Cover your crops with netting, you will save your cauliflowers and onions. Leaf miner is born from a fly, if it can't get to your crops, no leaf miners. We have our entire plot netted (36 raised beds) saves getting rust too 🌱
Have you tried growing a carpet of chamomile flowers in with your onions and garlic, it stops the weeds and apparently improves the taste of the onions and garlic?
Awww Tony I really feel for ya. It was like watching The Apocalypse. Last month I was busy making a new raised bed for cabbage. Spent two hours filling bed with cardboard, fertiliser, compost, cow muck more compost. Turn round to get the cabbages and the Bl**dy pigeons had them. Planted them anyway and they’ve recovered. Netted them straight away then the pigeon flew off in a huff 😂😂 Just started my second year on the allotment this month.
Here in Shropshire for many years. Onions, leeks, elephant garlic(alium leaf miner) and carrots ( carrot root fly) have to be micro meshed else crops will be trashed. Made netted frames that can be moved around the allotment. Have also seen on youtube allotmenteers making meshed frames to fit specific raised beds. For some pests there are multiple hatches each year so I cover as soon as sets, plants or seeds in the case of carrots go in the ground.
Hi Tony. Our entire allotment was affected by the Allium Leaf Miner this year. It has never been a problem before. Only those who covered with mesh escaped it. All onions and shallots were ruined and had to be destroyed. It also got into the Elephant Garlic and other garlics, although I’m peeling back multiple layers to try and get the pupaes, but it’s not looking good. Apparently it started in the Midlands 21 years ago and has been making its way up the country. More mesh next year!
With the allium leaf miner, I would leave the onions to mature, then prep them and stock up the freezer. On an allotment there's no point in trying to destroy the grubs unless everybody else does it at the same time.
Good day Tony . Same at our allotments in the east midlands Allium leaf miner all over the plots , first time it has effected us . Pigeons been a problem as well this year if not netted then expect to see the same as yours , on a plus side my broad beans are looking good and expecting to pick tomatoes next week .
Lost all my onions last season - rescued 6 from about 150 sets - proper gutted. The grubs can persist in the ground I think so this season I just did 20 or so in the poly tunnel as they've never had any alliums in there - I hate Allium leaf miners! - some of my garlic was also affected but it's easier to simply split the bulbs and clear the beggars out. There's always next year mate, good luck
I had allium leaf miner bad this year. Had to pull all of my leeks, shalloots and some spring onions. If you pull one and peel it layer by layer you can find the grub burrowing down the stem. They hibernate in the soil. The only prevention is to grow elsewhere and net with insect mesh.
Hi Tony, so sorry you have all these problems with with onions and garlic. As people have earlier advised to cover with netting next Year. My onions are fine but mu gatlic got rust last year and rhis year so, im going.g to net my garlic & onions next season just to be extra sure I don't get keaf miner. Thanks for sharing and take care 😊
Sad about your onions, sounds like a moment for JB's "whats the bloody point" comment. But, that young garlic you pulled and threw towards the compost can be usefully used as Green Garlic where you use the whole immature plant stem and all. It is quite a delicacy and can be grown alongside the maincrop garlic but harvested while immature - can also be sown in the spring. Steve from 'Steve's Seaside Kitchen Garden & Allotment' vlogg does this and explains about it in his free Ebook.
I have had allium leaf miner in Garlic and Leek but never in Onions. I have had my onions look all curled like that before because of hot and dry weather, and they have recovered so you might want to wait and see. If it is allium leaf miner you should see a line on the leaf where the larva has tunneled down into the bulb. Any allium with allium leaf miner needs to be harvested and frozen to prevent rotting. We have to net alliums in the spring and autumn to protect from them.
