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As I'm the guy in the film (the good looking one with the hair) I'd like to thank you for an interesting outsiders view, if you are in London please pop by and visit with us. I can confirm there is no taper to the staff, we can reverse the staff and use the other end without any problems. We train mainly with 6 foot staff, but these are technically too short, 7 or 8 foot are easy to manage, but not easy to buy or move on public transport. And yes, we are different, but we all do a lot of the same things.
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3:20 No, the quarterstaff is supposed to be equally thick throughout its length. Some modern training staves might be tapered at one end to fit a spear-head or other polearm-head, but that's a design flaw deliberately included for the sake of convenience. A historically accurate quarterstaff would be balanced exactly at the centre, and have the same diameter end-to-end.
In Portugal we have something similar, called "Jogo do Pau," it's origin story is that of a shepperd's martial art, the bo is just their walking stick. If first gained notoriety during WW1, as they had better than average bayonet skills, so the British kept pushing them towards the front line. Not that it did any good, there were high casualties. The staff art itself re-emerged around fifteen years ago, when they tried to make it look more Eastern, you know, for marketing. It didn't work I think, but there are some cool videos of it on here.
I second this! People always think of Asia when it comes to martial arts but Europe (famously Germany, Italy, and Poland) has some very interesting martial arts!
@@AcadianBacon8 Swordfinghting no matter what country of origin is very much skill-based, the people who think you can win with pure brute force are stupid.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 yep the german linage teaches a lot on dealing with those types or “buffalo” as they are referred too in Manuel’s, i love fighting them… they stab themselves for me ;)
Fundamentals of fighting is to seek advantage and a reach advantage is the most defensive & offensive minded approach. Once you get into close range, then a middle grip on the bo let’s you deliver successive blows quicker. Schola Gladitoria has at least one video on the spear and the various holds on the weapon that shows the versatility of pole weapons in general for short all the way to long range. The fact that the upper block here & in kobudo involves holding the pole in the middle shows the utility in countering, but in the mid range you can equally threaten a strike on either side of the pole or a tsuki, so the default hold in kobodu is a good place to train day to day but just as kata give a full range of possible solutions and in actual fights you must select the one that works best, so too, in bo (or spear, nunti bo, naginata, etc) starting at longest range in a fight wouldn’t be a bad idea.
@Cameron Webster i mean we can use a stick. or broom in place of a staff the principles are the same , a spear is definitely deadlier , you have a good point
@@oldschoolkarate-5o I think staff will be more popular for traveller, monk... especially poor people, like farmer I guess? Staff is easier to craft or preserve than metal weapons. Just break a kinda big stick then cut it a bit and you have a stick
"All martial arts become very similar at the end" - SO true. I did Uechi Ryu for years, modern fencing, HEMA, I'm an avid boxing fan (never practiced), and the more I learn about each of them, the more they're all really the same. I think the differences really come in at the front end (the "broad strokes" so to speak - strategy, stances, how a fist is held, etc.) and in the rules for competitive sports. In other words, the differences feel really superficial at best, and artificial at worst.
Let’s complete the bo (staff) set with Chinese Gun shu!! This may be too off topic, but there are some cool Indigenous, Polynesian (Maori), & African martial arts you should check out
As an instructor of English martial arts- in our club we focus on longsword, backsword, sword & buckler and quarter staff (primarily). It is the English manner to hold the quarterstaff towards one end of the staff. There are three staffs represented in the English martial arts: a short staff which is proportionately like a walking stick, a quarterstaff which is often around 8' long and a longstaff which can be up to 15' long. The primary sources for staff fighting in England come from historical treatises such as George Silver's Paradoxes of Defence and Zachary Wyldes treatise. The club you are reviewing here doesn't utilize proper protective gear whilst training and this is an anomaly among the greater HEMA community. Typically we wear fencing masks and gloves for controlled drilling and additional padded jackets for sparring. Thanks for the review as I am often interested in seeing the perspectives of other practitioners from other disciplines.
It seems, that english users of quarterstaff sometimes also use german Manuals about ,Halbe Stange' by Joachim Meyer, Hector Paulus Mair or ....Pauernfeindt.
@@TudorFencing : l only noted that SOME , not all clubs also use german treatises, It seems, that in my country the Thirty Years War and the switch afterwards from Renaissance to Baroque caused a decline in traditional martial arts.
I would LOVE IT if you reacted to "Akademia Szermierzy - Fior di Battaglia (medieval longsword techniques)", for a glimpse at Italian medieval martial arts. It actually recreates the movements found in old manuscripts!
HEMA tends to be focused on all aspects of armed fighting from the weapons usage to grappling and boxing to dealing with fully armoured opponents. With a nice complement of sneaky beaky tricks
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My great-great-grandfather was a shepherd. To pass the time, they would train staff-fighting (120 years ago). He actually used those skills a few times. My grandfather still remembers the few moves he was taught as a child.
I practice both HEMA and Karate, and I can tell you that we do have forms in HEMA, but they're not practiced in the same way The old masters like Meyer, Fiore, Talhoffer, etc. teach the forms and show them in their writings, but specifically tell you not to stay in one for too long. You should know the form and how to flow from one to the other, but use them more as snapshots of a fight and not a static position. I hope to get a better camera soon and show more sparring on my channel.
Also, these staves may be tapered at the ends so they can fit heads for spears, pollaxes, halberds, etc. The quarterstaff I have is the same thickness the whole length, but some training spears we have are tapered at the end so we can put rubber heads on them for training other weapons.
Traditional English quarterstaff can be quite different to Japanese and other Asian style staff techniques. Mostly due to the quarterstaff (more often) being longer, heavier, and more stiff while most Asians staves are typically (but not always) shorter, thinner, lighter, and more flexible. So while there can be many similarities, there are a lot of techniques that wouldn't necessarily translate well from one weapon to the other. As far as "poking" or trusting moves, there are a lot. A famous historic weapons master named George Silver who wrote his famous "Paradoxes of Defence" in 1599, emphasized thrusting attacks almost exclusively, relegating swinging/striking attacks almost exclusively to the head. "And here is to be noted, that if he fights well, the staff man strikes but at the head, and thrusts presently under at the body. And if a blow is first made, a thrust follows, and if a thrust is first made, a blow follows, and in doing of any of them, the one breeds the other. So that however any of these six weapons shall carry his ward strongly to defend the first, he shall be too far in space to defend the second, whether it be blow or thrust." - George Silver
Have you seen any videos of British stage combat rehearsals? When I was at drama school, we learned different forms of stage combat (with or without weapons). I think it would be interesting for you to watch if you haven’t! This video kind of reminded me of some fight scenes I’ve seen in UK theatre.
