Yeah Lana fans aren’t just blindly following her. Like what does Anthony think we are? I’m not sure why he would make this video. Like I’m an Anthony fan but I just don’t understand why he needs to trash Lana like this. This album is pretty much a 2010s classic and he’s mentioned multiple times he doesn’t care for her older stuff. It’s just frustrating cause it feels like he’s trying to take this iconic debut away from her. All love to Anthony though, just alittle upsetting from a Lana fan and an Anthony fan.
Will never forget being in my first week at uni, getting back with some newfound friends from a night out... that performance shut every rowdy drunk in that room right up. You could hear a pin drop.
Some one pointed out how male artists are allowed to sing songs about self destruction but when women do it they're being misogynistic and upholding the patriarchy. Hozier can sing songs about his abuse and how inspite it he tolerates and even loves his partner, the weekend can talk about his unhealthy sexual relationships. But when lana talks about her disempowered and submissive role she's somehow setting women back. As a feminist i will always admire Lana's music. Sure there's criticisms to be made especially in her earlier albums. But lana, even if she doesn't have the best understanding of feminism, in my opinion sums up the "women" experience for many women and thus you can say her music is important in understanding feminism. Being a feminist doesn't mean you're always the alpha, strong, independent and stoic. That's toxic masculinity. Feminism has been about recognising women as equal to men and allowing men and women to experience all the range of emotions irrespective of their gender. Obviously being excessively submissive can hurt you, and lana has written about that pretty clearly in songs like Carmen and Ultraviolence. but just the fact that she's always been transparent with her emotions has been very helpful to women. As it has helped them understand their sometimes harmlessly submissive, sometimes dangerously submissive lives.
I think you hit the nail on the head 💯🔨 Male artists are allowed to sing songs about self-destructive traits/flaws and be real people, but when women do it they're construed as anti-feminist for not fitting into some stereotype about how women should be. If males are allowed to be multi-faceted, complex people with their own personalities, desires and flaws... so can women.
@@hjyeager9877 sounds like ur butthurt that other people have different opinions on Finn. who gives a shit? let him make his dumb little joke and move on.
@@liamernst9626 bruh why are you taking this comment so seriously? I like Fantano and enjoy listening to his opinions, therefore if he's doing retrospectives of his old reviews, I want to see him do one that I originally disagreed with when he first uploaded it. It's not that deep. I can enjoy whatever I want-including Fantano's reviews AND the albums Fantano dislikes simultaneously.
@@chromberries7329 At the same time, think of all the beauty Fantano has experienced (almost certainly more than any of us) that you just didn't vibe with either. It goes both ways.
@@R-H-B Those might be amazing, wonderful records but a condition for a classic is to withstand the test of time, isn't it? Idk, maybe I'm being too strict..
@@sebastianbardon391 I don’t love Carter 3 that much, it was just an insanely influential album as was GKMC, and TPAB just completely blew every other rap album at the time out of the water. I was going to say LIR1 or LIR2 but I think that’s mainly down to my personal enjoyment rather than it’s influence
@@R-H-B I'm new to hiphop and to Melon's channel so I haven't heard any of the them yet. I'm up for a treat haha. I've been digging Jurassic 5, MF DOOM, Deltron 3000.. tonight I will listen to TPAB for the first time, the expectations are stratospherical!
to me it was always very clear that lana del rey herself is a satirical character of the american 50’s/60’s diva aesthetic, critizing the hypocrisy of american culture in an ironic way, so i really don’t think we should be expecting progressive lyrics, that was never the point at all she’s embracing that character, that aesthetic, mostly in her early eras but even in the newer ones it’s still a significant subject, but dealed with more maturity if 2012 tumblr took it seriously that’s not her fault
she just come out with her new album and on her song fingertips she mentions how it isn’t satire or a tragedy… and that “there’s no f****ing greek in it”
@@joshs7160a good lot of it was actually, she’s stated herself that she doesn’t have a “persona” and wouldn’t want to be labelled that way, seeing how much she’s changed and her critiques on her older works, it’s kind of undeniable songs like “brooklyn baby” “fucked my way up to the top” and “lolita” are heavily satire
Your takes on this album are absolutely understandable, however, this era of LDR's is definitely more "for the girls" so-to speak. It's this niche atmosphere that isn't meant to necessarily give the listener a more universally-recognizable means of empowerment. It isn't quite so cut and dry like that, I feel. It speaks a great deal to the femme fatale, sad girl movement of the time that more or less held a space for those who may have felt other means of feminism at the time were too performative/borderline insensitive to those who's issues may not have been so easily aided by most artists/media at the time. BTD in-particular is an, albeit dramatized, diary entry where you can feel these sweeping, intensive emotional cycles that feel almost manic, shallow, yet increasingly specific undertones. Overall, just to wrap this point up, I feel like this album is meant to convey the feelings of escapism and melodrama that a lot of younger people, specifically, may fantasize about. It certainly isn't immune to criticism, obviously, but, ultimately BTD opened up a lot of doors for young women who may have felt some type of way without a means to express themselves as freely as they'd like. Sorry for the small essay, lol.
