Although popular history makes it seem that the Sovietization of Eastern Europe happened immediately after WWII, it can't be far from the truth. Hopefully, our videos will help in changing this perception - each of these countries had events distinctly different from the others.
Great project. Don't forget about the guerilla war in Baltics and West Ukraine which lasted up to 50's, deportations of untrustful people in 1949, as well as the famine in Moldova in 1947. Those are most important manifestations of the sovietization in the territories which the USSR gained as the result of the WWII. Also the sovietization of East Prussia (now Kaliningrad oblast of Russia) was very tragic for the local Germans.
"it can't be far from the truth" - Implying that it's mostly true? Isn't that the opposite of this videos message? are you sure you don't mean farther?
I am afraid your vlog does little to dispel popular history only to further demonize the former Soviet Union in favor Fascist history. The Axis was formed in 1936 when Germany and Japan signed the Anti-Comintern pact to contain communism. The Tripartite Pact(1940) the focus of much of popular history included Italy becoming the Axis Powers. Hungary, Bulgaria,Romania and Thailand would later join. The focus of WW2 was never England but the Soviet Union. Also, after the devastation of the war at the hands of the Fascist, Bulgarians and Romanians elected leftist parties. Along with all of Europe.
The events directly after World War 2 are some of the most important and most ignored topics of the 20th century. These events shaped half of Europe for almost half the century. Thank you for this series
The king of romania did not abdicate because he was surrounded, but he was threatened with killing thousand of students that were imprisoned after protests in favour of the king.
Like a romanian i can say that this is fake. He was a coward children king who receive medals from soviets and take all the money he can before going in exile. He didn't even build a strong comunity outside to fight spread of comunism in Romania
The king never signed the abdication. After all the threats. Arsenie Boca told him that if he stayed in the country, the russians will assassinate him. Signing would mean an act of treason. May God remember and bless the soul of King Mihai!!!🙏
He didn't leave with all that gold. It was all a scam by the party. To give him a bad name. When my grandparents were kicked out of their house they even had clothes and cuttlary pilfered by the militia. How much more 20 wagons laden with gold? Who would let him? A group of former bandits turned politician? C'mon guys. It's been 30 years, stop belevieng all those lyes.
An extremely important part of the history of this time period in Bulgaria that the video doesn’t mention is that the takeover by communists in Bulgaria triggered a red terror that resulted in the brutal slaughter of 10,000+ people who were seen as enemies of the party in one way or another. And many, many more were exiled to labor camps. The impact on society that this purge of some of the most highly skilled and intelligent people in Bulgaria can still be felt to this day. An absolute tragedy.
Romania and Bulgaria were given over to the USSR by the UK in exchange for the Soviets not interfering in the Greek Civil War, as the UK had high interests in Greece's naval bases
+Iordav He had interest in the access to Suez canal. Anyway, he didn't really give them to URSS. Is not like Britain or Churchill really had the power to oppose the Soviets, or dictate the outcome. The only reason why Stalin accepted was probably that he was intending to solve the matter later, trough another war.... there are theories that he actually planned the 3rd war, but died before he could do so.
@@davidgreen5994 he even said war between the capitalist and the communist/state capitalist world was enviable in a speech. So thats probobly where those theories came from.
@@pizdanpula223 we weren't part of the ussr. We were satellite states. Which made it even worse as the soviets just took everything giving nothing in return but misery
Sovietization of Poland Sovietization of Czechoslovakia Sovietization of Hungary Sovietization of Bulgaria Sovietization of Romania Sovietization of YugBITCH YOU THOUGHT
@@polentusmax6100 churchil also said that there should be democratic elections in poland,romania,czechoslovakia,bulgaria etc...But that didnt happend Stalin coudnt do nothing to yugoslavia beacouse red army didnt ocupied yugoslavia
One fact that isn't mentioned is that Yugoslavia invited Bulgaria to join it in a union called the Balkan Federation however this was stopped by the Soviet influence after the breaking of relations between Stalin and Tito. Not exactly the most relevant but its implications meant that Bulgaria would not move away from the Soviets and would project its interests within the Balkans.
It's was two-way negotiated which wasn't finalized. Bulgarian government supported it, Yugoslavian was still thinking about it, but Stalin didn't want Tito taking his positions on Balkans after the Tito-Stalin split so they forced Bulgaria to reverse the course of the negotiations. I think it wasn't so bad for Bulgaria to not join since we may be otherwise involved in the 90s wars. There were ideas Romania and even Greece (an idea supported by some of the Greece commies) to join Balkan Federation as well.
Well it's not like we had a choice since USSR had full control over our politics but even if we had, we would never unite with Yugoslavia since we don't like serbs and serbs would still be in charge of the federation
Yugoslavia did not invite Bulgaria to join the 'Balkan Union'. This idea was suggested by Stalin but Yugoslavia refused to do so. There's a video about it on this channel
My grandparents were both Transylvanian Cooperative farmers. Nobody "received" land, as it used a gridlike system where everyone lived around the edges of a communal plot, however these plots were strictly regulated. Very little of the food ever saw it's was back to the people, especially during the 1970s and 80s. The only food security was the limited wheat on the edges of the field which were considered "surplus" for storage, which would usually be stockpiled and turned to bread later down the line. Transylvania was not a happy place during this time period, as the pre-war conditions really weren't as bad as the communists seemed to make it out. Many people, including the farmers, resisted, as they were POORER after the redistribution than they were beforehand. It was abysmal, as I've seen first hand, and my ancestors who were previously tenant farmers on larger transylvanian farms, were relegated to having less after their former German landowners were killed. They were not the only ones, 10,000 farmers and landowners were killed outright, with many more jailed. I excuse the longwinded comment, but I have no shortage of stories of the hardships and failures of the regime. I will say however, there was a good period in the late Georghiu-dej era.
Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej was as bad as Ceaușescu, even worse actually. The only thing that made him look better than Ceaușescu was the fact that he didn't really starve the people. He killed so many tho
Străbunicul meu aveao grămadă de pământ în Argeș pe care i l-au luat comuniștii,i-au luat până și cositoarea mecanică asta după ce luptase pentru țară în Al Doliea Război Mondial și a rămas toată viața cu traume din război,iar străbunicul meu din Olt a fost ultimul din satul său care și-a dat pământul asta după ce membrii partidului intrau noaptea peste ei în casă și îi băteau inclusiv pe bunica care era un copil de câțiva ani pe atunci
Also I heard that in the early Ceascescu period, PR Romania was among the most liberal "People's Democracies". Is that true from what your family has told you?
@@JakobMoscow Yeah early on he allowed for liberal literature so long as it was more or less critiquing his predecessor, however after his visit to north Korea and the July Theses that's when everything rapidly began to get worse under his rule.
@@philstory2556 Yes! I actually have the book from North Korea “detaılıng” theır vısıts wıth each other. I had wondered ıf that story was apochryphal or not wıth hım beıng ınfatuated wıth what Kım Il-Sung had ın the DPRK. Why dıd he crıtıcıze hıs predeccessor?
Fun Fact: Bulgaria’s last King, who’s reign came to an end in 1946, came back from exile and was elected it’s Prime Minister in 2001 with people chanting “We want our King!” As his campaign slogan
Ceausescu didn't like the precedent, but whereas Dubcek tried to humanise the system, Nicolae didn't, so he was safe. No one under Soviet rule looked to Romania and thought 'if only we were like that'.
@@EdMcF1 The system did get liberalized for a while during the late 60s and early 70s, it became more liberalized ever since around 1966, it only turned bad after around 1973.
It is literally a shame that this channel has so few subscribers. This channel is one of the most informative channels on this site. Hope that this changes soon
I find it surprising too given that their other channel is quite popular. I guess the advantage is there is more room for discussion rather than just an all in brawl.
@@MrCordycep I think it's more to do, with host not being quite as charismatic/confident as The Great War's/WW2 Indie. Just something he should work on, putting some more energy in narating.
Remember, when it comes to History, it's not about the Numbers of people knowing about your Channel, but rather how big and accurate the Picture of History really is
What do Romanians nowadays actually think about the ethnic minorities of Transylvania like the Transylvanian Swabians,the Szekely,the Transyvanian Saxons or "Săsi",the Slovak and other Slavs like the Bulgarians mentioned in this video,the Armenians of Transyvania and especially about other Eastern Romance languages-speakers like the Moldovans and the ones in the link Just to mention some but I guess that there might be more different ethniticities and minorities and are there stereotypes in Romania about those people and ethnic groups?
My great grandad was a rural Romanian during the unfolding of the events between 1944-47. Until the day he died a few years ago, he was a staunch supporter of PNȚ, whom he saw represented the rural folk (of which the majority of the population were). He had to keep his beliefs hushed during the regime until 1989. My great grandmother's family were wealthier sheep hearders who employed others to look after the flock. Their flock and wealth which they built over time was taken away by the communists after 1947, and my great grandma became poor, living in one of the least developed regions of Romania at the time.
Romania had it own form of communism, much more brutal than other eastern European communist countries. Ceausescu was like, oh you want communist, ill give you communism and proceed to take examples from North Korea.
@@Cjnw pe bune tu chiar crezi ca el e grozav. Baiete daca el chiar ar fi fost grozav el nu ar mai fi fost proteste impotriva lui. Poti sa vezi ce a facut cu muncitorii care trebuiau sa construiasca palatul parlamentului. O gramada au murit pentru un palat inutil
Hi David. Respect for this Cold War endeavor, from a Romanian. Having followed through your narrative, there is one aspect I'd like to emphasize - it may seem a detail, though I can assure you it's not -, related to the SovRom type of companies: they weren't 50/50 resource shared, but were one of the official means of the war reparations that the Soviet Union claimed from Romania. Thus, the lion's share was for Moscow, undoubtedly! So, the ratio was way different than what your narrative implies - I consider it safe to be called "pillage", that was done systematically and I'd appreciate your investigation in this direction, if ever. Of course there are other aspects that may shift the story - my support for the benefits of addressing these East Europe (hi)stories prevails, though :)
My mom told me about her stories about sending them to cotton fields during her time in primary school from 1st grade to 7th. I mean can you imagine the levels of collectivism here? All of the population from 7 to 77 were all on the work line.