Were your stage combat classes taught by My Jonathan Waller by any chance? Or the European Historical Combat Guild? They developed a stage combat teaching syllabus based on historically accurate techniques. I think that approach is becoming more and more common.
@@hughK321 I studied abroad at LAMDA, but unfortunately I don't remember the details of the stage combat training (it's been a few years). However, I saw a lot of Shakespeare and other classical plays in London that may have used the stage combat you are referring to!
I think this art probably became a thing because for a very long time most Soldiers in Western Europe and the Med, would have been Spearman, or Pikeman. Pike and Spearman formations were the standard troop unit, Good against Horses, and infantry and good for holding lines. So along with Sword and Sabre fighting (what would become Fencing) and Archery , Staff and Spear fighting would have become a common and pressure tested skill/tactic even with people who were not Soldiers. Makes sense that this, Archery and Fencing have deep roots here.
lindybeige is the guy to watch for all this ... quarter staff comes from the fact you quarter the timber to make the staff, also look at 9ft fousan pole of wing chun
Huh, I was never truly interested in European martial arts but there are a few similarities between HEMA, or in this case Quarterstaff, and Kobudo techniques. Thanks, Yusuke
I may be primarily a Karate practitioner (like you) and a Kali-Arnis practitioner but there are elements of HEMA that fascinate me, particularly this, sabre fencing, and the longsword. In Kali-Arnis, we have our own way holding the staff (we call it the "bangkaw") as well as a spear fighting form (which we call "sibat"). Some Kali-Arnis practitioners here in Baguio have gone on to practicing HEMA using their Kali-Arnis experience as a foundation, in fact. At the end of the day, and as you said in this video, Martial Arts are one in the sense that we have many similarities overall. 🙏🇵🇭🥋
Purely speculation and a question; I'm not trying to put this forth as a theory. Seeing how the Spanish influenced language, names, and food in the Philippines, could it be that Kali-Arnis has incorporated some European techniques learned from the Spanish occupiers?
@@chrisinspaceVA Definitely possible, Sir. Though my Maestro said that, based on his studies/research, that there's more of an influence from 'Jugar Escrima' which is more Mexican in origin than Spanish. It's sort of like what you saw in the Mask of Zorro movie's training montage with Antonio Banderas and Anthony Hopkins.
There are a lot of sweet martial arts. From Pekiti Tirsia Kali to Haitian Machete fencing. There is also Bartistu, Colombian Grima, Zulu Stick Fighting and Canne de Combat.
If you're going to talk about Kali-Arnis... I'd like to bring your attention that there are styles other than Pekiti Tirsia worth noting. Particularly the one from our shared home region of Luzon and the style I and Mia are training under... Cinco Teros Baguio. Look it up here on TH-cam.. you'll find videos of mine and Mia's Grandmaster, Maestro Mayor Rolando Hong, doing demonstrations. Regards to Leian by the way. Since she blocked us and had gone her own way. God bless and Mabuhay. 🙏👊🥋🇵🇭
I practice aikido. There are Jo technique too. We don't take it by the middle but more similar to what they doing. I think the difference can come from training. BO is a two end stick but these is more like a spear with a blade. But we all use a stick to training. Perhaps watching Naginata could be interesting
Please check out "Bartitsu", a British martial arts combined with Japanese martial arts techniques. This was used by Sherlock Holmes, the famous fictitious detective, however Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote it as "Baritsu."
Should look into HEMA. I think you would find it interesting, especially techniques where you grip the blade (half-swording) and use the cross guard to beat the opponents armour.
When most people hear the words Martial Arts they tend to think the Asian Disciplines: Karate, Kung Fu, etc., but the term Martial Arts means any form of regimented system of combat regardless of any regional or ethnic origin. Martial Arts include French Savate, Russian Sambo, English and Italian Fencing, Marquis of Queensbury Boxing, even American Pro Wrestling (though that's more art than actual combat)
Thankl you for sharing and comparing, Yosuke Sensei! There are so many methods of the staff all over Europe, over centuries, or rather, over a whole millenium, answering to various cultures and military and combative developments of era and society. The difference to Okinawa bojutsu is that European systems are found described in dozens of manuals using text and illustration over almost 1000 years, while the first description of Okinawan Bojutsu using text and illustration is only from 1930. All else are just short mentionings in a few historical records merely mentioning that a bo existed or was used, or from an illustration without any description of how it was used. Also, the European staff was an integral weapon in what in Japan today would be called a "Sogo Bujutsu," or practical combat systems that integrate anys weapon as well as grappling, kicks and strikes. So, most of the older systems of the European staff use principles of "fencing." Finally, the corpus of combat manuals found in Europe deom the 11th to the 19th century is simply second to none in the whole world. Best regards and ganbatte!
One more thing: Your video preview picture is Paulus Hector Mair's short staff, a German method published between 1542-44. It described complex, polymorphic attack and counter scenarios and is unrelated to English quarterstaff both in content and era.
2.44 the leaning you mention and the European techniques seem to press. As if in Europe they want to force a defense in the front to set-up attack you can't defend elsewhere unless you are fast. But it might seem attack the front hard with weight to crush, or weaken in strength or ability to shift defense.-Ernie Moore Jr.
nice vidéo. Maybe you could take a look to Bataireacht for your next réaction vidéo. The Bataireacht is Irish stick fighting and is pretty unique in its approach. If you look for vidéos I recommend you to look to those to style, the Doyle stick fighting and the Antrim Bata. Irish stick fighting was very rare and secretive during the past décades, to the point of almost dying in Ireland. But fortunatly this fighting art survived thanks to the irish diaspora. The Doyle family style and the Antrim Bata style are the two most well known and spread.
I think the main difference is that Historical European Martial Arts are (hence the name) mostly reconstructed by old records. There might be a very old martial art that survived without being transformed in one of the modern western sport martial arts and uses old fashioned weapons, but they would not have been as wide spread and popular like the many martial arts in Asia with their continuous practice throughout the ages (even though they transformed as well with time, but I think they did so more fluently).
Sensei, I have a random question - I just started training in Chito-ryu a month ago. It’s an American karate school, but still traditional. I have terrible knees, one knee has even been completely surgically replaced. I chose this style because it isn’t too kick-crazy. 20 years of Taekwondo took its toll on me. Have you ever seen ANY karate practitioners who train but cannot do seiza? If so, what do they do when others are in that position?