This makes a lot of sense actually. I’ve never enjoyed listening to LDR, but also I’ve always thought she was kinda cool and that there was some substance there even if I hated the packaging and aesthetic haha
i appreciate the lenght and depth of the analysis, and your take. it was certainly some kind of early signal of what would become of the postindustrial social media hellscape of narcicism and delusions of zoomers. 15 year old zoomer that listened to BTD is now a social justice pain liberal in the ass with an identity that speaks mental ilness.
I mean regardless this will be her classic. Nothing sounded like BTD when it dropped and aesthetically/sonically influenced multiple artists for better or worse. Still always find it impressive how successful it was and continues to be. For sure she sounds more refined on her newer releases, but this and Ultraviolence will def be the ones she’s widely remembered for imo. Maybe not as influential as House of Balloons, but I always saw this as the woman version of that album for what they stand for in the 2010s if that makes sense
Interesting comparison to House of Balloons; I've always thought of BTD as the woman version of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - they both seem to tap into an almost taboo mood that the other gender might struggle to relate to.
as a person who was assigned and socialized female, and as a survivor of domestic violence, i never even realized people take lana's lyrics seriously until recently. it's poetry. she's an artist. she's not actually here saying it's great to suffer for a man or date an abuser... and the fact that people actually take her literally i think says more about them than it does about her. i never took her lyrics to mean anything like that.
honestly its mostly privileged liberal white women and men in general who were mad at her lyrics. in case of the men they were mad that her music wasnt directed at them and they felt awkward enjoying music in which a woman sings about abuse so instead of just accepting that the album isnt for them but for women they decided to get mad bc they werent included for once. and the neolib white women are the same ones who argued twilight set feminism back ten years. they always overreact to anything by and for women that isnt performatively girlboss
This is exactly how I feel. Not to play the 'it's just a joke bro' card, instead evaluate your own actions and emotional response and look introspectively when this album makes you feel whatever it does, and ask yourself why you feel that way.
I'm gonna be honest, her SNL performance of Blue Jeans endeared me to her. It took me a couple years but this album really grew on me and now I really enjoy it.
Yeah what SNL and the critics did to her in the beginning was just uncalled for. I’m so glad Lana fought back and proved them all wrong. Even born to die has more staying power most projects it’s age.
I’m close in age to LDR. She’s like 5 years older than me. When this album dropped, it reminded me of diary entries I made in middle school or fiction I wrote in high school. It instantly filled me with nostalgia and I will always appreciate this album for being a time capsule of 2012
"This is what makes us girls" has always been one of my favorite songs but I had always interpreted as more of a commentary on relationships between teenage girls. Especially with lines stating that what makes us girls is that "we put love first" and the extremes it can go to because we are taught to value romance more than friendship. Lana sounds like she's mourning these friendships and reminiscing on the memories they had together. Those friendships are quickly made, you do everything together, and then end so soon and are a heartbreak on their own. I find the song poignant and reminds me of the fast friendships that have come and gone in my life. Of course the sentiment which friendships like this are not feminist at all, but thats the reality of life, especially then. The girls I was friends with then and I didnt understand all the internalized misogyny and expectations then, and this song is about THAT, not promoting it or glamorizing it because in the end of the story Lana tells, they were her only friends and they didnt have cellphones to keep up with when she got sent away, she looses them. I find what Lana generally sings about never felt antifeminist, it always helped me feel seen in my less then ideal, emotionally abusive relationships. How submissive you are in that situation, how you'll do anything, even to your own detriment. People who have never been in that situation (including myself before it happened to me) understand how controlled you are in the situation and how that manipulation makes you feel "crazy" and "in love" when that person is being cruel and abusive. I felt this was the topic she was TRYING to bring up in her controversial instagram post about how she's such an underdog in the music industry. She obviously did NOT communicate it well, but I understood what she meant... she really didnt have to bring WOC artists into her very different struggle tho. Lana has made it hard to defend her now and I certainly won't, lol ACAB and her super corny lyrics at times, but I do feel very connected to most of her past and current work. It always makes me feel nostalgic and see the sad girl tumblr era through the rose colored glasses it offers, but that shit can stay in 2012 for sureeeee lol
I'm quite the opposite. LDRs earlier stuff (including Born To Die) remains on rotation for me. However, everything since just lacks that drive and oomph.