Can you make a video about the Central American Crisis when major civil wars and communist revolutions erupted in various countries in Central America in the midst of the Cold War?
Also, as we're on the early stages of the Cold War on this channel, many nationalist and democratic movements erupted in central america, but the USA portrayted them as communists. I think the only case were democracy flourished and wasn't overthorwed by USA was Costa Rica.
@@viniz200 only in Nicaragua, where the Sandinistas helped every leftist “national democratic” group. Heck, I am related to major players for both Somocista and Sandinistas. So stop acting smart.
@@giloro85 I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why I said "on the early stages of the Cold War", I was referring more to Guatemala during Arbenz presidency before the coup, as well as other governments in Latin America, Peronismo at Argentina, Vargismo at Brazil. None of these were communists, far from it, Vargas was almost a fascist, Argentina doesn't even need commentaries, they were just nationalist and populist governments at the right and left of political spectrum, with an autonomistic and nonaligned foreign policy, which Washington disliked, considering the region as their backyard.
And Bulgariаns and Russians don't share common ancestry. The Russians are mixture of East Slavs and mostly Finn tribes. The Bulgarians are mixture of South Slavs and Turkic / Iranian tribes. The Russian and the Bulgarian languages are quite different also. There's old Slavic / Bulgarian influence in the Russian cause the Russians used old Bulgarian books when they became Christians
Where is the mixture of Turkish/Iranian tribes in the modern genetics of Bulgarians though? That's like saying Russians are a mixture of local Finnish populations and the Norwegians who founded the state.
Came here to make the same comment. Bulgarians are mainly Turkic who switched languages and went with Slavic. Yes, hundreds of years ago, but there's no ancestry as such, wrong statement.
@@Ferruccio001 where do you guys learn history? Not once were we called Turkic as major ethnic background. Maybe check the latest in historical and genetic research? Turkic was the ruling class of proto-Bulgarians. Are Russian mainly Norwegian?
@@Ferruccio001 Quite a common misconception. To switch languages, the eventually turkic (following your statemen) Bulgars should be either dominated culturally or politically (they were neither) or less numerous. The Bulgarian language is debately the first written Slavic one, therefore the eventual Turkic influence isn't significant. The Bulgarians show no Turkic influence in antropologic nor genetic sense neither. I believe you are intelligent enough to make a research on your own. Edit: Even the Bulgarians in this very video look nothing like Central Asians.
If I could mention some very important points you forgot to mention. - First the Communist members were very small and weak. The partisans did not take the power alone. There was no some big spread revolt of the people. This is a myth. - The government which was ruling up to this moment was a legally elected government, it was not a dictatorship. - This elections was just a theater. - In other to come to power the communist power had to sentenced almost 10 000 people ( intellectuals, politicians, military , etc.) with so called people People's Court ( which has nothing to do with people and was unconstitutional. ) People's Court was just a political instrument to remove the opposition. - The communist regime which was installed was just a Stalin puppet.
Sorry for 2 years later reply - I got really triggerred by what he said in the video. The Partisans total were about 10k maximum and they mostly hid under "communistic views" to ransom people and steal and murder. Without the Red Army entering Bulgaria they'd never show out of the woods.
@@Itsyaboydabiglau No, not really. It was more, that in many cases people claimed Things to be communist, that today are rather normal. I mean, have you heard of the origins of political correctness? Itf you don't look it up, it can scare people how Imperialists can lie through their teeth so easily
No it ranget ad far as the americans and british let him to go, they traded the influence in each country in east europe. The UK selled Romania for Grecce.
My grandfather was in the Royal Guard when the King was forced to abdicate. He was in the Guard (and the army) for only a few months when this happened. Afterwards, the Guards were disbanded, and their members were scattered to different posts around the country in sets of two people.
Yes, Ceausescu was so enthralled by what he saw on his visits to North Korea, he essentially made Juche Romania's state ideology - With the same mad results :( .
I can't speak about the Romanian part of the video, but the Bulgarian segment is plagued with inaccuracies: the communist communist coup d'Etat date, "military dictatorship" before 1944, "big landowners" in the countryside... just to state a few. On the other hand, great footage research, as I hadn't seen many of these images (Petkov trial, the beginning of collectivization, regent's council) even in documentaries done by Bulgarian National Television.
I'm loving theses videos about Eastern Europe, but I wonder if you will do the same when covering the actions of the USA here in Latin America: detailing the events that happened on each country and how they all fell into US backed dictatorships.
Greece in the 1950s and afterwards was pretty much the "51st state of USA"; a collection of right-wing, ultra-conservative para-parliamentary dictatorships or an all-out quasi-fascist military junta, all aimed to keep a traditionally left-wing country in NATO.
@@scuevas1 David covered the Chinese civil war and the creation of Vietnam in a relatively neutral and balanced way. Why wouldn't they be able to do Latin America as well?
I'm really enjoying all this content about the Soviet Union and it's adjacent states at the beginnings of the Cold War, but is there any possibility that you could do some episodes that go in depth to the United States, its society, world position, economy and politics at this same time? I know it's a very well worn topic in comparison and overall this stuff is more educational in the truest sense of the word but it would be good to be given some of that context.
Romania did not switch sides because of the war effort against the axis, the king was deposed in 1940 and a military junta was created, named the Legionary state of Romania (Iron Guard Romania) and led by field-marshall Antonescu which became head of state, then in 1944 Antonescu was deposed and king and Kingdom of Romania was reinstated, which was always pro-allies
Excuse me but I'm curious will u include Africa in your series? I mean Africa was the major battlefield for Cold war Superpowers to fight by proxhy wars, for example South African border war, Rhodesians bush war and my favourite Ogaden war when Somalia was rich and powerful and wanted to create Greater Somalia, keep up the great work sir I would love to see it more often!
@@TheColdWarTV thank you for covering this, but Take your Time, as you propably will need to get into much of the external and internal History of europe and africa
Not as one sided, as described in the video. In the initial years of Bulgaria's Comecon membership, the country benefited from energy prices below world levels, especially for oil, in two ways. The cost of developing otherwise inefficient industries was lower, and reexport of crude and refined oil for hard currency bought Western technology to upgrade the industrial infrastructure. Comecon members paid for their imports through bilateral clearing agreements, with no exchange of hard currency. In the initial stages of Comecon, Bulgaria exported mainly food, the price of which was lower in Comecon than on the world market. Later, however, Bulgaria paid for imported Soviet raw materials largely with machinery that was priced higher than on the world market
@@romelnegut2005 Yes, your 1,200 so-called ”resistance groups” were Fascists, pro-Nazis and pro-German (germanophilic). As stated in the video at 9:28 onward, the Communists won in urban areas.
ahead of the central comitee building a man keeps yelling 'we don't have food, heat, electricity' . after a few days the security picks him up. to scare him they close him in a cage and shoot him with blanks then release him. the next day he is in front of the central comitee yelling ' we don't even have bullets'
You say Bulgarians and Russians share slavic ancestry and language... We don't... Bulgaria was formed in 681 a long time before Russia, we originated the Cyrillic alphabet which Russians adopted, though one could argue the extent of the Second Bulgarian Empire may have influenced development of language and culture. While we are Slavic, Bulgarians consider themselves South Slavs with hardly any relation at all to Russians.
@@meeeee8745 No. In the terms of Turk ancestry, it is meant from the Turk tribes of Eastern Asia (Mongolia etc)... Those settlers eventually made their way to Europe and mixed with the local tribes. There is no relation to Turkey the country or Turkish people. On the other hand, maybe in recent years during Turkish occupation of Bulgaria from 1300s until the 1800s there may have been relations, though it was forbidden as Bulgarians are Christians & the Turkish muslim. During Communism shortly after it too was forbidden with a lot of Turkish forces to leave Bulgaria. So yes, there is families with Turkish roots, but they are mainly Turkish settlers left from the days of occupation.
@@Malfoy1594 yes yes, I meant turk tribes(mongolian). I am from Kosovo(Albanian) and I used to think of Bulgaria as this very isolated and traditional Slavic nation(because of the slavic alphabet and orthodox history) until I heard of these Asian roots from some youtube video. But I assume all of us in the Balkans are a little mixed indeed. I had the chance to visit Blagoevgrad and I got to see some Macedonians and maybe a Greek living together very friendly. So thanks for the info bro!
@@meeeee8745 Slavic tribes lived in the areas of Bulgaria before the Turks arrived, but there was no country. When Khan Asparuh came he conquered the lands and created Bulgaria in 681. While one of his Brothers stayed near Russia creating Volga Bulgaria until the Mongols conquered it & another of his Brothers went to Italy. They mixed with the Slavs. Macedonia as the 'area' is historically true by name but its people today are a mix of Greek / Bulgarian people due to the constant conquests of the land expansion. Bulgaria originated the written language, while the Slavic language is more so original to the people before the Turks arrived.
Can you make a video about the Central American Crisis when major civil wars and communist revolutions erupted in various countries in Central America in the midst of the Cold War
The Fatherland front in Bulgaria overthrew the government on September 9th 1944. I wouldn't describe the government as military dictatorship but more like authoritarian monarchy during the rule of Boris III. The military made coup d'etat on May 19th 1934 but soon after that in 1935 Boris III take the initiative and the army went back to the barracks. The same man who made the coup in 1934 then joined the Fatherland front and made the coup in 1944. His name is Kimon Georgiev and he is very interesting person. He made three coups in 1923, in 1934 and in 1944. He was against the communists in 1923 but then he became their ally.
