely agree with most of these. I thought I was about to have buyer’s remorse when I pulled Boothill and Foxguy. Very happy I pulled the trigger. Boothill’s nukes are legendary, and Boyfox is insane with Acheron.
I think both misha and xueyi are underrated, maybe honorable mentions only, they are not insane, but I really think they are among the most usable 4 star characters. Also, Serval for PF, no investment, if the rotation has heavy lightning weakness she is just broken.
Being a Texan I had to get Boothill and I'm happy did. As with his Light Cone too. He and Fei are my top two damage dealers on my account. So, seeing him at the top makes me happy. That guy Fudging rocks. End of Forking story. JQ or I call him Kurama in honor the character from YuYu Hakusho. I got him around the end of his banner and the guys simply good. Acheron and him just clear boards and I love it.
I respect the YYH reference but how can you call Jiaoqiu kurama when Argenti covered in roses with bright red hair is right there! I got Argenti bc he reminded me of kurama lol
I think Boothill should be number 1 slept on character instead of Jiaoqiu since lots of people do realize Jiaoqiu potential especially in Acheron comp. But Boothill was even more overshadowed by FF's banner. People be simping for the girlfriend and chose to doompost the gigachad Boothill
@@JosepiThe13th except people did doompost BH. i still remember lots of people calling him shit just because he cant freely implant weakness like FF. Some of them even claimed that the moment there is no mobs that are weak to Physical, BH will just become irrelevant. But in fact, he still performs well even against that. Also some other people still believe that being a Hunt character is straight up dead on deliver and Destruction is the best. They just cant be more wrong
Completely insane take by smack. Yunli was one of the least pulled characters in the whole game but she shreds through all types of content and has been doing so since she came out. Thats the definition of underrated. He mentions Jade as the only character who is better than Herta in PF and thats false, Yunli is also guaranteed 40K especially if you use ER rope. She is also super good at stuff like Aventurine and Hoolay and if you have her at E1S1 like I do, its a huge power spike again.
@@soranamae Smack has been pulling out some wildly awful takes lately in seems. "Firefly overrated." "Rappa > Firefly." "Yunli overrated." Idk what he's getting into, but I don't think he's going to "be right in the future" this time around 💀
@@JosepiThe13th Yeah Firefly being overrated is obviously bait. She completely changed my account. In 2.2 MoC I was already starting to struggle to 3 star floor 12 with my old 1.x DPS, would clear with like 1-2 cycles left or so. After getting Firefly and Yunli Ive gone back to 0-2 cycling everything.
@@soranamae Because since 2.3 all MoC bosses are catered to her. How many times they ran the choir.. Imo bait or not he is right about Firefly and I do believe Rappa is a better investment. Literally without her Lingsha dps,Himeko even JQ can beat the same bosses maybe 1 cycle late. Her supports make her good meaning she is very susceptible to powercreep.
The whole community made me believe that Boothill was an average dps when he got first released because there was barely any talk about him, but when I used him in MoC he outdid my DHIL(who was considered to be one of the strongest dps back then) even without Ruan Mei, and that against imaginary weak enemies. I am surprised it took people so long to realise how busted he can be in MoC and AS And to think he does that even if you put shit like healing bonus or effect hit rate body or lightning damage orb on him. Blud doesnt care about main stats on two of the hardest relic pieces to get lol I have Acheron too and she never performed as well as my Boothill either
He's not a bad character. The problem is limited resources. If you can only guarantee one character most people would rather have Firefly than Boothill so they skipped. Same thing is happening to Rappa now. If she's basically another Firefly there's no reason to pull her if you already have Firefly and/or Boothill when we have Acheron/Aven this patch and Sunday/Fugue coming next patch. If you can only pick one most aren't picking Rappa
@@Omegeddon i am not saying anything about that. I know why he isnt popular. His banner got shafted between the favourite waifu and a busted harmony character. He didnt get any promotion before his banner, nobody knew who he was. That being said, when he came out there wasnt a single talk about him even though how ridiculous his damage was compared to all the other characters back then?Also prydwen placed him on the same tier as Jingliu, DHIL, Dot and below Acheron who didnt even get Jiaoqiu yet in an E0S0 tier list (💀).
He was the best ST damage before Feixiao. But Acheron is AoE, which is why she's better. He does more against one target, but she can kill more targets in one turn.
Exactly. Frankly I kinda wish they gave Jiaoqius kit to a female character so Acheron havers can have their waifu team and I would’ve wanted lingshas kit for jiaoqiu. Oh well 😞
@@xhydrox ah for Acheron? Nice! I don’t have her or want her but I wanted Jiaoqiu despite not having a team to use him on. Jiaoqiu deserved to be a healer
@@shjinriven3408 People hated her because her healing isn't excessive like that of loucha and lingha ☠️ and the game isn't difficult and doesn't require much survival
@@shjinriven3408 People being stupid thinking she wasn't as good as Luocha. Even though her healing is just as good as his and she gives the energy and Atk buffs. They just wanted an excuse to skip for Ruan Mei, I guess :P
Jiaoqiu my glorious king, what more can I say about you. He’s legitimately like a nihility Ruan Mei, he works on EVERY team to great effect as a result of Vulnerability being a universally applicable debuff, no energy hassle whatsoever which leads to him having permanent uptime while maintaining sp positivity, and they say he’s only good for Acheron? NONSENSE! What if I looked you all in your eyes and said he was on Yunli’s best in slot team as well? Get Tingyun off the pitch, the real heavy hitters should be using Yunli/JQ/Robin/HH, that’s where the real damage is! Plus he’s probably the freest insert on any sort of sustainless comps but no one knows because they continue to sleep on him still, the tragedy!
Guin is constantly slept on by Grandpa Smack. He mentions her ability to function on an Acheron team but doesn't give love to her ability as a super break unit. Personally, I believe she deserves more than honorable mention, but she is a 4 star after all
She does nothing special with 'super break' build though. Her skill has 20 break value (and 10 to adjacent units), which is absolutely standard and so does her ultimate. You might as well run super break Jingliu and the damage would be more or less the same, bar for the little bit of additional damage Gui's Firekiss provides. The only reason why do you *think* she is good is that she has the same element as Gallagher/Lingsha, so breaking is easier.
@nia_cherie I love when someone else tells me why I believe something to be true 😂 Guin has break effect built into her kit and you can run the Herta shop LC Solitary Healing for more, meaning she can easily get up to 200 break effect before the fight begins and makes running Iron Cavalry a really strong option. When I deal 300K damage off a skill when breaking two Elites I don't consider that "nothing special". Fire is the second best element for breaking behind physical and to say "the only reason you think that is because Gallagher or Lingsha also help break" that same exact logic would apply directly to Firefly lol she can be run in DoT teams, she can be run as a debuffer for Ratio or Acheron, and she can be run in super break and she's a damn 4 star character. Not sure what else you want out a of unit honestly 🫶
@@nia_cherie The Firekiss debuff goes a long way in boosting her damage. Also, saying "Jingliu would do just as well" is wrong for many other reasons. Fire Break is stronger than Ice Break, for one. For two, Guinaifen Ult is AoE not Blast. And thirdly, Guinevere has Break Effect traces, so she's already starting at a higher base than most others. She's literally the 5th best Superbreak unit in the entire game only losing out to the 5 star Break DPSs.
I thought the main reason Jiaoqiu was shit on was bc of him being a "healer", but not actually healing. He was kinda teased everywhere as the Nihility Debuff/Sustain for an Acheron team, but after the healing got removed, i think a lot of people (me included honestly) were just pissed off about him "only" being an upgraded Pela
That's def a reason, but you should've seen the outrage online when he got nerfed in testing. People kept saying he was unplayable, worst character, etc. Truly ridiculous
@@GodofGoblins I didn't really keep up with the leaks around the time after they said the healing was removed and Yunli was one of the characters i was least interested in, so i didn't see anything of that outrage. But if it's worse than what Rappa has/had going on, then i can imagine what an absolute shithole that must have been
His healing wasn't removed as you can't remove something that wasn't there in the first place. It never made it into his beta kit and only existed in one of the many concept character kits which some leakers got wrong.
