Congratulations! Bet it's a blast. I got tired of waiting for one here in the US. They didn't confirm it was coming here so I ended up with a Norden 901. Choice #2 was an Africa Twin but they aren't releasing 2023 ATs in the US either. No dealerships could get one and Honda would cancel pre-orders with no explanation. The dealerships later said "unofficially" that Honda was skipping this year in the US market so I would either need to wait indefinitely or choose something else. Honda corporate really needs to work on their communication skills. Definitely cost them a sale with me.
@domasvosylius4349 agreed, bro. So much BS has been witten and I couldn't care less. No regrets at all. I also got a really good deal on the bike...the suberb quickshifter and first service included.
@@trailrider1980 it's an incredible bike. Everyone that's ridden it wants one. Gives you 600cc sport bike performance on the road and is just as capable as a Tenere 700 off-road.
I like both but for me, the suzuki has the air filter under the seat vs honda under the fuel tank. For that alone, I like the suzuki. Excellent review. Swapping back and forth is such a great idea. Loved the review and insanely helpful!!
Suzuki gave a gift to us in the aftermarket - the muffler is huge, which is why it's so quiet, but the catalytic converters look tiny, there's barely any breadbox under the engine. Yank off the muffler, put on a cheap aftermarket slip on, you're down 8KGs and it'll totally wake up. It's the same with the SV650.
Fully stripped back V-Strom 800,with all the offroad mods done(18" rear wheel included) from Hessler, 238kg(Inc.14kg of fuel),Transalp modded the same,similar weight, but with only 11.2kg of fuel. A decat, and further pairing back, it should be possible to get to 199kg dry?
@@F3udF1st for the weight. I did smth similar on my 19 650 XT strom, changed the exhaust and the battery for lithium, gained 7 kilos. But honestly OP, gaining 8 kilos by just changing the pipe with a legal one at least, sounds really optimistic. More like 4 maybe 5 maximum if the original is indeed really heavy. Hessler btw uses the arrow system and on my V strom with that exhaust I gained about 3.6 kilos.
@@F3udF1st As an international truck driver, I can tell you,that's not true...I'm more likely to hear you than see you on the Perpherique around Paris, where I drive once a week!(RHD truck).
Great testing of two brilliant bikes - fun and thorough! Running the bikes together and offering the views of two riders is a good format. I really enjoyed the video - thanks. Cheers.
Excellent comparison review guys. I think you've summed it up perfectly & distinguished the bikes characters from each other really well They've essentially got to a similar place in terms of end product but take slightly different routes to get there.
I really like this format. Great to get the quick switches from bike to bike it’s a more direct comparison plus two opinions instead of one. Well done.
I've owned two DL650s which I considered to be "pretend" adventure bikes. I liked them for their upright rider position, good visibility, and the wonderfully smooth v-twin. They were easier on my old hips and knees than most other types. Of these two, I think I would choose the Transalp. I like the styling better, and I ride 98% on road anyway. Fun video to watch, BTW.
ive had 3 vstrom 650s and a 1000, they aint pretend--- they will and do go anywhere and do anything a a ktm890 will do--- ive had one of them to, the vstrom is the best adv bike ever made and the best value--- this 800 will be my next,..... riders pretend--- the bike doesnt
Love these comparison videos, being from Canada it's almost impossible to get a test ride, so your comparisons really help! thanks and keep up the great content
Great comparison. This is what comparisons should be like. Love your work boys. I’m not in the market but I think I’d go the Suzi because of the suspension and the dash looks better. But I’d love to ride both and see how they feel. Would be good bikes for me.
Good comparison. I wouldn't be bothered about not having hand guards and a bash plate as standard, as the bits you get are usually a joke, and get replaced straight away.
You don't realize what a gem of a bike the Transalp is, until you've owned one for a long time. Bullet proof, very forgiving when you're tired, you can carry crates of beer on it. So underrated.
@@chriskneifl3290 smoother power delivery of the engine and riding position for me being six foot 1 on the Suzuki. Both very important for this style of bike to me and my age of 50 plus
Boys epic stuff as usual! Having Gregorio in the video is always plus cause your interaction is very natural. Just two Mates talking about bikes! Keep it coming!!
I would definitely take the Suzuki. Fully adjustable suspension is big deal. When dialed in for your weight, a bike becomes amazing! IMHO. Plus the magic carpet ride of longer suspension is just lovely in the real world. Nice job on the reviews! No shade to the Honda. Looks like a great bike too!
Great comparison review. I'm really liking my new-to-me '18 V-Strom 1000 for commuting. The V-Strom 800 is a very compelling package for a comfy all-rounder.
Your "grunt" test race is really telling and one reason I went with the Suzuki. Coming from a cruiser background I really like having the power on demand in low and mid range over having to spin up the motor to red line to get my power. It is definitely a hard choice and if money was no concern I think I would have both plus hundreds more bikes in my garage because there are so many good bikes available these days.
Man I really like the look of these Suzuki's. It's on my shortlist. Enough power and gear to supercruise on the highway at 75mph + plush suspension. Be a welcome change from the well uh slow and firm CB500X I'm riding now.