Your facts about Bulgaria during and after the WWII are inaccurate. Bulgaria had an autocratic monarchy, not a military dictatorship. In addition, a huge difference between Romania and Bulgaria is that Bulgaria, after being forced to abandon its neutrality in 41, didn't send troops to fight with the Germans. Not only against the Soviet union. Moreover, the communists were weak, not even secondary force in Bulgaria. The Fatherland front didn't overthrow the regime, it was done by the Soviets who already had declared war to Bulgaria and had entered the country and partially occupied it, even if Bulgarian officials said they will not oppose the Soviets. There is more but my message gets very long. My point is that you can verify absolutely everything I said, even on Wikipedia. You lose credibility when you can't be bothered to research even such easily verified facts.
As in "Peoples' Republic of the United States". There's a reason they fought on the side of communism in WW2. Americans seem to think that their government starting lying to them during their own lifetimes. Heh, heh, heh...
@@marcbahn5487 During World War II the alliance with the Communist was the enemy of my enemy relationship very tenuous at best. And when have you heard the peoples Republic of the United States. It's just the Republic of the United States. You're thinking of the people's Republic of China, people's Republic of North Korea, people's Republic of Uganda. People's Republic of the Soviet Union, And much more. The United States does not call itself the peoples Republic of the United States it's just the Republic of the United States.
It's such a hassle to drive all the way to the Countryside to also "manage" the election there. And why bother, when people there are too dispersed to be a threat.
Papa Joe The west was definitely interested in Greece before the Communists took power throughout the Balkans. Also small parts of Turkey and (less so) Italy are located on the peninsula and neither of them were ever communist.
Although with the execution of Nikola Petkov, Georgi M. Dimitrov(not the dictator) and the imprisonment of all connected to the party of the Agricultural Union BZNS, the political opposition was removed, the movement of the Goryani(deriving from forest) was active until 1953. It had more than a 100,000 members or associates and was arguably one of the first and biggest uprising against the communist regimes in Eastern Europe.
For those who are interested in this period in this part of Europe and see the word "persecution" and yawn, read a book titled "The Anti-humans". If memory serves it was written by Kenneth Goff in either the late 50s or early 60s.
I feel a little sorry for these two countries. They became something worse that Nazi after WWII. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
@@brokenbridge6316 well ya, at least that, but he did what he did, all those dead people will never come back to life. And after the war the stalinism got into power, so of course it was worse
@@liviabaciu2656---Yeah I know dead people can't come back to life. But I say these countries didn't truly become better until after Communism fell in Eastern Europe.
I am not going to debate the historical points made in this video but these videos kind of do a disservice to the folks who suffered immensely in both countries because of the brutal communists. Neither the Bulgarians nor Romanians wanted communist rule so it had to be crammed down their throats. How folks can be so evil is beyond my thinking . Whenever we talk about historical events involving communists or for any far left political group for that matter there is nothing but death , misery , poverty and suffering. By the way , the election process in Romania and Bulgaria that this video tells about sounds ominously similar to the election process that is beginning to form here in the United States with ballot harvesting and manipulation . There are other things going on here in America that is very alarming such as intolerance of folks who disagree with you politically and brandishing them as fascists , traitors and enemies of the State with no real facts to support these accretions.
Yes this happened in the 1960s/early 70s as Bulgaria was in a state of high debt to the USSR and Zhivkov thought it would’ve been easier to try and just outright join the USSR. Ofc, the ussr wanted to keep Bulgaria subjugated and so didn’t accept the proposal
Because it clearly was. Especially young king of romanians was hugely popular so communist force him to abdicate. Still popular after he came back to Romania after fall of communist regime, but romanian ex-comm. politicians were in fear of his popularity and possibility that monarchy can be restored and they could not rule like they wanted. So they let him being expeled form country once more. About monarchy, there is no modern country which benefited from abolishing contitutional monarchy. But let me guess, you are 'Murican?
@@kolomaznik333 France (if we call Napoleon a constitutional monarch or the Bourbon restoration period) Germany, Italy, India, Sri Lanka. What good does some royal blood sitting on a taxpayer financed golden toilet do?
I agree with Jacob, King Michael of Romania didn't had a problem with the Nazis until the war gone to Hitler disadvantage. The coup d'etat was instrumented by the monarch and the Communists. To add the cherry on top: i.imgur.com/xogApnu.jpg
Tzar Boris the Third of Bulgaria was poisoned after his return from Germany - it was heavily speculated that he was poisoned by Hitler for refusing to give up the bulgarian jews but actually when he returned , he visited the Soviet embassy and then got a heart attack. The Austrian doctors concluded that it was a typical oriental death - meaning he was poisoned with some eastern (soviet) shit...
@@kolomaznik333 speaking as a greek, monarchism is a believe that deserves to be buried in the past. And I prefer romania as a democracy, it just needs some Work.
The Soviet occupation forces were more forgiving in Romania than in Bulgaria. The reason for this was that Bulgaria was at the time strong in the Communist Party and weak in Romania.
It doesn't make sense, the soviets treated us the same that they treated the germans because we were the largest force after the germans fighting in stalingrad and the eastern front,and of course because we hate russians. So stealing and raping was an everyday occurance.
You got it right, except that land was only taken, not given to peasants by communists. I have never heard about any land being give to peasants, only taken.
Why are so many defending The Soviet Union? Dont you peploe understand what terror and fear is? Not to mention the milions who died within the soviet union?
You should do a video about the slavish devotion of the Bulgarian Communist Party under Todor Zhivkov to the USSR's political and economic leads. This devotion clearly involved the Durzhavna Sigurnost carrying out Soviet-sanctioned kidnappings and assassinations abroad, such as Georgi Markov. Perhaps also the 1981 attempt on Pope John Paul II.
You should make a video about (attempted) sovietization of Yugoslavia. It is not mentioned much, but I guess situation was actually more interesting then in other "normal" communist counties.
@@Габриел-у5э He said it to Ribbentrop, back in 1942: bg.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_III "My people fight only on the Balkans, where our ethnic lands lie. We can't fight on other fronts or in Africa. If our army is sent to the Volga, it will switch to the Russian side together with the military orchestra." (reply to the question of the Reich's foreign minister Von Ribbentrop, during their meeting in Berlin in the summer of 1942, about the sending of Bulgarian forces to the Eastern Front or in support of Rommel in Africa, which the tsar rejected) On that same meeting, he reportedly also refused to send 1,500 Bulgarian volunteers to the Eastern Front and said that his foreign policy motto is "Always with Germany, never against Russia".
Surly. Because we were not part of Soviet block, after 1948. Until Stalin death we were not in good relations with Soviet Union. Since Cominform made resolution against Tito and Yugoslavia, many Stalin suporters were imprisoned on Goli Otok, island in present day Croatia. After that we were more open to West block. There is a lot of things to write about that...
Also interesting things would be also partition of Free Zone of Trieste between Yugoslavia and Italy. And inter ethnic relations, between especially Serbs and Croats, and also between Serbs and Albanians in present day Kosovo (which status is still disputed).
In all honesty though, while Romania sure suffered quite violent occupation and Sovietisation, Bulgaria has always been semi-Russian - almost like Russia's foreign half-colony. So for Bulgarians going the same path Russia went sure shouldn't have been a surprise.
The Soviets used Eastern Europe the same way as the aliens in Independence Day used other planets before they showed up in the skies of Earth. Had they have won the Cold War, they would have strip mined the rest of Europe economically before doing it to the rest of the world. The state would have truly withered.
America is just one Romano-Jewish project , weapon , bastion , fuse ... ~340 000 000 Rominized/Latinized wh*rish survived abortions , of half-breed mongrels , which the Roman/Italian ancestral elite ruling "america" and "the west"( haha ha ) to use to conquer("unite") and "integrate"\asimilate( Romanize/"Latinize" the world . ... But , nothing is over wet .. BulgArian/PreSlavic hegemony - Roman/Latin assimilation and cultural and economical genocid = retribution(reciprocity). ... Накрая дори и Ватикана ще пише и говори на български( "църковно-славянски"\"руски") . .. Мръсна римско-еврейска("латинска"\"западна") к*рвенска , васална , маргинална , колониална низша племенна гной
What were those 2 countries thinking when they invaded Russia? Romania has unde 100 small tanks. Russia had 25000, and made thousands more. Like, wtf were those leaders thinking, attacking Russia!
Weird how a lot of things said here are being repeated in the USA. i.e. Communism is popular in the cities. There's others but that one sticks out in mind.
Great episode but a couple of inaccuracies regarding Bulgaria. First, it is incorrect to say that Bulgaria was "allied" with Germany - the country was forced into submission by threat of use of force. German troops had crossed the Danube and entered northern Bulgaria when Bulgaria gave in to the threats and signed an agreement with Germany. I do not think that you could call this an "alliance". Second, it is not true that the last resistance to the communists died with Petkov in 1947. There was a strong guerrilla movement numbering in the tens of thousand fighting against the communists. It continued a sustained and organised armed resistance up until 1958, i.e. for more than 10 years. This guerrilla movement (called goryani or goryanstvo) was largely undiscussed during the communist dictatorship because it did not fit the wrong narrative that Bulgarians "welcomed" communists. There are wonderful recent works on the subject by Bulgarian historians who studied communist archives and interviewed participants in the armed struggle. It will take some time before these studies trickle down to English-language sources. Edit: and to add, Bulgarians definitely do not have "common ancestry" with Russians. Some very limited language similarities and that's all. Bulgarian is as different from Russian as Spanish is from English.
In Romania, the vilifying of the PNT was quite easy because the party itself made a historical mistake. In the per-war years they signed a non-aggression treaty with the Iron Guard, the fascist para-military organization (the later Legion of the Holy Arch-angels led by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu). So labeling them as friends of the Nazis wasn't exactly difficult. Also, the Bulgars aren't exactly a Slavic nation, they are predominantly Turkic, only they lost their original language and adopted a Slavic language that is very similar to Russian, mostly for religious reasons,
Where do you guys taking your information? The "switching of languages" is ridiculous. The "Turkic" Bulgarians didn't adopt a Slavic language - Proto-Bulgarian is the source of Slavic languages, along with the alphabet. You should really do some research on anthropology, linguistics and history. Church Slavonic is a ruse by the Russians to obfuscate the real origin of the language, as it doesn't seem imperious enough to get language and religion from such a (currently) small state.
