I am Dutch. This makes me think about my niece (4 y/o). I asked (of course in Dutch) the color of her dress. She answered in English "yellow". Sigh..... Still, I don't think that Dutch will go extinct. We had these periods before (like ages of French dominance in higher classes). Such periods change the Dutch language, but never eradicate it. Ask the Flemish. They still speak Dutch despite ages of repression of and contempt for their language.
I hope so. Replacing your language at university level is the first step in demoting it to a lesser language. The English banned Irish from Irish universities to signal that they and the language were in charge. Irish was the language of scholars. Their aim was to associate English with education and power and Irish with backwardness. It had catastrophic consequences.
@@peteymax True. Language can indeed serve as an instrument of suppression. But in the Dutch case, there is another situation. The language of science worldwide is English. It used to be latin. But in general, I think the language is not kept alive by the elites, but by the commoners.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Good point. I hope you’re correct and Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, and other beautiful languages all survive with full community and academic status and you don’t have the battle we have trying to preserve An Gaeilge in a hyper-globalised world. Sláinte, beste wensen.
@ronaldderooij1774 Ge hebt geluk dat gij Nederlander zijt. You speak English and German at the same time. When I heard Heintje Simons sang "Heerlijk Zonlicht", I got surprised. In the first line of his song he said, "De storm is over, weg is nu de regen...".
I cannot believe this. At my work they were looking for some one who can speak English. Most people cannot and know only some basic sentences. There is a difference in the capitalcity Amsterdam and outside the capitalcity.
Ik woon pas een mand in Nederland en ik heb een paar mensen gezien die geen Engels spreken of niet willen spreken. Maar ik vind dat jonge Nederlanders heel goed Engels spreken en als je als ober of kassier werkt, moet je ook heel goed Engels spreken. Pardon voor mijn slechte Nederlands, ik ben aan het leren.
This is very fascinating to know. I'm learning Dutch (and other languages) and I've already learned English (it isn't my mother tongue). Dutch is similar to English in the beginning. However, the more you learn Dutch, the less similar it becomes. English has many words which come from French or Latin. Dutch doesn't have so many of them. Also, Dutch word order is different from English. Sure, basic sentences have the same word order but the more complex the sentence is, the more different the word order will be. Either way, there's no doubt that Dutch is still very similar to English (and German too). That's a huge advantage. I wish my country followed this mindset with the English language. Unfortunately I know it won't happen anytime soon.
I hope that the Dutch language never dies and expands in the future, however I studied linguistics, language acquisition and bilingual education, and coming from a country subordinated politically and economically to an English speaking nation, while having a different language, I fear that Dutch lovers should be aware such a powerful language could surpass Dutch, in a short time if some changes are not made. I read of situations of native languages turning into a creole, education especially in universities all in English, and worst of all of some native people not teaching their kids their native language but English and belittle anyone who insists in keeping the original tongue, and assuming that anything in English is far superior to anything in the local language. I had seem all that. English is an useful tool which we use to communicate with the world, no doubt about it, but it should not replace the mother tongue in which we love, cry , learn, think, have opinions, and in general live and die. The lost of Dutch, will be a great loss not only for Netherlands but for humanity.
@@metalvideos1961 sure, but most of us have a very distinct accent when speaking English. some have it more than others but it's almost always there to some degree. just like it's pretty easy to hear the difference between British English, American English and Australian English.
@@ronaldderooij1774 yes, to an English speaker a Dutch person has a very particular g sound and their s is almost sh. P.S.: that’s not a bad thing or a criticism, it’s a really nice accent. Just distinct.
The Dutch are amazing at speaking English for all the reasons you talk about. But with other languages they are just the same as everyone else. I was really taken aback a few years ago when I met a Dutch person in Spain where I was living at the time who I was told spoke Spanish fluently. I automatically presumed she would be better than me even though I actually studied Spanish at university. She was Dutch. Of course she would speak Spanish pefectly. I was SO relieved when I found out my Spanish was way better than hers. And I also remember her being a bit surprised too.
Interesting! Thank you. I wish you had allowed TH-cam to auto-generate captions. All it takes is a one time checkbox in Creator Studio. I can't imagine why TH-cam doesn't make it the default setting.
That's why my German is at A1, or A2 at max. I like German, I listen to German music. But I never had a need in it. Whilst I had to know English and Spanish therefore I learned them. Also, I have never been to German speaking countries. Neither for school, work or vacation. And so I struggle with my German. I put myself in strict condition to make me read and watch things in German, but my life doesn't depend on it and so I ease it away.