If it’s not allium leaf minor it could onion fly where they lay eggs & maggots eat the roots. Both symptoms are similar. Wiped out my crop. RHS states burn infected crops
Your getting it all this year Tony I’m so sorry for you,most of my onion sets bolted due to the heat but the seed sown ones are so far doing fine , so for me it’s going to be seeds from now on, fingers crossed I haven’t come across onion leaf minor down in Cornwall , but at least I’ll know what I’m looking for, Some of my garlic is smaller but still useable don’t chuck it away, also I wouldn’t compost the bad onions I’d chuck them in the rubbish . Hope things get better for you 🤞
I have the same issue with some of my onions for the very first time, but I'm letting them get on with it. My polytunnel garlic is fantastic but nearly all of my beetroot has bolted. Sugar snap peas have been really good too. The pigeons have stripped the fruit from both of my cherry trees and have taken the young leaves as well.
I've only really started growing anything but i've been following you for a wee while now and getting lots of tips. Started small with tomatoes onions potatoes and peppers ...Found my first potato just sitting on the top of the sack Strawberries are coming along nice as well Nothing from the onions as yet and my tomatoes aren't showing anything yet but there's still time ....If i do well i am going to have a go with a allotment
Allium leaf miner is a spreading issue. Most allotments now have it and I have seen it in my back garden veg plot when my elephant garlic last year had a small infestation. I use enviromesh insect netting on my garlic and onions normally and I did't net my five Elephant garlic plants, and three had some of miner pupae in them. I will always net any alliums, leeks garlic and onions now. And you can't grow alliums in the bed next year where you have an infestation as any pupae and flies can overwinter in the soil, so even if you net early enough you could still get an issue next season. Best to not grow them there again just for next year. As another subscriber below has already said, you can still use the onions by just chopping out the worst bits and freezing the chopped onions instead. They wont be any good for storing whole but are still good for eating. Bl00dy pigeons are a pain for sure. Fingers crossed the brassicas that were affected make a string come back for you.
Tony i had the same, built beds filled them, planted cabbages and cauliflowers , then the damn foxes dug them all up, they pulled the netting off to dig.yes then the pigeons had there feed
Consider yourself blessed it hasn't hit you before now Tony .Have had to enviromesh all alliums from planting onwards .Along with my carrots for past three years .Brassicas are always netted even in cold frame .The only things I can grow without nets are Courgettes,squash ,chard and lettuce .
Yep and leaf beat miner gets the chard and beetroot for me. My climbing beans that you can’t net have black fly on them for the first time ever, no sign of ladybirds like years gone by 😕. How do the farmers do it…. Apart from all the chemicals we’re trying to avoid!
@@vickyjones3196 what did I find when I went down to my garden Lottie ?Leaf miner " on both my chard and beets and blackfly on my French beans ! What a weird year ☹️
I almost don’t care about the garlic bulbs. I grow hardneck for the scapes! Yum! And sorry I can’t help with the onion issue. I never have luck with onions.
Id the exact same pidgeon problem within 24hrs. Also I dont find outdoor garlic works for me anymore. Always gets rust and are tiny. Having great success doing them in the tunnel over winter.
Allium leaf minor digs into the soil, sodont plant allium in that spot for a year. Some people's beetroot is also being attacked by a leaf minor, so it looks like more nets are needed!
Hi Tony, I feel your pain re: allium leaf miner. It’s so bad with us on our plot that next year we are giving onions, garlic and leeks a miss. It’s soul destroying! Hey at least you had a decent strawberry!
Those leaves on thje onion do look like leaf miner. Last year I had all my alliums wiped out in Newcastle by it so it is up here now. Cut one open and look for the red pupar or the white grubs. I thought I saw a white scar/hole on the leaf that came off.
Hi tony some of my onions had the curly leaves I have never seen that b4 I left them and they have grown out of it it’s disappeared and the onions look fine so I don’t know what it was but the onions ok now
I feel fir you Tiny! Id net just about anything those pigeons will eat! About the leaf minors, do you have to be careful not to put any if the plants in your compost? Can you just use a different bed next year and give it a good netting to see if it can help? Onions grown in big pots in your patio as a last resort???
Allium leaf miner all over our plot this year and my home garden as well, never been a problem before, now its absolutely rife. Stupidly ive had onions dotted all around almost every bed at plot so not sure what ill do next year, bloody nightmare
Had so much rain here in County Durham, the weight of all the water has brought trees down on the path to my allotment. It was like an episode of ninja warrior tonight trying to get up to water the tomatoes 😂
allium leaf miner. look for entry holes in the leaves every time you are at the lotty. be vigilant. as soon as you see the holes strip that leaf from the plant. if you do it early enough you will catch the maggot before it gets to the bulb.