@@nihil1234 Sure. And the Dacians built the pyramids and there are tunnels under the Carpathians which the Aliens used, by the way, did you know that Jesus was Romanian?. Also Hungarian language comes from Sumerian, it's a version of the Etruscan and it's also closely related to both Japanese and all the Native American languages... Every East-European nation has it's crazy mythology that "proves" that they are the most ancient, most important, most powerful and so on. And all these mythologies have their prophets, there are conferences and events that take them seriously, a crapload of books written on these topics and a significant number of people who believe them because that makes them feel good about themselves So far serious scientists, linguists, anthropologists, historians take these theories about as seriously as the flat Earth theory or Chemtrail, or any of the Qanon bullshit.
@@ferencercseyravasz7301 That was very spirited, a total kneeslapper! Now all that remains is for you to show me the works of all these reputable academics and scientists with their genetics studies and linguistics works. I'm sure they'll defend your point. I sure can. That's not some hidden esoteric information - you just need to get your head out of the pyramid and do a bit of research. Please enlighten me on how disproving make-believe genealogy and outdated propaganda equates flat-earthers. I'm waiting. A Tatar speaking Slavonic and writing in Moon runes
@@nihil1234 Nope. There are several things that I'm not willing to do. One of them is arguing with ultra-nationalist mythologists. It's a bit like arguing with a Jehovah's Witness, exhausting and fruitless I wrote my comment above to give a counter argument not to you but to those people in distant lands who may read this. Another thing that I'm not going to do is to do your research for you. But I'm going to give you a hint: mixing up genetics and linguistics is the most telltale sign of an amateur.
@@ferencercseyravasz7301 1)There are many studies on Bulgarian genetics that disprove firmly any turkic origins. 2)The so called Old church slavonic was developed in Bulgaria in 9th century. It is 100% Old Bulgarian. It was used by all slavic churches and it is the language most slavic languages developed from. The current Church slavonic is 95% Middle Bulgarian spoken from 12th to 16th century. 3)Bulgaria has a Patriach from 919, Russia from 1596. So who got religion and language from who? Since you are clearly a professional have a quick read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic#First_Bulgarian_Empire en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Orthodox_Church#Autocephaly_and_Patriarchate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians
Naive move (speaking about Groza's promise to the west for free elections in Romania) ... really .. hahhahahahahhaahahhahah ... ever heard about the conference of Yalta ?
After finishing reading all of your comments (and opinions...). I understand that some of you guys, don't know some historical facts.... Romanias provinces ,wanted(since 1600's) to finnaly unite(and gather under one flag, after several centuries of staying apart, because some of the major European powers had more to gain if the Romanian speaking provinces were divided). Thus, because the romainian people finnaly wanted to make a single country, they (the political class of that time-witch many of them where just mere puppets of other bigger powers...)tryed to make the unification possible, by making alliances (that was the only way possible, at that point in history... unfortunately)... And after the first World War, Romania was an ally of France (thus an ally of Russia, too)... but because (after begging for support from her allies to help her fight the axis) was mocked, and at gatherings in Paris some of the allied representatives told Romanian prime-minister that his country (or people desire of unity) ISN'T as important as helping Greece(witch gave western allies control over Mediterranean sea, thus say that a united Romania wasn't a priority).... But if they (the western allies) had chose to keep their support for Romania, they would have denied nazi Germany the access to petrol and gas(witch drove the nazi army for so long and fuelled their tanks, warships and U-boats....), thus denying Germany the thrust much-needed for their Blitz campaign (and they couldn't continue to conquer as easily France.... and they had stop after the Poland campaign. But it seems that the colonial ideas(and thinking at the time) were the deciding factor witch made Romainia to "accept" the "proposal" of Germany (and we payed the price for that, not only in lands lost, but in the many lives lost in the war..) . Romania lost as many, if not more soldiers than Italy. Thus making Romania's casualties of war reaching over 1.2 million casualties ,making it second to German's troops lost. But after Romania switched sides, (and shortening the war by an considerable amount, and saving many more casualties of war) the allies (witch whom we begged at first to keep their word as allies....) now because we turned our backs on Nazi Germany (and started to fight them, helping the Russian's), ordered Romania's army(from a number or 600k of soldiers) to send 350k(and the majority of officers) to Siberia, thus sending their own troops to be executed, while the rest of them had to keep fighting towards West, towards Berlin.... Then, as compensation we lost Moldova and the other lands witch now some of you guys say that Romania, stole-but it was the other way around (at that time in history those lands were majority Romanian, and the people just wanted to unite finnaly under one flag as one nation witch spoke the same language....)
Although popular history makes it seem that the Sovietization of Eastern Europe happened immediately after WWII, it can't be far from the truth. Hopefully, our videos will help in changing this perception - each of these countries had events distinctly different from the others.
How about something on Yugoslavia?
"Far from the truth" or "farther from the truth"??
Great project. Don't forget about the guerilla war in Baltics and West Ukraine which lasted up to 50's, deportations of untrustful people in 1949, as well as the famine in Moldova in 1947. Those are most important manifestations of the sovietization in the territories which the USSR gained as the result of the WWII. Also the sovietization of East Prussia (now Kaliningrad oblast of Russia) was very tragic for the local Germans.
"it can't be far from the truth" - Implying that it's mostly true? Isn't that the opposite of this videos message? are you sure you don't mean farther?
I am afraid your vlog does little to dispel popular history only to further demonize the former Soviet Union in favor Fascist history. The Axis was formed in 1936 when Germany and Japan signed the Anti-Comintern pact to contain communism. The Tripartite Pact(1940) the focus of much of popular history included Italy becoming the Axis Powers. Hungary, Bulgaria,Romania and Thailand would later join. The focus of WW2 was never England but the Soviet Union. Also, after the devastation of the war at the hands of the Fascist, Bulgarians and Romanians elected leftist parties. Along with all of Europe.
The events directly after World War 2 are some of the most important and most ignored topics of the 20th century. These events shaped half of Europe for almost half the century. Thank you for this series
Fun fact Bulgaria was the only nation in the axis powers to keep land it had been awarded during treaties signed during the war
Well it had to give land back to Greece and Yugoslavia but it kept Southern Dobruja which it took from Romania.
The Soviets got to keep half of Poland.
@@dams6829 Romania gave that land on its own accord after it was asked to do so by Bulgaria.
Not at the time of the pact.
Thank you for the fun fact lord redittor
The king of romania did not abdicate because he was surrounded, but he was threatened with killing thousand of students that were imprisoned after protests in favour of the king.
Unsurprising that they'd omit such a detail.
Like a romanian i can say that this is fake. He was a coward children king who receive medals from soviets and take all the money he can before going in exile. He didn't even build a strong comunity outside to fight spread of comunism in Romania
The king never signed the abdication. After all the threats. Arsenie Boca told him that if he stayed in the country, the russians will assassinate him. Signing would mean an act of treason. May God remember and bless the soul of King Mihai!!!🙏
He didn't leave with all that gold. It was all a scam by the party. To give him a bad name. When my grandparents were kicked out of their house they even had clothes and cuttlary pilfered by the militia. How much more 20 wagons laden with gold? Who would let him? A group of former bandits turned politician? C'mon guys. It's been 30 years, stop belevieng all those lyes.
@@adrianeng20 Esti prea prost ca sa comentezi pe youtube
An extremely important part of the history of this time period in Bulgaria that the video doesn’t mention is that the takeover by communists in Bulgaria triggered a red terror that resulted in the brutal slaughter of 10,000+ people who were seen as enemies of the party in one way or another. And many, many more were exiled to labor camps.
The impact on society that this purge of some of the most highly skilled and intelligent people in Bulgaria can still be felt to this day. An absolute tragedy.
Romania and Bulgaria were given over to the USSR by the UK in exchange for the Soviets not interfering in the Greek Civil War, as the UK had high interests in Greece's naval bases
+Iordav He had interest in the access to Suez canal. Anyway, he didn't really give them to URSS. Is not like Britain or Churchill really had the power to oppose the Soviets, or dictate the outcome. The only reason why Stalin accepted was probably that he was intending to solve the matter later, trough another war.... there are theories that he actually planned the 3rd war, but died before he could do so.
The Red Army conquered Eastern Europe. The British government simply accepted that reality and got some concessions in return.
@@davidgreen5994 he even said war between the capitalist and the communist/state capitalist world was enviable in a speech.
So thats probobly where those theories came from.
None were part of USSR
@@pizdanpula223 we weren't part of the ussr. We were satellite states. Which made it even worse as the soviets just took everything giving nothing in return but misery
Sovietization of Poland
Sovietization of Czechoslovakia
Sovietization of Hungary
Sovietization of Bulgaria
Sovietization of Romania
Sovietization of YugBITCH YOU THOUGHT
They did Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia already. Just look into the channel.
@@andersonandrighi4539 I think he is making joke about Yugoslavia being outside soviet sphère of influence
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Tito:Cant touch this
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Stalin didnt touched yougoslavia because Churchil said 50% influence for the west there, not because some bravure is other thing
@@polentusmax6100 churchil also said that there should be democratic elections in poland,romania,czechoslovakia,bulgaria etc...But that didnt happend
Stalin coudnt do nothing to yugoslavia beacouse red army didnt ocupied yugoslavia
One fact that isn't mentioned is that Yugoslavia invited Bulgaria to join it in a union called the Balkan Federation however this was stopped by the Soviet influence after the breaking of relations between Stalin and Tito. Not exactly the most relevant but its implications meant that Bulgaria would not move away from the Soviets and would project its interests within the Balkans.