Remember that the quarter staff and the back sword are the basis of pugilism, western boxing. The front thrust of the quarter staff is the basis for the jab and the straight thrust in boxing, the side strike with the quarter staff is the basis of the hook, the rising strike with the quarter staff is the origins of the uppercut. Empty hand fighting only become popular with the availability of gunpowder and firearms, before this time wrestling was the preferred method of unarmed combat you can still see Fechtbücher, fight manuals, reproduced with wrestling movies by Ott, a wrestling Master in the Austro-Hungarian Empire from the 15th century that resemble jujitsu scrolls from the age of the Samurai in Japan. There is only so many ways you can fight in armour. Up to the modern era masters of defence taught boxing and wrestling as well as the sword, cudgle and quarter staff in a system way, gradings were taken in the public square and pupils of the Master could be challenged by members of the public in a Ring, if the pupils put up a good Show and had a victory he was able to graduated to be come a Master of defence in the guild. Members of the public passed a bucket around and gave coins in appreciation of their performance , hence the name the prize Ring. Before the Marquis of Queensberry Rules, in the bare knuckled era under the London Prize Ring rules limited wrestling was allowed, cross buttock throw, Trips, leg hanks. Just as Shotokan Karate has the 9 throws shown in the karate manual Karate ni kohan, rairly taught in a modern Karate dojo due to lack of wrestling/ judo mats to practice safety. The different emphasis between English Boxing and French Boxing/ Savate is the lack of protein in the French diet compared to the English, known historically as " Rostbif" because of the amount of beef in the diet of the English the French with a less protein rich diet used their legs more from observing the fighting methods of the Basques and sailors watching street fighting methods of natives in France's overseas Empire. In Scotland the Scots traditional unarmed combat form of wrestling was called Backhold Cumberland Wrestling, the historical use before it became a sport was if you lost your weapon you closed with your opponent encircled his shoulders, pinning his right arm against his body then throwing him to the ground to be dispatched with a weapon or kicked to death on the ground. The medieval knights of old had an apprenticeship of 15 years, taken from their family at 7, they learned how to use a sword, bow, spear, mace, lance, axe, how to fight on foot and on horse back, and the manner to display among their peers or superiors. The "Black Death" and the rise of the merchant class in town caused the death of this class as wide spread availibility of gunpowder and firearms, removed the states need for them, an hour instructional of a peasant in how to use a firearm verses 15 year expensive knightly apprenticeship. No contest, the same economics later in the 19th centuary caused the destruction of the Samurai Class in Japan.
iv just come across this video, and i love it. quick thing, europe has a few hand to hand unarmed fighting styles, id love you to check our a 'ringen' vide0 (ringen is like war wrestling), but most hema (historical european martial arts) are based around weapons. in my mind thats the biggest difference between western and european martial arts. european martial arts where all weapon based, so as those weapons died out or violence was less prevalent less people learned them. where as eastern martial arts are primarily unarmed so they are always as effective as they were hundreds of years ago. id love to see you check more european stuff out.
I would like to see you react to Filipino Kali. I met the Grandmaster on the plan on the way to Manila. He invited me to his Dojo to watch "his kids" work out. At the end he gave a demonstration.
Kali-Arnis practitioner here, under the Cinco Teros Baguio system. Shotokan was my original foundation and I still practice it alongside my Kali-Arnis. Definitely plenty of similarities between Karate and Kali-Arnis overall. They meld well together as Kobudo and Karate do. 🙏🥋
Earlier records of boxers with wrapped hands, in kilts, carved in stone, from Sumeria. In other words an ancient middle eastern people first recorded a form of boxing with safety gear. Literally thousands of year before Rome.
@@deejin25 and people say boxing is a “Yong” martial art. Boxing and wrestling are literally the oldest martial arts there are. Karate is maybe 250 years old.
@@Rubisco2510 Technically, if you really think about it, boxing and wrestling are older than the currently extant human species, and at least as old as primates, at that. Long before the ancestral hominids learned tool, and therefore, weapon usage, the common ancestors of other apes and humans had five-fingered hands with opposable thumbs that they could grab, and therefore, wrestle with, and also curl into fists, and therefore, box with.
@@Vlad_Tepes_III Gorillas "punch" when fighting, but their palms are the shape of human foot-soles, so they can't make a real fist, their fingers are too short.
A quarter staff is not a bo staff and thus the art of using it is different. while comparable in some ways, the use of a quarterstaff is more like having dance partner in that they have much more mass and your body needs to move and stand in ways that respect that mass. These staves seem rather light, quarterstaves are supposed to be about 7 feet long, and an inch and a quarter thick mine weighs almost 5 lbs.
It looks like this particular group is just using commercially available Japanese bō, which also helps with their smaller practice space. You can find videos of other groups (with larger practice spaces or outdoors) using up to 9-foot (about 2.7m) staffs. Some of the quarterstaff tradition goes back to peasants training for polearms (war spears, halberds, etc.) without actually having the true weapons available for regular training.
I feel the family of spear, staff, polearm methods tend to inform each other. Within Europe and now across the world, especially over long periods of time. Ideas and details will change with successful adoption of the new, and perhaps will tend to grow together. This will tend to evolve a sport or exercise form that needs to be tested in combat against the lessons of combat. In the past, the survivors were using the best methods or were the most adaptable. While contests can reveal limitations, I feel this may still result in false lessons being learned. Exposure to the quarterstaff in decades of Hollywood stuntmen inventing moves for films from the 1920s on may also colour how people perceive things, though the primary sources are illustrated books, as tends to be the case all over the world.
it is funny how similar staff fighting styles can be until your realize there's only so many ways you can fight with long stick so naturally due to human biomechanics there is going to be a lot of overlap lol i think the main difference for sure is in quarterstaff they try to use it more like a spear and take full advantage of the weapons reach.
Hey, interesting breakdown. If you do ever come to the UK you are welcome to my club. My background is Aikido but I teach classes focused on a variety of martial arts weapons. We also do weapons sparring if you fancy giving it a try 😊
1:10 long side out versus starting in the middle. The long side out looks as samurai drawn sword from the beginning. Anyone with long side out is doing one-on-one. Or attack in one general direction--Forward. A monk or Okinawan who holds in the middle is positioned for attack from behind or side and behind.Europeans are used to single combat or all combatants in front [MySayEMJ]. Okinawan staff is from usually attacked from multiple sides..in Europe the group attackers must stand spread-out but in front--highwayman robber wants you to see numbers so you give-up without a fight and surrender your currency like a toll. A group will have archers and no chance to hit them so only have to face what is in front of you if at all.-Ernie Moore Jr. I No_Know
A lot of what passes for uniquely European inventions in martial arts are recorded much earlier. Sumeria had boxing with handwraps thousands of years before it shows up in Europe, wrestling is recorded in the tombs of Beni Hassan in Egypt, along with stick fighting, and a sort of stick and forearm guard fighting. The Ancient Sumerians had an organized military that employed shields, swords, spears, bowmen, axes staffs etc. No doubt the wealthier nobles with their wealth and leisure time trained in these skills and passed them down. Africa (Yes Egypt is African) had several kingdoms with warrior classes, organized grappling and weapons combat. Boxing was NOT developed first in Europe. White professors with Phd.s have recorded the Sumerian boxing tradition. In fact their poses resemble Okinawan karate with the fists in positions with the closed fist palm up This isn't to say by the the Europeans developed their own brand of it. But they for sure didn't invent them.
you would be amazed at all the old books written on swordfighting and using other weapons. the had it down to a science. any one today woud be hard pressed to fight some one from those times.
