I definitely have to agree that the character acting was the best part of the entire thing. Some parts even looked like rotoscopy from how realistic they looked. That animation quality really elevated the tension in the chase scene before Denji's death. The people who watched the pre-screenings certainly werent lying when they said it looked and felt like a movie; from the animation, to the use of the ED atop scrolling text, it straight up felt like an entire short film. Just add in those cinematic black bars and you have yourself a short anime movie that looks better than most other anime movies out there. Also, calling CGI "The Boogeyman of Anime" is an analogy i never imaged would fit so well. Good Job!
Honestly, I'm kinda split on the ED. I get why its straight up scrolling text, as a reference to movies, its an artistic choice. But to me it seems kind of...lazy? I'm not sure how to put it. I would've just liked to see at least stills, or something. But whatever, it's only a minor nitpick.
@@ProbablyPretentious I feel like it was more intentional for it to feel like a slasher film than it was a specific movie reference (but that's just what I think and because you said they wanted it to feel cinematic)
Thnx buddy for ur analysis. I got to work in CSM ep 1 just with some static form lip sync .So i go uncredited for that because work wasn't really hard.we indian animator trying to get in Japanese industry for learning quality of animation. So we can start produce for india itself.Urs analysis are good so plz keep it up
It's a shame to see majority of anime fandom still complain about cgi even if it's above average and called this cgi on level of berserk 2016 and ex arm now a days can't even tell people r actually criticizing or just hate for sake of hating coz it's "CGI" Anyway a great episode and that sequence from denji running after his first stab was animated by God kouki fujimoto himself🙏
Wow finally another TH-camr that doesn't bring up budget every time there is sakuga.Instant subscribe! Anyway I have some thoughts. I never read the manga (though I should thinking about the things I hear about it). But to me, it seems impossible to adapt 100+ chapters with such visual fidelity like seen in this debut.I really wonder how the staff will go about it in the upcoming cour and later seasons. Maybe there will be a studio change(like SnK and OPM),or there will be less sakuga(like later seasons of BnHA iirc, I didnt actually watch them but thats what it seems like from sakugabooru lol),or compositing/digital FX of a lesser level. Or, maybe they will give enough time to the staff to make the second cour and later seasons as good looking as the first (kinda like BNHA s2 or Fire Force s2), or maybe they won't make more seasons in the future(since it's MAPPA and they tackle just about every popular manga or anime nowadays lol).Those last 2 options seem highly doubtful,considering how popular the manga is,though I have no idea.Only time will tell. Also, I saw some people saying on Twitter that there was no need to have Denji be CG, considering the staff they have lined up for this season, and that those staff could animate Denji just fine, and that they should save CG for more complex scenes. And they also said it looks bad, so bad that it made the second half of this episode unwatchable. On the contrary, I think it looks great. It gives a sort of uncanny feel like others have noted,and sure it looks awkward for some scenes, but I feel it's part of the appeal. I also feel that it's necessary to show off the Denji CG model in the debut, so viewers should get used to it, when they don't have the animators they had this episode or even this season, and the staff will need to rely on CG Denji, and viewers will be already used to looking at CG Denji. Besides for that, the CG Models are a small break for the KA's and the AD's,who are probably focusing their efforts more on character acting. It also is probably is difficult,though I don't know for sure, to animate a character with 3 running chainsaws, a mouth full of teeth, and make it move, no matter how "good" the character sheets may be. But that composite...it's beautiful.Along with the background art and the storyboarding. But at the same time it makes me worried that it might...melt...in the next seasons,like I mentioned before,or even in this cour itself. The staff set a pretty high bar with this debut,and I'm not sure they could keep to that bar with whatever schedule this show has,since after all, it is a MAPPA production, and it kinda melted on JJK cour 2 with those really rough 3d backgrounds and awful compositing,which was already bad to start off with. Sorry, it's a little long haha. TL;DR: this show looks really good,even the CG,and I'm afraid it looks *too* good. I'm worried it won't be able to maintain such high quality for future seasons or even future episodes this cour.