It's was two-way negotiated which wasn't finalized. Bulgarian government supported it, Yugoslavian was still thinking about it, but Stalin didn't want Tito taking his positions on Balkans after the Tito-Stalin split so they forced Bulgaria to reverse the course of the negotiations. I think it wasn't so bad for Bulgaria to not join since we may be otherwise involved in the 90s wars. There were ideas Romania and even Greece (an idea supported by some of the Greece commies) to join Balkan Federation as well.
Now it's mentioned in the 'Sovietisation of Yugoslavia' video, the next part of the series.
Well it's not like we had a choice since USSR had full control over our politics but even if we had, we would never unite with Yugoslavia since we don't like serbs and serbs would still be in charge of the federation
Robert, what’s the flag in your pfp?
Yugoslavia did not invite Bulgaria to join the 'Balkan Union'. This idea was suggested by Stalin but Yugoslavia refused to do so. There's a video about it on this channel
My grandparents were both Transylvanian Cooperative farmers. Nobody "received" land, as it used a gridlike system where everyone lived around the edges of a communal plot, however these plots were strictly regulated. Very little of the food ever saw it's was back to the people, especially during the 1970s and 80s. The only food security was the limited wheat on the edges of the field which were considered "surplus" for storage, which would usually be stockpiled and turned to bread later down the line. Transylvania was not a happy place during this time period, as the pre-war conditions really weren't as bad as the communists seemed to make it out. Many people, including the farmers, resisted, as they were POORER after the redistribution than they were beforehand. It was abysmal, as I've seen first hand, and my ancestors who were previously tenant farmers on larger transylvanian farms, were relegated to having less after their former German landowners were killed. They were not the only ones, 10,000 farmers and landowners were killed outright, with many more jailed. I excuse the longwinded comment, but I have no shortage of stories of the hardships and failures of the regime. I will say however, there was a good period in the late Georghiu-dej era.
Gheorghe Gheorghiu Dej was as bad as Ceaușescu, even worse actually. The only thing that made him look better than Ceaușescu was the fact that he didn't really starve the people. He killed so many tho
Străbunicul meu aveao grămadă de pământ în Argeș pe care i l-au luat comuniștii,i-au luat până și cositoarea mecanică asta după ce luptase pentru țară în Al Doliea Război Mondial și a rămas toată viața cu traume din război,iar străbunicul meu din Olt a fost ultimul din satul său care și-a dat pământul asta după ce membrii partidului intrau noaptea peste ei în casă și îi băteau inclusiv pe bunica care era un copil de câțiva ani pe atunci
Also I heard that in the early Ceascescu period, PR Romania was among the most liberal "People's Democracies". Is that true from what your family has told you?
@@JakobMoscow Yeah early on he allowed for liberal literature so long as it was more or less critiquing his predecessor, however after his visit to north Korea and the July Theses that's when everything rapidly began to get worse under his rule.
@@philstory2556 Yes! I actually have the book from North Korea “detaılıng” theır vısıts wıth each other. I had wondered ıf that story was apochryphal or not wıth hım beıng ınfatuated wıth what Kım Il-Sung had ın the DPRK. Why dıd he crıtıcıze hıs predeccessor?
Fun Fact: Bulgaria’s last King, who’s reign came to an end in 1946, came back from exile and was elected it’s Prime Minister in 2001 with people chanting “We want our King!” As his campaign slogan
*Tzar not king
Yeah and he was a complete idiot.
Its. And Simeon turned out to be a total crook.
Talk about the Romanian opossition of invasion of Czechoslovakia . Sorry for my english
Ceausescu didn't like the precedent, but whereas Dubcek tried to humanise the system, Nicolae didn't, so he was safe. No one under Soviet rule looked to Romania and thought 'if only we were like that'.
Yup. Waiting for that one.
@@EdMcF1 The system did get liberalized for a while during the late 60s and early 70s, it became more liberalized ever since around 1966, it only turned bad after around 1973.
It is literally a shame that this channel has so few subscribers. This channel is one of the most informative channels on this site.
Hope that this changes soon
I find it surprising too given that their other channel is quite popular. I guess the advantage is there is more room for discussion rather than just an all in brawl.
@@MrCordycep I think it's more to do, with host not being quite as charismatic/confident as The Great War's/WW2 Indie.
Just something he should work on, putting some more energy in narating.
Remember, when it comes to History, it's not about the Numbers of people knowing about your Channel, but rather how big and accurate the Picture of History really is
I come from Romania , sadly this shaped our country for ever , the effects and mentally are to be felt today mostly in rural areas.
Same in Bulgaria. We are more alike than we realise!
What do Romanians nowadays actually think about the ethnic minorities of Transylvania like the Transylvanian Swabians,the Szekely,the Transyvanian Saxons or "Săsi",the Slovak and other Slavs like the Bulgarians mentioned in this video,the Armenians of Transyvania and especially about other Eastern Romance languages-speakers like the Moldovans and the ones in the link Just to mention some but I guess that there might be more different ethniticities and minorities and are there stereotypes in Romania about those people and ethnic groups?
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My great grandad was a rural Romanian during the unfolding of the events between 1944-47. Until the day he died a few years ago, he was a staunch supporter of PNȚ, whom he saw represented the rural folk (of which the majority of the population were). He had to keep his beliefs hushed during the regime until 1989.
My great grandmother's family were wealthier sheep hearders who employed others to look after the flock. Their flock and wealth which they built over time was taken away by the communists after 1947, and my great grandma became poor, living in one of the least developed regions of Romania at the time.
Romania had it own form of communism, much more brutal than other eastern European communist countries. Ceausescu was like, oh you want communist, ill give you communism and proceed to take examples from North Korea.
@Wolfenstein Gamer Stfu He was a tyrant who destroyed the country. Go move to North Korea if you want a "true leader".
Ceausescu was a incompetent bafoon who supported Pol Pot
Romania even boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics! Respect.
@@Cjnw pe bune tu chiar crezi ca el e grozav. Baiete daca el chiar ar fi fost grozav el nu ar mai fi fost proteste impotriva lui. Poti sa vezi ce a facut cu muncitorii care trebuiau sa construiasca palatul parlamentului. O gramada au murit pentru un palat inutil
@ჶ Troopa3xd ჶ i was not saying about a war. i was talking about his brutal dictatorship. i am a romanian so i know better about him
Hi David. Respect for this Cold War endeavor, from a Romanian. Having followed through your narrative, there is one aspect I'd like to emphasize - it may seem a detail, though I can assure you it's not -, related to the SovRom type of companies: they weren't 50/50 resource shared, but were one of the official means of the war reparations that the Soviet Union claimed from Romania. Thus, the lion's share was for Moscow, undoubtedly! So, the ratio was way different than what your narrative implies - I consider it safe to be called "pillage", that was done systematically and I'd appreciate your investigation in this direction, if ever. Of course there are other aspects that may shift the story - my support for the benefits of addressing these East Europe (hi)stories prevails, though :)
Even the commies in România considered the Sovroms as pillaging done by the USSR.
My mom told me about her stories about sending them to cotton fields during her time in primary school from 1st grade to 7th. I mean can you imagine the levels of collectivism here? All of the population from 7 to 77 were all on the work line.
As a Romanian, I am learning history from a foreigner. Intresting....
You helped me learn my history lesson faster than my Bulgarian textbook. Thanks dude!
I think you guys should make a video about Turkish Coup in 1980 made by Kenan Evren, to prevent a civil war between Far Left and Far Right.
Smart af
Like if you are Romanian like me and watch the video in 2020 big like and respect! I like my country history!
For the record. Historically, Russian share the bases of their language with Bulgaria. But as we know history can be re-written
Can you make a video about the Central American Crisis when major civil wars and communist revolutions erupted in various countries in Central America in the midst of the Cold War?
Also, as we're on the early stages of the Cold War on this channel, many nationalist and democratic movements erupted in central america, but the USA portrayted them as communists. I think the only case were democracy flourished and wasn't overthorwed by USA was Costa Rica.
@@viniz200 they were communist! Please don’t talk about what you do not know. My family lived through that period in that region.
@@giloro85 "In that region" I suppose your family didn't live in every country in Central America.
@@viniz200 only in Nicaragua, where the Sandinistas helped every leftist “national democratic” group. Heck, I am related to major players for both Somocista and Sandinistas. So stop acting smart.
@@giloro85 I'm not disagreeing with you. That's why I said "on the early stages of the Cold War", I was referring more to Guatemala during Arbenz presidency before the coup, as well as other governments in Latin America, Peronismo at Argentina, Vargismo at Brazil. None of these were communists, far from it, Vargas was almost a fascist, Argentina doesn't even need commentaries, they were just nationalist and populist governments at the right and left of political spectrum, with an autonomistic and nonaligned foreign policy, which Washington disliked, considering the region as their backyard.
It sounded like you said "oppress the bell-button". :P
It is not a socially-friendly bell button, so it needs to be re-educated.
And Bulgariаns and Russians don't share common ancestry. The Russians are mixture of East Slavs and mostly Finn tribes. The Bulgarians are mixture of South Slavs and Turkic / Iranian tribes. The Russian and the Bulgarian languages are quite different also. There's old Slavic / Bulgarian influence in the Russian cause the Russians used old Bulgarian books when they became Christians
Where is the mixture of Turkish/Iranian tribes in the modern genetics of Bulgarians though? That's like saying Russians are a mixture of local Finnish populations and the Norwegians who founded the state.
Came here to make the same comment. Bulgarians are mainly Turkic who switched languages and went with Slavic. Yes, hundreds of years ago, but there's no ancestry as such, wrong statement.
@@Ferruccio001 where do you guys learn history? Not once were we called Turkic as major ethnic background. Maybe check the latest in historical and genetic research? Turkic was the ruling class of proto-Bulgarians. Are Russian mainly Norwegian?
@@Ferruccio001 Quite a common misconception. To switch languages, the eventually turkic (following your statemen) Bulgars should be either dominated culturally or politically (they were neither) or less numerous.