The brassicas may come back if the root is good and you have some green leaves left. Have a small cold frame in a shady part of the garden for seedlings and have a frame of chicken wire to protect from birds. Leaf minor can be avoided if you net with less than 3 mm netting. That’s the heart of gardening having another go and allways checking.
Oh dear, Tony, you will be alright. Take the affected leaves off and see what happens :) It's not a shit show, these things happen in our garden. Its reality. Not everything is hunky-dory in our gardens LOL
Not sure if someone has already said but you can eat that garlic fresh 😁 I find it sooo hard to wait for them to bulb up so I eat them little. Go to use instead of an onion x
Hi Tony you’re so lucky to have had so much rain, we had about enough to barely wet the patio, still I ‘ve just hung out my washing so perhaps we’ll have a downpour, fingers crossed😅
This reminds me of a runner bean scenario in the enormous heatwave last year, my beans grew at an enormous rate green, beautiful red flowers whilst other peoples were heat damaged, I thought i was dead lucky till went to pick them no beans came nothing zilch and it stayed that way .....
Hi tony I feed the pigeons in my garden and they have paid me back by stripping my gooseberries, just the leaves mind you. I had them netted as well. Little sh**s. Not touched anything else FOR NOW. Peace 🧚🏻♀️
It all looks pretty good to me Tony! The allium leaf miner I’m sure you can net against, Muddybootz does it where they have it quite bad in the midlands. It’s more of the pain in the ar$> nets but might protect your other crops, I’m just waiting for it to hit our site in the north west 🫣. I’m thinking I’m gonna net my leeks anyways, they’re precious for us in winter X
What's better than pigeons stripping young greens in the spring? Pigeons landing on sprouts and kale in he Autumn and leaving their calling card on the plant.
tony can you try and confirm allium leaf miner for us please by a close up of a plant and chopping it up to look for little burrowing bugs 🐛 always understood it was a down thing, and as am only 7 mile south of you am really hoping its not Barry
Allium leaf miner: I'm not an expert, just a victim. 1st year lost 80% of onions, next year I grew zero onions, the following year lost about 10%, this year looks like I got it bad again. I continued to grow garlic, leeks and chives, which in hindsight, probably allowed them to exist just enough to come back. If you don't pull them, they'll probably rot, if not they allow the cycle to repeat since they have at least two hatches in the year. And if you do pull them, don't put in compost.
Cover your crops with netting, you will save your cauliflowers and onions. Leaf miner is born from a fly, if it can't get to your crops, no leaf miners. We have our entire plot netted (36 raised beds) saves getting rust too 🌱
Have you tried growing a carpet of chamomile flowers in with your onions and garlic, it stops the weeds and apparently improves the taste of the onions and garlic?
Awww Tony I really feel for ya. It was like watching The Apocalypse.
Last month I was busy making a new raised bed for cabbage. Spent two hours filling bed with cardboard, fertiliser, compost, cow muck more compost. Turn round to get the cabbages and the Bl**dy pigeons had them. Planted them anyway and they’ve recovered. Netted them straight away then the pigeon flew off in a huff 😂😂
Just started my second year on the allotment this month.
Here in Shropshire for many years. Onions, leeks, elephant garlic(alium leaf miner) and carrots ( carrot root fly) have to be micro meshed else crops will be trashed. Made netted frames that can be moved around the allotment. Have also seen on youtube allotmenteers making meshed frames to fit specific raised beds. For some pests there are multiple hatches each year so I cover as soon as sets, plants or seeds in the case of carrots go in the ground.
Ruddy pigeons stripped all my brassicas. Netted them and they are all bouncing back so in the same boat fella.
