I think the hammer and undying is part of the barb meme and can be fun to avoid even. With that being said it does seem OP to get one shot by the aoe shockwave of one. Perhaps significantly reduce the aoe? That way a direct hit still kills you in a direct engagement but also gives you the option to evade. Maybe that’s enough because there is no denying the win rates. Many times the defending teams have better scores and still lose but who knows if removing undying idol push is going too far?
And chains also 😂 i stopped playing cause of that power/Control/ tankiness gap between classes (and 6/8 barb BG matches) Even tempests didn't pissed me off more than chain pulling 24/7. Undying is key of barb pvp playstyle. YOU MUST STOP HIM, NOT KILL HIM I left half a year ago, and I'm glad I did it. They still dont give a damn about feedback 😂
Barb should get at least 80% of his total damage reduction for the duration of Undying Rage. It's completely illogical for a character to deal incredible damage and still be immortal, mobile and all the perks...
The issue isn't undying rage. I think you could argue it's the single strongest skill in the game, but it's been there since day 1, and it was already nerfed like a year and a half ago. The real issue is the roar of persuasion offhand, which gives barbs lifedrain, and makes the beefiest whale barbs almost unkillable in BGs, not because they have undying rage, but because the lifedrain is so strong it means they almost don't even have to use it, and when they do, the lifedrain sustains them till the pretty substantial cooldown time refreshes. If you took the lifedrain away from that lego, barbs would still be strong, but in the old strong way, not in the some super whale barbs never die kind of way. All the devs have to do is rework that lego so the lifedrain is no longer there, and the class will be "fixed." Also, in general, I think barb skill is irrelevant in the game. Battlegrounds is all about that time clock, and every second a barb is on the idol is a second that idol either moves favorably or doesn't move in a favorable way for their team. Barbs are like offensive lineman in football, they aren't there to be flashy, they're there to fulfill a function.
@ApollyonGaming Yep, I understand you weren't saying that. I was more responding to the online comments from others you discussed in the video. Dropping HOTA damage could help like you said, but I really think lifedrain just needs to be removed from the offhand entirely. They could replace it with another effect, or just boost the crit damage bonus it already provides a little more. Plus, if some barbs want to keep playing with lifedrain, they can always go Vithu 6, though that requires a set sacrifice somewhere else, which is fine.
@@ioriyagami9231 I can see it getting nerfed, but I hope it doesn't. If they go after it too hard, I think it will essentially kill the class. It wouldn't be nearly as useful for BGs, and since its PVE damage lags behind a bunch of other classes, not sure there'd be much reason to stick with it there either. I think the better move is to hit the specific things that has caused the recent surge to the class, and I think the HOTA with lifedrain build is the main culprit. Think I'd remove the lifedrain and maybe nerf HOTA first, then see how the dust settles.
The community wouldn’t be talking if Barbs were not a problem. Barbs need a nerf. The majority of players have switched to Barbs because of how overpowered the class is. Great video !
I play barb i play wiz i play many class. I don't have issue with barb unsying and hota when i play other class although i get hota flat to the ground. But i have issue with they change wizard immunity shield to a tiny absorb shield and no one even talk about it.
You obviously haven't played as an average barbarian. I can't develop enough damage, by the time I've got near range classes I'm dead. I have to use shields on everything to get near players. I think it's wizards hold me in place again from distance bounce me in the air a few times and dead. Undying range generally doesn't last long enough to run away unless you use sprint. If you use sprint you generally have to sacrifice yet more damage. The only weapon that does develop enough damage is hammer/flicktonne with high crit damage. I set my crit damage to around 44% but it's always nerfed to around 12%. When the season started and no nerfing it was ridiculous, getting around 30 kills most games. Now in gold 2 it's boring being barb, your just a damage sponge held in place creating fuck all damage, undying starts and runs out and you're dead. Most of the games I play a few barbs but as many annoying wizards and demon hunters
I agree. I think other players are just sour grapes against barbarians, They probably aren’t spending enough to increase their secondary stats. Indez? Probably in his server are full of noobs so it’s ez for him.