I think in general you're misreading what people are getting from this album. It's about presenting a facade of compliance with what is expected of her(the regressive elements you've identified) while simultaneously rebelling against those expectations by describing a deeply unhappy person within the songs.
Couldn't have said it better. I kinda see her image as like a Great Gatsby thing. Just drown your emptiness with hedonism because nothing matters anyway. That's real, and it's relatable.
This album has aged so well. One of my favorite classics from the 2010s. I loved seeing her revolution as an artist. All of her records got better and better.
Born To Die: Banger Off to the races: Trash Blue Jeans: Banger Video Games: Banger Diet Mountain Dew: Trash National Anthem: Trash Dark Paradise: Banger Radio: Banger Carmen: Meh Million Dollar Man: Trash Summertime…: Banger This is what makes…: Meh Without You: Meh Lolita: Trash Lucky Ones: Meh
I think This Is What Makes Us Girls isn’t about being a rebellious woman culturally, like activists, or going against some norms, but more about being young and naive, thinking you understand life and what’s best for you and maybe not doing “bad” things as Anthony describes but doing what young women perceive as bad in a cool girl bad kind of way. I was 12 when that album came out and I always thought that was the point, like as young women sometimes we want to live this fast life where we party, try drugs, hangout with sketchy people, fall in love but it’s a rollercoaster of toxicity and “passion”, heartbreak and harmful coping mechanisms. We think that’s what it means to grow up, until we hit a wall and realize how destructive we’ve been to ourselves, and how childish we’ve been behaving. We suffer the consequences of our actions and realize we just romanticized something stupid. Personally, going through my teens and early 20s, I definitely have witnessed friends and acquaintances go through this. Just because it’s not rebellious in a women’s rights sense, doesn’t mean that as a young naive inexperienced girl you don’t feel like you’re living a chaotic life. I have friends who did a coke daily in high school/university thinking it was fun and then ended up struggling with it and had a “how the fuck did I get here” moment and I feel like that is kind of more so what This Is What Makes Us Girls is about.
The thing is, I thought the song was almost saying something about the female experience with the chorus but yeah most of the lyrics just seems to push this idea of teen rebellion basically, but mainly girls doing it which made me as disappointed as anthony. Some of the behavior described in the song was just mindless behavior but honestly, out of the norm of what "naughty" teens even do tbh. It's was pretty weird in that way actually.
The issue is a lot of these songs are about her experiences, mainly as a teen and young adult . It’s gonna be somber, dramatic, sorta cringy. Cause that’s what life is like as a teen and young adult, especially as a girl. This is what makes us girls is incredibly relatable when you’re a teen girl. Men take advantage of you very often and it takes a lot to grow from this headspace that this is how life is supposed to be.
idk as a feminist i've always loved lana's music. it's an interesting perspective and feminine in a rare way. i never thought of her as an anti-feminist her music was dramatic and was in on the joke in my eyes
Also a feminist here, her views are more on the trad style and wanting to please a man and worship. Idk it's kinda jarring. But again I still do bop to some of her songs.
The thing is, there are tons of artists who have recorded more "tasteful," "better" albums than LDR's BTD but none of them will ever write something like Video Games. She's become more consistent, but when she gets a song right, it can be totally classic.
Video Games, Born to Die, Summertime Sadness and Lucky Ones are examples of Born to Die done right. RIght amount of strings, minimal hip hop beats and her voice just sound so mature and warm yet melachonly and emotional.
I really love this album mostly just because of the context of my life when I first listened to it. First semester of college, my friends and I packed into our soccer mom van and driving around town with Born To Die playing.