What a great comparison video, you and gregorio make a great team. I'm with you chops for me it would be the V-Strom, great looking bike and that colour scheme is beautiful. Personally the honda looks like a baby Africa twin which I'm not a fan of to be honest. I was out the other day and saw the V-Strom 10.50de, what an amazing looking bike. Well done guys, can't wait for the next comparison video.
Test rode the Transalp a few weeks ago and got one for my birthday. Picking it up from the dealer later today. Super stoked! Update: Heavy rain. Picking it up tomorrow.
The Transalp is what most 500x riders asked for. Maybe Rally Raid will come to the rescue on the suspension. Maybe there are going to be a-lot of used 500x’s at Honda dealers soon ;) For me ill stick to my 500x. Love the 7/8 size, economy and do it all functionality. However that DE would be fun to test out. Great video boys!
As fellow CB500X owner I have to agree,if the CB500X didn't do everything I wanted and asked of it,I'd be looking seriously at either of these two.But the CB500X is such a gem and always leaves me smiling and rarely leaves me wanting😊
@@johnwood4448 I don't think so, the electronics are simpler, the lok is more toward the 500x and the handling is more road focused. I can't think of the Transalp as a round the world bike.
I see the 800DE as the motorcycle you can ride long distances to get to your adventure and then ride that as well. Some folks have been calling the 800DE the DR800DE. Its big enough to do freeways and highways, but handles itself well off road. Since I have been suffering thru the DL1000XAL8 not having the suspension travel and ground clearance and the silly 19" from tire, the 800 DE is a win for me. The 800DE is not for hard enduro, I suppose, tho I always think that's more the rider than the bike, but the bike makes things easier for the rider.
well if you would spec them both the same, the suzi would be cheaper, because on honda you would have to go aftermarket fit suspention. Honda basically made tourer bike with just little higher suspension, where Suzuki made an all round adventure bike
Great comparison again Chops. I think these middleweight adventure bike's are the way to go for all-around every day use especially if you chuck in a bit of off roading every now and then. Personally I think that the Honda would look better in the red,white and blue colours but i am loving the look of that Suzuki. 😊👌. Hard decision 🤔
Fabulous group test boyz with all bases covered in a fun way,I’m mostly a road rider doing occasional tours & never really touch the dirt so I’ll best booking a demo ride on the Transalp. Keep up the great work Boys.
i tested both and i think i would buy the Honda too.. the V-strom 800 (i own a v-strom 650Xt) is very nice .. but the Honda impressed me a little bit more on the rider positioning and the handling ..
I bought the Transalp. Its definately a fun bike to ride. Very comfortable. I agree about the footpegs being too far forward. There's a big weight differnce between these two bikes too, which probably helped the Honda on the acceleration test.
Searched your channel for a Tenere video. Didn't see one. Don't think I've ever heard you mention the Tenere. I chose one even knowing these are both on their way. It's simple, not expensive, sounds and looks amazing. Loving it :)
Liked and Sub'd. I can't thank you guys enough for the review. I'm riding 136 miles tomorrow to hopefully test ride a 800DE that's on sale right now. I've had my eye on a Transalp but with the price difference on sale and the performance difference off road - it'll be enough to sway me. This review was EXCELLENT.
Amazing review. For the most accurate gearbox and engine review, you should put Motul 7100 oil in both bikes. Motul oil completely changes a motorcycle into something better. It's maybe the only oil you can buy that actually dramatically improves the engine and gearbox. It felt like I had completely re-tuned my engine and installed a better clutch when I switched from special ordered Amsoil, to Motul 7100. The Amazon reviews indicate the same effect from thousands of other people who switched to Motul 7100.
I swore off Honda after owning the vfr1200x, but I sat in a transalp that fit like a glove, so I’m open to Honda again. However, the new v-strom is so beautiful and was also so comfortable, I would still take it if the right deal presented itself.
Been waiting for this side by side. Thanks for putting this together! Really enjoyed it. I guess I’ll just have to ride them both once (if) the TransAlp makes it to the states. Currently riding a 2017 Vstrom 650
I agree! I have the 2017 V-Strom 650, also, and frankly it’s capable of most anything that I’m willing to do-(off highway and on a heavier bike than my trail bike). I’ve bashed my ‘bash-plate’ a couple of times, but that’s why I installed it. I LOVE the looks of this TransAlp- but the look doesn’t make the ‘ride’! These both look like great bikes!
I just returned from a 2,000 mile ride into Western Canada; 3 of us on ADV’s (CB500X, & Honda DCT Africa Twin) and my bother, on a Gold Wing & 2 close friends on Victory & Indian tourers- (so all on pavement). I’d LOVE to try that same ride on either of these bikes! Our 5th or 6th trip up there; Canada and the people are both awesome!!
Great test I'd say yr spot on Suzi seems better off road trans Alp little more toad. If I were actually going around the world or whatever I would pick the Suzi because of the sub frame in case of crash
Thanks for the review boys, they look like great bikes for the price. My pick goes with suzuki by a hair as i like the dirt but the only thing that annoys me with both of these bikes is a lack of OEM cruise control... that seems the only omission on face value that would add value to a long cruise down the highway.