btw necro has a skill/ability (dark curse with the pants essence) which can remove beneficial effects, like the demoralization skill on barbarians (spartusk helmet),,, why don't necro use it??, because they are lazy or don't care, they just follow current meta build, (vortex build). The problem here is that the division of teams is not very even, sometimes the enemy team has 5 barbs while our team doesn't have any at all. imo
Come on man.. stop crying.. u have perma frost and cc 100% in all map and u want to nerf barbs? Really? Mby u want to delete barbs to play only wiz in the game ? Omg just stop crying.. monk is broken sader is broken too wizards is broken tempest is broken but barbs is the problem for y? 😂😂😂😂
You need to understand the term 'crying' before you use it. Also, get your facts straight before you say anything. Plus, learn to play the Barbarian if you think it isn't overtuned at the moment. Lastly, learn the difference between crying and discussion.
Learn the difference between discussing and crying. You don't have anything substantial to point out, and you lack facts. Instead, you're just playing barbarian yourself and felt attacked because it's a barbarian video. Now, you're automatically assuming I'm crying. It's SAD DUDE.
Learn the difference? Maybe stop defending yourself as "discussing" when all you do is talk about nerfing barbarians. Clearly you are a crybaby, a whinner, complainer, using your platform to constantly criticize a specific class for months and months. It's Spartusk, it's spam hammer, it's undying rage, now you want hammer nerfed AGAIN! Maybe you should learn what perception means, cause you are not discussing issues, you are pushing your agenda!
Barbs are tanks theyre build to do damage and survive. Can also use Roar of Persuasion and heal while doing damage in Wrath. Dont need to be nerfed because we are using skills and essences the game provides
It’s not uncommon to see 5 to 6 players trying to take down one high reso barb in BG. Whatever your criticisms are about other classes, most can fight each other one on one and have a decent fight and a decent chance of winning or losing not only based on reso but your skill and build. Barbs survivability is totally unbalanced and takes away the need for skill or experience other players and classes have to leverage against them.
High secondary Armor, Heartless and run after wizard, They should able to outrun you and their damage is trash. Only have CC which doesn't work much vs Barbs/Tempest etc
Wiz and nec already got nerf with the immunity shield turn into tiny absorb shield which I multi class player not very happy and no 1 even talk about it.
@ApollyonGaming I am at Legend in Bloodrime, 3k reso, 5k armor, 5.5k ap, 4k potency, 4k resistance. 30% accuracy, crit chance, crit damage, 41% block chance. I cant kill anyone using hota build. If I do kill easy, usually in a match where my AP is above 1.5k-2k difference vs their armor. So my advice you try pvp as barb and tell us your experience. You know at Legend rank you will meet real players with at least 5k-9k 2nd stats. Have you met 3k reso monk with 9k armor? Come to bloodrime and see how tanky he is.
@@ApollyonGaming ask indez to show every opponents 2nd stats bro when he killed easy and many in BG. Than you will know the truth. This game only about AP for pvp.
True. I stopped playing cause of constantly being pulled by chains and smited by hota from all sides. Even the tempest is not that annoying. I played dot/CC wizard until those chains was introduced. And im happy that i left, after almost half a year I see they didnt fixed aby od the problems 😂 About Apo's crying 😂 barb is easy to perma stunlock with good setup. You must STOP HIM, NOT KILL HIM hiss CC and dmg with chains and HOTA is the main problem, not undying
This is apollyon. He got frustrated because he didn't win in pvp and now needs to make a video on how they need to nerf X class. 😂 Barb is fine ive learnt to deal with them im BGs i actually think the game is sorta in a good place for most classes. Most classes now have something that could be considered broken even monk is working now and it's fun to play with
@@ApollyonGaming Dont get mad over some video game . Trust me try playing the class . You will hate your life . 10 minutes BGs game i spend 5 frozen and feared . Play one or two games with barb and you will see . U can switch right away .
Wind walk, right. The cc from mages is easy to handle. Such a mage is just food for like 4-5 classes. Freeze helps as support, but without having it as a mage, 90%+ of mages would stop playing mage, because it's the only thing you have, the cc freeze. That's why you see often 6-11k reso mages in top 5-8, with more deaths as kills, if they are in a lobby vs tempests, barbs and necros. Such mages are pure food for them.