Lmao I went through the whole comment dw, yea I'm all for a cgi denji, also from the trailers it's obvious that there will 2d denji as well at times. I personally I feel a cgi version of denji works aesthetically speaking. I do get why you'd think the quality will dip in the subsequent seasons, and it may. But at the same time I remember mappa's rage of bahamut, which was pretty much peak visuals for a TV anime at the time and the sequel managed to look just as good if not better. It's all about how the production team goes about it, and thankfully the committee is just mappa so they can take all the time they want. The production committee can't pass it to another studio cuz mappa is the production committee, so I think it'll be fine
@@ProbablyPretentious Thanks for reading lol.I don't know if you've seen the Canipa Effect video on studio MAPPA that he made. He claimed that studio had changed from a studio focused on bring personal projects by creative directors to life, to a studio focused on making whatever the most popular thing is and raking in the cash. It's certainly noticeable after they grabbed AOT s4 and made it ASAP, with a terrible schedule and a lack of care for the staff working on it, and had a detrimental effect on the show itself, I feel. The comparison to RoB isn't really fair imo.Rage of Bahamut was made in 2014 and 2015, back when mappa was sort of a normal studio according to that video. It also was a much less popular source material, and therefore they could take it slowly. CSM on the other hand is insanely popular, with fans begging for more animated content. I have a feeling that CSM will be another AOT, with seasons rushed out asap on a terrible schedule. We can only hope for the best.
The rob comparison is actually fair, unlike a jjk or an aot, csm is actually a passion project, something mappa hasn't been doing lately, yea the source material is really popular, but still the production process is quite different when compared to other modern mappa shows
@@ProbablyPretentious Sorry sorry i didn't mean to be rude haha. It's just so rare to see a MAPPA passion projects these days. Can you describe how the production process is different in regards to other popular MAPPA shows? Also, whose passion project is this? I want to see his or her other work! (I posted a reply earlier, but it didn't seem to register with YT lol)
Well firstly the production structure is different, with no production committee involved, which allows complete creative freedom to the studio, second the sheer amount of talent involved with the project is really impressive, even by the full sakuga show standards. I don't think it's one single person's passion project however, I think more like the whole studio
The visuals blew me away god dammit. However when denji actually turned into chainsaw man and started cutting shit I was a little disappointed, probably because I still have some bias against cgi but I think it was also because the ever-so-slight awkwardness of the cgi was jarring considering how majestic the rest of the episode looked and felt.
The quality of the show and the art and animation of the character movements is top notch but the action looked a little subpar with all that 3D and speaking of the 3D unfortunately is just slightly above mediocre IMO (strictly talking about Denji and some of his scenes as chainsaw man). Oh and those 3D cars looked bad that's the only thing that was bad in the ep but overall i quite enjoyed it and was surprised how slow the pacing was cause i was expecting fast pacing because of how the manga is like and considering there will be only 12 eps, i mean they literally adapted only the first chapter.. i did not expect that kind of pacing and i actually love it.
Most animes use 3D cars anyways. I’d agree that the CG texture needs some polish (common issue with whatever software MAPPA uses for their 3D animations), otherwise a great first episode. What made the mediocre CG good was mostly Studio Capsule’s rad composition. Kudos to the production team for this adaptation!
I had high expectations for this anime but I was still blown away by the level of quality throughout the entire episode and if the whole anime looks like this or even better I'm going to lose it.
This is exactly why I would give this episode a 9/10. Everything looked really good, top tier even. The reason I didn't give it a 10/10 is because of the solid CGI. It wasn't bad, but it also wasn't as good as everything else in the episode and I'd consider it the only possible ''flaw''.
The CGI models are nothing out of this world but the storyboarding, animation, and compositing work so well that it elevates those moments a lot. I always feel like those mix of 2d with 3d can sometimes work against itself because of how jarring and difficult that transition is, but this was honestly some of the smoothest integration of the two I ever saw.
The only bad thing i could find is when denji is running from zombies but the blood stain disappears then appears in next panel but one barely notices that. Everything else hits hard-action,story,animation really good shit.
Im curious on your thoughts of the Bleach anime episode if you seen it. Doesn't need to be a video can be a community post or just a quick reply to this comment lol
Well yea, it's essentially what I said in a previous community post, the art direction/composite and the effects animation looks very good but the character animation is fairly lacking, both during action and non action scenes. The cgi for the hollows looks decent enough
@@ProbablyPretentious I respect that opinion but for me, I’d agree to it only if it was something ufotable does ( tracing a 2d character over a cg model like you said in your other video), not for explicit cgi like the csm model I saw. Take my comment with a grain of salt since I haven’t seen the actual episode
Ok listen everything in the episode was fucking godlike and I haven’t seen an anime being done this way so naturally i was expecting the cgi to be godlike as well and unfortunately it wasn’t!!