@@nicholasmicheloto3589 yeah it was sad as a little monster to see it kind of just dismissed. Born This Way was (and kinda is still) a monument in pop culture. I think songs like Scheiße, Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lover, and Marry The Night sound really really strong even today. I’m very biased towards her though, as ide give everything mainline of hers an 8/10. Every album is her best in some way.
Good video, Anthony. Only issue I have with it was the very unnecessary 5 minute misogynistic rant on how Lana Del Rey should get good at cooking in the kitchen since her music is “dreadful”
didn't he rate it a decent/strong 7? Love Kate and this album, probably more like a 9, but seems a strange review to come back to. Would love to see The Dreaming on Classics Week but think he's done HoL already so unlikely
@@tobyhall7543 iirc it was an 8, but i'd still find it interesting to hear his take on it now that he's familiar with her, because i feel like it radically changes how you approach the album. if anything, i find it fascinating to watch his original review BECAUSE you never hear someone talk about that album outside of people who are already KB fans. its an interesting perspective, especially for THAT album to be your introduction. like listening to radiohead for the first time with a moon shaped pool
This album was so formative for me in my teenage years. There definitely was a bit of a cult movement in the early 2010s when Tumblr was big and with artists like Lana and Marina (and the Diamonds). It was like a looking glass for many young people like me who were miserable as teens
I will probably die on this hill when I say that Born To Die is my favorite LDR album just for its catchy nature and it being more upbeat than the other records in her discography. Yes, the lyrics suck but I enjoy the instrumentals. NFR may be her best but BTD is my favorite.
It was my first Lana album ( I even bought the special edition cd package back then lol) and I still love it. The whole vibe, the music videos, her voice … so good.
I've always maintained that this album is satire. The flat and lifeless delivery, the lyrical content, the regressive characterizations, string embellishments. Especially when you consider her later career, this album just feels contrived. But that's why I love it. It's such a great send up of pop stars and teenagers.
It took me a few years to really vibe with Born to Die, and even now I'd say it's not an album I love, but it has some very strong highlights and creates a pretty distinct musical atmosphere that I enjoy from time to time. I prefer NFR and Lorde's Pure Heroine for this style overall, but I visit Born to Die more than I would have expected given how I felt about it when it came out. It's worth people's time, especially if you enjoy other Lana projects.
I don't think every song needs to have a "politically correct" message. don't get me wrong, I'm very much a feminist, but like someone else said, emotions aren't always politically correct. not to be that person or whatever but I feel like Anthony kind of missed the point because he's never lived as a woman
I largely agree. Especially because so many of these songs aren’t saying “women should be submissive and subservient to men” but rather “*I like* being submissive and subservient to men.” There’s nothing wrong with having that mindset if that’s the type of woman you are, and she’s also trying to sing about a time period in which women were overwhelming treated like this. Simply singing about regressive gender roles doesn’t make you an advocate for them, it just means you’re talking about them.
@@____toomuch____ idk what this means but if it means what I’m thinking it means, it’s ridiculous to even attempt to separate emotions from any half competent songwriter. sold or not.
As a Lana fan for years now, at the time I wasn't so in tune with pop culture per say. I just vibed with music and that's it. So imagine me watching her SNL performance years after it happened. I think it's very endearing now and a testament to how much she grew. And to be honest, I might or might've not laughed my ass off watching it but that's besides the point 🤣 Love Lana! Honeymoon is one of my favorite albums of all time!
I actually don't mind this album. The production, obviously, is the best part, but it's a fun album (despite the lyrics being super tragic-- not quality-wise-- these lyrics are truly about some sad and sometimes heavy shit), and songs constantly being about toxic romances. This album is even better when you think of how big of a pop culture event the SNL performance was, and how Video Games blew up. And the longevity Lana has had with her discography (even landing a Grammy for one of her newer projects). I say all of this as someone who doesn't really "stan" an artist; if I like an artist's music and are somewhat interested in their persona, I won't mind even a filler album or two album from them. If I had to rate Born to Die, I'd give it a 5. It's not a great LP, and NFR! and Chemtrails are clearly so much better, but I view (and enjoy) this album as a time capsule for 2012 pop culture more so than a standalone musical project, if that makes any sense.