@@ApollyonGaming they nerf in the last update a lot , you want more ? all of you who cpmplain about barb u can change for a couple days into barb and see if barb need more nerf or not
Learn the difference between discussing and crying. You don't have anything substantial to point out, and you lack facts. No need to believe you, if that was true, top whales would be playing that class.
I play tempest and still kill barbs, if you have decent secondaries you can play any class. If you don’t have a good team in BG and don’t understand the dynamics of your class you lose. However it is easy to get to legendary rank with any class in DI just be patient. Also the real problem, is the shitty 300 free plat a day we get for completing dailies, blizzard why is it not 3000? What do you lose from giving us more plat? 🤌💵🤣
They would lose tons of dollars, my friend 😂 also, 5* gems will be sold on MILIONS of plat (let's call it Platinum value inflation). and devs will get a negative feedback for this, that ppl still can't buy anything on market. ALSO, cry-babies' videos like this one 😂 WHY BARB OP WHY GEMS THIS EXPENSIVE ETC
@ I don’t think they would lose a lot, on my server a 5/5* roiling is 690k and you can only go up to a certain maximum in price fixing when you post item for sale. Prices are controlled by market and demand not buy how much people make plat per day. If we get 3k a day just do math, that’s 90k a month and you’d have to safe almost 8 months to be able to buy a 5/5* gem let alone rank it up to r10. So no, I think even 3k a day is a drip in the bucket.😂
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Apollyon I am happy playing my wizard. Let them play their barbarian
I think the hammer and undying is part of the barb meme and can be fun to avoid even. With that being said it does seem OP to get one shot by the aoe shockwave of one. Perhaps significantly reduce the aoe? That way a direct hit still kills you in a direct engagement but also gives you the option to evade. Maybe that’s enough because there is no denying the win rates. Many times the defending teams have better scores and still lose but who knows if removing undying idol push is going too far?
Undying rage isn’t the problem, it’s the high dps output…
And chains also 😂 i stopped playing cause of that power/Control/ tankiness gap between classes (and 6/8 barb BG matches)
Even tempests didn't pissed me off more than chain pulling 24/7. Undying is key of barb pvp playstyle. YOU MUST STOP HIM, NOT KILL HIM
I left half a year ago, and I'm glad I did it. They still dont give a damn about feedback 😂
@@yippy4707 hota is useless if your AP = as enemies Armor.
You guys will get canceled for talking about it.
@@ApollyonGaming talking about the undying rage?
Reading the comments in YT, Reddit, and forum, these classes are top priority to be nerfed: 1) Barb, 2) Wiz, 3) Necro
Barb should get at least 80% of his total damage reduction for the duration of Undying Rage. It's completely illogical for a character to deal incredible damage and still be immortal, mobile and all the perks...
The issue isn't undying rage. I think you could argue it's the single strongest skill in the game, but it's been there since day 1, and it was already nerfed like a year and a half ago. The real issue is the roar of persuasion offhand, which gives barbs lifedrain, and makes the beefiest whale barbs almost unkillable in BGs, not because they have undying rage, but because the lifedrain is so strong it means they almost don't even have to use it, and when they do, the lifedrain sustains them till the pretty substantial cooldown time refreshes. If you took the lifedrain away from that lego, barbs would still be strong, but in the old strong way, not in the some super whale barbs never die kind of way. All the devs have to do is rework that lego so the lifedrain is no longer there, and the class will be "fixed."
Also, in general, I think barb skill is irrelevant in the game. Battlegrounds is all about that time clock, and every second a barb is on the idol is a second that idol either moves favorably or doesn't move in a favorable way for their team. Barbs are like offensive lineman in football, they aren't there to be flashy, they're there to fulfill a function.
Issue isn't undying rage as I said in the video. But Hota, damage needs to be adjusted a bit only for PVP and not PVE.