I think you should watch chainsaw man by reducing saturation in windows by using apps like VibranceGUI, Nvidia Control Panel, AMD Radeon Setting etc, I changed from 50 % to 35 % in my NVIDIA Control Panel and it almost liked the Chainsaw first teaser that went viral and it also kinda made CGI less noticable some shots @Probably Pretentious if it works for you too then pin this
I guess that would somewhat work for just the cgi, but csm already has a very desaturated, muted look, desaturating it further is overkill I'd say. And using third party services to do so seems like too much work tbh, it's fine if it works for ya ig. I always watch stuff the way it releases
I definitely have to agree that the character acting was the best part of the entire thing. Some parts even looked like rotoscopy from how realistic they looked.
That animation quality really elevated the tension in the chase scene before Denji's death.
The people who watched the pre-screenings certainly werent lying when they said it looked and felt like a movie; from the animation, to the use of the ED atop scrolling text, it straight up felt like an entire short film. Just add in those cinematic black bars and you have yourself a short anime movie that looks better than most other anime movies out there.
Also, calling CGI "The Boogeyman of Anime" is an analogy i never imaged would fit so well. Good Job!
Honestly, I'm kinda split on the ED. I get why its straight up scrolling text, as a reference to movies, its an artistic choice. But to me it seems kind of...lazy? I'm not sure how to put it. I would've just liked to see at least stills, or something. But whatever, it's only a minor nitpick.
@@LoopHole101Z c'mom bro, it's the first episode. Episode 2 ed will have visual
@@Otavio_Bruno oh then I'm excited!!!
@@LoopHole101Z Almost every anime start ep1 with just credit in ed, or even put op there instead
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I think the CGI made the anime look more good
Upon second viewing I found there was a lot less CG Denji. A lot of the scenes such as his run and slow slashing scene are all 2D.
The scene of Denji getting chased felt like it was from a slasher film
Sure did, it may even be a reference to something cuz there were a lot of film references, mostly in the op tho
@@ProbablyPretentious I feel like it was more intentional for it to feel like a slasher film than it was a specific movie reference (but that's just what I think and because you said they wanted it to feel cinematic)
It's kind of funny how everyone thought the scene where Denji is slashing zombies in pv 2021 was 3D and it ended up being the complete opposite.
well to be fair there are scenes both in ep 1 and the trailer where you cannot tell if someting is 2d or cg
I watched the episode and went:
"Mappa learned how to do compositing o.O"
The 3D camera projection was beautiful as well, made it very cinematic.
true the animation is outstanding already!! deserves the hype and 7.5/10 CAN'T WAIT FOR MORE!!
Thnx buddy for ur analysis. I got to work in CSM ep 1 just with some static form lip sync .So i go uncredited for that because work wasn't really hard.we indian animator trying to get in Japanese industry for learning quality of animation. So we can start produce for india itself.Urs analysis are good so plz keep it up
Damn really? That's so cool man, Thanks a lot as well 🙏🙌
really? can you tell us was most of the action was really in 2d? i mean you might have got to know cause u worked on the ep
It's a shame to see majority of anime fandom still complain about cgi even if it's above average and called this cgi on level of berserk 2016 and ex arm now a days can't even tell people r actually criticizing or just hate for sake of hating coz it's "CGI"
Anyway a great episode and that sequence from denji running after his first stab was animated by God kouki fujimoto himself🙏
Fujimoto been on fire lately ngl
@@ProbablyPretentious yeah and can't wait to see more of his cuts ....don't khow what he will do in jjk S2 bruh even more than 3min?? Lol
I’m gonna binge this whole channel
Wow finally another TH-camr that doesn't bring up budget every time there is sakuga.Instant subscribe!
Anyway I have some thoughts. I never read the manga (though I should thinking about the things I hear about it). But to me, it seems impossible to adapt 100+ chapters with such visual fidelity like seen in this debut.I really wonder how the staff will go about it in the upcoming cour and later seasons. Maybe there will be a studio change(like SnK and OPM),or there will be less sakuga(like later seasons of BnHA iirc, I didnt actually watch them but thats what it seems like from sakugabooru lol),or compositing/digital FX of a lesser level. Or, maybe they will give enough time to the staff to make the second cour and later seasons as good looking as the first (kinda like BNHA s2 or Fire Force s2), or maybe they won't make more seasons in the future(since it's MAPPA and they tackle just about every popular manga or anime nowadays lol).Those last 2 options seem highly doubtful,considering how popular the manga is,though I have no idea.Only time will tell.