@@Shush7717 Yeah sorry, i meant before the beta, the healing seemed to be a thing from leakers and when it was official he didn't have it, i had no interest in the 2.4 banners at all
Jiaochiu is cooking , he cook all , who let this man cook 💀. Like he so good , you can play him on other team not only arche team, you can play him on yunli team and even fexiao , yup fexiao work well with him if you don't have robin , she still doing fine
For current MoC PF Apocalyptic Shadow, Himeko is on my every team and I 3* cleared it with ease. What I love about her she can play in different gamestyle; Super Break and Crit damage teams. If you don't have any fire elemental coverage, she's a blessing when you lose to 50/50.
I envy those who didn't follow leaks during Jiaoqiu's beta. It was an absolute disaster. So many braindead takes and doomposting galore, even more than what other characters received. The irony that it was the worst on his own mains subreddit. When you go to Acheron mains subreddit as well, you would see so many people coping that Jiaoqiu isn't a good enough upgrade for their waifu, that the idea of a man next to her was the most disgusting thing that could happen. Not saying all Acheron mains are pathetic incels, but during his beta, you would see so many of these kinds of comments on the subreddit. What made it even worse was that around this time as well, Fugue was leaked as a fire nihility, so then people started spreading the idea that Fugue would powercreep Jiaoqiu because he is a male character and because Fugue is a waifu, she'll be the better character. Like there's no denying that the female characters get more favoritism, but not to this extent. The entire time, I couldn't wait for Jiaoqiu to finally release, so people can finally see that he is a FINE character. More than just fine, bro is broken af.
I still think they fumbled the bag with his healing identity that was actually pain and I still think the power of the half ass DoT parts of his kit should’ve just been reallocated to other things but he is still a superb unit and the doomposting made it sound like he was gonna be T4 on arrival… still upset I lost the 50/50 on him
I dont even think it's because he's a male character for acheron mains lmao, Aventurine and Gallagher are some of their top recommendations for alot of comps anyways. People just doompost every character tho Jiaoqiu did have it bad on another level, like the rappa doompost seems mild compared to the shitshow he went through
Most people were mad that they removed Jiaoqiu's healing and nerfed his damage Jiaoqiu is not bad but his original version during the testing phase was incredible. Before his nerfs he was easily top 5 in the game. He went from a top 5, to you can skip him and be fine.
I was around during the leaks for Jiaoqiu and people clearly saw everything through doom tinted lenses… he was literally fine, every single character has been fine after the beta. But people were so caught up with Jiaoqiu because he was getting nerfed instead of looking at his value as a whole. He’s good even with the nerfs, people were so over dramatic about Jiaoqiu showing they have absolutely no ability to understand a character’s value… I’m honestly so glad that the community aren’t the ones balancing the game because they show little to no understanding about the game… they complain about power creep but would unironically be the ones to cause it with the mentality that every character needs to be broken.
I mean... I like Jiaoqiu so much I got him despite not having Acheron, and I'm pulling mostly for meta. But I have every harmony unit and I rarely use JQ because he's never the best pick for any of my teams. He's always good but never the best. I think that's why people doomposted him, they wanted him to have a wider niche where he's the most optimal choice, and he only has Acheron for that. That aside, visually his design is one of the laziest in the entire game. They took a premium NPC model, slapped some fluffy pink ears and tail on it and called it a day. He's one of my favorite characters but dang, his outfit is too basic.
@@Ali_Fuchs Not only Acheron tbf. He's also BiS for Ratio. And at E2 he's BiS in the DoT team. He is still fairly tied to Acheron for the most part, though. But if we ever get any future debuff dependent DPSs, he will see more use.
So you're telling me that my instincts are incredible. I use so many of these slept-on characters because they look cool. I rolled on Bootthill and got two copies in a 10 spot. I was shamed by a coworker for not building my Firefly because I wasn't interested.
I mean, if you have a Firefly, you should absolutely build her. You spent Jades on her. May as well get your money's worth. Still, Boothill is a great unit. Very solid DPS. Absolutely slaps the Hoolay boss around.
to be fair i think the only reason jade and rappa are slept on is not because theyre bad but because theyre pure fiction units and theyre all sidestepped by normal MOC-designed characters. and for some reason all the pure fiction characters lore wise are all side characters that arent really important. tingyun and sunday just have way more appeal.
glad Argenti is on the list, so many people skipped because of his "mid" kit. I pulled for him because I love his personality and design and then I found after proper investment Argenti is able to compete well with other high end DPS plus its all for his beloved Idrilla
@deadweight7334 it's only him though, everyone else seems to recognize she is really good, just got an unfortunate timing for her banner, a patch before Feixiao
@@LucasGomes-ng2go in the leaks sub she was getting literally as much hate as fire fox dude, calling her Clara pro max, and saying that it's the patch of the skip, the only reason fox dude seemed to get more hate is because he got nerfed into oblivion
19:55 i agree, i use him on my sustainless FF team allday everyday. He make acheron team T0 as well in purefiction. Hes value will just gonna go up when for dps with ult which is almost 95% of dps
I skipped all break units so I had the gems to go for Jade E1 and I must say...one of the best E1 to make a unit more viable. I use her, Topaz and Feixiao and E1 Fu Xuan and this Team cooks. Jade gets 10 times more usecases after her E1.
@@max_mojo4917 she doesn’t need an ice meta to sustain, and she’s has a good synergie with Feixiao, arguably the best unlimited sustain in most fights for her.
@@Rastaboulotteyes, another one who used Preservation March as a Feixiao sustain! Especially if you put shields on everyone, she can provide up to 3 stacks for Feixiao per turn.
@@mugipyon723 she more or less just need to shield Herself or Robin, Robin will bait CC which she is immune to and will generate more energy with march shield extra aggro
Could not agree more with Jade her e1 is beyond broken, and if you are 1 of the 10 people that have it congrats you have unlocked some of the most fun teams I have ever played. Jade e1 + Feixiou feels real good every turn Fei gets Jade will follow-up up, Fei gets 3 attacks per skill and each attack is 3 stacks. It makes Fei tier 0 in Pure Fiction. Normally killing the boss at the end can be rough but Fei slaps that bad boi to the shadow realm and Jade murks anybody else left standing. XD Of course the combo works with anybody that attacks 3x real Quick. I have tried her with Jingliu, Clara and even Galaghar XD The sky is the limit with e1 Jade
It seems I love underrated chars XD, the dps' on my MAIN account are Boothill, Yunli, Argenti and Yuan. I didn't want Yunli but I got her and her lc so randomly and early and I'm scared how good she is. I thought she is just a Clara 2.0 but absolutely not, she is forking amazing. One of my fav teams is the counter fua one with Blade and Yunli. I've made another account cuz I really wanted Acheron but the characters on my main acc don't fit her. I pulled Jiaoqiu and his lc only for her and I can say this was also a good decision that I will never regret.
I would like to add that Hoolay has 240 toughness. 240. That's like 4 of the choir elites (not the boss but the elites) combined. My brother in christ that is diabolical. Rappa is kind of cringe in personality but she's also cute as hell and she's pulling her own weight easily. She's more flexible than Firefly IMO. Yes, her teammates will need to help with her gaining stacks too. It's literally no different than Xueyi and she doesn't even have weakness ignore on her skill, just her ult that takes out half a Cocolia toughness bar 😆 On that note: Bootchad finally getting acknowledged makes me happy.
I got my Jiaoqiu I like everything about him. So glad I have him. Would have picked up Acheron just for him. But I already have her. Got E2S1, Might E6 him when he reruns. He does amazing for Boothill alongside RuanMei. They’re vulnerability stacks. Also will get Jade her LC when she reruns.
