Submitting My PIP Appeal After Mandatory Reconsideration Denied
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ม.ค. 2023
- Stage one of appealing my PIP assessment award decision was to submit a mandatory reconsideration letter. That has been returned and denied with no changes to my award so now I have submitted my PIP appeal. This vlog is a catch-up of all that has happened since my last update about the awful assessment experience. Thank you to everyone who has been helping me with this. ❣️
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Yeah is a lot of PIP applications getting denied, due to some suspicions I have I'm almost convinced that when some least over compensate with irrelevant documentation, that really has no affect on their daily living. Two times in the past (because my parents assist highly with applying for it) and been given the full enhanced amount twice in a row and hardly (if any) documentary evidence, can be though some for whatever reason can't explain how something fully affects them (can understand it full as its hard to explain and especially when you're already stressed about it).
But then you do get horrible assessors, have heard of numerous times people on Scopes forums, with one example of someone being told to give one worded yes or no answers just outright wrong I think.
I'm with you, buddy. I was just denied after waiting a year and having numerous disabilities and it's all just to get people to give up before they get benefits. If you have more than one disability it is even harder as you have to get each one approved before anything is approved even with miles of doctor's diagnosis and records. If one is not majorly depressed before they certainly are by the process. Hope you move through this quickly and successfully, friend. I'm sending you all the love and support across land and sea.
Bless you buddy thank you. I'm so sorry this happened to you too. It's exactly this isn't it? They want you to fail and give up. Evil! Well I won't!
They are pure asses for putting people who have disabilities through all of this
@@Truman-smom l absolutely agree though some of my wording is stronger and not safe for TH-cam 🤣
dont give up, I was refused pip in 2018 with a brain tumor and other 💩 on my body, with proof of doc since 2002I went to two courts PIP and ESA I won PIP and on the day of the court DWP staff turned up sad we accepted your ESA no need for court, they treat me as criminal for 14 months, now I am waiting for review PIP since last year no replay yet good luck everyone
Would you say it's worth trying to get a diagnosis whilst going through this process,if I can even get it in time for tribunal? As I'm sure I'm autistic but am yet to get a diagnosis, and don't know if that would help me to have it confirmed for tribunal?
I feel like the scammers get it no problem and the genuine are treated like scammers. I sent so much evidence for my PIP yet they refused, my assessor was a health care assistant with a bad attitude didn't even know what one of the common drugs I have taken was and lied in my report throughout. I have just sent a reconsideration now, but instead of spending nearly 90 million on these appeals.. why don't they pay for qualified staff to look at these claims? I am so mad what they have put me through. i am glad to see you won your appeal.
I think it’s disgusting that there are people scamming the system and genuine people that need help. The Pip system is flawed. I have fibromyalgia , osteoporosis and a yet other diagnosed condition . If you do not have a wheelchair or visible aid or carer you are classed as fit. This is grossly unfair. They say it not about diagnosis but you have a diagnosis for a reason. If you are struggling with mental health this process makes it ten times worse.
I absolutely agree. The system needs an overhaul, and the people they employ do too because the discrimination and ableism that exists within it is absolutely awful. I still plan to make a complaint about my assessor, I think it's vital these people are held accountable and then given better training..... hopefully
my universal credit appeal was denied and they claimed I was fit for work. After the tribunal I suddenly had doubled the amount of points so I am now considered not fit for work. The DWP just doesn't listen and puts unnecessary pressure on people.
Amen! The system needs updating. The standard questions need changing! They have no compassion they are trained to 'refuse' a percentage. Keep complaining get your subject access requests and complain about the health assessor. I'm currently done the complaint and the mandatory reconsideration. Good luck to all who have read this
I'm having a nightmare with the DWP think I'll end up at tribunal, good to watch your video
Keep going Fyn I had to do an MR and was awarded standard rate on both which to be honest I had no more fight left and was happy to settle for , I am single and 55 and now unable to work as I also have ME this benefits system is one constant battle . Keep going lovely Man your get there lots of love and strength xx
Oooh yes, SO excited about Saturday update live!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉 xx
He he! I'm so excited for this one! It'll be mayhem!
@@FinnTheInfinncible Mayhem, that sounds GOOD!