Hi Tony. Our entire allotment was affected by the Allium Leaf Miner this year. It has never been a problem before. Only those who covered with mesh escaped it. All onions and shallots were ruined and had to be destroyed. It also got into the Elephant Garlic and other garlics, although I’m peeling back multiple layers to try and get the pupaes, but it’s not looking good. Apparently it started in the Midlands 21 years ago and has been making its way up the country. More mesh next year!
With the allium leaf miner, I would leave the onions to mature, then prep them and stock up the freezer. On an allotment there's no point in trying to destroy the grubs unless everybody else does it at the same time.
I did this after my over winter onions were full of grubs. Managed two decent bags of chopped onions in the end.
Good day Tony . Same at our allotments in the east midlands Allium leaf miner all over the plots , first time it has effected us . Pigeons been a problem as well this year if not netted then expect to see the same as yours , on a plus side my broad beans are looking good and expecting to pick tomatoes next week .
Lost all my onions last season - rescued 6 from about 150 sets - proper gutted. The grubs can persist in the ground I think so this season I just did 20 or so in the poly tunnel as they've never had any alliums in there - I hate Allium leaf miners! - some of my garlic was also affected but it's easier to simply split the bulbs and clear the beggars out. There's always next year mate, good luck
Tony, with the onion white rot don't put them onto the compost bin destroy them.
I had allium leaf miner bad this year. Had to pull all of my leeks, shalloots and some spring onions. If you pull one and peel it layer by layer you can find the grub burrowing down the stem. They hibernate in the soil. The only prevention is to grow elsewhere and net with insect mesh.
Hi Tony, so sorry you have all these problems with with onions and garlic. As people have earlier advised to cover with netting next Year. My onions are fine but mu gatlic got rust last year and rhis year so, im going.g to net my garlic & onions next season just to be extra sure I don't get keaf miner. Thanks for sharing and take care 😊
Sad about your onions, sounds like a moment for JB's "whats the bloody point" comment. But, that young garlic you pulled and threw towards the compost can be usefully used as Green Garlic where you use the whole immature plant stem and all. It is quite a delicacy and can be grown alongside the maincrop garlic but harvested while immature - can also be sown in the spring. Steve from 'Steve's Seaside Kitchen Garden & Allotment' vlogg does this and explains about it in his free Ebook.
I have had allium leaf miner in Garlic and Leek but never in Onions. I have had my onions look all curled like that before because of hot and dry weather, and they have recovered so you might want to wait and see. If it is allium leaf miner you should see a line on the leaf where the larva has tunneled down into the bulb. Any allium with allium leaf miner needs to be harvested and frozen to prevent rotting. We have to net alliums in the spring and autumn to protect from them.
Mine were all nibbled by the pigeons but after netting them they’ve all come back and looking much better now.
If it’s not allium leaf minor it could onion fly where they lay eggs & maggots eat the roots. Both symptoms are similar. Wiped out my crop. RHS states burn infected crops
Your getting it all this year Tony I’m so sorry for you,most of my onion sets bolted due to the heat but the seed sown ones are so far doing fine , so for me it’s going to be seeds from now on, fingers crossed I haven’t come across onion leaf minor down in Cornwall , but at least I’ll know what I’m looking for, Some of my garlic is smaller but still useable don’t chuck it away, also I wouldn’t compost the bad onions I’d chuck them in the rubbish . Hope things get better for you 🤞
I came back from a week holiday yesterday. My allotment is a crap show lol
Got rust on my garlic and allium leaf miner in my onions and shallots. All the information I've read says pull them and burn them
Allium leaf miner, get some enviromesh over any that are clear or future onions, leeks. There will be second round of the little horrors in September
I have the same issue with some of my onions for the very first time, but I'm letting them get on with it. My polytunnel garlic is fantastic but nearly all of my beetroot has bolted. Sugar snap peas have been really good too. The pigeons have stripped the fruit from both of my cherry trees and have taken the young leaves as well.
Looks like allium leaf miner, Tony. I always cover my leeks and onions now with a fine mesh to prevent it...