@@chadkline4268 yes you can but not quite the same as factory cruise. It feels more like a manufacturer decision to sell more 1050's as a "true" adventure bike. I don't understand why they don't have an option on the 800.
@@ckgaming7369 I don't think it's so simple. First, people would not be happy with a simple lock. They would want speed maintenance so that the bike maintains speed up and down hills. And that means a much greater expense. At least, another throttle controller. Then, there is liability concerns such as being accused of the auto throttle control not turning off fast enough to prevent an accident. That is why some mfrs go so far as to couple cruise control with radar sensors to prevent collisions. And costs can skyrocket when a mfrs takes responsibility for the auto control of a bike. They might need to add tilt sensors so unreasonable speeds are not maintained around sharp curves, etc. It can get complex very quickly. Maybe you want a brake sensor to turn off the cruise control, etc.
@@chadkline4268 if you look across the brands, I agree it adds cost and complexity, but BMW does offer this option for their mid tier bikes for not much more.
You two crack me up on the off-road... 😉 Of the whole crop of middle weight ADV bikes, I am going to have to get me a Suzuki 800DE to dip my boots into this adventure riding thing.
As always, excellent material! Lamb Chop Rides Rock! In my opinion, both motorcycles are excellent options! I think that the price of the Honda Transalp would be higher than the Vstrom if it had as standard similar suspension, hand guards, quick shifter and engine protector..... also, with all those options as standard on the Honda, the weight diference would be less.
Great video. Thanks. I like these bikes. Africa twin, GS1250.... Lovely but so much more than I'll ever want or need. 80hp is about right for me and I think these occupy a section in the market that that'll do well. I like that you didn't just list all the stats. Super. My choice would be Suzuki.
Great comparison, Honda is a lovely looking machine so is the suzuki , I'm not a lover of that end can on the suzuki doesn't look as good has the Honda, The conversation between you always brings a smile
On Greg’s page with this , the Honda does it for me . More road based commuting, better gear box and brakes plus an engine with a sound track . The Suzuki is a good bike just for me personality not got the edge of the Honda .
I’ll make it easy -Tubeless tires, (because tubes are for dirt bikes that have a rescue vehicle nearby). -No more ground clearance/high center of gravity than necessary for the actual riding you will do. Long travel suspension sounds great until you have to pick it up
Brilliant stuff real world thinking 🤔 biggest thing is both of you are good riders and honest in the reviews of the bikes ,, really enjoyed it 😁☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
Great side by side review. Honda seems to have pitched the TransAlp where they know the majority of buyers will use it. As a previous owner of an adventure bike how often do they actually go off road?
Yea depends where you live. I live in the mountains of western Canada and have a dual sport and an adv bike. Adv bike still spends half its life offroad!
I test rode the transalp recently and the hornet a couple of weeks back Wow that engine, What a peach Provide one of THE best engines on the market today .. Greg , have you tried the Hornet yet ? If not , You WILL love it 😊
I'm only 5' 8.5" tall amd 160lbs. If my legs were a couple of inches longer, I'd take the Suzuki in a heartbeat. But at my height and weight the Honda just makes way more sense. I'm on a V-Strom 650XT right now and that damn Honda is even lighter than that! Crazy.
Suzuki for me. I think only the price sells the Honda. But that is a personal opinion. The character in the engine might also sell a few but anything else goes to the Suzuki. If you want the Suzuki to be lighter put less fuel in. Plus it’s said it doesn’t feel its weight by reviewers.
True, but a Honda NC750X is even better and spend the the money you have saved on purchase on topnotch suspension upgrade - best alround adventure tourer !!
And did you had the old Transalp? It was double much boring than the old 650 V-Strom.. Dont compare old machines by choosing a new one. The new are totaly different than the old.. And be honest, nice “agressive”sound is good for “just for fun around the house” way, but for comfortable long distance travelling is silent engine with more power in lower torques much more better.. For me definitely V-Strom ❤.
I would argue that the Honda doesn't necessarily have less torque in the mid range, it's just because the gearing is so tall. It's pulling a whisker under 4000rpm at 110kph! So it would be fairer to compare the acceleration from the the same revs rather than the same gear.
Based on looks alone I would choose the Suzuki.A Transalp came past me a couple of days ago and the only reason I knew it was a transalp was not because of its looks but because it was the white,red and blue colour way.
I’m 180 degrees the other direction. I think the Red, White and Blue Transalp looks very nice. The Suzuki looks uninspired with the atypical beak in front.
Happy to have come across you Gentleman, you certainly have made it easy to choose, my 6 ft 220 lbs carcass would certainly prefer the Suzuki...Great vid!
The Honda Transalp is the best sounding ADV bike ever made. There's nothing else that sounds as good with a fully stock exhaust. It's absolutely insanely awesome sounding. There are entire segments of reviews just doing sound performance drive by's to hear the beautiful sound.