I'm one of the 5 people who c6s1 jiaoqiu (couldn't afford s5, he's also my first c6) and wow, he literally makes every unit in the game feel like pushing c6. I don't even need sustainers, cuz he deletes small mobs, and then buffs THE ENTIRE TEAM. his c6 is way too valuable, he gets 3 stars in every game mode fairly comfortably. my feixiao gets extra 200k in from him existing. ong I finish the swarm king weekly boss from him just existing
My man ur a bit too harsh on yunli. At some point, Moc will have opponents like the three Trotters, where you can't break their shield, combined with that one woman who infects you with DOT and whose attack isn’t valid for a counter. But right now, both Break effects and counters are meta. My point is, currently, the formats (PF, Apocalyptic Shadows, and Moc) are aligned perfectly for break effect and counters, so it’s unfair to say that as soon as the format is no longer explicitly tailored for counters, that this category brings no value when it impacts almost every other category equally when it happens like as an example when u cant break shields anymore than all break effect char. Would fall off immediately. So I rlly dont get it saying yunli is overrated when she literally does her job well. Take blade as an example bro is literally perfect for hoolay and still doesn’t do shi, still love him tho.
acheron didn't really kept up because of the format, she was there on the first place because she was good regardless of enemies, until feixao challenged her, feixiao proved to be the victor, that's why acheron was brought down, she pretty much kept her own tier on the past patches with just her bruteforce, not because of format, she lose the battle of supremacy, that's just it
@@expeditor5895 if you're talking about team comp format, then yes it is because of format, but in terms of end game formats, nah, feixiao won because of her versatility, acheron isn't versatile enough to still be strong even if you put her on other teammates, if you remove topaz and robin (feixao's main teammates) she still is the best, but if you remove pela and jiaoqiu (acheron's best teammates), she will be nowhere near feixao talking about E0S0 btw
@@gojosatoru1002 true, that's why she lose the battle of supremacy, her kit revolves on stacks, and sadly, only one character and a preservation unit with trend LC can give more than 2 stacks, if you remove her BiS support, her ults takes long to be up, that's such a massive lost on her part
You should have pointed out that Boothill doesn't need the super break supports to do well. I pulled on both him AND Firefly and found he can be run just fine as a regular hyper carry team dps with Bronya or Sparkle. while Firefly is tied to the hip to the super break team with close to no alternative. Used both of them to clear both sides of Apocalyptic shadow. even swapped them and they both scored similarly on both sides. I don't understand the Yunli one though. you can't say people skipped her and say she's overrated in the same breathe. if she was overrated like firefly she would have gotten more people to pull for her. I don't know what you're smoking but she doesn't do anything against Hoolay in MoC since he doesn't have physical weakness so while yes she counters a lot other character can clear it faster than her. as for Jade. just blame 1.x Star rail story writers for that. they made the IPC so unlikable especially the 10 stone hearts that the Hi3rd writers had to do a lot of heavy lifting to change it. i.e. every event or time Topaz comes on screen they have to emphasize SHE isn't a bad person at all. as opposed to how she was when she was first introduced where it seemed she feigned being understanding to catch Bronya and Belobog off guard and pressure them into basically turning them into IPC slaves. the main issue is both Topaz and Aventurine were victim of circumstance. while Jade wasn't so she got a lot more hate than those 2.
About the Rappa exo-break thing, people forget the fact Fugue will this on her kit, so every mode in every patch will have the exo-break if you have TG t5
i guess most people is clueless just like how FF enable each other with lingsha, so does himeko in FF superbreak team i dont have ruan mei, so i just slot in himeko there and it does wonder my 3 months old account clearing all endgame, and when lingsha coming it just cheff kiss
Misha and Qingque should both be up there. Both are characters that are underrated because no one plays them, Qingque has been either as good or better than Jingliu after Sparkle's release.
@@sct77agreed with Misha, but not really with Qingque because everyone knows she deal Qingquillion damage since 1.X. It's just very gamble-y so not many people build her even though they don't underestimate her.
@@mugipyon723 The rng thing is not really a problem, even Prydwen's calculations shows she performs extremely well even with average rng. The only problem is not critting.
the only change I'd make to this list if I'd seen it without context, is literally the one you said you deliberated on for a while. that being Rappa vs Boothill. they both deserve top 3, but with all the doomposting of Rappa, I think she easily edges over Boothill. The only reason people skipped Boothill is because he was sandwiched between acheron, aventurine, and robin. people are skipping Rappa for similar reasons but are ALSO claiming that she sucks. I may be misremembering but I don't recall many people saying Boothill was going to be bad, just that he wasn't worth it compared to those around him. all that yap just to say, pretty much agree 95%. good video as always dawg!
ngl he'll do it to ragebait firefly brats but I lowkey might agree with the placement only because superbreak core (hmc + ruan mei + gallager/lingsha) is so busted that you can make almost anyone work with it and it'll still clear comfortably.
While smack tends to troll I won't disagree that firefly is overated you can put any other dps in her core team and still achieve close to similar results het kit is undertuned and the boss stage made to make her look good can be cleared faster by another unit
the only value ff has in “her team” is applying fire vulnerability on the bar, that’s it, she’s absolutely replaceable, and she will be even more replaceable when Fugue comes out and real dpses in the team will be hmc and Lingsha XD
I personally think we can't gauge yet if Rappa is slept on or not because she's barely been out for 3 days and there's yet to come a new PF cycle where she would be actually used. Most ppl probably cleared the current cycle by now so Rappa still has to wait for her moment to shine
17:53 Not because he's a male but because he looks like an npc, the community likes males too when they are done right. e.g. aventurine, gallagher, dhil, ratio, etc
Did you see different between him and npc? I guess you dont, cause his outfit and hair are more details than npc. Having fully cultural clothes and being simple character doesnt make that character is NPC tho
Or maybe bcs he is just not flexible enough meta wise. A lot of ppl wont go out of their way for a dedicated support when the free 4 star does almost the same thing. Jades dont grow on trees. If he straight up powercreep Pela, it would be a different story. All the guy characters you mentioned are meta units, at least DHIL was during 1.x Meta sells more than husbando/waifu mentality of ppl. RM was called boring and uninteresting yet her banner sells like hotcakes. I wonder why
I literally got Himeko on the day Rappa released and I have like every single alternative (apart from Argenti) to her built. I wish I got her earlier so I can focus more on building her, as right now she probably will only pop off on my acc if there are niche uses that enable her follow up to really get going, e.g. this MoC/PF. That being said, when a future exo-toughness character eventually releases (wink wink), I can see Himeko (as well as Rappa and Xueyi) popping off really nicely even for me, and I'm really looking forward to that
@kaikaikai4477 Yeah, that's why "we" have to skip "slept on" chars because "we" safe for other chars... For example, I skipped boothill cause I wanted firefly, skipped jade cause I wanted jiaoqiu
I’m going to be 100% here and admit that I was one of the many who was going to pass on scooby doo if it wasn’t for gatcha smack making his video about how good she is! At this point I have used her on most of my teams. Thank you gatcha smack for allowing me to see her value early on!
Super Break Arlan (real) Edit: Ain't no way Boothill was underrated. Man obliterates toughness bar, hits like a damn truck, AND implants weakness on release. Man is literally the silver bullet against the most obnoxious boss in the game, Aventurine. Pre-release sure, but unless someone follows leaks, I never really saw people downplaying his performance in isolation. (Of course relative discussions are gonna bring the heat as always but if that's relevant, then everyone should be underrated.) Edit2: That Yunli argument quite literally applies to Clara as well, since they're practically the same, except Yunli's better. So why is one getting her props and the other isn't, when they both fill the same role (Physical Destruction) and do the same thing (Counter Attacking DPS), and even crazier is, the latter is the supposed "better" of the two? Edit3: Where Topaz? She was actually not taken seriously by majority of the people, until the devs pushed FUA so hard that it necessitated her.