I've only really started growing anything but i've been following you for a wee while now and getting lots of tips. Started small with tomatoes onions potatoes and peppers ...Found my first potato just sitting on the top of the sack Strawberries are coming along nice as well Nothing from the onions as yet and my tomatoes aren't showing anything yet but there's still time ....If i do well i am going to have a go with a allotment
I've not grown onions or leeks this year I lost all my onions and leeks last year I had to bin the lot
Allium leaf miner is a spreading issue. Most allotments now have it and I have seen it in my back garden veg plot when my elephant garlic last year had a small infestation. I use enviromesh insect netting on my garlic and onions normally and I did't net my five Elephant garlic plants, and three had some of miner pupae in them. I will always net any alliums, leeks garlic and onions now. And you can't grow alliums in the bed next year where you have an infestation as any pupae and flies can overwinter in the soil, so even if you net early enough you could still get an issue next season. Best to not grow them there again just for next year.
As another subscriber below has already said, you can still use the onions by just chopping out the worst bits and freezing the chopped onions instead. They wont be any good for storing whole but are still good for eating.
Bl00dy pigeons are a pain for sure. Fingers crossed the brassicas that were affected make a string come back for you.
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My garlic has been a shocker this year, really small. Pigeons w’rs had my peas …. A few curse words were said
Tony i had the same, built beds filled them, planted cabbages and cauliflowers , then the damn foxes dug them all up, they pulled the netting off to dig.yes then the pigeons had there feed
Consider yourself blessed it hasn't hit you before now Tony .Have had to enviromesh all alliums from planting onwards .Along with my carrots for past three years .Brassicas are always netted even in cold frame .The only things I can grow without nets are Courgettes,squash ,chard and lettuce .
Yep and leaf beat miner gets the chard and beetroot for me. My climbing beans that you can’t net have black fly on them for the first time ever, no sign of ladybirds like years gone by 😕. How do the farmers do it…. Apart from all the chemicals we’re trying to avoid!
@@vickyjones3196 what did I find when I went down to my garden Lottie ?Leaf miner " on both my chard and beets and blackfly on my French beans ! What a weird year ☹️
Hi Tony sorry about your garlic & onions it’s a terrible tragedy bloody hell lv Irene 😘 xx
Our whole allotment has lost our onions. Next season we are going to cover with enviromesh. Then the miner cant get them.
I almost don’t care about the garlic bulbs. I grow hardneck for the scapes! Yum! And sorry I can’t help with the onion issue. I never have luck with onions.
Id the exact same pidgeon problem within 24hrs.
Also I dont find outdoor garlic works for me anymore. Always gets rust and are tiny. Having great success doing them in the tunnel over winter.
I’ve had allium leaf miner on m
Allium leaf minor digs into the soil, sodont plant allium in that spot for a year.
Some people's beetroot is also being attacked by a leaf minor, so it looks like more nets are needed!
Hi Tony how often would u recommend feeding tomatoes
Hi Tony, I feel your pain re: allium leaf miner. It’s so bad with us on our plot that next year we are giving onions, garlic and leeks a miss. It’s soul destroying! Hey at least you had a decent strawberry!
Those leaves on thje onion do look like leaf miner. Last year I had all my alliums wiped out in Newcastle by it so it is up here now. Cut one open and look for the red pupar or the white grubs. I thought I saw a white scar/hole on the leaf that came off.
Hi tony some of my onions had the curly leaves I have never seen that b4 I left them and they have grown out of it it’s disappeared and the onions look fine so I don’t know what it was but the onions ok now
Tough day Tony. Though you can grow a mean weed.
I feel fir you Tiny! Id net just about anything those pigeons will eat! About the leaf minors, do you have to be careful not to put any if the plants in your compost? Can you just use a different bed next year and give it a good netting to see if it can help? Onions grown in big pots in your patio as a last resort???
It is leaf miner, you'll find little grubs in your onions now :/
Also- the rot on the garlic comes from the ground rather than the bulbs
I would pull just the ones that have the leaf miner. Just the infected!
Allium leaf miner all over our plot this year and my home garden as well, never been a problem before, now its absolutely rife. Stupidly ive had onions dotted all around almost every bed at plot so not sure what ill do next year, bloody nightmare
I watched Daves allotment garden latest video this morning & his onions were exactly the same.