My PIP application was recently denied and the cheeky assessor left a lot of what I said out of the report, mandatory reconsideration sent, a little late cos took two weeks for the decision to arrive. I have bad knees, work 2.5 hours per day for 5 days a week but have no diagnosis for whats actually wrong, yet on class-c drugs (tramadol) for pain plus other meds, all of which only slightly dull the pain to be honest. If my reconsideration dont work, tribunal it is.
You weren't waffling Finn. You were explaining things so well. You've helped more people than you know, believe me. Thank You. God Bless. 💖💖
Oh my goodness what a lovely comment, thank you so very very much
@@FinnTheInfinncible Aw, Thank you Finn, You're so welcome. You explain it so well and people can relate. It helps us realise we're not alone with how we are treated etc. I hope everything goes well for you and everybody else still having to 'fight' these inhumane decisions. I'm in the 'mandatory' stage. It's making my health even worse, but being able to listen to people like yourself, I know I'm not alone and that in itself is a massive help. So Thank You. 💖💖
I'm filling out the equivalent of pip forms at the moment (I live in france) and the questions are so hard to answer without writing 20 pages each time! "can you wash yourself and take care of your personal hygiene? well yes, but the the last time I had a shower was well over a week ago, if i have a shower I can't do anything else for the rest of the day (at least) because my heart rate goes from a 55bpm when lying down to a 140bpm coming out of the shower (with a seat) which causes post-exertional malaise, I can't have a shower on weeks when I have to look after my daughter because i'd rather be smelly than her eat cold baked beans straight out of the can...
It's so hard to get across the constant bargaining with my condition and energy levels...
All the best to you and everyone else struggling with, not only their bodies and minds, but also the administration!
I hard relate to that entire paragraph!!! That's why we need to be assessed by people who understand this condition!! The constant barganing, assessing energy levels, working out what to give up that day, showering or doing the dishes, whether you can risk going to a GP appointment and the likely week in bed with pain and heart palpitations for a week afterwards. Urg! Sending you giant hugs
Hi! I hope they actually take you seriously and you win your appeal, its so stressful isn't it? I'm going through a MR at the moment as my report was complete fabrication, I cannot believe the lies they told on the report and none of my conditions or how they effect me were even mentioned AT ALL! absolutely fed up but I'm going to keep fighting! Mines for daily living and mobility too
I’ve just been refused mandatory reconsideration to.
Got zero points on everything, I suffer with anxiety and depression and also have Autism to.
I sent GP notes, diagnosis, medication and support letters to. And was refused yet again :(
Don't they think that no offence but if you were gonna fake having a disease, surely you'd pick someting people would believe?! Pip is a joke, keep trying mate, you got this, there's millions of people just like you, we're all here supporting you x
I appreciate that so much, thank you. And you are so completely right! Plus, look at how public I am! It woulod be bloody hard for me to lie abiut anything with how much of my life is on line!
@@FinnTheInfinncible yes definitely!! Also, I don't mean this in a rude way at all but you could also try pulling the discrimination card, say they're discriminating against you because of your gender/sexuality diversity, give them some more legal need to reassess your PIP, if u need to. My friend did this, not sure if it helped but she did end up getting pip on the end, always an option lol to play dirty like them aha
Not in the U.K., but I’ve had multiple family members be denied in the U.S. for disability payments who also got them on appeal. It’s ridiculous what they make people go through. When you’re disabled it takes another dedicated person to help you go through these awful processes. Glad there is charity help available for you!
I have fibromyalgia and having a bad time it effects my legs and hands so bad and have fatigue and my hubby has to help me a lot we tired for pip said no because I can use a stick and use a phone my hands can't be so bad have days I have to stay in bed it's awful and have so low days but pip don't think so
They don’t have dwp doing ur form on the phone covering there tracks you should definitely record ur phone call for court when you appeal
Mine was face to face, but yes, recording is a good idea. Anyway, I have good news about my appeal! th-cam.com/video/C0rHnYVpH88/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video Finn, it'll be fun to have another live, yay! It seems very much that this system that's supposed to help people who need it is deliberately being used to wear applicants down to the point where they give up. That's just outrageously nasty. What I don't get though is that the independent appeal people don't go after the pip system to hammer it home to them that they need qualified people to do the assesments (and the mandatory reconsiderations). It's blatantly clear from the amount of appeals that finally get people the pip they're entitled to that the set up to apply for pip does not work at all. It's wasting enormous amounts of time, money and mental health for no reason at all. Awful! I'm already looking forward to Saturday 😃
I think probably because almost every Disabled person is way too exhausted to fight any further tbh.