Boothill IS underrated. You're right, he hits like a truck. But you severely underestimate how people downplayed this man. ESPECIALLY during Firefly's beta. People were saying that Firefly powercrept Boothill already. He's strong, but underappreciated by most of the fanbase, which is why he's underrated. I agree with what you said about Yunli though. She's a better Clara, who is on this list. Smack's take on it was a bit questionable. I don't think she's insanely slept on, but she deserves her flowers as well. You could make an argument for Topaz a few patches ago. A lot of people see her value now, but I also think some people also blow her value out the water (like Smack). In my eyes, I think she's perfectly rated. A great unit, but by no means a game changing one nor needed. The thing about her is that unlike other characters, she has some serious competition in her niche with Moze and March 7th. She's better, but the fact that those two are already good as they are do diminish her value. Before Feixiao, her best team was the IPC FuA one. It was an already overrated team, because she needed at least e1 or s1 if not both, to give Ratio all the debuffs he needed. Jiaoqiu's release makes him replace her spot on the team for a lower cost too at that.
FF is single handedly the reason why boothill is underrated. They litterally said he got powercrept in half a patch. come to find out this man been at the top for a while and people refuse to be wrong
I honestly would have put Himeko at 6 or 5. But I'm glad she's on this list. Because she was the number one character I wanted and not because of HI3, it was because of the fact that when I saw her play Style. I knew that was something that I wanted.
I don't know why, but I think every single Character that has LightCone Event in his/her patch was a strong character/game changer character. Examples : Silver Wolf, HuoHuo, Robin, Rappa.
Proud to have almost every single character on this list except for Argenti and Rappa. They just didn’t make the cut for me since I’m not exactly struggling with PF. Also I am a firefly simp, say what you want about her bro but she’s E2S1 and I will be brute forcing content with her for patches and patches to come lmao
I have Boothill Argenti and Jiaoqiu. I think Argenti is so underrated tbh, imo top 3. Sure he’s fallen off a bit now bc hypercarries are less favored but I’m confused why people think he was always bad or why he even got hate…? Did I miss something? He carried my account tbh. He’s so easy to build, gives himself a whopping 25% crit rate, easy to use, works with any support at all, not especially sp hungry. I’m so glad I got him e0s1. Love Boothill so much, I’m gonna get his LC on his rerun. And Jiaoqiu, tbh I don’t have a good team for him but I’m glad I have him anyways. Hearing the firefly overrated comment made me 🤭
hoyo is so wrong for releasing jiaoqiu's banner a whole patch before we even got to know anything about him in the main quest. I honestly don't think nearly as many people would've skipped him if he was released after the whole sight loss story
Ill say it, General Jing is underrated and he will be age like fine wine till the end of the game. General, Fu, Jade and Sparkle cleared A S. Round 2 3200 points.
1. Jiaoqiu 2. Rappa 3. Boothill 4. Jade 5. Huo Huo 6. Lingsha 7. Black Swan 8. Argenti 9. Clara 10. Himeko Jiaoqiu is so underrated that even Jiaoqiu mains clowned on me for saying that he's not bad unit
I lost my 50/50 on boothill and im still punching air to this day even after winning every subsequent 50/50 after that. Im gonna be real pissed if i dont get him on his re-run
As a Jiaoqiu main, istg if I don't see Jiaoqiu at 1st/2nd on this chart.... he'd better be top on this one with all the doompostings he got 9:20 YES!!! Will never give up on Huohuo even after how she dodged my accs 2 times on both of her banners. Third time's the charm so pleaseee come to me on your next banner 13:08 gonna guess this, doomposted the most = Jiaoqiu 13:20 YES RAPPA 17:42 - 18:42 I KNEW IT, MY BOY JIAOQIU AT 1ST! Eat poops y'all Jiaoqiu non believers!!! Thank you for the whole one minute prelude speech before announcing his name
I can confirm I sleep on Himeko, sometimes she sleeps on me tho
You wish, and so do I
Get well soon
same!! but she sleeps WITH me instead 🫶🫶
Get help for that delusion of yours.
@@jamess359 don't be jealous bro, we can share
Damn the Minecraft Steve cosplay looks better than Jack Black's costume for the role
Smack dressing up early for Halloween lmao
I hope jiaoqiu sees this list!
Naaah that's dirty 😂
But seriously, he didn't see that coming
Ouch Jiauqiu went from cooker to cooked with that sick burn.
Gonna need a senzu after that one..
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You sleep on himeko, I sleep with himeko. We are not the same
You sleep beside Himeko, he sleeps on top of Himeko. You really are not the same
they sleep near Himeko, I sleep in Himeko. We are not the same
I sleep below himeko, we are obviously not the same.
Only man sleeping with Himeko is Welt so idk what y’all are on about
Wake up kid. You're gonna be late for school.
JQ at number 1? I agree with this. People still say he is 100% only for Acheron. My man does SO MUCH more for all teams than just being Acheron's main squeeze.
Box2 saw Argenti and clicked immediately
Chad Jiaoqui - "I'm just a healer..." 😂
Yunli was 100% slept on, most people skipped on her because they thought she was just Clara powercreep
Exactly. You can't call her overrated because people legitimately thought she was going to be mid. It took us getting our hands on her and using her for a few patches to realize that she's just as insane as Firefly and Acheron.
@@JosepiThe13th She is NOT as insane as Acheron buddy. Don't cope lol
Notice how on this list the community treated every single one of these characters as trash and garbage and they only work for one team. So I'm not pulling for them. The community has a problem with taking characters and saying they're trash just so they don't feel bad for skipping them
I definitely agree with most of these. I thought I was about to have buyer’s remorse when I pulled Boothill and Foxguy. Very happy I pulled the trigger. Boothill’s nukes are legendary, and Boyfox is insane with Acheron.
Finally my man Argenti getting some appreciation 😢 Whenever there's physical weakness he is the first character I want to try
I think both misha and xueyi are underrated, maybe honorable mentions only, they are not insane, but I really think they are among the most usable 4 star characters. Also, Serval for PF, no investment, if the rotation has heavy lightning weakness she is just broken.
ERR Rope + 4pc wind set Serval in pure fiction is actually so stupid and people don't realize
Being a Texan I had to get Boothill and I'm happy did. As with his Light Cone too. He and Fei are my top two damage dealers on my account. So, seeing him at the top makes me happy. That guy Fudging rocks. End of Forking story.
JQ or I call him Kurama in honor the character from YuYu Hakusho. I got him around the end of his banner and the guys simply good. Acheron and him just clear boards and I love it.
Kind of surprised they made him use a 9mm revolver tbh. Brother has the cybernetics to quickfire a .357
Apple Jack pfp checks out
I respect the YYH reference but how can you call Jiaoqiu kurama when Argenti covered in roses with bright red hair is right there! I got Argenti bc he reminded me of kurama lol
I think Boothill should be number 1 slept on character instead of Jiaoqiu since lots of people do realize Jiaoqiu potential especially in Acheron comp. But Boothill was even more overshadowed by FF's banner. People be simping for the girlfriend and chose to doompost the gigachad Boothill
weaklings.
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Agree. I have both and Jiaoqiu being my favorite. Boothill was way more slept on due to the placement of his banner. He is amazing.
Except nobody was doomposting Boothill. They just didn't care because he was stuffed in between two waifus.
@@JosepiThe13th except people did doompost BH. i still remember lots of people calling him shit just because he cant freely implant weakness like FF. Some of them even claimed that the moment there is no mobs that are weak to Physical, BH will just become irrelevant. But in fact, he still performs well even against that. Also some other people still believe that being a Hunt character is straight up dead on deliver and Destruction is the best. They just cant be more wrong
I'm so glad i skipped Firefly and got Boothill instead. That guy is just supercool
Yunli belongs nowhere near an overrated list.
Completely insane take by smack. Yunli was one of the least pulled characters in the whole game but she shreds through all types of content and has been doing so since she came out. Thats the definition of underrated. He mentions Jade as the only character who is better than Herta in PF and thats false, Yunli is also guaranteed 40K especially if you use ER rope. She is also super good at stuff like Aventurine and Hoolay and if you have her at E1S1 like I do, its a huge power spike again.