I don't know if you will read this but you talk about Karate taking the bo by the center portion while many arts take the staff from one end or the other. I've pondered this many times and have a theory based on the lack of speared weapons in the Okinawan systems. what is your thought on this idea.
As a practitioner of european staff weapons, this channel is not my favorite as i dont think it represents it well. My suggestion is the "HROARR" channel doing 'Meyer quarterstaff,' a Renaissance German style. They have sparring footage as well as detailed explanations for the use of the weapon. But yes, one of the big differences is that european styles stick close to their use as spears and halberds and so use an extended grip very heavily. Grabbing and using the staff from the middle like in Bo use only happens when you want to close and grapple the opponent. And as for the staves themselves, a lot of them are uniform in thickness but there are jo type styles in Europe that i practice that use a tapered stick. That is because they are coppiced sticks from trees that have a natural taper going thick at one end to thin at the other end, almost giving a sword type balance to the stick. Although that same taper will be found on long pole-weapons too for balance and weight considerations. Enjoyed the video and would love to hear more about eastern perspectives on western staff styles. Cheers!
Necessity is the mother of all invention... obviously the same as Japan, in the Uk we had our heavily armed Knights elite classes with their iron weapons, horses etc but unlike Japan the peasant classes by law had to train and fight with the longbow and quarterstaff. Your wooden Okinawan weapons were never farm implements that the peasants adapted into weapons, they were Chinese imported weapons yes? If you look at fencing or any battlefield art they all use the forward, back and cat stance. The particular long hold your seeing on this film is just one of many grips used on a quarterstaff. Some had iron ends but not really necessary, some had a small tapered end so a spearpoint could be socketed, all using the same technique. The longbow men even fought with wooden malls which to you and me were like wooden sledgehammers to finish off a dismounted knight. Europe has many martial arts including Savate where Gigo Funakoshi got his kizami zuki jab, mawashi geri, ushiro geri and kekomi Geri etc even the game of darts was a training aid for throwing precision. The end of log was used for the board using the rings of the grain to score. The original dart was a throwing weapon. Baden Powell the founder of the scouting movement had the scouts training to fight with staffs as well as its other uses. Checkout Irish Sheleighly stick fighting, although not a quarterstaff it still uses the same footwork. Do your research, it’s very interesting.
I think the biggest difference is the Japanese type of martial arts are a little more holistic. You learn all about the bow and ki, and how to defend yourself without the bow. With the European its mostly the mechanics of the weapon. At least that's how it seems to me.
I've got a little recommendation for you: th-cam.com/video/Uja1TNNNko4/w-d-xo.html This video is a quarterstaff sparring video showing the use of the staff how it was written down by the German Renaissance fencing master Joachim Meyer. I should also note that this version is already neutered for safety reason. There's no striking to the head allowed and all 360° strikes are forbidden. Historical European staff fencing is pretty sick...
Terry Brown is the founder of that school , I think. He mentions in his book that he trained many years in Kung Fu. I think he calls that system "the beggars art" or something like that.
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Yusuke, I suggest you to check out the sicilian staff and knife system "bastone e coltello siciliano"
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I think you would enjoy checking out Fiore's system. A a shotokanka I felt very comfortable with it and was a great way for me to get into HEMA.
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I can confirm there is no taper to the staff, we can reverse the staff and use the other end without any problems.
We train mainly with 6 foot staff, but these are technically too short, 7 or 8 foot are easy to manage, but not easy to buy or move on public transport.
And yes, we are different, but we all do a lot of the same things.
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Cool video man!
Would a quarterstaff typically have an implement on the end or us it just a staff?
Would a quarterstaff typically have an implement on the end or us it just a staff?
The tip staff had metal caps at each end
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No, the quarterstaff is supposed to be equally thick throughout its length. Some modern training staves might be tapered at one end to fit a spear-head or other polearm-head, but that's a design flaw deliberately included for the sake of convenience. A historically accurate quarterstaff would be balanced exactly at the centre, and have the same diameter end-to-end.
And quarterstaff means how grip it in Scottland use also halfstaff holds the stick from half
In Portugal we have something similar, called "Jogo do Pau," it's origin story is that of a shepperd's martial art, the bo is just their walking stick. If first gained notoriety during WW1, as they had better than average bayonet skills, so the British kept pushing them towards the front line. Not that it did any good, there were high casualties.
The staff art itself re-emerged around fifteen years ago, when they tried to make it look more Eastern, you know, for marketing. It didn't work I think, but there are some cool videos of it on here.
" 1917 Portuguese troops are sent to the New Forest in Britain, to help with a timber shortage". kill the trees with your bajonets :-D
@@bryde1968 Can you be straightforward please? They just cut timber, eh... Okay.
Also juego del palo from canarian
Excellent weapon martial arts...
@@tonymontana3949 I had no idea, same name for the sport even! I wonder where these staff arts came from... It's a shame they're so underground.
@@didjitalone9544 the staff techniques evolved into great sword techniques from what i hear
You should look into HEMA. Their swordfighting approach definitely has similarities as well as noticeable contrasts with katana practitioner.
I second this! People always think of Asia when it comes to martial arts but Europe (famously Germany, Italy, and Poland) has some very interesting martial arts!
@@AcadianBacon8 Swordfinghting no matter what country of origin is very much skill-based, the people who think you can win with pure brute force are stupid.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 pure brute force isnt the key but can help you in battle
This is HEMA.
Historical European Martial Arts.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 yep the german linage teaches a lot on dealing with those types or “buffalo” as they are referred too in Manuel’s, i love fighting them… they stab themselves for me ;)
Hi, I think that's HEMA you should check out other weapons too (Y) it's interesting to see the difference between European and Oriental martial arts
It is HEMA. The footwork is from European fencing. He should check out the wrestling and boxing arts in hema as well.