I think it diverges from a ton of regular pop music and people seem to really dislike her unorthodox style of singing but it doesn’t really bother me at all. Lana is one of very few artists that has made me feel emotion to the extent that I have purely from music. I personally think her unorthodox voice was really beautiful if a bit contrasting with the instrumentals and I think her lyricism was dead clever. It’s a strong 8 for me.
Yhea tbh her first 4 albums are imo 10× better then her newer ones. Maybe lyrically she has matured but the early albums had more life and werent just nice piano ballads. Like she had something to say musically back then now im just getting bored by her projects
I would encourage you to take a second look at Ultraviolence. It is the only LP of hers I really enjoy. The lyrics on it aren't always the best but I just love that black edgy dream pop sound. It's a much needed diversion from her run-of-the-mill sad tune.
@@marie-claire3340 right yeah, i don’t think she’s a perfect artist or anything, i’m not a fan of a few of her projects, but ultraviolence has too many good songs to be be her lowest rated album by him
@@captainbrainius6273 OK. I was just a bit little confused without context 😄. I get you now. I just remembered that Google sometimes translates comments written in English to English
There was a responsibility placed on Lana to be a standard bearer for feminism or something to that effect, when the whole point is that she shouldn’t have to be anything other than what she chooses. Societal pressure to be a certain way, from my understanding, is antithetical to feminism.
not really. there’s a whole “false consciousness” undercurrent to a lot of (esp second wave) feminist thought, where doing things like wearing makeup or seeming sexually available or ceding power to men can’t be truly voluntary since it’s a conditioned reaction. pressuring women to act differently, or at least reconsider why we act the way we do, isn’t anti-feminist at all from that perspective. i think it’s silly to expect hard-hitting feminist messaging from a random pop star so i’m not disagreeing in general though
@@cuttlefish1801 I really appreciate your nuanced reply. You make a great point in regards to the second-wave feminism perspective. It's not a perspective I personally agree with, but it's worth mentioning. Moreover, your final sentence really hits the nail on the head.
This was my first lana album and still to this day one of my favorites next to ultraviolence, honeymoon, and chemtrails so it holds a really special place in my heart but i understand why some might not like it and i appreciate your input. Great video as always :)
This is definitely true, and while Billie I think did the "sad girl aesthetic" much more tastefully and substantively, and sonically it was better produced and written that BTD, I still think as an audience we were more ready for it and ready to accept. Whereas Lana's pop record was competing against Roar by Katy Perry, haha.
I think you fail to realize that this album and era were about escapism and nostalgia. yeah the lyrics were kinda awkward but the production was very different for that time
im kinda the opposite, it's totally grown on me over time and when i go back to this i notice a lot of things i never appreciated before. really messy at times, but i always find more than i thought was there before. not a perfect album by any means, and disliking it is totally valid, but it's grown on me quite a bit over the years
blistering hot take, but admirable. its always been like, my second favorite behind NFR tho. i find it either got slept on or bashed really unfairly. i always got the weirdest reactions when i used to say it was my favorite of hers back before NFR came out lol
@@sonicthehedgegod It’s definitely her best alongside nfr! Songs like Terrence Loves You, Swan Song, & the title track are just unbelievably gorgeous & lot of the experimentation such as on Art Deco is really cool. Lyrically definitely one of her best & most consistent records as well.
@@R-H-B Yeah as time has gone on and more time has passed since I first listened to BtD (which was around the time I posted this comment) I’ve started to think of that album as possibly being her best. But I’d need to hear them both again before I really say anything serious.
@@cyrusthagreat6649 fair enough. Born to Die, NFR and Ultraviolence (although I don’t love ultraviolence) are the Lana albums that I come back to and for me they’re all good. I’d probably give Ultraviolence a light 7, NFR a decent 8, and BTD a light to decent 9. Lana’s music is flawed but I’ll say she’s very consistent
He wasn’t good 10 years ago for sure but he got a lot better… from his word usage to his camera presence, his music knowledge is much wider, he started to accept more new stuff than he did before and now he got way more experience.