My anger is over the lack of response from the media and consequently public and MPs, where is the widespread anger over fact that the system is literally criminalising, traumatising and killing Disabled people en mass!! Infuriating and sickening.
All I can say is thank goodness for tireless activists like Joy Dove and groups like DPAC, who are taking the Govt to trial for their hate crimes.
I feel your pain brother! I was blessed to get my disability approved first time trying. I'm in the US. But this was back in 2003. And coming down off antidepressants. It's a mental mind fuck totally! The ride will stop soon! I promise! Been there done that. If you're interested look for the half life of the med. I agree with you regarding the reconsidering this. I am in the exact same place! I need more help but I'm not old enough. Ended with me falling down the 16 stairs in my apartment.. just fell again last Monday. But I can't get help. 😢
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So annoyed, just got mine and I've got to send my appeal form in by Christmas Eve. I swear they hold onto it for two weeks and send it so I have less time to complete it. Gave me no extra points and I send ten pieces of evidence and they looked at none of it. The My decision section of the letter wasn't even personalised to me just described what prompting and aids means. Was a generic copy and paste!
I am waiting for a tribunal Date now it takes ages felt like giving up loads of times thanks for sharing.
Please do not give up! Yu will get a date eventually. All the very best of luck
Sir how to apeal pip plz tell me
Hiya I have m e last thirteen years I’ve applied recently but not very possitive at the outcome all the best x
Hiya! Yep. It's good to set your expectations low lm afraid as most have to go to appeal.....but perhaps you will be plesantly surprised...I really hope so!
They seem to read your medical notes and ignore what on that. I didn't go to tribunal im reapplying
Just curious, in the UK are you allowed to get PIP and also be married? In Canada in my province you basically don't get any disability payments if you're married, they just expect your spouse to provide for you :P
I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with pip but I think you're so brave for continuing to fight for your application!
Hello my friend. You cant even cohabit without losing your benefit here n the UK. I lost all my benefits when I moved in with Chris. This would be understandable if he was in a really highearning job, but he isn! What was worse, was that I was on a benefi scheme at the time, to help e to set u as a freelance self emploed worker. I lost that benefit and support when we began cohabiting! Doesnt make any sense does it! The system is not set up to adequately help, support, and empower chronically ill and disbaled people. I have a platform and I feel I want to use that to do any bit of good I can, to raise awareness about this. Ill update about my PIP appeal as soon as I hear anything. Thank you for your kind words
For mine, I'd requested to have the review assessment recorded. Simply didn't trust them after the last time. A few minutes before it was due to start they phoned me and told me it would be a phone assessment.
To my surprise, the assessor was very understanding, listened and seemed to take on board what I'd said. She established I'd had a long history of support and noted how anxious I was. Unfortunately, I have no evidence of this, because I had no option to record the phone assessment at such short notice.
I was shocked, therefore, when the decision letter arrived. They scored me 0 for everything (again), made no reference to much of what was discussed, said there was no noted anxiety, no signs of "overwhelming emotional distress" (is that a condition of getting help) , said there was no input in terms of my needs, which is very untrue.
The letter said that they realised it was not what I was expecting and provided me with a web address for the money advisory service - which was little help after they'd just stopped my payments.
I've just sent off a wealth of evidence, paying about £12.50 to photocopy everything and £7.50 on postage. No financial help for that, of course. Their mandatory reconsideration could take weeks or several months. They have no time limit to work to, which is really no surprise.
Interesting fact: Therese Coffey was recently in charge of benefits. I am not aware of any qualifications she had for the role. Funding had been set aside to prevent suicides of those who had lost benefits or were struggling to cope. Coffey decided to cut that funding significantly. Baffling to me, Liz Truss made her deputy prime minister not long afterwards. She's currently environment secretary.