Fundamentals of fighting is to seek advantage and a reach advantage is the most defensive & offensive minded approach. Once you get into close range, then a middle grip on the bo let’s you deliver successive blows quicker. Schola Gladitoria has at least one video on the spear and the various holds on the weapon that shows the versatility of pole weapons in general for short all the way to long range. The fact that the upper block here & in kobudo involves holding the pole in the middle shows the utility in countering, but in the mid range you can equally threaten a strike on either side of the pole or a tsuki, so the default hold in kobodu is a good place to train day to day but just as kata give a full range of possible solutions and in actual fights you must select the one that works best, so too, in bo (or spear, nunti bo, naginata, etc) starting at longest range in a fight wouldn’t be a bad idea.
i think the staff is the most practical off all the ancient weapons
I think you're forgetting about the spear literally called the king of all weapons
@Cameron Webster i mean we can use a stick. or broom in place of a staff the principles are the same , a spear is definitely deadlier , you have a good point
@@oldschoolkarate-5o I think staff will be more popular for traveller, monk... especially poor people, like farmer I guess? Staff is easier to craft or preserve than metal weapons. Just break a kinda big stick then cut it a bit and you have a stick
The spear is the king of traditional weapons
@Artificial Algorithm if the spear is “king” , then the staff is the” prince”👍🏽💪🏽👊🏽🙏🏽
"All martial arts become very similar at the end" - SO true. I did Uechi Ryu for years, modern fencing, HEMA, I'm an avid boxing fan (never practiced), and the more I learn about each of them, the more they're all really the same. I think the differences really come in at the front end (the "broad strokes" so to speak - strategy, stances, how a fist is held, etc.) and in the rules for competitive sports. In other words, the differences feel really superficial at best, and artificial at worst.
Let’s complete the bo (staff) set with Chinese Gun shu!!
This may be too off topic, but there are some cool Indigenous, Polynesian (Maori), & African martial arts you should check out
As an instructor of English martial arts- in our club we focus on longsword, backsword, sword & buckler and quarter staff (primarily). It is the English manner to hold the quarterstaff towards one end of the staff. There are three staffs represented in the English martial arts: a short staff which is proportionately like a walking stick, a quarterstaff which is often around 8' long and a longstaff which can be up to 15' long. The primary sources for staff fighting in England come from historical treatises such as George Silver's Paradoxes of Defence and Zachary Wyldes treatise. The club you are reviewing here doesn't utilize proper protective gear whilst training and this is an anomaly among the greater HEMA community. Typically we wear fencing masks and gloves for controlled drilling and additional padded jackets for sparring. Thanks for the review as I am often interested in seeing the perspectives of other practitioners from other disciplines.
It seems, that english users of quarterstaff sometimes also use german Manuals about ,Halbe Stange' by Joachim Meyer, Hector Paulus Mair or ....Pauernfeindt.
@@brittakriep2938 Our club only uses Zachary Wylde with additional tactical concepts from George Silver.
@@TudorFencing : l only noted that SOME , not all clubs also use german treatises, It seems, that in my country the Thirty Years War and the switch afterwards from Renaissance to Baroque caused a decline in traditional martial arts.
Well done excellent material keep learning adapting realize you make it and there are no limits and you can achieve anything all the martial Journey 👍
Wing Chun staff is also held in that style where it's uncentered and closer towards the back end of the staff
I would LOVE IT if you reacted to "Akademia Szermierzy - Fior di Battaglia (medieval longsword techniques)", for a glimpse at Italian medieval martial arts. It actually recreates the movements found in old manuscripts!
HEMA tends to be focused on all aspects of armed fighting from the weapons usage to grappling and boxing to dealing with fully armoured opponents. With a nice complement of sneaky beaky tricks
I am a recent subscriber and I have found your instructional style very informative and helpful, and you are also humble and respectful. I enjoy your content very much, and I look forward to learning more from your videos! Thank you!
My great-great-grandfather was a shepherd. To pass the time, they would train staff-fighting (120 years ago). He actually used those skills a few times.
My grandfather still remembers the few moves he was taught as a child.
I practice both HEMA and Karate, and I can tell you that we do have forms in HEMA, but they're not practiced in the same way
The old masters like Meyer, Fiore, Talhoffer, etc. teach the forms and show them in their writings, but specifically tell you not to stay in one for too long. You should know the form and how to flow from one to the other, but use them more as snapshots of a fight and not a static position.
I hope to get a better camera soon and show more sparring on my channel.
Also, these staves may be tapered at the ends so they can fit heads for spears, pollaxes, halberds, etc. The quarterstaff I have is the same thickness the whole length, but some training spears we have are tapered at the end so we can put rubber heads on them for training other weapons.
I think all martial artists should learn from everyone, " no one country has a monopoly on the sun or martial knowledge"
Traditional English quarterstaff can be quite different to Japanese and other Asian style staff techniques. Mostly due to the quarterstaff (more often) being longer, heavier, and more stiff while most Asians staves are typically (but not always) shorter, thinner, lighter, and more flexible.
So while there can be many similarities, there are a lot of techniques that wouldn't necessarily translate well from one weapon to the other.
As far as "poking" or trusting moves, there are a lot. A famous historic weapons master named George Silver who wrote his famous "Paradoxes of Defence" in 1599, emphasized thrusting attacks almost exclusively, relegating swinging/striking attacks almost exclusively to the head.
"And here is to be noted, that if he fights well, the staff man strikes but at the head, and thrusts presently under at the body. And if a blow is first made, a thrust follows, and if a thrust is first made, a blow follows, and in doing of any of them, the one breeds the other. So that however any of these six weapons shall carry his ward strongly to defend the first, he shall be too far in space to defend the second, whether it be blow or thrust." - George Silver
I'd like to see you do a review/view of Shang-Chi
Have you seen any videos of British stage combat rehearsals? When I was at drama school, we learned different forms of stage combat (with or without weapons). I think it would be interesting for you to watch if you haven’t! This video kind of reminded me of some fight scenes I’ve seen in UK theatre.
Were your stage combat classes taught by My Jonathan Waller by any chance? Or the European Historical Combat Guild? They developed a stage combat teaching syllabus based on historically accurate techniques. I think that approach is becoming more and more common.
@@hughK321 I studied abroad at LAMDA, but unfortunately I don't remember the details of the stage combat training (it's been a few years). However, I saw a lot of Shakespeare and other classical plays in London that may have used the stage combat you are referring to!
You could also check out "Bartitsu", which developed between 1898 and 1902 in England (according to wikipedia).