@@user-oq3in5pz3d idk for a 26 year old, he was pretty articulate and well rounded. and it turns out hes one of the most well known music reviewers of our time. so...... idk
I’ve always felt so conflicted with this album, because while I generally agreed with some criticisms when it came out, I didn’t feel all that negative about it. I didn’t love it, but I certainly didn’t hate it. In fact, at the time I kind of took it as more of a cynical/sarcastic piece. Since then I have wondered more and more, “Oh God, was she really in that frame of mind back then? I thought she was kidding.” Either way it strikes me as an amusing melodrama, whether or not she was being serious. In interviews she says it’s autobiographical, but I feel like if you just read between the lines, there’s so much offbeat humor. It seems like she’s exaggerating herself and poking fun at The American Dream. Then again…maybe not? That’s the thing. It was so exquisitely vague. Some might call it convoluted, some may say abstract, but regardless it is amazingly oppositional to itself in every regard. It makes the album interesting and frustrating. It’s a very novel piece of work. Still, I feel like everything she did was almost deliberately backwards and confusing. I think the animosity she sparked was in being so utterly nebulous about her intentions. It made her seem fake, but I always wonder, “What if ‘fake’ was her ‘real?’”
idc what fantano says or anyone says. this album is a masterpiece that changed alternative music forever. it also saved people’s sanity and lives just look at the comments
Agree! I don’t mind Fantano as much as other music critics but I don’t like how some people act like his opinions as fact Plus his regressive comment is a huge disagreement I had. The song “This Is What Makes Us Girls” is about girl teenage hood and how there’s an expectation in society to put romance above friendships
@@peachica Are we listening to the same album here or just the music/production? like without song writing and just pure vibes bcoz Kill You can also help people through "depression" let along that who can relate Logic song
This album is one of the best of all time, not because of the music perse but because it continues to inspire conversation beyond "omg so problematic and edgy" 10 years past its release. It really is one of those "where were you when xyz happened" albums. At the end of the day good art provokes, not unilaterally aligned with one ideology but instead a discussion with multiple POVs and opinions.
Not all women feel the same way. Not even all feminist agree with criticisms of gender roles. If anything it’s sexist to condemn her as being “regressive” just because she doesn’t conform to a certain sect of progressive ideals of what a women should be. And as others have pointed out, not every lyric or song should be treated as some political text. If those are important things to her or how she felt in that point in her life, its silly to then extract it as this political message of regression. Fantano literally complaining because Lana Del Rey sings about being bad with partying (something which is alot more relatable to most young girls) - instead of being bad by raging against the patriarchy man. Yawn. Give me a break.
it's probably because i'm not really familiar with Americana as you but i've always found this weird "Alanis Morissette in a toilet bowl" quality to her act, like the bad half of every Morissette song is what's going on here.
The vocals on this album are really rough and the lyrically it's filled with cliches but for some reason this album just works. The songs just have a super overdramatic, grand sound that's intoxicating. My second favourite Lana album after NFR.
10:00 Lana is describing real life events where she skipped classes and indulged in underage drinking in that song, so anyone who thinks she's romanticizing the same is simply misinterpreting the intention of the art. not just that, you're cringing (8:45) at someone's truth and vulnerability just because you think that persona aligns with clichéd sentiments. its really all round awfully disturbing.
I love LDR's music, especially her later works, but I absolutely hate her first album. I mean, I tried to like it, or at least tolerate it just to be supportive (which is so wrong: you should always be objective and not force yourself to like something) but no: it's really unlistenable to my ears. At the same time I'm happy that so many people loved it so that she could have the support necessary to make more music and progress in her career evolving into the artist she is now.
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5:24 As a Lana fan, we haven’t forgotten the SNL performance. Most think it’s hilarious and a testament to her growth, it’s kind of legendary
Yeah Lana fans aren’t just blindly following her. Like what does Anthony think we are? I’m not sure why he would make this video. Like I’m an Anthony fan but I just don’t understand why he needs to trash Lana like this. This album is pretty much a 2010s classic and he’s mentioned multiple times he doesn’t care for her older stuff. It’s just frustrating cause it feels like he’s trying to take this iconic debut away from her. All love to Anthony though, just alittle upsetting from a Lana fan and an Anthony fan.
@@carlydelreyjepsen927 it's not that deep I promise
@@theelectricant98 yeah I understand. I usually don’t rant like this but this video got me.
@@carlydelreyjepsen927 this video is about anthony, not lana
Will never forget being in my first week at uni, getting back with some newfound friends from a night out... that performance shut every rowdy drunk in that room right up. You could hear a pin drop.
this man's reviews have to be the sole reason why they took away dislikes.
i blame Fantano for this! Pls bring dislikes back
@@kuppakassi No thanks
bruh as if mf ever cared about dislikes
the main point of the original video is don't get bitten in the butt. Easy to agree with.