You're a great person Finn 💕 not got much advice but sending you some support
Just this comment means so much buddy. Thank you 💝
They literally dont read anything on the mandatory, even though i provided evidence on rhe condition, they turned around and said if your condition is worse to apply as new, just because they dont want me to get back dated.
In the USA it’s hard to get approved too. Sometimes people here need attorneys to get it approved.
It makes me so cross!
I need (and am entitled to) PIP but I don't have the energy to go through this process, so I haven't applied. I have also been on a waiting list for physio since August, so I've had to borrow money to pay for that privately. It's such a disgrace.
I hope it works out for you, in the USA we call it red tape, I’ll pray for you.
Finn it’s a game, play the game better than them!
Yes indeed! I'm hoping the appeal folks will look at things much more honestly, no game playing just facts. I cabta do the tasks deacibed.....I qualify....end of!
@@FinnTheInfinncible May God Richly Bless You Finn🙏🏼
Finn I need your help I got promoted on 2/8/23 at a new role then I realized my new manager was displaying racial microaggressions since then I was being put in a one on one meetings and write-ups then I escalated to HR and DEI and then I put out two notices intent to sue they then put me on a PIT and I rebuttal and the DEI- Diversity and Equity now denied me.
Sorry to hear this, it sounds awful. I hope HR are able to help
Sounds like the same mess that goes on here in the U.S. I'm so sorry it's not any better over there to get help. It's such a ball of red tape and people who don't know what they're doing and that's just sad. And frustrating. It took me 10 years to get mine, and in that time, my work credits expired, so none of my work ever counted towards my benefit amount, I swear they did it on purpose.
On the note of having a partner and losing benefits, my mum got really bad towards the end of her life, and mom and dad were talking about getting a divorce just so she could get the help she needed. It took so long that nothing ever came of it. One thing she said to me is "They're waiting for me to [pass away] just so they don't have to pay to help me." It sure seems like it sometimes. She would have been here today if she would have been able to get proper medical help.
I also completely agree about making us feel like liars and criminals for trying to get benefits, it's HORRIBLE! Even after the wringer they put us through, they still want to make us feel like a worthless pile of nothing. I ended up in a month long partial hospitalization program after one hearing, and a week of "time out" so I didn't hurt myself... Well, if they don't want us to think that way, then why do they treat us like we're not worth the benefits we've been paying into all the years we had worked? I could go on and on too, but I know most people reading this will understand the frustrations, trials and tribulations and mental damage it causes.
I had one person tell me that if I could crawl, I could work. Another one told me that I didn't have PTSD because I could sit with my back to the door!
I think you're amazing too Finn, and give Chris a hello from me! If I see you live, I'll definitely pop in and say hello to you as well 🥰
Much love and support, along with some well wishes that things will go better for you for PIP. *subscriber HUGS of support*
I love you so much fella. It makes me so cross, not just for me, but for everyone who goes through this. I know I am so much luckier then most in the support I have around me and with the resources I have available to me, others have nothing, so I hope that my speaking up might at least make some small ripples somewhere.
I hope to see you on the livestream! Sending gigantic hugs!!!!!!
@@FinnTheInfinncible Ripples are good, we need more of them. I think in one of the videos I had posted on my other channel I talked about my experience, but it got flagged and removed. I've since deleted everything and closed the channel of course.
I'm hoping to catch you as well, I don't know how the time difference will work out, will have to check the internet clock and figure out what time you might be on. I think we figured out one time it's around 6 hours or something. It's 11pm here right now, and 5am your time... You're already in tomorrow! 🤯lol
@@pmbluemoon flagged and removed?! Disgraceful!!!!! If you can't make it let me know and l will send you a special private message 😁
@@FinnTheInfinncible I think "they" didn't want me spilling the beans on their bad job, just like with your situation.
Thank you, I think I'll be sleeping when you go live, if I'm thinking of the time difference right. It's confusing to me! It's around 6:30am your time, it's 12:30am my time, and I'm a night owl. I will try to pop on in the morning when I wake up though! Subscriber hugs! 🤗🙂
My autisic daughter waiting for tribunal she has full diagnosis she is classed as neat meaning not in education or working can barely leave the house packed in school a year early took exams at home cannot go anywhere on her own as special needs she has scored zero points so far was on dla the assessment was recorded on request buy her mum the appointee but all the information after it was unbelievable to say the least like it was on a different person we are never going to give in we asked for the assessment recording but they said they have lost it
Don’t give up Finn
Never! And I won....did you see the update!!!