A mix of boxing canme de combata judo savate
I think this art probably became a thing because for a very long time most Soldiers in Western Europe and the Med, would have been Spearman, or Pikeman. Pike and Spearman formations were the standard troop unit, Good against Horses, and infantry and good for holding lines. So along with Sword and Sabre fighting (what would become Fencing) and Archery , Staff and Spear fighting would have become a common and pressure tested skill/tactic even with people who were not Soldiers. Makes sense that this, Archery and Fencing have deep roots here.
Morris dancing is also a UK martial art. It would be interesting to get a reaction to it.
There are some martial movements hidden in some of the dances but it’s pretty stylised. Those handkerchiefs are deadly mind you
@@jethrobradley7850 Its the use of cudgels, a bit like Malayan stick martial arts.
@@raymondandrews4136 That rings a bell. Pun intended :-)
lindybeige is the guy to watch for all this ... quarter staff comes from the fact you quarter the timber to make the staff, also look at 9ft fousan pole of wing chun
the quarterstaff is held at the last quarter, if held in the centre it is "half staffing".
Huh, I was never truly interested in European martial arts but there are a few similarities between HEMA, or in this case Quarterstaff, and Kobudo techniques. Thanks, Yusuke
I may be primarily a Karate practitioner (like you) and a Kali-Arnis practitioner but there are elements of HEMA that fascinate me, particularly this, sabre fencing, and the longsword.
In Kali-Arnis, we have our own way holding the staff (we call it the "bangkaw") as well as a spear fighting form (which we call "sibat"). Some Kali-Arnis practitioners here in Baguio have gone on to practicing HEMA using their Kali-Arnis experience as a foundation, in fact.
At the end of the day, and as you said in this video, Martial Arts are one in the sense that we have many similarities overall. 🙏🇵🇭🥋
Purely speculation and a question; I'm not trying to put this forth as a theory. Seeing how the Spanish influenced language, names, and food in the Philippines, could it be that Kali-Arnis has incorporated some European techniques learned from the Spanish occupiers?
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Definitely possible, Sir.
Though my Maestro said that, based on his studies/research, that there's more of an influence from 'Jugar Escrima' which is more Mexican in origin than Spanish. It's sort of like what you saw in the Mask of Zorro movie's training montage with Antonio Banderas and Anthony Hopkins.
Germany has a martial art called Kampfringen
The Bo is the same size they just use the Bo from a longer distance. I noticed that also. In India they use the Bo long and short. Silambam.
There are a lot of sweet martial arts. From Pekiti Tirsia Kali to Haitian Machete fencing. There is also Bartistu, Colombian Grima, Zulu Stick Fighting and Canne de Combat.
If you're going to talk about Kali-Arnis...
I'd like to bring your attention that there are styles other than Pekiti Tirsia worth noting.
Particularly the one from our shared home region of Luzon and the style I and Mia are training under... Cinco Teros Baguio.
Look it up here on TH-cam.. you'll find videos of mine and Mia's Grandmaster, Maestro Mayor Rolando Hong, doing demonstrations.
Regards to Leian by the way. Since she blocked us and had gone her own way.
God bless and Mabuhay.
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It’s much more like Yamanni/ Yamane ryu from Okinawa with more bo in front instead of holding it in thirds.
I practice aikido. There are Jo technique too. We don't take it by the middle but more similar to what they doing. I think the difference can come from training. BO is a two end stick but these is more like a spear with a blade. But we all use a stick to training. Perhaps watching Naginata could be interesting
Please check out "Bartitsu", a British martial arts combined with Japanese martial arts techniques. This was used by Sherlock Holmes, the famous fictitious detective, however Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote it as "Baritsu."
The bartitsu lab on youtube.
Looks like a type of HEMA. Longsword is the most popular type but it does cover multiple weapon types. I think you would find it interesting.
You should also check french and Portugal staff combat, very impressive stuff.
Should look into HEMA. I think you would find it interesting, especially techniques where you grip the blade (half-swording) and use the cross guard to beat the opponents armour.
Wing Chun staff is also tapered slightly so it is slightly thinner at 1 end and slightly thicker at the base
I'd love to see you work with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria) if you do visit the UK. That's one collab I would be 100% invested in.
When most people hear the words Martial Arts they tend to think the Asian Disciplines: Karate, Kung Fu, etc., but the term Martial Arts means any form of regimented system of combat regardless of any regional or ethnic origin. Martial Arts include French Savate, Russian Sambo, English and Italian Fencing, Marquis of Queensbury Boxing, even American Pro Wrestling (though that's more art than actual combat)
But the suplex slam subs are real strong
Thankl you for sharing and comparing, Yosuke Sensei!
There are so many methods of the staff all over Europe, over centuries, or rather, over a whole millenium, answering to various cultures and military and combative developments of era and society.
The difference to Okinawa bojutsu is that European systems are found described in dozens of manuals using text and illustration over almost 1000 years, while the first description of Okinawan Bojutsu using text and illustration is only from 1930. All else are just short mentionings in a few historical records merely mentioning that a bo existed or was used, or from an illustration without any description of how it was used.
Also, the European staff was an integral weapon in what in Japan today would be called a "Sogo Bujutsu," or practical combat systems that integrate anys weapon as well as grappling, kicks and strikes. So, most of the older systems of the European staff use principles of "fencing."
Finally, the corpus of combat manuals found in Europe deom the 11th to the 19th century is simply second to none in the whole world.
Best regards and ganbatte!
How do we get Yusuke and Matt Easton together? I think that would be a very fun collaboration. lol
the quarterstaf is a part of hema, traditional use of a truckload of different weapons and unarmed styles.
You should check out more aspects HEMA. European martial arts is very interesting. Qurterstaff seems to be closer in relation to jojutsu than bo.
One more thing: Your video preview picture is Paulus Hector Mair's short staff, a German method published between 1542-44. It described complex, polymorphic attack and counter scenarios and is unrelated to English quarterstaff both in content and era.
2.44 the leaning you mention and the European techniques seem to press. As if in Europe they want to force a defense in the front to set-up attack you can't defend elsewhere unless you are fast. But it might seem attack the front hard with weight to crush, or weaken in strength or ability to shift defense.-Ernie Moore Jr.
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nice vidéo. Maybe you could take a look to Bataireacht for your next réaction vidéo. The Bataireacht is Irish stick fighting and is pretty unique in its approach. If you look for vidéos I recommend you to look to those to style, the Doyle stick fighting and the Antrim Bata. Irish stick fighting was very rare and secretive during the past décades, to the point of almost dying in Ireland. But fortunatly this fighting art survived thanks to the irish diaspora. The Doyle family style and the Antrim Bata style are the two most well known and spread.