So, I own a 2019 crf250L Rally and am a former dl650 owner. Ive just found out about the 800de a couple days ago and have been drooling ever since. Your videos have been great to watch and I’m finding myself looking at trade in values and such. Perhaps I’ll wait until 2024 to see if any gremlins appear, and incentives as well. Suzuki is well known for discounting prior year bikes in the beginning of a new year. Great videos. Thanks for taking the time and greeting from Florida.
You always have some great reviews! No exception here You guys haveing so much fun ! Thanks for sharing I felt like I was on the third bike back ! Comentary was great ! I was waitin for an unscheduled dismount in the grass in the center of the green lane seems like its always a bit wet and at a slightly higher elevation!
I live in northern Wisconsin USA, waiting for this transalp to get to Us ….. not sure why they delay models in either side of the water? The adventure segment is only growing in the US so again why the delay. Anyway great video and info !
Transalp all day long for me . they have a new aftermarket 220mm suspension for it that would make it on par with other adjustable suspensions out there. Plus the Honda looks much better.i would even pick it over the T7. 09 HP for 208 KG hard to beat for that price point. Honda nailed it with this bike i'm on the wait list here in US to grab one. Great video guys.
Thanx for this review & the direct comperison of these Japanese Legends. Been looking forward to this. First i have seen in spoken English on TH-cam 👍 Honda wins because: Lighter More power & sound Gearbox Apperance Reliability Dealer network & parts Cost of ownership Its not perfect but Adequat. The Power Of Dreams ❤
One big thing to also consider if venturing off road or just touring is that the Honda has Tubless tires. The thought of breaking down a tire in the middle of nowhere on such heavy bikes is a deal breaker for many. Most flats can be dealt with by just putting a plug in and filling up with air to get you somewhere else. Suzuki should get on that.The old vstrom 650 has spoked wheels and tubless tires.
When's the Hornet Vs GSX-8S comparison test coming? As a new hornet owner I want to see one of your acceleration side by side tests to see if the Hornet loses out because of its so called lack of bottom end which I haven't found at all 🤔
I bought a Transalp and it has blown me away. What a great bike!
Congratulations! Bet it's a blast.
I got tired of waiting for one here in the US. They didn't confirm it was coming here so I ended up with a Norden 901.
Choice #2 was an Africa Twin but they aren't releasing 2023 ATs in the US either. No dealerships could get one and Honda would cancel pre-orders with no explanation. The dealerships later said "unofficially" that Honda was skipping this year in the US market so I would either need to wait indefinitely or choose something else.
Honda corporate really needs to work on their communication skills. Definitely cost them a sale with me.
@@marcochavane3124how are you liking the norden?
@domasvosylius4349 agreed, bro. So much BS has been witten and I couldn't care less. No regrets at all. I also got a really good deal on the bike...the suberb quickshifter and first service included.
@@trailrider1980 it's an incredible bike. Everyone that's ridden it wants one. Gives you 600cc sport bike performance on the road and is just as capable as a Tenere 700 off-road.
Haven't liked A Suzuki since the Rm 250s but this bike definitely worth a test ride
I like both but for me, the suzuki has the air filter under the seat vs honda under the fuel tank. For that alone, I like the suzuki. Excellent review. Swapping back and forth is such a great idea. Loved the review and insanely helpful!!
I love the little peak at the front of the Suzuki. Very good looking bike
Suzuki gave a gift to us in the aftermarket - the muffler is huge, which is why it's so quiet, but the catalytic converters look tiny, there's barely any breadbox under the engine. Yank off the muffler, put on a cheap aftermarket slip on, you're down 8KGs and it'll totally wake up. It's the same with the SV650.
Fully stripped back V-Strom 800,with all the offroad mods done(18" rear wheel included) from Hessler, 238kg(Inc.14kg of fuel),Transalp modded the same,similar weight, but with only 11.2kg of fuel. A decat, and further pairing back, it should be possible to get to 199kg dry?
Why would you? A silent exhaust is a superior exhaust.
@@F3udF1st for the weight. I did smth similar on my 19 650 XT strom, changed the exhaust and the battery for lithium, gained 7 kilos. But honestly OP, gaining 8 kilos by just changing the pipe with a legal one at least, sounds really optimistic. More like 4 maybe 5 maximum if the original is indeed really heavy. Hessler btw uses the arrow system and on my V strom with that exhaust I gained about 3.6 kilos.
@@F3udF1st As an international truck driver, I can tell you,that's not true...I'm more likely to hear you than see you on the Perpherique around Paris, where I drive once a week!(RHD truck).
@@F3udF1st Well then looks like they nailed it for the people who like quiet bikes :)
Great testing of two brilliant bikes - fun and thorough! Running the bikes together and offering the views of two riders is a good format. I really enjoyed the video - thanks. Cheers.
Excellent comparison review guys. I think you've summed it up perfectly & distinguished the bikes characters from each other really well They've essentially got to a similar place in terms of end product but take slightly different routes to get there.
Glad you enjoyed it RR, we did enjoy making this one :-)
Thanks gents, great vid as ever, looking forward to seeing the Africa Twin against the new Vstrom DE👍
I would get the Honda, simply because it's a Honda and that means great after sales support and good resale value.