@@soranamae Smack has been pulling out some wildly awful takes lately in seems. "Firefly overrated." "Rappa > Firefly." "Yunli overrated." Idk what he's getting into, but I don't think he's going to "be right in the future" this time around 💀
@@JosepiThe13th Yeah Firefly being overrated is obviously bait. She completely changed my account. In 2.2 MoC I was already starting to struggle to 3 star floor 12 with my old 1.x DPS, would clear with like 1-2 cycles left or so. After getting Firefly and Yunli Ive gone back to 0-2 cycling everything.
@@soranamae Because since 2.3 all MoC bosses are catered to her. How many times they ran the choir.. Imo bait or not he is right about Firefly and I do believe Rappa is a better investment. Literally without her Lingsha dps,Himeko even JQ can beat the same bosses maybe 1 cycle late. Her supports make her good meaning she is very susceptible to powercreep.
@Sable813 this list is for UNDERRATED characters you morons 🤣
The whole community made me believe that Boothill was an average dps when he got first released because there was barely any talk about him, but when I used him in MoC he outdid my DHIL(who was considered to be one of the strongest dps back then) even without Ruan Mei, and that against imaginary weak enemies. I am surprised it took people so long to realise how busted he can be in MoC and AS
And to think he does that even if you put shit like healing bonus or effect hit rate body or lightning damage orb on him. Blud doesnt care about main stats on two of the hardest relic pieces to get lol
I have Acheron too and she never performed as well as my Boothill either
Sameeee he is by far the heaviest hitter on my account and he outdoes my Acheron too. He’s slept on too much 😭😭
I love playing him, I think he is one of the best f2p friendly chars. (Not for farming ofc)
He's not a bad character. The problem is limited resources. If you can only guarantee one character most people would rather have Firefly than Boothill so they skipped. Same thing is happening to Rappa now. If she's basically another Firefly there's no reason to pull her if you already have Firefly and/or Boothill when we have Acheron/Aven this patch and Sunday/Fugue coming next patch. If you can only pick one most aren't picking Rappa
@@Omegeddon i am not saying anything about that. I know why he isnt popular. His banner got shafted between the favourite waifu and a busted harmony character. He didnt get any promotion before his banner, nobody knew who he was. That being said, when he came out there wasnt a single talk about him even though how ridiculous his damage was compared to all the other characters back then?Also prydwen placed him on the same tier as Jingliu, DHIL, Dot and below Acheron who didnt even get Jiaoqiu yet in an E0S0 tier list (💀).
He was the best ST damage before Feixiao. But Acheron is AoE, which is why she's better. He does more against one target, but she can kill more targets in one turn.
Jiaoqiu is only slept on because he's a dude. Same with Boothill. If they were waifus you know people would be on them.
Exactly. Frankly I kinda wish they gave Jiaoqius kit to a female character so Acheron havers can have their waifu team and I would’ve wanted lingshas kit for jiaoqiu. Oh well 😞
@@ctran1955 I'm glad Lingsha's kit is on her instead of him so that Super Break is the all waifu team :3
oh absolutely
@@ctran1955 haha I feel you man, I use my E1 Silverwolf now but it's not optimal.
@@xhydrox ah for Acheron? Nice! I don’t have her or want her but I wanted Jiaoqiu despite not having a team to use him on. Jiaoqiu deserved to be a healer
Back in the good ol days when very people defended huohuo and people laughed her off, it is what it is
What happened to huohuo because idk
@@shjinriven3408 People hated her because her healing isn't excessive like that of loucha and lingha ☠️ and the game isn't difficult and doesn't require much survival
@@shjinriven3408 People being stupid thinking she wasn't as good as Luocha. Even though her healing is just as good as his and she gives the energy and Atk buffs. They just wanted an excuse to skip for Ruan Mei, I guess :P
Jiaoqiu my glorious king, what more can I say about you. He’s legitimately like a nihility Ruan Mei, he works on EVERY team to great effect as a result of Vulnerability being a universally applicable debuff, no energy hassle whatsoever which leads to him having permanent uptime while maintaining sp positivity, and they say he’s only good for Acheron? NONSENSE! What if I looked you all in your eyes and said he was on Yunli’s best in slot team as well? Get Tingyun off the pitch, the real heavy hitters should be using Yunli/JQ/Robin/HH, that’s where the real damage is! Plus he’s probably the freest insert on any sort of sustainless comps but no one knows because they continue to sleep on him still, the tragedy!
I LOVE JIAOQIU
1. Jiaoqiu
2. Boothill
3. Rappa
4. Jade
5. Huohuo
6. Lingsha
7. Black Swan
8. Argenti
9. Himeko
10. Clara
Honorable mentions: Hanya and Guinaifen
Guin is constantly slept on by Grandpa Smack. He mentions her ability to function on an Acheron team but doesn't give love to her ability as a super break unit. Personally, I believe she deserves more than honorable mention, but she is a 4 star after all
She does nothing special with 'super break' build though.
Her skill has 20 break value (and 10 to adjacent units), which is absolutely standard and so does her ultimate. You might as well run super break Jingliu and the damage would be more or less the same, bar for the little bit of additional damage Gui's Firekiss provides. The only reason why do you *think* she is good is that she has the same element as Gallagher/Lingsha, so breaking is easier.
@nia_cherie I love when someone else tells me why I believe something to be true 😂 Guin has break effect built into her kit and you can run the Herta shop LC Solitary Healing for more, meaning she can easily get up to 200 break effect before the fight begins and makes running Iron Cavalry a really strong option. When I deal 300K damage off a skill when breaking two Elites I don't consider that "nothing special". Fire is the second best element for breaking behind physical and to say "the only reason you think that is because Gallagher or Lingsha also help break" that same exact logic would apply directly to Firefly lol she can be run in DoT teams, she can be run as a debuffer for Ratio or Acheron, and she can be run in super break and she's a damn 4 star character. Not sure what else you want out a of unit honestly 🫶
@@nia_cherie The Firekiss debuff goes a long way in boosting her damage. Also, saying "Jingliu would do just as well" is wrong for many other reasons. Fire Break is stronger than Ice Break, for one. For two, Guinaifen Ult is AoE not Blast. And thirdly, Guinevere has Break Effect traces, so she's already starting at a higher base than most others. She's literally the 5th best Superbreak unit in the entire game only losing out to the 5 star Break DPSs.
I got lucky, for once, and was able to get Jiaoqiu and his LC in a handfull of pulls. He’s ridiculously good.
Thank you so much.
Agenti really need some love as well as clara.
for real Argenti is the goat as a main dps
I thought the main reason Jiaoqiu was shit on was bc of him being a "healer", but not actually healing. He was kinda teased everywhere as the Nihility Debuff/Sustain for an Acheron team, but after the healing got removed, i think a lot of people (me included honestly) were just pissed off about him "only" being an upgraded Pela
That's def a reason, but you should've seen the outrage online when he got nerfed in testing. People kept saying he was unplayable, worst character, etc. Truly ridiculous
@@GodofGoblins I didn't really keep up with the leaks around the time after they said the healing was removed and Yunli was one of the characters i was least interested in, so i didn't see anything of that outrage. But if it's worse than what Rappa has/had going on, then i can imagine what an absolute shithole that must have been
His healing wasn't removed as you can't remove something that wasn't there in the first place. It never made it into his beta kit and only existed in one of the many concept character kits which some leakers got wrong.
@@Shush7717 Yeah sorry, i meant before the beta, the healing seemed to be a thing from leakers and when it was official he didn't have it, i had no interest in the 2.4 banners at all
@@blackdust7353 yeah that's fair
Jiaochiu is cooking , he cook all , who let this man cook 💀. Like he so good , you can play him on other team not only arche team, you can play him on yunli team and even fexiao , yup fexiao work well with him if you don't have robin , she still doing fine
For current MoC PF Apocalyptic Shadow, Himeko is on my every team and I 3* cleared it with ease. What I love about her she can play in different gamestyle; Super Break and Crit damage teams. If you don't have any fire elemental coverage, she's a blessing when you lose to 50/50.