@ApollyonGaming Yep, I understand you weren't saying that. I was more responding to the online comments from others you discussed in the video. Dropping HOTA damage could help like you said, but I really think lifedrain just needs to be removed from the offhand entirely. They could replace it with another effect, or just boost the crit damage bonus it already provides a little more. Plus, if some barbs want to keep playing with lifedrain, they can always go Vithu 6, though that requires a set sacrifice somewhere else, which is fine.
@@stealingfire1991 undying rage duration will be nerfed next… probably to 2 secs like the crusader
@@ioriyagami9231 I can see it getting nerfed, but I hope it doesn't. If they go after it too hard, I think it will essentially kill the class. It wouldn't be nearly as useful for BGs, and since its PVE damage lags behind a bunch of other classes, not sure there'd be much reason to stick with it there either. I think the better move is to hit the specific things that has caused the recent surge to the class, and I think the HOTA with lifedrain build is the main culprit. Think I'd remove the lifedrain and maybe nerf HOTA first, then see how the dust settles.
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Undying rage ❌
Dying rage ✅
The community wouldn’t be talking if Barbs were not a problem.
Barbs need a nerf. The majority of players have switched to Barbs because of how overpowered the class is.
Great video !
Its crime to talk about it atm
They need to add class type to MM, is not how op is a class but how many of that class are in one team.
Barb is perfect the way it is, other classes just needs more damage buffs and mobilities
I missed killing barbs like punching bags for that past 2 years. LOL.
I play barb i play wiz i play many class. I don't have issue with barb unsying and hota when i play other class although i get hota flat to the ground. But i have issue with they change wizard immunity shield to a tiny absorb shield and no one even talk about it.
@@alexfoo5118 nerf wiz freeze and aoe radius
You obviously haven't played as an average barbarian. I can't develop enough damage, by the time I've got near range classes I'm dead. I have to use shields on everything to get near players. I think it's wizards hold me in place again from distance bounce me in the air a few times and dead. Undying range generally doesn't last long enough to run away unless you use sprint. If you use sprint you generally have to sacrifice yet more damage. The only weapon that does develop enough damage is hammer/flicktonne with high crit damage. I set my crit damage to around 44% but it's always nerfed to around 12%. When the season started and no nerfing it was ridiculous, getting around 30 kills most games. Now in gold 2 it's boring being barb, your just a damage sponge held in place creating fuck all damage, undying starts and runs out and you're dead. Most of the games I play a few barbs but as many annoying wizards and demon hunters
Check out Indez, F2P barb killing a lot of players in BG and what he think about the class.
@@ApollyonGaming cmon now I dont think indez f2p, especially look at the runes he is using.
True, unless you have 2k AP vs 5k armor everyone else, you cant kill anyone using hota build.
I agree. I think other players are just sour grapes against barbarians, They probably aren’t spending enough to increase their secondary stats.
Indez? Probably in his server are full of noobs so it’s ez for him.
@@fredysugianto6357 If you think he isn't f2p, than there isn't much to say.
Imagine playing Cruz the original defender tank class, cant even tank anymore.
against barbs works stuning and pull back skills better as a fast kill
I’m just gonna say this, there’s a build for that. Ask the barbs on my server cluster.
btw necro has a skill/ability (dark curse with the pants essence) which can remove beneficial effects, like the demoralization skill on barbarians (spartusk helmet),,,
why don't necro use it??, because they are lazy or don't care, they just follow current meta build, (vortex build).
The problem here is that the division of teams is not very even, sometimes the enemy team has 5 barbs while our team doesn't have any at all. imo
Currently Necro, got a new build for Golem. It will become more famous in upcoming weeks.
Come on man.. stop crying.. u have perma frost and cc 100% in all map and u want to nerf barbs? Really? Mby u want to delete barbs to play only wiz in the game ? Omg just stop crying.. monk is broken sader is broken too wizards is broken tempest is broken but barbs is the problem for y? 😂😂😂😂
in bgs everyone playing barb.... and WHY is everyone playing it ? thats why lol
You need to understand the term 'crying' before you use it. Also, get your facts straight before you say anything. Plus, learn to play the Barbarian if you think it isn't overtuned at the moment. Lastly, learn the difference between crying and discussion.