I really like this format. Great to get the quick switches from bike to bike it’s a more direct comparison plus two opinions instead of one. Well done.
I've owned two DL650s which I considered to be "pretend" adventure bikes. I liked them for their upright rider position, good visibility, and the wonderfully smooth v-twin. They were easier on my old hips and knees than most other types. Of these two, I think I would choose the Transalp. I like the styling better, and I ride 98% on road anyway. Fun video to watch, BTW.
Plus, you might be able to pick up the Honda. Not too sure about the DL.
ive had 3 vstrom 650s and a 1000, they aint pretend--- they will and do go anywhere and do anything a a ktm890 will do--- ive had one of them to, the vstrom is the best adv bike ever made and the best value--- this 800 will be my next,..... riders pretend--- the bike doesnt
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Love these comparison videos, being from Canada it's almost impossible to get a test ride, so your comparisons really help! thanks and keep up the great content
Great comparison. This is what comparisons should be like. Love your work boys. I’m not in the market but I think I’d go the Suzi because of the suspension and the dash looks better. But I’d love to ride both and see how they feel. Would be good bikes for me.
Good comparison. I wouldn't be bothered about not having hand guards and a bash plate as standard, as the bits you get are usually a joke, and get replaced straight away.
Absolutely bang on , I never order oem parts anyway, always shit quality, buy base and add yourself, unless quickshifter
It's a great design by Suzuki that you can actually see where you're going on a trail, no massive fairing to look over. Thanks
You don't realize what a gem of a bike the Transalp is, until you've owned one for a long time. Bullet proof, very forgiving when you're tired, you can carry crates of beer on it. So underrated.
Same can be said for The V-Strom
Don't forget that low hanging sump hidden by the exhaust on the Honda. That's the only down fall for off-road that I see. Great review.
Good point, that is a bad idea Honda.
Just rode both back to back in Oz . Suzuki hands down and I'm a Honda fanatic
What did you like better about the Suzuki? I've ridden it but not the Transalp.
@@chriskneifl3290 smoother power delivery of the engine and riding position for me being six foot 1 on the Suzuki. Both very important for this style of bike to me and my age of 50 plus
I just did the same thing. But for me its the other way around. Shows how important a test ride is =)
@@jaspreetbains2776I looked at both in Oz. But no lcd on the suzuki?
Boys epic stuff as usual! Having Gregorio in the video is always plus cause your interaction is very natural. Just two Mates talking about bikes! Keep it coming!!
Thanks matey!! :-)
I would definitely take the Suzuki. Fully adjustable suspension is big deal. When dialed in for your weight, a bike becomes amazing! IMHO. Plus the magic carpet ride of longer suspension is just lovely in the real world. Nice job on the reviews! No shade to the Honda. Looks like a great bike too!
Best review I've seen Awesome job guys. USA, picking up a Transalp tomorrow. Super excited.
Well do you like it?
Great comparison review. I'm really liking my new-to-me '18 V-Strom 1000 for commuting. The V-Strom 800 is a very compelling package for a comfy all-rounder.
Your "grunt" test race is really telling and one reason I went with the Suzuki. Coming from a cruiser background I really like having the power on demand in low and mid range over having to spin up the motor to red line to get my power. It is definitely a hard choice and if money was no concern I think I would have both plus hundreds more bikes in my garage because there are so many good bikes available these days.
You guys are awesome. I used to ride with a group and miss the fun. Looking at the Suzuki to end my riding career.
Man I really like the look of these Suzuki's. It's on my shortlist. Enough power and gear to supercruise on the highway at 75mph + plush suspension. Be a welcome change from the well uh slow and firm CB500X I'm riding now.
check the "new" 800 RE thats looks even better for the road
What a great comparison video, you and gregorio make a great team. I'm with you chops for me it would be the V-Strom, great looking bike and that colour scheme is beautiful. Personally the honda looks like a baby Africa twin which I'm not a fan of to be honest. I was out the other day and saw the V-Strom 10.50de, what an amazing looking bike. Well done guys, can't wait for the next comparison video.
Excellent video!! This comparison was exactly what I was looking for.
Out of the two adv bikes, Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE is the one to have!
More expensive and heavier with worse road manners. Seems like a bad choice
Congratulations! The first head to head on these two~ it will be VERY interesting what Yamaha does with a possible Tenere 900
Thanks Mikey!! Yes Tenere would be good in the mix as would the Aprilia
Yes! Get the 800 DE out there with the Twin. I'll probably end up with one of those two early next year.
Test rode the Transalp a few weeks ago and got one for my birthday. Picking it up from the dealer later today. Super stoked!
Update: Heavy rain. Picking it up tomorrow.
Hey, observations so far?
@@veljkovic92 Worth every peso.
The Transalp is what most 500x riders asked for. Maybe Rally Raid will come to the rescue on the suspension. Maybe there are going to be a-lot of used 500x’s at Honda dealers soon ;)
For me ill stick to my 500x. Love the 7/8 size, economy and do it all functionality.
However that DE would be fun to test out. Great video boys!