That’s not an excuse. I’ve never been to Germany for school or work and I’ve only visited 2 times for less thank 2 weeks in total and my German is C1 level (I have a certificate).
Audrey Hepburn her mother was Dutch. So it''s not a surprise that she speak Dutch. She lived in her young days in The Netherlands and Great Britain. She also learnt French and Deutsch at school. As the most dutchies do. Only French not so much.
Now it makes sense about advertising in the Netherlands. When I lived there briefly in 2017, I notice a lot of English slogans, phrases and captions used in advertising media there which I initially found bizarre.
Over een paar jaar draaien ze wel weer bij. Er is al een wet in de maak om de universiteiten weer Nederlandstalig te maken en gezien meer dan 80% de immigratie naar beneden wil (zie eenvandaag), is het politiek erg aantrekkelijk weer normaal te doen.
Mee eens. Maar ik vind het ontzettend belangrijk om immigratie te hebben. We hebben veel te weinig kinderen om de bevolking op peil te houden en we worden allemaal ouder. Dus immigranten zijn hard, hard nodig. Dus we moeten echt veel meer huizen bouwen.
Be careful Dutch people, mind your own language. English has become such a pervasive language, a beautiful language like others but it has become so generic when spoken as a second language. Remember, once whole generations of speakers of any language start studying at university level in English or any international language the next generation is given the clear message that their native language is inferior to, in the case of the Netherlands, the English language. If you replace your language at post-grad level it will begin to decline in quality and prestige. Be careful Dutch speakers.
@@Sphinxgamingworld9942 Yes, and more. It’s communication, identity, history, culture, daily living. It’s sad when a young person does not know the meaning of the name of their town, when someone cannot describe their PhD in their native language, or when an entire population succumbs to colonists’ language under the pressure of trying to have a decent life for them and their children. Think Ireland, I hope Ísiltír never experiences what my country endured.
@@peteymax Yeah it’s very sad what happened to the Irish language. As a native Spanish speaker living in the USA, I have retained my Spanish language and identity, often watching media content in both Spanish and English. What tends to happen with TH-cam or the internet is that native speakers of languages that aren’t global tend to watch content in English because barely anyone makes content in their native language. Whereas in Spanish, there is plenty of content here on TH-cam, so I’m not always just consuming English content.
I hope Indonesia follow the dutch in terms of English language: Mandatory Language, English made official or recognized isn't necessary just mandatory language 🇺🇸🇮🇩🇳🇱
Actually in 1993 the EEC became the EC, the EU was later. There was no big change in education. Kids learned 2 or 3 foreign languages depending on their level way before, pre WWII, simply those of the countries around us, that little stretch of water in front of Britain has never bothered the Dutch very much. So it also happened to be the languages of the main European powers and economies so it wasn't very difficult to figure out which ones to learn the children. Dutch might be closest to English, English is not closest to Dutch, that's German. French was often skipped at the lower levels because it's harder, less close to Dutch. Exposure faded especially since the 70's and in particular compared to English which exposure expoded, thanks to the USA much more than the UK. Also more than German, allthough German TV was recieved before cable, but German music of those days... at least the French had chansons. German also lost a lot of enthousiasm after the War, but in the East that restored pretty quickly because of exposure, regional economic interests and actually dealing with post WWII Germans, while in the hard hit West resentment remained for much longer. But the generation that was born in the 30's and 40's from a median education level speaks German and English and most should be able to reproduce some French still, but tend to be reasonably fluent if they have maintained it, by vacations to France for example. The main difference is that their accent is much heavier because that is about exposure at a young age, and that age has kept dropping hugely for English in the past decades. That's also why the foreign language education for the youngest children, they have an exceptional abiltiy to pick up on languages and it would a shame to waste that phase in development. Also, every next foreign language gets easier because there is learning a foreign language and foreign language learning, which do overlap but aren't the same.
As a tourist with relatively fluent English, I found myself comfortable while in Amsterdam, as in London Since I am able to start a conversation with local ppl, ordering meal, buying ticket, ALL in English...wicked It's unfair that they have to take IELTS when applying Universities from English speaking countries Despite they should score pretty high on those tests. btw, I think their English helps, particularly those footballers who looking for top English clubs, without language barrier.
Dutch is definitely merging with English. Words like “weird”, “creepy”, “awkward”, “fun”, “fake”, “whatever”, “cool”, “not done”, “heavy” are taking over and were never used 30 years ago.