If he's playing Barb, he will complain about wiz otherwise 😂
Spotted the noob barb
@@zmibblesyup. Apollyon act like the little kid who loses in a soccer game match with his friends, gets pissed and takes the ball and goes home. 😂
Wizzard ccs are way overpowered there would be no pushing of the idle possible with all this rangeddmg.
True, if other team lack Tempest/Barbs and if Wizard, is very high potency player.
3 stand alone barbarian videos in the last week but you say you dont cry or complain. Yea your the biggest crybaby on youtube!
Learn the difference between discussing and crying. You don't have anything substantial to point out, and you lack facts. Instead, you're just playing barbarian yourself and felt attacked because it's a barbarian video. Now, you're automatically assuming I'm crying. It's SAD DUDE.
Learn the difference? Maybe stop defending yourself as "discussing" when all you do is talk about nerfing barbarians. Clearly you are a crybaby, a whinner, complainer, using your platform to constantly criticize a specific class for months and months. It's Spartusk, it's spam hammer, it's undying rage, now you want hammer nerfed AGAIN! Maybe you should learn what perception means, cause you are not discussing issues, you are pushing your agenda!
Barbs are tanks theyre build to do damage and survive. Can also use Roar of Persuasion and heal while doing damage in Wrath. Dont need to be nerfed because we are using skills and essences the game provides
More and more people switch barb now because of that.
We multi class player switch class everyday and we got smack by class we played day before everyday.
It’s not uncommon to see 5 to 6 players trying to take down one high reso barb in BG.
Whatever your criticisms are about other classes, most can fight each other one on one and have a decent fight and a decent chance of winning or losing not only based on reso but your skill and build.
Barbs survivability is totally unbalanced and takes away the need for skill or experience other players and classes have to leverage against them.
Its just a few seconds undying. The barb still can die its just depend how good is your timing. Don't always bring nerf out.
Watch the video and see if I am talking about Undying or Hota damage.
Ppl complaining on barbs but how about wizz and temp its not easy for barb to deal with them neither lol.
High secondary Armor, Heartless and run after wizard, They should able to outrun you and their damage is trash. Only have CC which doesn't work much vs Barbs/Tempest etc
Tank = hard to kill not impossible to kill!
Tank should be tank and not DPS to.
@ApollyonGaming completely agree with that but disagree that all immunities are not a problem but just the dps
These are the classes that will be nerfed according to priority:
1. Barb
2. Barb
3. Barb
4. Wiz
5. Necro
Wiz and nec already got nerf with the immunity shield turn into tiny absorb shield which I multi class player not very happy and no 1 even talk about it.
@ more nerfs to come… reduce freeze duration, decrease AOE radius
My suggestion Apollyon try to pvp as barb for a month, than tell us about it.
Try and play at Legend tier 3000+ points and see which class outperform every other class when it comes to Tankness/Damage/MobilityAOE aka chains.
@ApollyonGaming I am at Legend in Bloodrime, 3k reso, 5k armor, 5.5k ap, 4k potency, 4k resistance. 30% accuracy, crit chance, crit damage, 41% block chance. I cant kill anyone using hota build. If I do kill easy, usually in a match where my AP is above 1.5k-2k difference vs their armor. So my advice you try pvp as barb and tell us your experience. You know at Legend rank you will meet real players with at least 5k-9k 2nd stats.
Have you met 3k reso monk with 9k armor? Come to bloodrime and see how tanky he is.
@@fredysugianto6357 I am not a Barb, expert. So I will advice you to check out Indez, and see how he is killing people with his F2P barbarian.
@@ApollyonGaming ask indez to show every opponents 2nd stats bro when he killed easy and many in BG. Than you will know the truth. This game only about AP for pvp.
The auto claw is more irritating
True. I stopped playing cause of constantly being pulled by chains and smited by hota from all sides. Even the tempest is not that annoying. I played dot/CC wizard until those chains was introduced. And im happy that i left, after almost half a year I see they didnt fixed aby od the problems 😂
About Apo's crying 😂 barb is easy to perma stunlock with good setup. You must STOP HIM, NOT KILL HIM
hiss CC and dmg with chains and HOTA is the main problem, not undying
If they remove the undying... who's gonna step on the idol and eat all damage 😂😂😂😂😂
Watch the video and see if I am talking about Undying or Hota damage.