Argenti truthers rise gachasmack finally recognized us
I envy those who didn't follow leaks during Jiaoqiu's beta. It was an absolute disaster. So many braindead takes and doomposting galore, even more than what other characters received. The irony that it was the worst on his own mains subreddit. When you go to Acheron mains subreddit as well, you would see so many people coping that Jiaoqiu isn't a good enough upgrade for their waifu, that the idea of a man next to her was the most disgusting thing that could happen. Not saying all Acheron mains are pathetic incels, but during his beta, you would see so many of these kinds of comments on the subreddit.
What made it even worse was that around this time as well, Fugue was leaked as a fire nihility, so then people started spreading the idea that Fugue would powercreep Jiaoqiu because he is a male character and because Fugue is a waifu, she'll be the better character. Like there's no denying that the female characters get more favoritism, but not to this extent. The entire time, I couldn't wait for Jiaoqiu to finally release, so people can finally see that he is a FINE character. More than just fine, bro is broken af.
You are just as pathetic. Calling people names. Pot calling the kettle black
@@NeverClimbing you say all that, but you call him pathetic. What does that make you?
I still think they fumbled the bag with his healing identity that was actually pain and I still think the power of the half ass DoT parts of his kit should’ve just been reallocated to other things but he is still a superb unit and the doomposting made it sound like he was gonna be T4 on arrival… still upset I lost the 50/50 on him
I dont even think it's because he's a male character for acheron mains lmao, Aventurine and Gallagher are some of their top recommendations for alot of comps anyways. People just doompost every character tho Jiaoqiu did have it bad on another level, like the rappa doompost seems mild compared to the shitshow he went through
Most people were mad that they removed Jiaoqiu's healing and nerfed his damage Jiaoqiu is not bad but his original version during the testing phase was incredible. Before his nerfs he was easily top 5 in the game. He went from a top 5, to you can skip him and be fine.
Nah boothill is trash he only hit for 1.3m on hoolay 🚮
Boothill can do Boothillion damage wtf are you yapping about?
@@p01nt_blank67look at their pfp…
@@thederp9309I’m pretty sure they meant that as a joke too
@@p01nt_blank67 Sarcasm
So true, should hv gone 2 million 😔
I was around during the leaks for Jiaoqiu and people clearly saw everything through doom tinted lenses… he was literally fine, every single character has been fine after the beta. But people were so caught up with Jiaoqiu because he was getting nerfed instead of looking at his value as a whole. He’s good even with the nerfs, people were so over dramatic about Jiaoqiu showing they have absolutely no ability to understand a character’s value…
I’m honestly so glad that the community aren’t the ones balancing the game because they show little to no understanding about the game… they complain about power creep but would unironically be the ones to cause it with the mentality that every character needs to be broken.
I mean... I like Jiaoqiu so much I got him despite not having Acheron, and I'm pulling mostly for meta. But I have every harmony unit and I rarely use JQ because he's never the best pick for any of my teams. He's always good but never the best. I think that's why people doomposted him, they wanted him to have a wider niche where he's the most optimal choice, and he only has Acheron for that.
That aside, visually his design is one of the laziest in the entire game. They took a premium NPC model, slapped some fluffy pink ears and tail on it and called it a day. He's one of my favorite characters but dang, his outfit is too basic.
@@Ali_Fuchs Not only Acheron tbf. He's also BiS for Ratio. And at E2 he's BiS in the DoT team. He is still fairly tied to Acheron for the most part, though. But if we ever get any future debuff dependent DPSs, he will see more use.
So you're telling me that my instincts are incredible. I use so many of these slept-on characters because they look cool. I rolled on Bootthill and got two copies in a 10 spot. I was shamed by a coworker for not building my Firefly because I wasn't interested.
you are a legend. keep going and don't listend to the firefly coomers
And that's why people should just pull for whoever they want. You do you❤
I mean, if you have a Firefly, you should absolutely build her. You spent Jades on her. May as well get your money's worth.
Still, Boothill is a great unit. Very solid DPS. Absolutely slaps the Hoolay boss around.
@@JosepiThe13th Absolutely. I actually got her for like 30 after pulling the Boothills so she was an unexpected accident.
to be fair i think the only reason jade and rappa are slept on is not because theyre bad but because theyre pure fiction units and theyre all sidestepped by normal MOC-designed characters. and for some reason all the pure fiction characters lore wise are all side characters that arent really important. tingyun and sunday just have way more appeal.
I skipped Acheron for Boothill after I saw his leaks and that was the hardest skip I have ever done but now I'm happy with his performance in game.😅
glad Argenti is on the list, so many people skipped because of his "mid" kit. I pulled for him because I love his personality and design and then I found after proper investment Argenti is able to compete well with other high end DPS plus its all for his beloved Idrilla
" I'm just a healer "
"Ze healing iz not az rewarding az ze hurting!"
In my opinion, Yunli is not overrated, but I agree that she isn't underrated. She's just well rated
What do you mean rated well, our boy gacha here has been dissing her since she came out
@@deadweight7334 I said "in my opinion", also didn't know that, just recently watched his content
@deadweight7334 it's only him though, everyone else seems to recognize she is really good, just got an unfortunate timing for her banner, a patch before Feixiao
@@LucasGomes-ng2go in the leaks sub she was getting literally as much hate as fire fox dude, calling her Clara pro max, and saying that it's the patch of the skip, the only reason fox dude seemed to get more hate is because he got nerfed into oblivion
19:55 i agree, i use him on my sustainless FF team allday everyday. He make acheron team T0 as well in purefiction. Hes value will just gonna go up when for dps with ult which is almost 95% of dps
I skipped all break units so I had the gems to go for Jade E1 and I must say...one of the best E1 to make a unit more viable. I use her, Topaz and Feixiao and E1 Fu Xuan and this Team cooks. Jade gets 10 times more usecases after her E1.
Preservation March is the most underrated character in the game by far.
Her kit is simply a meta that hasn't set sailed yet same with gepard and misha i'm patiently waiting for the ice meta
@@max_mojo4917 she doesn’t need an ice meta to sustain, and she’s has a good synergie with Feixiao, arguably the best unlimited sustain in most fights for her.
@@Rastaboulotteyes, another one who used Preservation March as a Feixiao sustain! Especially if you put shields on everyone, she can provide up to 3 stacks for Feixiao per turn.
@@mugipyon723 she more or less just need to shield Herself or Robin, Robin will bait CC which she is immune to and will generate more energy with march shield extra aggro
watched this live, great vid as always Boom boom
Could not agree more with Jade her e1 is beyond broken, and if you are 1 of the 10 people that have it congrats you have unlocked some of the most fun teams I have ever played.
Jade e1 + Feixiou feels real good every turn Fei gets Jade will follow-up up, Fei gets 3 attacks per skill and each attack is 3 stacks. It makes Fei tier 0 in Pure Fiction. Normally killing the boss at the end can be rough but Fei slaps that bad boi to the shadow realm and Jade murks anybody else left standing. XD
Of course the combo works with anybody that attacks 3x real Quick. I have tried her with Jingliu, Clara and even Galaghar XD
The sky is the limit with e1 Jade
damn I might get e1 next time. I got her cuz I like her design
It seems I love underrated chars XD, the dps' on my MAIN account are Boothill, Yunli, Argenti and Yuan. I didn't want Yunli but I got her and her lc so randomly and early and I'm scared how good she is. I thought she is just a Clara 2.0 but absolutely not, she is forking amazing. One of my fav teams is the counter fua one with Blade and Yunli.
I've made another account cuz I really wanted Acheron but the characters on my main acc don't fit her. I pulled Jiaoqiu and his lc only for her and I can say this was also a good decision that I will never regret.
I would like to add that Hoolay has 240 toughness. 240. That's like 4 of the choir elites (not the boss but the elites) combined. My brother in christ that is diabolical. Rappa is kind of cringe in personality but she's also cute as hell and she's pulling her own weight easily. She's more flexible than Firefly IMO. Yes, her teammates will need to help with her gaining stacks too. It's literally no different than Xueyi and she doesn't even have weakness ignore on her skill, just her ult that takes out half a Cocolia toughness bar 😆
On that note: Bootchad finally getting acknowledged makes me happy.