I keep saying it's a myth. The Dutch do not speak English any better than Germans and most definitely not any better than Scandinavians. The Dutch (Dütch, Trümp, üpdate, pick-üp trück) are just brimming with confidence - that's all it is.
It is not that we dutch are so good, it is just unbelievable stupid how other countries are so bad when it comes to speaking more then just their own language.
Would be great if the Netherlands followed Ireland, the UK and Malta into having English as a main language alongside Dutch. Then all 4 would be the only nations to have English as an official language alongside their 2nd (or 3rd or 4th)
No, it would not be. It is not a native language to any group except for expats, and it would exclude working and middle-class families and people from outside of the Randstad area. Also I would like to mention that Ireland is trying to make people switch to Irish.
In a sence, we are almost there already. Yes, English has no official status and indeed, in private we speak Dutch only. But many consider English as the second language of the Netherlands. Fun fact, English only has an official status at the tiny island of Saba in the Carribbean. Nobody speaks a word of Dutch there. The people descended from Irish sailors, I believe (not sure about that).
@@Designer_TopG I have just visited the Netherlands for the first time. The people seem very nice. I don’t know about being employed but I think it could be possible. Most people seem to speak English fairly well. I heard there’s a bit of a reaction away from speaking English as some people feel it dilutes their culture. I can see their point.
I am Dutch. This makes me think about my niece (4 y/o). I asked (of course in Dutch) the color of her dress. She answered in English "yellow". Sigh..... Still, I don't think that Dutch will go extinct. We had these periods before (like ages of French dominance in higher classes). Such periods change the Dutch language, but never eradicate it. Ask the Flemish. They still speak Dutch despite ages of repression of and contempt for their language.
I hope so. Replacing your language at university level is the first step in demoting it to a lesser language. The English banned Irish from Irish universities to signal that they and the language were in charge. Irish was the language of scholars. Their aim was to associate English with education and power and Irish with backwardness. It had catastrophic consequences.
@@peteymax True. Language can indeed serve as an instrument of suppression. But in the Dutch case, there is another situation. The language of science worldwide is English. It used to be latin. But in general, I think the language is not kept alive by the elites, but by the commoners.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Good point. I hope you’re correct and Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, and other beautiful languages all survive with full community and academic status and you don’t have the battle we have trying to preserve An Gaeilge in a hyper-globalised world. Sláinte, beste wensen.
@ronaldderooij1774 Ge hebt geluk dat gij Nederlander zijt. You speak English and German at the same time. When I heard Heintje Simons sang "Heerlijk Zonlicht", I got surprised. In the first line of his song he said, "De storm is over, weg is nu de regen...".
I cannot believe this. At my work they were looking for some one who can speak English. Most people cannot and know only some basic sentences. There is a difference in the capitalcity Amsterdam and outside the capitalcity.
"someone" is one word, but
"capital city" are two words.
@@MisterHowzat :D
@@MisterHowzat It's dutchglish: hoofdstad
Ik woon pas een mand in Nederland en ik heb een paar mensen gezien die geen Engels spreken of niet willen spreken. Maar ik vind dat jonge Nederlanders heel goed Engels spreken en als je als ober of kassier werkt, moet je ook heel goed Engels spreken. Pardon voor mijn slechte Nederlands, ik ben aan het leren.
Maybe the younger generations mostly know English, but old people who live in rural villages are less likely to understand.
This is very fascinating to know. I'm learning Dutch (and other languages) and I've already learned English (it isn't my mother tongue). Dutch is similar to English in the beginning. However, the more you learn Dutch, the less similar it becomes. English has many words which come from French or Latin. Dutch doesn't have so many of them. Also, Dutch word order is different from English. Sure, basic sentences have the same word order but the more complex the sentence is, the more different the word order will be. Either way, there's no doubt that Dutch is still very similar to English (and German too). That's a huge advantage. I wish my country followed this mindset with the English language. Unfortunately I know it won't happen anytime soon.
I hope that the Dutch language never dies and expands in the future, however I studied linguistics, language acquisition and bilingual education, and coming from a country subordinated politically and economically to an English speaking nation, while having a different language, I fear that Dutch lovers should be aware such a powerful language could surpass Dutch, in a short time if some changes are not made. I read of situations of native languages turning into a creole, education especially in universities all in English, and worst of all of some native people not teaching their kids their native language but English and belittle anyone who insists in keeping the original tongue, and assuming that anything in English is far superior to anything in the local language. I had seem all that. English is an useful tool which we use to communicate with the world, no doubt about it, but it should not replace the mother tongue in which we love, cry , learn, think, have opinions, and in general live and die. The lost of Dutch, will be a great loss not only for Netherlands but for humanity.
but it's also really easy to recognize a dutch person speaking english, you can clearly tell.
yeah some you can hear a very hard dutch accent. but there are tons of dutchmans that have no accent at all.