As fellow CB500X owner I have to agree,if the CB500X didn't do everything I wanted and asked of it,I'd be looking seriously at either of these two.But the CB500X is such a gem and always leaves me smiling and rarely leaves me wanting😊
I think that's the problem. I think that people wanted a smaller Africa Twin, not a bigger 500x.
@@simulacrae did they not get both?
@@johnwood4448 I don't think so, the electronics are simpler, the lok is more toward the 500x and the handling is more road focused. I can't think of the Transalp as a round the world bike.
Such a great video. Not just the specs but how does it feel. Also the voice audio is so much better than most videos. great job.
Much appreciated! 😁👍
I see the 800DE as the motorcycle you can ride long distances to get to your adventure and then ride that as well. Some folks have been calling the 800DE the DR800DE.
Its big enough to do freeways and highways, but handles itself well off road. Since I have been suffering thru the DL1000XAL8 not having the suspension travel and ground clearance and the silly 19" from tire, the 800 DE is a win for me.
The 800DE is not for hard enduro, I suppose, tho I always think that's more the rider than the bike, but the bike makes things easier for the rider.
well if you would spec them both the same, the suzi would be cheaper, because on honda you would have to go aftermarket fit suspention. Honda basically made tourer bike with just little higher suspension, where Suzuki made an all round adventure bike
YES! FInally! Yours is the first comparison between these two that Ive seen. Thank you sirs!
No problem 👍👍
Great comparison again Chops. I think these middleweight adventure bike's are the way to go for all-around every day use especially if you chuck in a bit of off roading every now and then. Personally I think that the Honda would look better in the red,white and blue colours but i am loving the look of that Suzuki. 😊👌. Hard decision 🤔
Fabulous group test boyz with all bases covered in a fun way,I’m mostly a road rider doing occasional tours & never really touch the dirt so I’ll best booking a demo ride on the Transalp. Keep up the great work Boys.
Perfect comparison. Waiting for 1050de vs the africa twin. Keep it up!
Such a great realistic comparison.Thanks.
i tested both and i think i would buy the Honda too.. the V-strom 800 (i own a v-strom 650Xt) is very nice .. but the Honda impressed me a little bit more on the rider positioning and the handling ..
I bought the Transalp. Its definately a fun bike to ride. Very comfortable. I agree about the footpegs being too far forward. There's a big weight differnce between these two bikes too, which probably helped the Honda on the acceleration test.
Searched your channel for a Tenere video. Didn't see one. Don't think I've ever heard you mention the Tenere. I chose one even knowing these are both on their way. It's simple, not expensive, sounds and looks amazing. Loving it :)
No unfortunately I have not tested one as yamaha wasn't working with me. I will be trying one soon though 👍
Two sweet bikes. Love the VStrom in the gray & yellow. 🤩
Good to see them both on your green lanes.
Liked and Sub'd.
I can't thank you guys enough for the review. I'm riding 136 miles tomorrow to hopefully test ride a 800DE that's on sale right now. I've had my eye on a Transalp but with the price difference on sale and the performance difference off road - it'll be enough to sway me.
This review was EXCELLENT.
Amazing review. For the most accurate gearbox and engine review, you should put Motul 7100 oil in both bikes. Motul oil completely changes a motorcycle into something better. It's maybe the only oil you can buy that actually dramatically improves the engine and gearbox. It felt like I had completely re-tuned my engine and installed a better clutch when I switched from special ordered Amsoil, to Motul 7100. The Amazon reviews indicate the same effect from thousands of other people who switched to Motul 7100.
Brilliant. Exactly what I needed to hear, as usual great review. Keep it up.
Thanks!! :-)
Team Suzuki ❤
I swore off Honda after owning the vfr1200x, but I sat in a transalp that fit like a glove, so I’m open to Honda again. However, the new v-strom is so beautiful and was also so comfortable, I would still take it if the right deal presented itself.
I’ll take the Suzuki
it's terrible on road and weighs way more !
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@@zach_6297it’s great on road lol.
Been waiting for this side by side. Thanks for putting this together! Really enjoyed it. I guess I’ll just have to ride them both once (if) the TransAlp makes it to the states. Currently riding a 2017 Vstrom 650
I agree! I have the 2017 V-Strom 650, also, and frankly it’s capable of most anything that I’m willing to do-(off highway and on a heavier bike than my trail bike). I’ve bashed my ‘bash-plate’ a couple of times, but that’s why I installed it.
I LOVE the looks of this TransAlp- but the look doesn’t make the ‘ride’! These both look like great bikes!
I just returned from a 2,000 mile ride into Western Canada; 3 of us on ADV’s (CB500X, & Honda DCT Africa Twin) and my bother, on a Gold Wing & 2 close friends on Victory & Indian tourers- (so all on pavement). I’d LOVE to try that same ride on either of these bikes!
Our 5th or 6th trip up there; Canada and the people are both awesome!!
Great test I'd say yr spot on Suzi seems better off road trans Alp little more toad. If I were actually going around the world or whatever I would pick the Suzi because of the sub frame in case of crash
Thanks for the review boys, they look like great bikes for the price. My pick goes with suzuki by a hair as i like the dirt but the only thing that annoys me with both of these bikes is a lack of OEM cruise control... that seems the only omission on face value that would add value to a long cruise down the highway.