It seems this is a very flawed system in your country and it’s a pity it has my name !
Hi sorry to say but if they see things like this and your moving your arms so much for 31 minutes they will say there's nothing wrong any excuse to deny you.
The fact that I move my arms when l talk doesn't mean anything! This is one half hour in a fortnight!
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Just as a warning, I have currently waited 26 weeks for my tribunal date, when the avarage waiting time in my area is 23 weeks.
Good luck with the Tribunal and the waiting! D:
Urg! Yep I'm practicing patience! Good luck to you too my friend!
I’m on my 27 week now for waiting for my tribunal date .
I rang yesterday and the lady said I have to give it another 5 weeks to wait to hear if not then I have to contact the tribunal service again and they will chase it up .
It’s horrendous waiting and worrying at one point I was going to give it but I thought no I’m going to fight for this !
So it’s just a waiting game sadly
@@Bebop6521Good on you for sticking threw it.
It isn't easy trying to stay occupied and posative when the whole process takes over a year.
Spend some time looking at stuff you can get when you win! Like "social tarrifs" on phone, Internet and water. You can also get discount rail travel, making 1st class a viable option (which is good for me with social anxiety)
Hi mate
There all born liers they have to be to get the job in the 1st place the part that is the most disgusting is you have to go to appeal thats when they read reports
I think there are a few good ones trying to change the system but they are sadly the minority. The whole system needs to change.
Hi my friend I just wanted to say that we call it here in the United States physical therapy. And I went in for physical therapy because my doctor demanded it, the physical therapist said I'm going to write your doctor a letter you have me/cfs and you doing physical therapy is going to backfire and make your condition way worse. You cannot do physical therapy when you have CFS I'm sorry it will just exacerbate everything. Also out here we call getting benefits SSI. And I found the fastest way to get it is to say you're absolutely insane your crazy your Mentally ill and then out here you tend to get it right away. But if you have a physical ailment it's exactly what you said they don't get it they don't understand it and they don't want to understand it. So you have to go to appeals sometimes you have to get a lawyer it's a big deal. I have been blessed because I have been on SSI for over 30 years, yep. But that is because my psychiatrist said you need to be on SSI I will write a letter have your therapist write a letter and then I got it within 6 months. I am so sorry and so angry that you have to go through this when they don't give a s*** they probably don't even read what you write. The Whole system whether it's there or here is broken totally broken. I'm so excited about one thing bro I'm getting my mobility scooter on February 15th I cannot wait. Then my service dog can trot along beside me as I go outside. I just want to say I love you and I feel so bad that you're having to go through this kind of b******* and rigmarole. Take care my friend I'm thinking of you I always think about you and be as well as you can be.
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I wonder what the credentials are for the people that do the assessments 😂. I think it should be awarded by doctors to be honest they are the people in charge of our care and know someones needs best. I hope you have a good day don’t worry about them they sound unqualified and not aware of basic diversity training. I have recently applied and have Graves’ disease and an arrhythmia who knows what will happen I kinda just going in with the mentality that who gives a f lol 😂 I think with invisible autoimmune conditions I’m used to people thinking I’m exaggerating and lying so it’s just whatever now
@@crystalmaze3646 it’s a bad system
Pips should only stopped money people who use drugs or drink in their life, not when they facing serious problems ... Ive got rejected twice also gp was rufused to send anymore evendice towards my disability other stuff ...
Lets not forget that addiction is an illness to and deserving of help and support too. Everyone deserves to be assessed fairly and supported by their professionals properly, we shouldnt be infighting between ourseles about who is worthy about support, we should be fighting the government about this unfair system and holding professionals accountable.
today I have called mental health and going call citizen advice see what they can do am going fo tribul accesement , am sure even mental health understands pip should give help those who struggled , I am a guy who suffers with schriphenia hearing voices and pschosis they think am ok dont need any support the pips decided based what i said on first assassment but they never had anything from my mental health yet also i amgoing contact citeze advice tommorow and see if i can help
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Let me tell you the tribunal are the worst i had mine ydai i had 5 people looking down at me like iv murdered
30 people