This is apollyon. He got frustrated because he didn't win in pvp and now needs to make a video on how they need to nerf X class. 😂 Barb is fine ive learnt to deal with them im BGs i actually think the game is sorta in a good place for most classes. Most classes now have something that could be considered broken even monk is working now and it's fun to play with
@@drewtate5409 huge nerf coming to barb
Barbarian and wizard are broke.
Just switch Phoenix ashes with undying rage. Bam now the gem is good and rage is still decent but not OP
Did you get the idol to the base before dying?
I rofled at this tutorial hahahaha.. soo true XDDD
😂😂
Pvp is 8vs8... bar, cru, nec, wiz, tem, mon, blo, dh... 8 class.... 8vs8
Come on really need nerf barb its ruined game
We need report about barbarian to blizzard who never die its only barb they hold idol forever and ez winning
Nerf them all.
Stop crying and change the class 😂
Sad, how many people don't even know the meaning of crying and discussing.
@@ApollyonGaming Dont get mad over some video game . Trust me try playing the class . You will hate your life . 10 minutes BGs game i spend 5 frozen and feared . Play one or two games with barb and you will see . U can switch right away .
Players actually want fckin tempest wizard and necro nerf
Wind walk, right. The cc from mages is easy to handle. Such a mage is just food for like 4-5 classes. Freeze helps as support, but without having it as a mage, 90%+ of mages would stop playing mage, because it's the only thing you have, the cc freeze. That's why you see often 6-11k reso mages in top 5-8, with more deaths as kills, if they are in a lobby vs tempests, barbs and necros. Such mages are pure food for them.
Who cares stop crying. Also stop making videos for clicks lame.
Another Barb I see... Learn the difference between discussing and crying. You don't have anything substantial to point out.
barbs dont do damage ,if they remove undying they must remove barbs from the game
Barbs don’t do damage? 😂😂😂
no dmg ?
in pvp the hammer oneshot everyone lol
No, no. Keep undying but reduce hammer damage for PVP only.
@@jonathancermak8551 snowflake doesn’t know how to play barb 🤌😂
@@ApollyonGaming they nerf in the last update a lot , you want more ? all of you who cpmplain about barb u can change for a couple days into barb and see if barb need more nerf or not
bro you cry too much 😂 the most annoying character is wizard believe me
Learn the difference between discussing and crying. You don't have anything substantial to point out, and you lack facts. No need to believe you, if that was true, top whales would be playing that class.
Not wind walk in combination with barbs on idols?? You have no clue. CC mages are food for good tempests, monks, necro, DH and barbs with anti cc.
@@ApollyonGaming you are the most annoying character man you freeze, you slow what is the problem? switch class you whining too much like a baby
@@ApollyonGaming we have budek here and a lot of top whales and we dont whine like the EU region 😂 just enjoy the game and be smarter next time
@@raffycruise4465 None of those you mention are content creator dude.
I play tempest and still kill barbs, if you have decent secondaries you can play any class. If you don’t have a good team in BG and don’t understand the dynamics of your class you lose. However it is easy to get to legendary rank with any class in DI just be patient. Also the real problem, is the shitty 300 free plat a day we get for completing dailies, blizzard why is it not 3000? What do you lose from giving us more plat? 🤌💵🤣
They would lose tons of dollars, my friend 😂 also, 5* gems will be sold on MILIONS of plat (let's call it Platinum value inflation). and devs will get a negative feedback for this, that ppl still can't buy anything on market. ALSO, cry-babies' videos like this one 😂 WHY BARB OP WHY GEMS THIS EXPENSIVE ETC
@ I don’t think they would lose a lot, on my server a 5/5* roiling is 690k and you can only go up to a certain maximum in price fixing when you post item for sale. Prices are controlled by market and demand not buy how much people make plat per day. If we get 3k a day just do math, that’s 90k a month and you’d have to safe almost 8 months to be able to buy a 5/5* gem let alone rank it up to r10. So no, I think even 3k a day is a drip in the bucket.😂