I got my Jiaoqiu I like everything about him. So glad I have him. Would have picked up Acheron just for him. But I already have her. Got E2S1, Might E6 him when he reruns.
He does amazing for Boothill alongside RuanMei. They’re vulnerability stacks.
Also will get Jade her LC when she reruns.
People dont sleept on jiaoqiu, they think why use jiaoqiu when you can use ruanmei, sparkle, robin, even bronya or tingyun
I'm one of the 5 people who c6s1 jiaoqiu (couldn't afford s5, he's also my first c6) and wow, he literally makes every unit in the game feel like pushing c6. I don't even need sustainers, cuz he deletes small mobs, and then buffs THE ENTIRE TEAM. his c6 is way too valuable, he gets 3 stars in every game mode fairly comfortably. my feixiao gets extra 200k in from him existing.
ong I finish the swarm king weekly boss from him just existing
My man ur a bit too harsh on yunli.
At some point, Moc will have opponents like the three Trotters, where you can't break their shield, combined with that one woman who infects you with DOT and whose attack isn’t valid for a counter. But right now, both Break effects and counters are meta. My point is, currently, the formats (PF, Apocalyptic Shadows, and Moc) are aligned perfectly for break effect and counters, so it’s unfair to say that as soon as the format is no longer explicitly tailored for counters, that this category brings no value when it impacts almost every other category equally when it happens like as an example when u cant break shields anymore than all break effect char. Would fall off immediately. So I rlly dont get it saying yunli is overrated when she literally does her job well. Take blade as an example bro is literally perfect for hoolay and still doesn’t do shi, still love him tho.
Love when people say Yunli was good because of "format" when Acheron was the same. Format stopped and look where Acheron is.
acheron didn't really kept up because of the format, she was there on the first place because she was good regardless of enemies, until feixao challenged her, feixiao proved to be the victor, that's why acheron was brought down, she pretty much kept her own tier on the past patches with just her bruteforce, not because of format, she lose the battle of supremacy, that's just it
@@amirgarcia4162 so she lost because format favored feixiao.... so it is because of format
Fei xiao also just happens to already have a team tailor made for her while acheron only has one bis 5 star support
@@expeditor5895 if you're talking about team comp format, then yes it is because of format, but in terms of end game formats, nah, feixiao won because of her versatility, acheron isn't versatile enough to still be strong even if you put her on other teammates, if you remove topaz and robin (feixao's main teammates) she still is the best, but if you remove pela and jiaoqiu (acheron's best teammates), she will be nowhere near feixao
talking about E0S0 btw
@@gojosatoru1002 true, that's why she lose the battle of supremacy, her kit revolves on stacks, and sadly, only one character and a preservation unit with trend LC can give more than 2 stacks, if you remove her BiS support, her ults takes long to be up, that's such a massive lost on her part
You should have pointed out that Boothill doesn't need the super break supports to do well. I pulled on both him AND Firefly and found he can be run just fine as a regular hyper carry team dps with Bronya or Sparkle. while Firefly is tied to the hip to the super break team with close to no alternative. Used both of them to clear both sides of Apocalyptic shadow. even swapped them and they both scored similarly on both sides.
I don't understand the Yunli one though. you can't say people skipped her and say she's overrated in the same breathe. if she was overrated like firefly she would have gotten more people to pull for her. I don't know what you're smoking but she doesn't do anything against Hoolay in MoC since he doesn't have physical weakness so while yes she counters a lot other character can clear it faster than her.
as for Jade. just blame 1.x Star rail story writers for that. they made the IPC so unlikable especially the 10 stone hearts that the Hi3rd writers had to do a lot of heavy lifting to change it. i.e. every event or time Topaz comes on screen they have to emphasize SHE isn't a bad person at all. as opposed to how she was when she was first introduced where it seemed she feigned being understanding to catch Bronya and Belobog off guard and pressure them into basically turning them into IPC slaves. the main issue is both Topaz and Aventurine were victim of circumstance. while Jade wasn't so she got a lot more hate than those 2.
As a player who skipped Firefly to pull Rappa and Jade, this tier list does put a smile on my face
fellow firefly skippers who pulled jade (and rappa but that was a lucky "accident") 🤝
I skipped Firefly for Jade as well lol
About the Rappa exo-break thing, people forget the fact Fugue will this on her kit, so every mode in every patch will have the exo-break if you have TG t5
I have E6 Himeko. Everytime I lose a 50/50 it's her. I use her alot now. 🔥
I'm jealous . I have E5 Clara . Just give me R6 already .
I wanted E6 Bronya but after I got E1, Himeko just kept coming 😆🤣. You'll get her soon
Ppl don't know you can use himeko as a sub firefly yet??? Bruh
Firefly at home😂
i guess most people is clueless
just like how FF enable each other with lingsha, so does himeko in FF superbreak team
i dont have ruan mei, so i just slot in himeko there and it does wonder my 3 months old account clearing all endgame, and when lingsha coming it just cheff kiss
If Misha isnt on this list its objectively wrong
@@Disappointed_Rover Yes, not worth the investment yeah?
Misha and Qingque should both be up there. Both are characters that are underrated because no one plays them, Qingque has been either as good or better than Jingliu after Sparkle's release.
@@sct77agreed with Misha, but not really with Qingque because everyone knows she deal Qingquillion damage since 1.X. It's just very gamble-y so not many people build her even though they don't underestimate her.
@@mugipyon723 The rng thing is not really a problem, even Prydwen's calculations shows she performs extremely well even with average rng. The only problem is not critting.
the only change I'd make to this list if I'd seen it without context, is literally the one you said you deliberated on for a while. that being Rappa vs Boothill. they both deserve top 3, but with all the doomposting of Rappa, I think she easily edges over Boothill. The only reason people skipped Boothill is because he was sandwiched between acheron, aventurine, and robin. people are skipping Rappa for similar reasons but are ALSO claiming that she sucks. I may be misremembering but I don't recall many people saying Boothill was going to be bad, just that he wasn't worth it compared to those around him. all that yap just to say, pretty much agree 95%. good video as always dawg!
I skipped Firefly for Jade. Finally some respect on her name.
It'd be cool to see a vlog on your gaming room setup. That is the real s-tier in this vid
Let me guess . Firefly will be on overrated tierlist . But hey Im not Firefly hater .
Number 1 frfr
ngl he'll do it to ragebait firefly brats but I lowkey might agree with the placement
only because superbreak core (hmc + ruan mei + gallager/lingsha) is so busted that you can make almost anyone work with it and it'll still clear comfortably.
While smack tends to troll I won't disagree that firefly is overated you can put any other dps in her core team and still achieve close to similar results het kit is undertuned and the boss stage made to make her look good can be cleared faster by another unit
the only value ff has in “her team” is applying fire vulnerability on the bar, that’s it, she’s absolutely replaceable, and she will be even more replaceable when Fugue comes out and real dpses in the team will be hmc and Lingsha XD
I personally think we can't gauge yet if Rappa is slept on or not because she's barely been out for 3 days and there's yet to come a new PF cycle where she would be actually used. Most ppl probably cleared the current cycle by now so Rappa still has to wait for her moment to shine
17:53 Not because he's a male but because he looks like an npc, the community likes males too when they are done right.
e.g. aventurine, gallagher, dhil, ratio, etc
If they use this logic then Gallagher also looks like NPC .
@@Disappointed_RoverNah bro got aura. He got scars, facial hair, and looks way more buff than the skinny male characters that came out before
Did you see different between him and npc? I guess you dont, cause his outfit and hair are more details than npc. Having fully cultural clothes and being simple character doesnt make that character is NPC tho
@@oberonvortigern4138 yeah that what I like about Galla . Very rare Mihoyo type of characters .