I think the main difference is that Historical European Martial Arts are (hence the name) mostly reconstructed by old records. There might be a very old martial art that survived without being transformed in one of the modern western sport martial arts and uses old fashioned weapons, but they would not have been as wide spread and popular like the many martial arts in Asia with their continuous practice throughout the ages (even though they transformed as well with time, but I think they did so more fluently).
Singlestick and quarterstaff was taught in boy scouts, fencing salle, stage combat, and P.E.
Sensei, I have a random question - I just started training in Chito-ryu a month ago. It’s an American karate school, but still traditional. I have terrible knees, one knee has even been completely surgically replaced. I chose this style because it isn’t too kick-crazy. 20 years of Taekwondo took its toll on me. Have you ever seen ANY karate practitioners who train but cannot do seiza? If so, what do they do when others are in that position?
Chitose Sensei was American?
Usually you would sit cross-legged with a straight back if possible, if seiza is too strenuous.
@@InGrindWeCrust2010 No, the karate school I train at is based in America, but it is Chito-ryu, the system Chitose founded in Okinawa.
Remember that the quarter staff and the back sword are the basis of pugilism, western boxing. The front thrust of the quarter staff is the basis for the jab and the straight thrust in boxing, the side strike with the quarter staff is the basis of the hook, the rising strike with the quarter staff is the origins of the uppercut. Empty hand fighting only become popular with the availability of gunpowder and firearms, before this time wrestling was the preferred method of unarmed combat you can still see Fechtbücher, fight manuals, reproduced with wrestling movies by Ott, a wrestling Master in the Austro-Hungarian Empire from the 15th century that resemble jujitsu scrolls from the age of the Samurai in Japan. There is only so many ways you can fight in armour. Up to the modern era masters of defence taught boxing and wrestling as well as the sword, cudgle and quarter staff in a system way, gradings were taken in the public square and pupils of the Master could be challenged by members of the public in a Ring, if the pupils put up a good Show and had a victory he was able to graduated to be come a Master of defence in the guild. Members of the public passed a bucket around and gave coins in appreciation of their performance , hence the name the prize Ring. Before the Marquis of Queensberry Rules, in the bare knuckled era under the London Prize Ring rules limited wrestling was allowed, cross buttock throw, Trips, leg hanks. Just as Shotokan Karate has the 9 throws shown in the karate manual Karate ni kohan, rairly taught in a modern Karate dojo due to lack of wrestling/ judo mats to practice safety. The different emphasis between English Boxing and French Boxing/ Savate is the lack of protein in the French diet compared to the English, known historically as " Rostbif" because of the amount of beef in the diet of the English the French with a less protein rich diet used their legs more from observing the fighting methods of the Basques and sailors watching street fighting methods of natives in France's overseas Empire. In Scotland the Scots traditional unarmed combat form of wrestling was called Backhold Cumberland Wrestling, the historical use before it became a sport was if you lost your weapon you closed with your opponent encircled his shoulders, pinning his right arm against his body then throwing him to the ground to be dispatched with a weapon or kicked to death on the ground. The medieval knights of old had an apprenticeship of 15 years, taken from their family at 7, they learned how to use a sword, bow, spear, mace, lance, axe, how to fight on foot and on horse back, and the manner to display among their peers or superiors. The "Black Death" and the rise of the merchant class in town caused the death of this class as wide spread availibility of gunpowder and firearms, removed the states need for them, an hour instructional of a peasant in how to use a firearm verses 15 year expensive knightly apprenticeship. No contest, the same economics later in the 19th centuary caused the destruction of the Samurai Class in Japan.
iv just come across this video, and i love it. quick thing, europe has a few hand to hand unarmed fighting styles, id love you to check our a 'ringen' vide0 (ringen is like war wrestling), but most hema (historical european martial arts) are based around weapons. in my mind thats the biggest difference between western and european martial arts. european martial arts where all weapon based, so as those weapons died out or violence was less prevalent less people learned them. where as eastern martial arts are primarily unarmed so they are always as effective as they were hundreds of years ago. id love to see you check more european stuff out.
I would like to see you react to Filipino Kali. I met the Grandmaster on the plan on the way to Manila. He invited me to his Dojo to watch "his kids" work out. At the end he gave a demonstration.
Kali-Arnis practitioner here, under the Cinco Teros Baguio system.
Shotokan was my original foundation and I still practice it alongside my Kali-Arnis.
Definitely plenty of similarities between Karate and Kali-Arnis overall. They meld well together as Kobudo and Karate do. 🙏🥋
Boxing is very very European. Earliest records of boxing was back in Ancient Rome.
Earlier records of boxers with wrapped hands, in kilts, carved in stone, from Sumeria. In other words an ancient middle eastern people first recorded a form of boxing with safety gear. Literally thousands of year before Rome.
@@deejin25 and people say boxing is a “Yong” martial art. Boxing and wrestling are literally the oldest martial arts there are. Karate is maybe 250 years old.
@@Rubisco2510 Technically, if you really think about it, boxing and wrestling are older than the currently extant human species, and at least as old as primates, at that. Long before the ancestral hominids learned tool, and therefore, weapon usage, the common ancestors of other apes and humans had five-fingered hands with opposable thumbs that they could grab, and therefore, wrestle with, and also curl into fists, and therefore, box with.
@@Vlad_Tepes_III Gorillas "punch" when fighting, but their palms are the shape of human foot-soles, so they can't make a real fist, their fingers are too short.
A quarter staff is not a bo staff and thus the art of using it is different. while comparable in some ways, the use of a quarterstaff is more like having dance partner in that they have much more mass and your body needs to move and stand in ways that respect that mass. These staves seem rather light, quarterstaves are supposed to be about 7 feet long, and an inch and a quarter thick mine weighs almost 5 lbs.
Think there working on the pike which was a major weapon back in the middle ages.
It looks like this particular group is just using commercially available Japanese bō, which also helps with their smaller practice space. You can find videos of other groups (with larger practice spaces or outdoors) using up to 9-foot (about 2.7m) staffs. Some of the quarterstaff tradition goes back to peasants training for polearms (war spears, halberds, etc.) without actually having the true weapons available for regular training.
there is one call O Jogo de Pao translated to stick game or game of the stick it was created in Northern Portugal by shepards
The qarterstaff is named after it´s girth which is 1 inch
Review Björn Rüther Quarter staff video... hes seems pretty good
I feel the family of spear, staff, polearm methods tend to inform each other. Within Europe and now across the world, especially over long periods of time. Ideas and details will change with successful adoption of the new, and perhaps will tend to grow together.
This will tend to evolve a sport or exercise form that needs to be tested in combat against the lessons of combat. In the past, the survivors were using the best methods or were the most adaptable. While contests can reveal limitations, I feel this may still result in false lessons being learned.