Also, I saw some people saying on Twitter that there was no need to have Denji be CG, considering the staff they have lined up for this season, and that those staff could animate Denji just fine, and that they should save CG for more complex scenes. And they also said it looks bad, so bad that it made the second half of this episode unwatchable. On the contrary, I think it looks great. It gives a sort of uncanny feel like others have noted,and sure it looks awkward for some scenes, but I feel it's part of the appeal. I also feel that it's necessary to show off the Denji CG model in the debut, so viewers should get used to it, when they don't have the animators they had this episode or even this season, and the staff will need to rely on CG Denji, and viewers will be already used to looking at CG Denji. Besides for that, the CG Models are a small break for the KA's and the AD's,who are probably focusing their efforts more on character acting. It also is probably is difficult,though I don't know for sure, to animate a character with 3 running chainsaws, a mouth full of teeth, and make it move, no matter how "good" the character sheets may be.
But that composite...it's beautiful.Along with the background art and the storyboarding. But at the same time it makes me worried that it might...melt...in the next seasons,like I mentioned before,or even in this cour itself. The staff set a pretty high bar with this debut,and I'm not sure they could keep to that bar with whatever schedule this show has,since after all, it is a MAPPA production, and it kinda melted on JJK cour 2 with those really rough 3d backgrounds and awful compositing,which was already bad to start off with.
Sorry, it's a little long haha. TL;DR: this show looks really good,even the CG,and I'm afraid it looks *too* good. I'm worried it won't be able to maintain such high quality for future seasons or even future episodes this cour.
Lmao I went through the whole comment dw, yea I'm all for a cgi denji, also from the trailers it's obvious that there will 2d denji as well at times. I personally I feel a cgi version of denji works aesthetically speaking. I do get why you'd think the quality will dip in the subsequent seasons, and it may. But at the same time I remember mappa's rage of bahamut, which was pretty much peak visuals for a TV anime at the time and the sequel managed to look just as good if not better. It's all about how the production team goes about it, and thankfully the committee is just mappa so they can take all the time they want. The production committee can't pass it to another studio cuz mappa is the production committee, so I think it'll be fine
@@ProbablyPretentious Thanks for reading lol.I don't know if you've seen the Canipa Effect video on studio MAPPA that he made. He claimed that studio had changed from a studio focused on bring personal projects by creative directors to life, to a studio focused on making whatever the most popular thing is and raking in the cash. It's certainly noticeable after they grabbed AOT s4 and made it ASAP, with a terrible schedule and a lack of care for the staff working on it, and had a detrimental effect on the show itself, I feel.
The comparison to RoB isn't really fair imo.Rage of Bahamut was made in 2014 and 2015, back when mappa was sort of a normal studio according to that video. It also was a much less popular source material, and therefore they could take it slowly. CSM on the other hand is insanely popular, with fans begging for more animated content. I have a feeling that CSM will be another AOT, with seasons rushed out asap on a terrible schedule. We can only hope for the best.
The rob comparison is actually fair, unlike a jjk or an aot, csm is actually a passion project, something mappa hasn't been doing lately, yea the source material is really popular, but still the production process is quite different when compared to other modern mappa shows
@@ProbablyPretentious Sorry sorry i didn't mean to be rude haha. It's just so rare to see a MAPPA passion projects these days. Can you describe how the production process is different in regards to other popular MAPPA shows? Also, whose passion project is this? I want to see his or her other work! (I posted a reply earlier, but it didn't seem to register with YT lol)
Well firstly the production structure is different, with no production committee involved, which allows complete creative freedom to the studio, second the sheer amount of talent involved with the project is really impressive, even by the full sakuga show standards. I don't think it's one single person's passion project however, I think more like the whole studio
sadly,just because of they used a ''bad cg'' on this episode those people claim that there was no efford in it
It's sad to see people, especially those with little to no knowledge about visuals talk about it, but unfortunately that's where we are at the moment
The visuals blew me away god dammit. However when denji actually turned into chainsaw man and started cutting shit I was a little disappointed, probably because I still have some bias against cgi but I think it was also because the ever-so-slight awkwardness of the cgi was jarring considering how majestic the rest of the episode looked and felt.
The quality of the show and the art and animation of the character movements is top notch but the action looked a little subpar with all that 3D and speaking of the 3D unfortunately is just slightly above mediocre IMO (strictly talking about Denji and some of his scenes as chainsaw man).