Had so much rain here in County Durham, the weight of all the water has brought trees down on the path to my allotment. It was like an episode of ninja warrior tonight trying to get up to water the tomatoes 😂
allium leaf miner. look for entry holes in the leaves every time you are at the lotty. be vigilant. as soon as you see the holes strip that leaf from the plant. if you do it early enough you will catch the maggot before it gets to the bulb.
Why, oh why aren’t all your beds covered? No pigeon problem; no onion leaf miner; no cabbage white. Problems sorted.
Q what have the pigeons stripped???? You never actually say, unless I missed it. The downpour was a welcome watering, it's done my veg good
The brassicas may come back if the root is good and you have some green leaves left. Have a small cold frame in a shady part of the garden for seedlings and have a frame of chicken wire to protect from birds. Leaf minor can be avoided if you net with less than 3 mm netting. That’s the heart of gardening having another go and allways checking.
Seems to only affect my leaks, covering them with micro mesh seems to do the trick. 🤞🤞
Tony are you 100% sure its Leaf Miner. The reason I ask is because I had THRIPS on mine and it also curls the leaves as well. Just a thought 🤔
Gone now 😅
Oh dear, Tony, you will be alright. Take the affected leaves off and see what happens :) It's not a shit show, these things happen in our garden. Its reality. Not everything is hunky-dory in our gardens LOL
Not sure if someone has already said but you can eat that garlic fresh 😁 I find it sooo hard to wait for them to bulb up so I eat them little. Go to use instead of an onion x
Your lucky you can water your garden mate, Devon & Cornwall hosepipe ban till Xmas. Bloody hard work with watering cans, we’re all struggling Tony😤
Curly Wurly onions,
Hi Tony you’re so lucky to have had so much rain, we had about enough to barely wet the patio, still I ‘ve just hung out my washing so perhaps we’ll have a downpour, fingers crossed😅
I’m giving up with garlic I can’t beat the white rot
This reminds me of a runner bean scenario in the enormous heatwave last year, my beans grew at an enormous rate green, beautiful red flowers whilst other peoples were heat damaged, I thought i was dead lucky till went to pick them no beans came nothing zilch and it stayed that way .....
Hey Tony! Don’t despair chuck! Ps hope you don’t mind me asking… I know it’s still raw but did you say Potty mouth club was starting again on 19th?
Hi tony I feed the pigeons in my garden and they have paid me back by stripping my gooseberries, just the leaves mind you. I had them netted as well. Little sh**s. Not touched anything else FOR NOW. Peace 🧚🏻♀️
It all looks pretty good to me Tony! The allium leaf miner I’m sure you can net against, Muddybootz does it where they have it quite bad in the midlands. It’s more of the pain in the ar$> nets but might protect your other crops, I’m just waiting for it to hit our site in the north west 🫣. I’m thinking I’m gonna net my leeks anyways, they’re precious for us in winter X
What's better than pigeons stripping young greens in the spring? Pigeons landing on sprouts and kale in he Autumn and leaving their calling card on the plant.
Looks like Allium leaf miner damage on the onions
tony can you try and confirm allium leaf miner for us please by a close up of a plant and chopping it up to look for little burrowing bugs 🐛 always understood it was a down thing, and as am only 7 mile south of you am really hoping its not Barry
Hi.Nice video
Any vegan bacon
It's like man-eating tigers - once those pigeons have a taste for it
Allium leaf miner: I'm not an expert, just a victim. 1st year lost 80% of onions, next year I grew zero onions, the following year lost about 10%, this year looks like I got it bad again. I continued to grow garlic, leeks and chives, which in hindsight, probably allowed them to exist just enough to come back. If you don't pull them, they'll probably rot, if not they allow the cycle to repeat since they have at least two hatches in the year. And if you do pull them, don't put in compost.
One step at a time......
Since you didn’t mention it, I guess Pottymouth is still on hiatus?
Don’t be too hasty
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burn the onions
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It's a shame pigeon pie went out of fashion.
They will come back. And so will the pigeons. If I lived nearer, I'd lend you my cats. They love to kill pigeons.