Or maybe bcs he is just not flexible enough meta wise. A lot of ppl wont go out of their way for a dedicated support when the free 4 star does almost the same thing. Jades dont grow on trees. If he straight up powercreep Pela, it would be a different story. All the guy characters you mentioned are meta units, at least DHIL was during 1.x
Meta sells more than husbando/waifu mentality of ppl. RM was called boring and uninteresting yet her banner sells like hotcakes. I wonder why
Pulling jq on rerun
keep these tier lists coming brotha, they're all very entertaining
I literally got Himeko on the day Rappa released and I have like every single alternative (apart from Argenti) to her built. I wish I got her earlier so I can focus more on building her, as right now she probably will only pop off on my acc if there are niche uses that enable her follow up to really get going, e.g. this MoC/PF.
That being said, when a future exo-toughness character eventually releases (wink wink), I can see Himeko (as well as Rappa and Xueyi) popping off really nicely even for me, and I'm really looking forward to that
problem is, most of us dont have the funds to pull on every banner we want/wanted
That’s why you plan your pulls and make a priority list
@kaikaikai4477 Yeah, that's why "we" have to skip "slept on" chars because "we" safe for other chars...
For example, I skipped boothill cause I wanted firefly, skipped jade cause I wanted jiaoqiu
I’m going to be 100% here and admit that I was one of the many who was going to pass on scooby doo if it wasn’t for gatcha smack making his video about how good she is! At this point I have used her on most of my teams. Thank you gatcha smack for allowing me to see her value early on!
Thank you, Jade. Been running with Jade with Feixiao and those 2 pop off hard together
Super Break Arlan (real)
Edit: Ain't no way Boothill was underrated. Man obliterates toughness bar, hits like a damn truck, AND implants weakness on release. Man is literally the silver bullet against the most obnoxious boss in the game, Aventurine. Pre-release sure, but unless someone follows leaks, I never really saw people downplaying his performance in isolation. (Of course relative discussions are gonna bring the heat as always but if that's relevant, then everyone should be underrated.)
Edit2: That Yunli argument quite literally applies to Clara as well, since they're practically the same, except Yunli's better. So why is one getting her props and the other isn't, when they both fill the same role (Physical Destruction) and do the same thing (Counter Attacking DPS), and even crazier is, the latter is the supposed "better" of the two?
Edit3: Where Topaz? She was actually not taken seriously by majority of the people, until the devs pushed FUA so hard that it necessitated her.
Boothill IS underrated. You're right, he hits like a truck. But you severely underestimate how people downplayed this man. ESPECIALLY during Firefly's beta. People were saying that Firefly powercrept Boothill already. He's strong, but underappreciated by most of the fanbase, which is why he's underrated.
I agree with what you said about Yunli though. She's a better Clara, who is on this list. Smack's take on it was a bit questionable. I don't think she's insanely slept on, but she deserves her flowers as well.
You could make an argument for Topaz a few patches ago. A lot of people see her value now, but I also think some people also blow her value out the water (like Smack). In my eyes, I think she's perfectly rated. A great unit, but by no means a game changing one nor needed. The thing about her is that unlike other characters, she has some serious competition in her niche with Moze and March 7th. She's better, but the fact that those two are already good as they are do diminish her value. Before Feixiao, her best team was the IPC FuA one. It was an already overrated team, because she needed at least e1 or s1 if not both, to give Ratio all the debuffs he needed. Jiaoqiu's release makes him replace her spot on the team for a lower cost too at that.
FF is single handedly the reason why boothill is underrated. They litterally said he got powercrept in half a patch. come to find out this man been at the top for a while and people refuse to be wrong
I honestly would have put Himeko at 6 or 5. But I'm glad she's on this list. Because she was the number one character I wanted and not because of HI3, it was because of the fact that when I saw her play Style. I knew that was something that I wanted.
I swear Silver Wolf does wonders..
I don't know why, but I think every single Character that has LightCone Event in his/her patch was a strong character/game changer character. Examples : Silver Wolf, HuoHuo, Robin, Rappa.
Clara carried my ass through all of Belabog. Until I stopped being F2P, Clara was incredible.
Just put the whole erudition units in this tierlist 😂😂
Proud to have almost every single character on this list except for Argenti and Rappa. They just didn’t make the cut for me since I’m not exactly struggling with PF. Also I am a firefly simp, say what you want about her bro but she’s E2S1 and I will be brute forcing content with her for patches and patches to come lmao
I have Boothill Argenti and Jiaoqiu. I think Argenti is so underrated tbh, imo top 3. Sure he’s fallen off a bit now bc hypercarries are less favored but I’m confused why people think he was always bad or why he even got hate…? Did I miss something? He carried my account tbh. He’s so easy to build, gives himself a whopping 25% crit rate, easy to use, works with any support at all, not especially sp hungry. I’m so glad I got him e0s1.
Love Boothill so much, I’m gonna get his LC on his rerun. And Jiaoqiu, tbh I don’t have a good team for him but I’m glad I have him anyways.
Hearing the firefly overrated comment made me 🤭
Yunli, Jade, new March, Huo huo/Robin/Herta are all crazy fun auto play for the win teams.
hoyo is so wrong for releasing jiaoqiu's banner a whole patch before we even got to know anything about him in the main quest. I honestly don't think nearly as many people would've skipped him if he was released after the whole sight loss story
Rappa is definitely getting hate. I have both of them, and I can say, Rappa is just slapping every piece of content with ease. I like her.
Putting argenti in grayscale for the thumbnail got me good XD
Ill say it,
General Jing is underrated and he will be age like fine wine till the end of the game.
General, Fu, Jade and Sparkle cleared A S. Round 2 3200 points.
papa smack putting in the work he posting 3 videos a day the grind never stops
I dont think jq is underrated people just skipped him bcs he is good only for acheron and sidegrade to any other team so skip
Had to skip jade because i needed a good carry but when she reruns im getting that e1s1 asap im so ready
So many of my faves were here. Himeko, boothill, jade, argenti.
Jiaoqiu is amazing holy crap his dots hit so damn hard I cleared anything with him he my foxian male I am so happy have this hottie on my team ❤
9:47 I love HouHou, I pulled on her on day one. I still prefer using her over Lingshua. I basically main her.
Are we witnessing Smack in his final form these past few days?
Me a Jade lover, celebrating the fact that Gacha also agrees that she was slept on because of the other banners. So glad I have the PF Queen
1. Jiaoqiu
2. Rappa
3. Boothill
4. Jade
5. Huo Huo
6. Lingsha
7. Black Swan
8. Argenti
9. Clara
10. Himeko
Jiaoqiu is so underrated that even Jiaoqiu mains clowned on me for saying that he's not bad unit
ur last few videos are so fucking good man keep it up brother
I lost my 50/50 on boothill and im still punching air to this day even after winning every subsequent 50/50 after that.
Im gonna be real pissed if i dont get him on his re-run
This is such a good top 10 underrated chara list
Welt is way too underrated that he was forgotten in the underrated list xD
Im here 0-2 cycling MoC with my E1S1 Jade, deffo one of my best pulls so far.
As a Jiaoqiu main, istg if I don't see Jiaoqiu at 1st/2nd on this chart.... he'd better be top on this one with all the doompostings he got
9:20 YES!!! Will never give up on Huohuo even after how she dodged my accs 2 times on both of her banners. Third time's the charm so pleaseee come to me on your next banner
13:08 gonna guess this, doomposted the most = Jiaoqiu
13:20 YES RAPPA
17:42 - 18:42 I KNEW IT, MY BOY JIAOQIU AT 1ST! Eat poops y'all Jiaoqiu non believers!!! Thank you for the whole one minute prelude speech before announcing his name
the doomposting for JQ was crazy fr, im still mad i lsot him to bronya on his release though hoping he reruns at a good time
Would love to pull for Rappa. Her story is good and made me like the character. But. Adventurine is next patch and I NEED a preservation character.
Im still sleeping on Jiaoqiu because he looks lame.
Love these top 10 videos smack keep going 💪
I;m feeling like, we’re going to end up with a Jade/Rappa comp.