:)
Some one pointed out how male artists are allowed to sing songs about self destruction but when women do it they're being misogynistic and upholding the patriarchy. Hozier can sing songs about his abuse and how inspite it he tolerates and even loves his partner, the weekend can talk about his unhealthy sexual relationships. But when lana talks about her disempowered and submissive role she's somehow setting women back.
As a feminist i will always admire Lana's music. Sure there's criticisms to be made especially in her earlier albums. But lana, even if she doesn't have the best understanding of feminism, in my opinion sums up the "women" experience for many women and thus you can say her music is important in understanding feminism. Being a feminist doesn't mean you're always the alpha, strong, independent and stoic. That's toxic masculinity. Feminism has been about recognising women as equal to men and allowing men and women to experience all the range of emotions irrespective of their gender. Obviously being excessively submissive can hurt you, and lana has written about that pretty clearly in songs like Carmen and Ultraviolence. but just the fact that she's always been transparent with her emotions has been very helpful to women. As it has helped them understand their sometimes harmlessly submissive, sometimes dangerously submissive lives.
I think you hit the nail on the head 💯🔨 Male artists are allowed to sing songs about self-destructive traits/flaws and be real people, but when women do it they're construed as anti-feminist for not fitting into some stereotype about how women should be.
If males are allowed to be multi-faceted, complex people with their own personalities, desires and flaws... so can women.
As a feminist, shouldn't you understand that women are naturally going to be more criticized for that because of the associated power imbalance?
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@@joshs7160 romanticizing abuse in toxic relationships is feminist now?
fantano criticized abel as well for the same thing its not exclusive to female artists
need you to revisit ultraviolence cause that 2/10 review was insanity
2/10?????
How is that possible 😧
I didn’t like Ultraviolence either but there’s so much he misunderstood about it. A 2/10 is mental
@@R-H-B yeah i would say it’s a 6.5/10. It has some of my favorite Lana songs but there are way too many skips
@@toliveandfry It’s a 4/10 for me. It just sounded like badly mixed leftovers from the mediocre songs off Born To Die
I used to listen to this because I enjoyed it. Now I listen to it out of spite for this man 🥰🥰
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me Finn doesn’t care that you listen to Erra lmao he literally always says to listen to what you enjoy
It is absolutely ridiculous to me how people genuinely hate him because he has opinions you disagree with.
So remember, the next time you blast Diet Mountain Dew or Blue Jeans from this record, it’s in spite of the Melon.
@@hjyeager9877 sounds like ur butthurt that other people have different opinions on Finn. who gives a shit? let him make his dumb little joke and move on.
Good for you dude
sorry man, this album still slaps 10 years later.
the girls that get it get it and the girls that don't... don't.
exactly
deep
This means nothing. You can say this about any piece of art really.
girl that doesnt get it ^
As someone who loves Ultraviolence, Honeymoon, NFR, Chemtrails, Blue Banisters. This album is average.
You gotta do this kind of video for Ultraviolence cuz you gave that album a 2 and I’ve never forgotten.
Bruh just stop watching fantano and enjoy the albums you want to
@@liamernst9626 bruh why are you taking this comment so seriously? I like Fantano and enjoy listening to his opinions, therefore if he's doing retrospectives of his old reviews, I want to see him do one that I originally disagreed with when he first uploaded it. It's not that deep. I can enjoy whatever I want-including Fantano's reviews AND the albums Fantano dislikes simultaneously.
@@liamernst9626 we just want fantano to hear the beauty we do
@@chromberries7329 At the same time, think of all the beauty Fantano has experienced (almost certainly more than any of us) that you just didn't vibe with either. It goes both ways.
It’s the way the album is called “Born to Die” and it never fucking dies
Is this hauntology?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@CamiloSalvadorMP no
Give it another 3,000 years...
@@chrisjfox8715 the earth won't even live that long babe
Born To Die changed the fabric of my world. Can't imagine what my tastes would be like without it. Sorry Fantano, it's a classic.
Can it be called a classic after only 10 years?
@@sebastianbardon391 I’d consider GKMC, Carter 3 and TPAB
@@R-H-B Those might be amazing, wonderful records but a condition for a classic is to withstand the test of time, isn't it? Idk, maybe I'm being too strict..