@@metalvideos1961 sure, but most of us have a very distinct accent when speaking English. some have it more than others but it's almost always there to some degree. just like it's pretty easy to hear the difference between British English, American English and Australian English.
The Dutch accent is very obvious for native English speakers to identify.
@@peteymax Does a Dutch accent differ from a German accent, I wonder?
@@ronaldderooij1774 yes, to an English speaker a Dutch person has a very particular g sound and their s is almost sh. P.S.: that’s not a bad thing or a criticism, it’s a really nice accent. Just distinct.
The Dutch are amazing at speaking English for all the reasons you talk about. But with other languages they are just the same as everyone else. I was really taken aback a few years ago when I met a Dutch person in Spain where I was living at the time who I was told spoke Spanish fluently. I automatically presumed she would be better than me even though I actually studied Spanish at university. She was Dutch. Of course she would speak Spanish pefectly. I was SO relieved when I found out my Spanish was way better than hers. And I also remember her being a bit surprised too.
Interesting! Thank you.
I wish you had allowed TH-cam to auto-generate captions. All it takes is a one time checkbox in Creator Studio. I can't imagine why TH-cam doesn't make it the default setting.
That's why my German is at A1, or A2 at max. I like German, I listen to German music. But I never had a need in it. Whilst I had to know English and Spanish therefore I learned them. Also, I have never been to German speaking countries. Neither for school, work or vacation. And so I struggle with my German. I put myself in strict condition to make me read and watch things in German, but my life doesn't depend on it and so I ease it away.
I find German quite easy because it was tought in school and because it is so close to Dutch. Tactics I use for dialects work fine for German too.
@@Treinbouwer
Du kannst jetzt deutsch Sprechen?
That’s not an excuse. I’ve never been to Germany for school or work and I’ve only visited 2 times for less thank 2 weeks in total and my German is C1 level (I have a certificate).
Great video, thank you! I'd noticed English has a place in advertising and slogans, and you explained its olace well. Very interesting 👍🏻
Outstanding, Netherlands.If only the British thought internationally.
Great video, thank you!
You're welcome!
@@Fluentu
Danke sehr gut ! Thank you
Audrey Hepburn her mother was Dutch. So it''s not a surprise that she speak Dutch. She lived in her young days in The Netherlands and Great Britain. She also learnt French and Deutsch at school. As the most dutchies do. Only French not so much.
Now it makes sense about advertising in the Netherlands. When I lived there briefly in 2017, I notice a lot of English slogans, phrases and captions used in advertising media there which I initially found bizarre.
Congratulations to Mr Wilders !!!
Over een paar jaar draaien ze wel weer bij. Er is al een wet in de maak om de universiteiten weer Nederlandstalig te maken en gezien meer dan 80% de immigratie naar beneden wil (zie eenvandaag), is het politiek erg aantrekkelijk weer normaal te doen.
Mee eens. Maar ik vind het ontzettend belangrijk om immigratie te hebben. We hebben veel te weinig kinderen om de bevolking op peil te houden en we worden allemaal ouder. Dus immigranten zijn hard, hard nodig. Dus we moeten echt veel meer huizen bouwen.
Be careful Dutch people, mind your own language. English has become such a pervasive language, a beautiful language like others but it has become so generic when spoken as a second language. Remember, once whole generations of speakers of any language start studying at university level in English or any international language the next generation is given the clear message that their native language is inferior to, in the case of the Netherlands, the English language. If you replace your language at post-grad level it will begin to decline in quality and prestige. Be careful Dutch speakers.
Most people speak English because its the most practical language in the world, not necessary the coolest.
@@affordablex4914 Exactly, and that’s exactly how the local language can become ‘less useful’
@@peteymaxI’ve always said language is not only a means of communication it’s also identity.
@@Sphinxgamingworld9942 Yes, and more. It’s communication, identity, history, culture, daily living. It’s sad when a young person does not know the meaning of the name of their town, when someone cannot describe their PhD in their native language, or when an entire population succumbs to colonists’ language under the pressure of trying to have a decent life for them and their children. Think Ireland, I hope Ísiltír never experiences what my country endured.