The Bulgarian language is debately the first written Slavic one, therefore the eventual Turkic influence isn't significant.
The Bulgarians show no Turkic influence in antropologic nor genetic sense neither. I believe you are intelligent enough to make a research on your own.
Edit: Even the Bulgarians in this very video look nothing like Central Asians.
Bullshit, the bulgars are turkic but the bulgarians are slavs.
He who votes means nothing He who counts the votes means everything
See the democratic primary this year for confirmation.
If I could mention some very important points you forgot to mention.
- First the Communist members were very small and weak. The partisans did not take the power alone. There was no some big spread revolt of the people. This is a myth.
- The government which was ruling up to this moment was a legally elected government, it was not a dictatorship.
- This elections was just a theater.
- In other to come to power the communist power had to sentenced almost 10 000 people ( intellectuals, politicians, military , etc.) with so called people People's Court ( which has nothing to do with people and was unconstitutional. ) People's Court was just a political instrument to remove the opposition.
- The communist regime which was installed was just a Stalin puppet.
In Bulgaria or Romania?
@@jackbharucha1475 Venci is talking about Bulgaria.
Sorry for 2 years later reply - I got really triggerred by what he said in the video. The Partisans total were about 10k maximum and they mostly hid under "communistic views" to ransom people and steal and murder. Without the Red Army entering Bulgaria they'd never show out of the woods.
Stalin's influence extended only as far as his tanks ranged -- and no further.
That's not true actually. Since the 30s communist subversion has been going strong in the west.
funny how that also applies to the US...
well i mean, with the notable exceptions being Vietnamese rice farms
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No, not really. It was more, that in many cases people claimed Things to be communist, that today are rather normal. I mean, have you heard of the origins of political correctness? Itf you don't look it up, it can scare people how Imperialists can lie through their teeth so easily
No it ranget ad far as the americans and british let him to go, they traded the influence in each country in east europe. The UK selled Romania for Grecce.
One of my ancestors lost almost all his land because of the Bulgarian Communist Party
Great video!!! Greetings from Bulgaria!
I find it interesting that the seizure and distribution of land is cast in a positive light.
Because it wasn't done like they did in the Soviet Union. It went a lot more smooth than there.
@@Trexmaster12 we did that also after ww1, we didn't needed communism to do that.
@@Trexmaster12 over 50,000 pesants were executed here in Romania during the Great Theft...
@@TheTollFace ”Great theft”, is that how you call insubordinate scoundrels that refused to feed the cities?
@@Trexmaster12 Thats how the workers and pesants called the event, and the name stuck.
My grandfather was in the Royal Guard when the King was forced to abdicate. He was in the Guard (and the army) for only a few months when this happened. Afterwards, the Guards were disbanded, and their members were scattered to different posts around the country in sets of two people.
Great video! Just one thing about the ending, no Romania actually was very anti-soviet starting from the 60s and so one, one hint: Ceausescu.
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Yes, Ceausescu was so enthralled by what he saw on his visits to North Korea,
he essentially made Juche Romania's state ideology - With the same mad results :( .
I can't speak about the Romanian part of the video, but the Bulgarian segment is plagued with inaccuracies: the communist communist coup d'Etat date, "military dictatorship" before 1944, "big landowners" in the countryside... just to state a few. On the other hand, great footage research, as I hadn't seen many of these images (Petkov trial, the beginning of collectivization, regent's council) even in documentaries done by Bulgarian National Television.
I'm loving theses videos about Eastern Europe, but I wonder if you will do the same when covering the actions of the USA here in Latin America: detailing the events that happened on each country and how they all fell into US backed dictatorships.
of course not. that’s too contentious and won’t monetize well lol these channels are a joke, a tool of propaganda
Greece in the 1950s and afterwards was pretty much the "51st state of USA"; a collection of right-wing, ultra-conservative para-parliamentary dictatorships or an all-out quasi-fascist military junta, all aimed to keep a traditionally left-wing country in NATO.
@@scuevas1 David covered the Chinese civil war and the creation of Vietnam in a relatively neutral and balanced way. Why wouldn't they be able to do Latin America as well?
Actually the communist in Bulgaria took power on 9th of September not 2nd of September after the Red army occupied half of the country.BTW nice vid
шибани червени копелета
The usual grinning workers in Soviet crummy propaganda belied reality.
I'm really enjoying all this content about the Soviet Union and it's adjacent states at the beginnings of the Cold War, but is there any possibility that you could do some episodes that go in depth to the United States, its society, world position, economy and politics at this same time? I know it's a very well worn topic in comparison and overall this stuff is more educational in the truest sense of the word but it would be good to be given some of that context.
Romania did not switch sides because of the war effort against the axis, the king was deposed in 1940 and a military junta was created, named the Legionary state of Romania (Iron Guard Romania) and led by field-marshall Antonescu which became head of state, then in 1944 Antonescu was deposed and king and Kingdom of Romania was reinstated, which was always pro-allies
Excuse me but I'm curious will u include Africa in your series? I mean Africa was the major battlefield for Cold war Superpowers to fight by proxhy wars, for example South African border war, Rhodesians bush war and my favourite Ogaden war when Somalia was rich and powerful and wanted to create Greater Somalia, keep up the great work sir I would love to see it more often!
Yep
@@TheColdWarTV thank you for covering this, but Take your Time, as you propably will need to get into much of the external and internal History of europe and africa
But Somalia lost the Ogaden War, declined and eventually collapsed under a communist leadership that was interestingly US-backed.
Not as one sided, as described in the video. In the initial years of Bulgaria's Comecon membership, the country benefited from energy prices below world levels, especially for oil, in two ways. The cost of developing otherwise inefficient industries was lower, and reexport of crude and refined oil for hard currency bought Western technology to upgrade the industrial infrastructure. Comecon members paid for their imports through bilateral clearing agreements, with no exchange of hard currency. In the initial stages of Comecon, Bulgaria exported mainly food, the price of which was lower in Comecon than on the world market. Later, however, Bulgaria paid for imported Soviet raw materials largely with machinery that was priced higher than on the world market
I wonder if you'll cover the "Anticommunist resistance" subject anytime soon.
There was no anti-Communist resistance. Only Fascist remnants that had to be liquidated.
@@Trexmaster12 So you're telling me that all my compatriots that formed 1,200 resistance groups (the number can be debated) are Fascists.
@@romelnegut2005 Yes, your 1,200 so-called ”resistance groups” were Fascists, pro-Nazis and pro-German (germanophilic). As stated in the video at 9:28 onward, the Communists won in urban areas.
@@Trexmaster12 You mean "won in urban areas".
@@romelnegut2005 When Communists won, nobody in Romania rioted. Go figure...
ahead of the central comitee building a man keeps yelling 'we don't have food, heat, electricity' . after a few days the security picks him up. to scare him they close him in a cage and shoot him with blanks then release him. the next day he is in front of the central comitee yelling ' we don't even have bullets'
You say Bulgarians and Russians share slavic ancestry and language... We don't... Bulgaria was formed in 681 a long time before Russia, we originated the Cyrillic alphabet which Russians adopted, though one could argue the extent of the Second Bulgarian Empire may have influenced development of language and culture. While we are Slavic, Bulgarians consider themselves South Slavs with hardly any relation at all to Russians.
From what I heard, bulgarians have some turkish roots as well. Is that even true?
@@meeeee8745 No. In the terms of Turk ancestry, it is meant from the Turk tribes of Eastern Asia (Mongolia etc)... Those settlers eventually made their way to Europe and mixed with the local tribes. There is no relation to Turkey the country or Turkish people. On the other hand, maybe in recent years during Turkish occupation of Bulgaria from 1300s until the 1800s there may have been relations, though it was forbidden as Bulgarians are Christians & the Turkish muslim. During Communism shortly after it too was forbidden with a lot of Turkish forces to leave Bulgaria. So yes, there is families with Turkish roots, but they are mainly Turkish settlers left from the days of occupation.
@@Malfoy1594 yes yes, I meant turk tribes(mongolian). I am from Kosovo(Albanian) and I used to think of Bulgaria as this very isolated and traditional Slavic nation(because of the slavic alphabet and orthodox history) until I heard of these Asian roots from some youtube video. But I assume all of us in the Balkans are a little mixed indeed. I had the chance to visit Blagoevgrad and I got to see some Macedonians and maybe a Greek living together very friendly. So thanks for the info bro!
@@meeeee8745 Slavic tribes lived in the areas of Bulgaria before the Turks arrived, but there was no country. When Khan Asparuh came he conquered the lands and created Bulgaria in 681. While one of his Brothers stayed near Russia creating Volga Bulgaria until the Mongols conquered it & another of his Brothers went to Italy. They mixed with the Slavs. Macedonia as the 'area' is historically true by name but its people today are a mix of Greek / Bulgarian people due to the constant conquests of the land expansion. Bulgaria originated the written language, while the Slavic language is more so original to the people before the Turks arrived.
Great video loving this channel so far
Can you make a video about the Central American Crisis when major civil wars and communist revolutions erupted in various countries in Central America in the midst of the Cold War
Really loving this channel.
Thanks!
european communism didn't last long but it left issues we still deal with today.
Yeah...
What do you mean with european communism?
@@dimitriosdrossidis9633 probably he means communism in the eastern block
@@OldMrSarvy ok, I was just cofussed, because I didn't know if he meant communism as a whole, "eurocommunism" or something else
As did fascism.
The Fatherland front in Bulgaria overthrew the government on September 9th 1944. I wouldn't describe the government as military dictatorship but more like authoritarian monarchy during the rule of Boris III. The military made coup d'etat on May 19th 1934 but soon after that in 1935 Boris III take the initiative and the army went back to the barracks. The same man who made the coup in 1934 then joined the Fatherland front and made the coup in 1944. His name is Kimon Georgiev and he is very interesting person. He made three coups in 1923, in 1934 and in 1944. He was against the communists in 1923 but then he became their ally.