You can get a good throttle lock for $30.
@@chadkline4268 yes you can but not quite the same as factory cruise. It feels more like a manufacturer decision to sell more 1050's as a "true" adventure bike. I don't understand why they don't have an option on the 800.
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I don't think it's so simple. First, people would not be happy with a simple lock. They would want speed maintenance so that the bike maintains speed up and down hills. And that means a much greater expense. At least, another throttle controller. Then, there is liability concerns such as being accused of the auto throttle control not turning off fast enough to prevent an accident. That is why some mfrs go so far as to couple cruise control with radar sensors to prevent collisions. And costs can skyrocket when a mfrs takes responsibility for the auto control of a bike. They might need to add tilt sensors so unreasonable speeds are not maintained around sharp curves, etc. It can get complex very quickly. Maybe you want a brake sensor to turn off the cruise control, etc.
@@chadkline4268 if you look across the brands, I agree it adds cost and complexity, but BMW does offer this option for their mid tier bikes for not much more.
Harley offers it for $250 so I'm sure these companies could do it for less. It's a lot easier with these bikes today being throttle by wire.
You two crack me up on the off-road... 😉 Of the whole crop of middle weight ADV bikes, I am going to have to get me a Suzuki 800DE to dip my boots into this adventure riding thing.
Make sure you take it on plenty of dirt roads, it's good on them. If you're not going off road get the honda
As always, excellent material! Lamb Chop Rides Rock! In my opinion, both motorcycles are excellent options! I think that the price of the Honda Transalp would be higher than the Vstrom if it had as standard similar suspension, hand guards, quick shifter and engine protector..... also, with all those options as standard on the Honda, the weight diference would be less.
Great video. Thanks. I like these bikes. Africa twin, GS1250.... Lovely but so much more than I'll ever want or need. 80hp is about right for me and I think these occupy a section in the market that that'll do well. I like that you didn't just list all the stats. Super. My choice would be Suzuki.
Great comparison, Honda is a lovely looking machine so is the suzuki ,
I'm not a lover of that end can on the suzuki doesn't look as good has the Honda,
The conversation between you always brings a smile
Thanks Martin! :-)
On Greg’s page with this , the Honda does it for me . More road based commuting, better gear box and brakes plus an engine with a sound track . The Suzuki is a good bike just for me personality not got the edge of the Honda .
Thank you for the video. Great job! I know I would be grateful to have either one.
I’ll make it easy
-Tubeless tires, (because tubes are for dirt bikes that have a rescue vehicle nearby).
-No more ground clearance/high center of gravity than necessary for the actual riding you will do.
Long travel suspension sounds great until you have to pick it up
Brilliant stuff real world thinking 🤔 biggest thing is both of you are good riders and honest in the reviews of the bikes ,, really enjoyed it 😁☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
Thanks Cecil 👍
Great side by side review. Honda seems to have pitched the TransAlp where they know the majority of buyers will use it. As a previous owner of an adventure bike how often do they actually go off road?
Depends on the rider and their location. Mine sees mostly dirt roads
Yea depends where you live. I live in the mountains of western Canada and have a dual sport and an adv bike. Adv bike still spends half its life offroad!
Really enjoyed this Comparo'.
Thanks for the lively comparison! Since you are two your comparisons would be perfect to include two-up pillion ride impressions as well.
Great review guys, what a choice, grunt or top end, but Hondas rarely go wrong in any respect, you pays your money and takes your choice! 👏👍😀
Keen on both these, just need to get my head round the headlight on the Transalp...
Great test, you gave an honest comparisons and opinions, very enjoyable to watch
Love these comparison reviews. Well done chaps 👍
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
If the 800 DE is anything like my new Suzuki 8S, it’ll be a great bike - I couldn’t be more pleased with the 8S, it’s a frikkin beaut.
I test rode the transalp recently and the hornet a couple of weeks back
Wow that engine, What a peach
Provide one of THE best engines on the market today ..
Greg , have you tried the Hornet yet ?
If not , You WILL love it 😊
I'm only 5' 8.5" tall amd 160lbs. If my legs were a couple of inches longer, I'd take the Suzuki in a heartbeat. But at my height and weight the Honda just makes way more sense. I'm on a V-Strom 650XT right now and that damn Honda is even lighter than that! Crazy.
Suzuki for me. I think only the price sells the Honda. But that is a personal opinion. The character in the engine might also sell a few but anything else goes to the Suzuki. If you want the Suzuki to be lighter put less fuel in. Plus it’s said it doesn’t feel its weight by reviewers.
I like where the Suzuki makes it's power lower in the range. In my opinion much more useable in day to day riding.
True, but a Honda NC750X is even better and spend the the money you have saved on purchase on topnotch suspension upgrade - best alround adventure tourer !!
Not my type of bikes but I still like watching you and Greg doing comparisons. Good job. 👍🏼
I appreciate that! 👍
great review guys love it!