@@peteymax Yeah it’s very sad what happened to the Irish language. As a native Spanish speaker living in the USA, I have retained my Spanish language and identity, often watching media content in both Spanish and English. What tends to happen with TH-cam or the internet is that native speakers of languages that aren’t global tend to watch content in English because barely anyone makes content in their native language. Whereas in Spanish, there is plenty of content here on TH-cam, so I’m not always just consuming English content.
I hope Indonesia follow the dutch in terms of English language: Mandatory Language, English made official or recognized isn't necessary just mandatory language 🇺🇸🇮🇩🇳🇱
Actually in 1993 the EEC became the EC, the EU was later. There was no big change in education. Kids learned 2 or 3 foreign languages depending on their level way before, pre WWII, simply those of the countries around us, that little stretch of water in front of Britain has never bothered the Dutch very much. So it also happened to be the languages of the main European powers and economies so it wasn't very difficult to figure out which ones to learn the children.
Dutch might be closest to English, English is not closest to Dutch, that's German. French was often skipped at the lower levels because it's harder, less close to Dutch. Exposure faded especially since the 70's and in particular compared to English which exposure expoded, thanks to the USA much more than the UK. Also more than German, allthough German TV was recieved before cable, but German music of those days... at least the French had chansons. German also lost a lot of enthousiasm after the War, but in the East that restored pretty quickly because of exposure, regional economic interests and actually dealing with post WWII Germans, while in the hard hit West resentment remained for much longer.
But the generation that was born in the 30's and 40's from a median education level speaks German and English and most should be able to reproduce some French still, but tend to be reasonably fluent if they have maintained it, by vacations to France for example. The main difference is that their accent is much heavier because that is about exposure at a young age, and that age has kept dropping hugely for English in the past decades. That's also why the foreign language education for the youngest children, they have an exceptional abiltiy to pick up on languages and it would a shame to waste that phase in development. Also, every next foreign language gets easier because there is learning a foreign language and foreign language learning, which do overlap but aren't the same.
Hey! Is there any relationship between the numerous conditional that the English language teaches, to the survival of Dutch English? 1:05
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As a tourist with relatively fluent English, I found myself comfortable while in Amsterdam, as in London
Since I am able to start a conversation with local ppl, ordering meal, buying ticket, ALL in English...wicked
It's unfair that they have to take IELTS when applying Universities from English speaking countries
Despite they should score pretty high on those tests.
btw, I think their English helps, particularly those footballers who looking for top English clubs, without language barrier.
Dutch is definitely merging with English. Words like “weird”, “creepy”, “awkward”, “fun”, “fake”, “whatever”, “cool”, “not done”, “heavy” are taking over and were never used 30 years ago.
Sometimes, people do not need to learn Dutch. Willeke Alberti sang "De Winter Was Lang" in 1964. People already understand that title.
1:03 France, Germany and *the UK*
And the Poles. Mainly the Canadians and the poles liberated the Netherlands.
And what do you know about Dutch television?
I keep saying it's a myth. The Dutch do not speak English any better than Germans and most definitely not any better than Scandinavians.
The Dutch (Dütch, Trümp, üpdate, pick-üp trück) are just brimming with confidence - that's all it is.
I thought Germans were very good but the Dutch essentially speak native language with an Africaans accent
It is not that we dutch are so good, it is just unbelievable stupid how other countries are so bad when it comes to speaking more then just their own language.
Would be great if the Netherlands followed Ireland, the UK and Malta into having English as a main language alongside Dutch. Then all 4 would be the only nations to have English as an official language alongside their 2nd (or 3rd or 4th)
No, it would not be. It is not a native language to any group except for expats, and it would exclude working and middle-class families and people from outside of the Randstad area.
Also I would like to mention that Ireland is trying to make people switch to Irish.
That would be sad. English is thee most vanilla language in the world
In a sence, we are almost there already. Yes, English has no official status and indeed, in private we speak Dutch only. But many consider English as the second language of the Netherlands. Fun fact, English only has an official status at the tiny island of Saba in the Carribbean. Nobody speaks a word of Dutch there. The people descended from Irish sailors, I believe (not sure about that).
@ronaldderooij1774
If I go to Netherlands, does really everyone speak english ?
Can I be employed with my english language?
@@Designer_TopG I have just visited the Netherlands for the first time. The people seem very nice. I don’t know about being employed but I think it could be possible. Most people seem to speak English fairly well. I heard there’s a bit of a reaction away from speaking English as some people feel it dilutes their culture. I can see their point.
Your video is 9.11 minutes long
No, it's not.
9:11 means 9 minutes 11 seconds, which is not the same as 9.11 minutes.
9.11 minutes is 9 minutes and 6.6 seconds.