Your facts about Bulgaria during and after the WWII are inaccurate. Bulgaria had an autocratic monarchy, not a military dictatorship. In addition, a huge difference between Romania and Bulgaria is that Bulgaria, after being forced to abandon its neutrality in 41, didn't send troops to fight with the Germans. Not only against the Soviet union. Moreover, the communists were weak, not even secondary force in Bulgaria. The Fatherland front didn't overthrow the regime, it was done by the Soviets who already had declared war to Bulgaria and had entered the country and partially occupied it, even if Bulgarian officials said they will not oppose the Soviets.
There is more but my message gets very long. My point is that you can verify absolutely everything I said, even on Wikipedia. You lose credibility when you can't be bothered to research even such easily verified facts.
Thank you dude. That was great
The collectivization of agriculture has nothing to do with increasing the food supply. It is solely about starving the regime's enemies.
Is it just me or whenever I hear people's Republic Of ______ it's always the most repressive military regime there is.
As in "Peoples' Republic of the United States". There's a reason they fought on the side of communism in WW2. Americans seem to think that their government starting lying to them during their own lifetimes. Heh, heh, heh...
@@marcbahn5487 During World War II the alliance with the Communist was the enemy of my enemy relationship very tenuous at best. And when have you heard the peoples Republic of the United States. It's just the Republic of the United States. You're thinking of the people's Republic of China, people's Republic of North Korea, people's Republic of Uganda. People's Republic of the Soviet Union, And much more. The United States does not call itself the peoples Republic of the United States it's just the Republic of the United States.
So Dimitrov walks in a ba....... *State Security agent comes in and shoots*
"The communists got less than half the vote, and the urban areas mostly voted communist."
LMAO some things never change...
It's such a hassle to drive all the way to the Countryside
to also "manage" the election there. And why bother,
when people there are too dispersed to be a threat.
Do you see the diffrens betwen Bulgaria, Romania and Poland. The west Don t care abaut the balkans
Papa Joe Yes Bulgaria is in the Balkans. A small part of Romania too so some might argue it is, but definitely not Poland.
Well yeah when you relaize that all the balkans are communist you whant one to not be.
Papa Joe The west was definitely interested in Greece before the Communists took power throughout the Balkans. Also small parts of Turkey and (less so) Italy are located on the peninsula and neither of them were ever communist.
My point is that they didn t even try to stop the soviets in Bulgaria, Romania and help Poland why?
It probably would have led to a war with the Soviets which they wanted to avoid.
Although with the execution of Nikola Petkov, Georgi M. Dimitrov(not the dictator) and the imprisonment of all connected to the party of the Agricultural Union BZNS, the political opposition was removed, the movement of the Goryani(deriving from forest) was active until 1953. It had more than a 100,000 members or associates and was arguably one of the first and biggest uprising against the communist regimes in Eastern Europe.
This. He was like reading from a pro-communist textbook...
Communists persecuting non-communists!? No way....
/s
There is still the matter of Northern Dobrudja... Part of Bulgaria that is still occupied...
How about a video on the Sovietization of the "stans?"
For those who are interested in this period in this part of Europe and see the word "persecution" and yawn, read a book titled "The Anti-humans". If memory serves it was written by Kenneth Goff in either the late 50s or early 60s.
Black days for the Bulgarian long history!!!
Romania too.
No no these there red days not black days
Darker with the Turks
Друго си беше при бай Тошо
#BlackSea
Somewhere between 100,000 to 160,000 Romanians died at Stalingrad.
Romania lost around 300,000 soldiers and 200,000 civilians,
during WW2....
I find the parts about Bulgaria to be very inaccurate and vague.
@zxc zxcv You care enough to comment.
Wow you really brought out the Monarchists in this one! lol
I feel a little sorry for these two countries. They became something worse that Nazi after WWII. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
Romania killed 400,000 Jews under the dictatorship of Ion Antonescu. Just saying
@@liviabaciu2656---Again. It became worse after the war. The fact that Antonescu didn't stay dictator was the only good thing to come out of this.
@@brokenbridge6316 well ya, at least that, but he did what he did, all those dead people will never come back to life. And after the war the stalinism got into power, so of course it was worse
@@liviabaciu2656---Yeah I know dead people can't come back to life. But I say these countries didn't truly become better until after Communism fell in Eastern Europe.
I am not going to debate the historical points made in this video but these videos kind of do a disservice to the folks who suffered immensely in both countries because of the brutal communists. Neither the Bulgarians nor Romanians wanted communist rule so it had to be crammed down their throats. How folks can be so evil is beyond my thinking . Whenever we talk about historical events involving communists or for any far left political group for that matter there is nothing but death , misery , poverty and suffering. By the way , the election process in Romania and Bulgaria that this video tells about sounds ominously similar to the election process that is beginning to form here in the United States with ballot harvesting and manipulation . There are other things going on here in America that is very alarming such as intolerance of folks who disagree with you politically and brandishing them as fascists , traitors and enemies of the State with no real facts to support these accretions.
I remember hearing something about Bulgaria applying to become a republic of the USSR, but was rejected...
Yes, I know they were a satellite state, but I'd heard they basically applied to become a soviet state, like Georgia, Russia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, etc
@@johnnyscifi yes, I read about that, but because they had no land border with the USSR were rejected.
Yes this happened in the 1960s/early 70s as Bulgaria was in a state of high debt to the USSR and Zhivkov thought it would’ve been easier to try and just outright join the USSR. Ofc, the ussr wanted to keep Bulgaria subjugated and so didn’t accept the proposal
Bulgaria and Russia don't share language, it's like saying Dutch and Norwegians share language because they both have Germanic origins.
More like Dutch and German but you are completely right
Bulgaria (along with Serbia) use Cyrillic script.
@@andrewsitu5107 Yes, But there is a lot of differece in the grammar.
@@andrewsitu5107 Vietnam uses Latin letter doest it make Vietnamese similar to German ?
@@andrewsitu5107 Turkish and English use Latin script but none are Latin people!
2:10 That number totally wasn't fake or anything!
*Sarcasm of Course*
Why do you make abolishing the monarchy sound like a bad thing?
Because it clearly was. Especially young king of romanians was hugely popular so communist force him to abdicate. Still popular after he came back to Romania after fall of communist regime, but romanian ex-comm. politicians were in fear of his popularity and possibility that monarchy can be restored and they could not rule like they wanted. So they let him being expeled form country once more. About monarchy, there is no modern country which benefited from abolishing contitutional monarchy. But let me guess, you are 'Murican?
@@kolomaznik333 France (if we call Napoleon a constitutional monarch or the Bourbon restoration period) Germany, Italy, India, Sri Lanka. What good does some royal blood sitting on a taxpayer financed golden toilet do?
I agree with Jacob, King Michael of Romania didn't had a problem with the Nazis until the war gone to Hitler disadvantage. The coup d'etat was instrumented by the monarch and the Communists.
To add the cherry on top: i.imgur.com/xogApnu.jpg
Tzar Boris the Third of Bulgaria was poisoned after his return from Germany - it was heavily speculated that he was poisoned by Hitler for refusing to give up the bulgarian jews but actually when he returned , he visited the Soviet embassy and then got a heart attack. The Austrian doctors concluded that it was a typical oriental death - meaning he was poisoned with some eastern (soviet) shit...
@@kolomaznik333 speaking as a greek, monarchism is a believe that deserves to be buried in the past. And I prefer romania as a democracy, it just needs some Work.
The Soviet occupation forces were more forgiving in Romania than in Bulgaria. The reason for this was that Bulgaria was at the time strong in the Communist Party and weak in Romania.
It doesn't make sense, the soviets treated us the same that they treated the germans because we were the largest force after the germans fighting in stalingrad and the eastern front,and of course because we hate russians. So stealing and raping was an everyday occurance.
The west turned a blind eye, WHAT A SHOCKER.
You got it right, except that land was only taken, not given to peasants by communists. I have never heard about any land being give to peasants, only taken.
Why are so many defending The Soviet Union?
Dont you peploe understand what terror and fear is?
Not to mention the milions who died within the soviet union?
You should do a video about the slavish devotion of the Bulgarian Communist Party under Todor Zhivkov to the USSR's political and economic leads. This devotion clearly involved the Durzhavna Sigurnost carrying out Soviet-sanctioned kidnappings and assassinations abroad, such as Georgi Markov. Perhaps also the 1981 attempt on Pope John Paul II.
You should make a video about (attempted) sovietization of Yugoslavia. It is not mentioned much, but I guess situation was actually more interesting then in other "normal" communist counties.
Don't mess with Tito.
@@account-369 By which time, most of the Germans had already withdrawn. Tito also remonstrated Stalin for Soviet Army personnel raping Yugoslav women.
What archives did you use ať minutes 12:45-13:01?
Just to clarify, we are not Slavic people, Russians were influenced by Bulgarian culture, but we do not share the same origin.
Fun fact: Tsar Boris the 3rd said to Hitler that If he sends his army to the eastern front its like giving the Russians another army.
Tsar Boris III never said such thing. What is the source of your information?
@@tervel2231 He said it during his Last meeting to Berlin, right before he got poisoned... That was the main reason as to why he was poisoned
@@Габриел-у5э He said it to Ribbentrop, back in 1942:
bg.wikiquote.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_III
"My people fight only on the Balkans, where our ethnic lands lie. We can't fight on other fronts or in Africa. If our army is sent to the Volga, it will switch to the Russian side together with the military orchestra." (reply to the question of the Reich's foreign minister Von Ribbentrop, during their meeting in Berlin in the summer of 1942, about the sending of Bulgarian forces to the Eastern Front or in support of Rommel in Africa, which the tsar rejected)
On that same meeting, he reportedly also refused to send 1,500 Bulgarian volunteers to the Eastern Front and said that his foreign policy motto is "Always with Germany, never against Russia".
@@NikeBG Saying it to ribentrop is like saying it to Hitler though
You should do documentaries about the democratisation of ex-fascist states such as Germany, Italy, Greece etc.