I had the old vstrom 650 which was a bit boring in this case its Honda all the way, another nice review Chopsy all the best.
And did you had the old Transalp? It was double much boring than the old 650 V-Strom.. Dont compare old machines by choosing a new one. The new are totaly different than the old..
And be honest, nice “agressive”sound is good for “just for fun around the house” way, but for comfortable long distance travelling is silent engine with more power in lower torques much more better.. For me definitely V-Strom ❤.
Awesome video, cheers from Texas 🤠🍻
I would argue that the Honda doesn't necessarily have less torque in the mid range, it's just because the gearing is so tall. It's pulling a whisker under 4000rpm at 110kph! So it would be fairer to compare the acceleration from the the same revs rather than the same gear.
Based on looks alone I would choose the Suzuki.A Transalp came past me a couple of days ago and the only reason I knew it was a transalp was not because of its looks but because it was the white,red and blue colour way.
thing is the suzi looks better in real life, don't know about the transalp.
@@ioandragulescu6063 Suzuki looks ugly in real life, great engine though.
I’m 180 degrees the other direction. I think the Red, White and Blue Transalp looks very nice. The Suzuki looks uninspired with the atypical beak in front.
@@wirenut3020 same, I can't seem to like the beak design as much, it's not bad, just meh.
I will tell you what, recently suzuki and kawaski have been the Japanese brands that listen to the consumers the most and keep their ethos
Which bike is comfortable on long road trips? I'm talking all day rides with mixed pavement and gravel roads. I'm on the fence between the 2
Happy to have come across you Gentleman, you certainly have made it easy to choose, my 6 ft 220 lbs carcass would certainly prefer the Suzuki...Great vid!
Great fun video! Very informative as well as entertaining. Keep it up.
The Honda Transalp is the best sounding ADV bike ever made. There's nothing else that sounds as good with a fully stock exhaust. It's absolutely insanely awesome sounding. There are entire segments of reviews just doing sound performance drive by's to hear the beautiful sound.
africa twin? triumph tiger ?
Glad you guys had a good time. Funny comantarry enjoyed watching and laughing with you, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it 😁👍
With Transalp, you get the option to swap its tubed wheels with the Africa Twin tubeless wheels.
So, I own a 2019 crf250L Rally and am a former dl650 owner. Ive just found out about the 800de a couple days ago and have been drooling ever since.
Your videos have been great to watch and I’m finding myself looking at trade in values and such.
Perhaps I’ll wait until 2024 to see if any gremlins appear, and incentives as well.
Suzuki is well known for discounting prior year bikes in the beginning of a new year.
Great videos. Thanks for taking the time and greeting from Florida.
You always have some great reviews! No exception here You guys haveing so much fun ! Thanks for sharing I felt like I was on the third bike back ! Comentary was great ! I was waitin for an unscheduled dismount in the grass in the center of the green lane seems like its always a bit wet and at a slightly higher elevation!
Thanks Ben 👍
I live in northern Wisconsin USA, waiting for this transalp to get to Us ….. not sure why they delay models in either side of the water? The adventure segment is only growing in the US so again why the delay. Anyway great video and info !
Transalp all day long for me . they have a new aftermarket 220mm suspension for it that would make it on par with other adjustable suspensions out there. Plus the Honda looks much better.i would even pick it over the T7. 09 HP for 208 KG hard to beat for that price point. Honda nailed it with this bike i'm on the wait list here in US to grab one. Great video guys.
Nice comparison guys! Its weird how they do the pricing in different countries. In sweden the suzuki is 500 euro cheaper then the transalp...
Thanx for this review & the direct comperison of these Japanese Legends. Been looking forward to this. First i have seen in spoken English on TH-cam 👍
Honda wins because:
Lighter
More power & sound
Gearbox
Apperance
Reliability
Dealer network & parts
Cost of ownership
Its not perfect but Adequat.
The Power Of Dreams ❤
Best comparison on these two bikes on youtube
Got my Transalp for the same reason can do it all but awesome on road,
Chops love the bike comparisons and Greg is a natural keep up the good work.👍👍
Thanks 👍
Myself I like the Honda but I would like to know changing the air filter on the Honda itself Nice job on the video guys.
The airfilter on the Honda is located under the tank unfortunatly 👎
Buyer here, considering only V twins for their character, smoothness and sound.
Just rode the Transalp in white. I have a walkaround on my channel if you want to look. Great video btw.
One big thing to also consider if venturing off road or just touring is that the Honda has Tubless tires. The thought of breaking down a tire in the middle of nowhere on such heavy bikes is a deal breaker for many. Most flats can be dealt with by just putting a plug in and filling up with air to get you somewhere else. Suzuki should get on that.The old vstrom 650 has spoked wheels and tubless tires.
Ordered a transalp today, really looking forward to it 🏍🏍
You Guys are bringig everything to the point.
Great test from crzy riders.
Thanx for this Test 👍👍👍
When's the Hornet Vs GSX-8S comparison test coming? As a new hornet owner I want to see one of your acceleration side by side tests to see if the Hornet loses out because of its so called lack of bottom end which I haven't found at all 🤔