Exposure to the quarterstaff in decades of Hollywood stuntmen inventing moves for films from the 1920s on may also colour how people perceive things, though the primary sources are illustrated books, as tends to be the case all over the world.
it is funny how similar staff fighting styles can be until your realize there's only so many ways you can fight with long stick so naturally due to human biomechanics there is going to be a lot of overlap lol i think the main difference for sure is in quarterstaff they try to use it more like a spear and take full advantage of the weapons reach.
Hey, interesting breakdown. If you do ever come to the UK you are welcome to my club. My background is Aikido but I teach classes focused on a variety of martial arts weapons. We also do weapons sparring if you fancy giving it a try 😊
Hello Sensei! Then find out about the "Jogo do Pau", also known as Portuguese Fencing.
1:10 long side out versus starting in the middle. The long side out looks as samurai drawn sword from the beginning. Anyone with long side out is doing one-on-one. Or attack in one general direction--Forward. A monk or Okinawan who holds in the middle is positioned for attack from behind or side and behind.Europeans are used to single combat or all combatants in front [MySayEMJ]. Okinawan staff is from usually attacked from multiple sides..in Europe the group attackers must stand spread-out but in front--highwayman robber wants you to see numbers so you give-up without a fight and surrender your currency like a toll. A group will have archers and no chance to hit them so only have to face what is in front of you if at all.-Ernie Moore Jr. I No_Know
This was super interesting
you should react to polish fencing
the last piece was spear fighting against a sword and buckler.
A lot of what passes for uniquely European inventions in martial arts are recorded much earlier. Sumeria had boxing with handwraps thousands of years before it shows up in Europe, wrestling is recorded in the tombs of Beni Hassan in Egypt, along with stick fighting, and a sort of stick and forearm guard fighting. The Ancient Sumerians had an organized military that employed shields, swords, spears, bowmen, axes staffs etc. No doubt the wealthier nobles with their wealth and leisure time trained in these skills and passed them down. Africa (Yes Egypt is African) had several kingdoms with warrior classes, organized grappling and weapons combat. Boxing was NOT developed first in Europe. White professors with Phd.s have recorded the Sumerian boxing tradition. In fact their poses resemble Okinawan karate with the fists in positions with the closed fist palm up This isn't to say by the the Europeans developed their own brand of it. But they for sure didn't invent them.
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The quarterstaff techniques here resemble Japanese sword techniques more than bo techniques (koryu student here).
Pugilism was a complete martial art and various wrestling styles and a kicking art called purring
Intercultural and interdisciplinary topics are my favorite!
I wonder if that legend about Robert Peke was true. He used a quarterstaff and three Spanish swordsmen and won against them.
you would be amazed at all the old books written on swordfighting and using other weapons. the had it down to a science. any one today woud be hard pressed to fight some one from those times.
Wow not bad
I don't know if you will read this but you talk about Karate taking the bo by the center portion while many arts take the staff from one end or the other. I've pondered this many times and have a theory based on the lack of speared weapons in the Okinawan systems. what is your thought on this idea.
I think the hand position depends on the range, your are fighting in.
I want to see youre react to the French staff or baton
I love your videos
HEMA would be something to look into
You should look at swahs buckling
Hi. Love your videos. Can you do a reaction on Koei Kan Karate Do? I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
The evades looks a lot like tekki shodan
You can check out English pugilism and its similarities with Karate
Also my friends stick is martial art Donga from Surma peoples
As a practitioner of european staff weapons, this channel is not my favorite as i dont think it represents it well. My suggestion is the "HROARR" channel doing 'Meyer quarterstaff,' a Renaissance German style. They have sparring footage as well as detailed explanations for the use of the weapon.
But yes, one of the big differences is that european styles stick close to their use as spears and halberds and so use an extended grip very heavily. Grabbing and using the staff from the middle like in Bo use only happens when you want to close and grapple the opponent.
And as for the staves themselves, a lot of them are uniform in thickness but there are jo type styles in Europe that i practice that use a tapered stick. That is because they are coppiced sticks from trees that have a natural taper going thick at one end to thin at the other end, almost giving a sword type balance to the stick. Although that same taper will be found on long pole-weapons too for balance and weight considerations.
Enjoyed the video and would love to hear more about eastern perspectives on western staff styles. Cheers!
Why don’t we represent the art well?
React to kudo if you haven't yet!
Hey I'd like you react to Silat,please make it🙌
Necessity is the mother of all invention... obviously the same as Japan, in the Uk we had our heavily armed Knights elite classes with their iron weapons, horses etc but unlike Japan the peasant classes by law had to train and fight with the longbow and quarterstaff. Your wooden Okinawan weapons were never farm implements that the peasants adapted into weapons, they were Chinese imported weapons yes?
If you look at fencing or any battlefield art they all use the forward, back and cat stance. The particular long hold your seeing on this film is just one of many grips used on a quarterstaff. Some had iron ends but not really necessary, some had a small tapered end so a spearpoint could be socketed, all using the same technique. The longbow men even fought with wooden malls which to you and me were like wooden sledgehammers to finish off a dismounted knight. Europe has many martial arts including Savate where Gigo Funakoshi got his kizami zuki jab, mawashi geri, ushiro geri and kekomi Geri etc even the game of darts was a training aid for throwing precision. The end of log was used for the board using the rings of the grain to score. The original dart was a throwing weapon. Baden Powell the founder of the scouting movement had the scouts training to fight with staffs as well as its other uses. Checkout Irish Sheleighly stick fighting, although not a quarterstaff it still uses the same footwork. Do your research, it’s very interesting.
Yes.
I think the biggest difference is the Japanese type of martial arts are a little more holistic. You learn all about the bow
and ki, and how to defend yourself without the bow. With the European its mostly the mechanics of the weapon.
At least that's how it seems to me.
Ho ho! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!
I've got a little recommendation for you:
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This video is a quarterstaff sparring video showing the use of the staff how it was written down by the German Renaissance fencing master Joachim Meyer.
I should also note that this version is already neutered for safety reason. There's no striking to the head allowed and all 360° strikes are forbidden.
Historical European staff fencing is pretty sick...
Look at saber fencing
i think the founder of the fighting style is mixed with asian martail art .. u can see a lot of similar technics
Terry Brown is the founder of that school , I think. He mentions in his book that he trained many years in Kung Fu. I think he calls that system "the beggars art" or something like that.
This art absolutely does not have Asian martial arts in it, it comes from 50 years of research by Terry Brown
Im not fan of Bruce Lee but had a good quote human has two hands two legs if someone birth with extra part change the way who give strike
Reminds me of Kung Fu spear.
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It looks more like European staff fighting with a martial Arts twist.