Oh and those 3D cars looked bad that's the only thing that was bad in the ep but overall i quite enjoyed it and was surprised how slow the pacing was cause i was expecting fast pacing because of how the manga is like and considering there will be only 12 eps, i mean they literally adapted only the first chapter.. i did not expect that kind of pacing and i actually love it.
Most animes use 3D cars anyways. I’d agree that the CG texture needs some polish (common issue with whatever software MAPPA uses for their 3D animations), otherwise a great first episode. What made the mediocre CG good was mostly Studio Capsule’s rad composition. Kudos to the production team for this adaptation!
I had high expectations for this anime but I was still blown away by the level of quality throughout the entire episode and if the whole anime looks like this or even better I'm going to lose it.
Pretty awesome breakdown, man. I really enjoyed the vid and your delivery!
Thanks a lot 🙏🙌
Perfectly summed up my thoughts, w video
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Here's a sub from me . Keep up the good gork.
This is exactly why I would give this episode a 9/10. Everything looked really good, top tier even. The reason I didn't give it a 10/10 is because of the solid CGI. It wasn't bad, but it also wasn't as good as everything else in the episode and I'd consider it the only possible ''flaw''.
That's fair, that's what I'd give the episode visually as well, maybe a 9.5 but not a 10 as it's not "perfect" it's really close to it
yes its good anime its 7.5 for me! cant wait for more!!
The CGI models are nothing out of this world but the storyboarding, animation, and compositing work so well that it elevates those moments a lot. I always feel like those mix of 2d with 3d can sometimes work against itself because of how jarring and difficult that transition is, but this was honestly some of the smoothest integration of the two I ever saw.
This was worth the wait
are you gonna cover csm only or are you also gonna cover other shows like bleach,mob psycho,blue lock or my hero
Unfortunately no I will not cover those shows simply because there isn't enough time
And to think there are ppl still calling this overhyped trash. They must be out their minds.
The only thing going through my head during the entire episode was, finally some good fucking compositing.
The only bad thing i could find is when denji is running from zombies but the blood stain disappears then appears in next panel but one barely notices that.
Everything else hits hard-action,story,animation really good shit.
Everything looked amazing except some of the 3d in the fight scene
Kouki Fujimoto is a god. His Character animation is very realistic. Specially the ones in the Opening
Im curious on your thoughts of the Bleach anime episode if you seen it. Doesn't need to be a video can be a community post or just a quick reply to this comment lol
Well yea, it's essentially what I said in a previous community post, the art direction/composite and the effects animation looks very good but the character animation is fairly lacking, both during action and non action scenes. The cgi for the hollows looks decent enough
I believe that if done right a fully 2d anime easily surpasses one with both 2d and 3d. May I know your opinion pp
I believe an ideal blend between cgi and 2d anime will look better than an ideal fully 2d anime
@@ProbablyPretentious I respect that opinion but for me, I’d agree to it only if it was something ufotable does ( tracing a 2d character over a cg model like you said in your other video), not for explicit cgi like the csm model I saw. Take my comment with a grain of salt since I haven’t seen the actual episode
What do you think about those who say that CGI is awful?
I think they need to visit the eye doctor
Wait chms episode realesed already what world am I living in
Ok listen everything in the episode was fucking godlike and I haven’t seen an anime being done this way so naturally i was expecting the cgi to be godlike as well and unfortunately it wasn’t!!
i would say that there are already a lot of shows which should have shown anime fans that cgi is not such a bad thing
Are u from India???
Yep
@@ProbablyPretentious me too
The 3d still looks funky...
Kinda the point, why would a guy with a human body and a chainsaw head look and move normally?
Hey pretentious, how much of the staff are freelancers... I am asking because people are doing that mappa vs bones thing again
Nearly everyone, yea
@@yname ok, thanks
Cgi was good uh
First
Can you make a video slandering my hero academia? Thanks in advance.
You know what I probably will lmao, I have ranted a lot about the show when I was watching the earlier seasons over on my Instagram as well
I think you should watch chainsaw man by reducing saturation in windows by using apps like VibranceGUI, Nvidia Control Panel, AMD Radeon Setting etc,
I changed from 50 % to 35 % in my NVIDIA Control Panel and it almost liked the Chainsaw first teaser that went viral and it also kinda made CGI less noticable some shots
@Probably Pretentious if it works for you too then pin this
I guess that would somewhat work for just the cgi, but csm already has a very desaturated, muted look, desaturating it further is overkill I'd say. And using third party services to do so seems like too much work tbh, it's fine if it works for ya ig. I always watch stuff the way it releases