@@georgieboy2203 Jewification*
@@cv4809 Piss off
Why are you including Greece as an example? They were occupied by the Germans, not allied to them
@@Edmonton-of2ec Greece was a Fascist Dictatorship before the war as well under Metaxas.
Ever thought of doing one on Ana Pauker? There was a relatively new bio of her which calls into doubt that she was a real Stalinist
It would be interested to make video about communist Yugoslavia during cold war.
We will
Surly. Because we were not part of Soviet block, after 1948. Until Stalin death we were not in good relations with Soviet Union. Since Cominform made resolution against Tito and Yugoslavia, many Stalin suporters were imprisoned on Goli Otok, island in present day Croatia. After that we were more open to West block. There is a lot of things to write about that...
Also interesting things would be also partition of Free Zone of Trieste between Yugoslavia and Italy.
And inter ethnic relations, between especially Serbs and Croats, and also between Serbs and Albanians in present day Kosovo (which status is still disputed).
For next,will be nice to talk abbaut montain armed resistance from Romania against comunist regime.
Please, please, get your facts together! National "Liberation" Party is, in fact "National Liberal Party"...
In all honesty though, while Romania sure suffered quite violent occupation and Sovietisation, Bulgaria has always been semi-Russian - almost like Russia's foreign half-colony. So for Bulgarians going the same path Russia went sure shouldn't have been a surprise.
Buddy soviets killed children, man (civilians), r*ped woman, stole... i dont see how that's going smoothly, and jsyk, we aint a russian half-colony
1:34 This man looks creeppy af
What happened to the German POWs in the western Allied countries and in Yugoslavia?
I don't know about Yugoslavia, but the western Allies had the lowest numbers
of POW deaths and were quickest when it came to sending them home.
The Soviets used Eastern Europe the same way as the aliens in Independence Day used other planets before they showed up in the skies of Earth. Had they have won the Cold War, they would have strip mined the rest of Europe economically before doing it to the rest of the world. The state would have truly withered.
America: No 😂😂😂😂😂😂
America is just one Romano-Jewish project , weapon , bastion , fuse ... ~340 000 000 Rominized/Latinized wh*rish survived abortions , of half-breed mongrels , which the Roman/Italian ancestral elite ruling "america" and "the west"( haha ha ) to use to conquer("unite") and "integrate"\asimilate( Romanize/"Latinize" the world . ... But , nothing is over wet .. BulgArian/PreSlavic hegemony - Roman/Latin assimilation and cultural and economical genocid = retribution(reciprocity). ... Накрая дори и Ватикана ще пише и говори на български( "църковно-славянски"\"руски") . .. Мръсна римско-еврейска("латинска"\"западна") к*рвенска , васална , маргинална , колониална низша племенна гной
What were those 2 countries thinking when they invaded Russia? Romania has unde 100 small tanks. Russia had 25000, and made thousands more. Like, wtf were those leaders thinking, attacking Russia!
There big brother from Austria said that after win theyl get many goods, after Germany of course. They was in one alliance called Axis.
What happend in Romania then resembles what's hapening in US today btw !
What a coincidence!!!
Thanks
Soviet Union was based deal with it haters
Ty for let us down guys I'm Frome Romania
5:49 Romania 🇷🇴
Weird how a lot of things said here are being repeated in the USA.
i.e. Communism is popular in the cities. There's others but that one sticks out in mind.
Very scary my man! May God protect us from these evil forces.
Great episode but a couple of inaccuracies regarding Bulgaria.
First, it is incorrect to say that Bulgaria was "allied" with Germany - the country was forced into submission by threat of use of force. German troops had crossed the Danube and entered northern Bulgaria when Bulgaria gave in to the threats and signed an agreement with Germany. I do not think that you could call this an "alliance".
Second, it is not true that the last resistance to the communists died with Petkov in 1947. There was a strong guerrilla movement numbering in the tens of thousand fighting against the communists. It continued a sustained and organised armed resistance up until 1958, i.e. for more than 10 years. This guerrilla movement (called goryani or goryanstvo) was largely undiscussed during the communist dictatorship because it did not fit the wrong narrative that Bulgarians "welcomed" communists.
There are wonderful recent works on the subject by Bulgarian historians who studied communist archives and interviewed participants in the armed struggle. It will take some time before these studies trickle down to English-language sources.
Edit: and to add, Bulgarians definitely do not have "common ancestry" with Russians. Some very limited language similarities and that's all. Bulgarian is as different from Russian as Spanish is from English.
In Romania, the vilifying of the PNT was quite easy because the party itself made a historical mistake. In the per-war years they signed a non-aggression treaty with the Iron Guard, the fascist para-military organization (the later Legion of the Holy Arch-angels led by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu). So labeling them as friends of the Nazis wasn't exactly difficult. Also, the Bulgars aren't exactly a Slavic nation, they are predominantly Turkic, only they lost their original language and adopted a Slavic language that is very similar to Russian, mostly for religious reasons,
Where do you guys taking your information? The "switching of languages" is ridiculous. The "Turkic" Bulgarians didn't adopt a Slavic language - Proto-Bulgarian is the source of Slavic languages, along with the alphabet. You should really do some research on anthropology, linguistics and history. Church Slavonic is a ruse by the Russians to obfuscate the real origin of the language, as it doesn't seem imperious enough to get language and religion from such a (currently) small state.
@@nihil1234 Sure. And the Dacians built the pyramids and there are tunnels under the Carpathians which the Aliens used, by the way, did you know that Jesus was Romanian?. Also Hungarian language comes from Sumerian, it's a version of the Etruscan and it's also closely related to both Japanese and all the Native American languages... Every East-European nation has it's crazy mythology that "proves" that they are the most ancient, most important, most powerful and so on. And all these mythologies have their prophets, there are conferences and events that take them seriously, a crapload of books written on these topics and a significant number of people who believe them because that makes them feel good about themselves So far serious scientists, linguists, anthropologists, historians take these theories about as seriously as the flat Earth theory or Chemtrail, or any of the Qanon bullshit.
@@ferencercseyravasz7301 That was very spirited, a total kneeslapper! Now all that remains is for you to show me the works of all these reputable academics and scientists with their genetics studies and linguistics works. I'm sure they'll defend your point. I sure can. That's not some hidden esoteric information - you just need to get your head out of the pyramid and do a bit of research. Please enlighten me on how disproving make-believe genealogy and outdated propaganda equates flat-earthers. I'm waiting.
A Tatar speaking Slavonic and writing in Moon runes
@@nihil1234 Nope. There are several things that I'm not willing to do. One of them is arguing with ultra-nationalist mythologists. It's a bit like arguing with a Jehovah's Witness, exhausting and fruitless I wrote my comment above to give a counter argument not to you but to those people in distant lands who may read this. Another thing that I'm not going to do is to do your research for you. But I'm going to give you a hint: mixing up genetics and linguistics is the most telltale sign of an amateur.
@@ferencercseyravasz7301 1)There are many studies on Bulgarian genetics that disprove firmly any turkic origins.
2)The so called Old church slavonic was developed in Bulgaria in 9th century. It is 100% Old Bulgarian. It was used by all slavic churches and it is the language most slavic languages developed from. The current Church slavonic is 95% Middle Bulgarian spoken from 12th to 16th century.
3)Bulgaria has a Patriach from 919, Russia from 1596. So who got religion and language from who?
Since you are clearly a professional have a quick read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic#First_Bulgarian_Empire
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Orthodox_Church#Autocephaly_and_Patriarchate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians
Naive move (speaking about Groza's promise to the west for free elections in Romania) ... really .. hahhahahahahhaahahhahah ... ever heard about the conference of Yalta ?
Do Albania and Yugoslavia next!!
1944 😭😭😭
After finishing reading all of your comments (and opinions...). I understand that some of you guys, don't know some historical facts.... Romanias provinces ,wanted(since 1600's) to finnaly unite(and gather under one flag, after several centuries of staying apart, because some of the major European powers had more to gain if the Romanian speaking provinces were divided). Thus, because the romainian people finnaly wanted to make a single country, they (the political class of that time-witch many of them where just mere puppets of other bigger powers...)tryed to make the unification possible, by making alliances (that was the only way possible, at that point in history... unfortunately)... And after the first World War, Romania was an ally of France (thus an ally of Russia, too)... but because (after begging for support from her allies to help her fight the axis) was mocked, and at gatherings in Paris some of the allied representatives told Romanian prime-minister that his country (or people desire of unity) ISN'T as important as helping Greece(witch gave western allies control over Mediterranean sea, thus say that a united Romania wasn't a priority).... But if they (the western allies) had chose to keep their support for Romania, they would have denied nazi Germany the access to petrol and gas(witch drove the nazi army for so long and fuelled their tanks, warships and U-boats....), thus denying Germany the thrust much-needed for their Blitz campaign (and they couldn't continue to conquer as easily France.... and they had stop after the Poland campaign. But it seems that the colonial ideas(and thinking at the time) were the deciding factor witch made Romainia to "accept" the "proposal" of Germany (and we payed the price for that, not only in lands lost, but in the many lives lost in the war..)
. Romania lost as many, if not more soldiers than Italy. Thus making Romania's casualties of war reaching over 1.2 million casualties ,making it second to German's troops lost. But after Romania switched sides, (and shortening the war by an considerable amount, and saving many more casualties of war) the allies (witch whom we begged at first to keep their word as allies....) now because we turned our backs on Nazi Germany (and started to fight them, helping the Russian's), ordered Romania's army(from a number or 600k of soldiers) to send 350k(and the majority of officers) to Siberia, thus sending their own troops to be executed, while the rest of them had to keep fighting towards West, towards Berlin.... Then, as compensation we lost Moldova and the other lands witch now some of you guys say that Romania, stole-but it was the other way around (at that time in history those lands were majority Romanian, and the people just wanted to unite finnaly under one flag as one nation witch spoke the same language....)