@@sebastianbardon391 I don’t love Carter 3 that much, it was just an insanely influential album as was GKMC, and TPAB just completely blew every other rap album at the time out of the water. I was going to say LIR1 or LIR2 but I think that’s mainly down to my personal enjoyment rather than it’s influence
@@R-H-B I'm new to hiphop and to Melon's channel so I haven't heard any of the them yet. I'm up for a treat haha. I've been digging Jurassic 5, MF DOOM, Deltron 3000.. tonight I will listen to TPAB for the first time, the expectations are stratospherical!
to me it was always very clear that lana del rey herself is a satirical character of the american 50’s/60’s diva aesthetic, critizing the hypocrisy of american culture in an ironic way, so i really don’t think we should be expecting progressive lyrics, that was never the point at all
she’s embracing that character, that aesthetic, mostly in her early eras but even in the newer ones it’s still a significant subject, but dealed with more maturity
if 2012 tumblr took it seriously that’s not her fault
exactly she never signed up to be a role model for women anyway, just because she's a female artist doesn't mean that's her responsibility
she just come out with her new album and on her song fingertips she mentions how it isn’t satire or a tragedy… and that “there’s no f****ing greek in it”
@@laduradelasduras no true Lana fan thinks her early music was satire, a persona for sure, but not satire
@@joshs7160a good lot of it was actually, she’s stated herself that she doesn’t have a “persona” and wouldn’t want to be labelled that way, seeing how much she’s changed and her critiques on her older works, it’s kind of undeniable songs like “brooklyn baby” “fucked my way up to the top” and “lolita” are heavily satire
This man really just reviewed himself
It's a smart idea
Sometimes we have to.
And agreed with himself
@@unknown_truck 10
Melon gaaaames.
Your takes on this album are absolutely understandable, however, this era of LDR's is definitely more "for the girls" so-to speak. It's this niche atmosphere that isn't meant to necessarily give the listener a more universally-recognizable means of empowerment. It isn't quite so cut and dry like that, I feel. It speaks a great deal to the femme fatale, sad girl movement of the time that more or less held a space for those who may have felt other means of feminism at the time were too performative/borderline insensitive to those who's issues may not have been so easily aided by most artists/media at the time. BTD in-particular is an, albeit dramatized, diary entry where you can feel these sweeping, intensive emotional cycles that feel almost manic, shallow, yet increasingly specific undertones. Overall, just to wrap this point up, I feel like this album is meant to convey the feelings of escapism and melodrama that a lot of younger people, specifically, may fantasize about. It certainly isn't immune to criticism, obviously, but, ultimately BTD opened up a lot of doors for young women who may have felt some type of way without a means to express themselves as freely as they'd like. Sorry for the small essay, lol.
TL;DR: my toxic ex listened to her > lana bad 🤑😎🤓
This makes a lot of sense actually. I’ve never enjoyed listening to LDR, but also I’ve always thought she was kinda cool and that there was some substance there even if I hated the packaging and aesthetic haha
i appreciate the lenght and depth of the analysis, and your take.
it was certainly some kind of early signal of what would become of the postindustrial social media hellscape of narcicism and delusions of zoomers. 15 year old zoomer that listened to BTD is now a social justice pain liberal in the ass with an identity that speaks mental ilness.
Tbh the strings/hip hop beats sound really cool to me, but that might just be because the album really resonated with me a while back
I mean regardless this will be her classic. Nothing sounded like BTD when it dropped and aesthetically/sonically influenced multiple artists for better or worse. Still always find it impressive how successful it was and continues to be. For sure she sounds more refined on her newer releases, but this and Ultraviolence will def be the ones she’s widely remembered for imo. Maybe not as influential as House of Balloons, but I always saw this as the woman version of that album for what they stand for in the 2010s if that makes sense
NFR! is her classic
@@mirroredheart7292 in the music nerd circle I wouldn't disagree, but outside of that it's def born to die
Bloons tower defense
yup. people shit on this but so many artists today were heavily influenced by this album
Interesting comparison to House of Balloons; I've always thought of BTD as the woman version of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - they both seem to tap into an almost taboo mood that the other gender might struggle to relate to.
as a person who was assigned and socialized female, and as a survivor of domestic violence,
i never even realized people take lana's lyrics seriously until recently. it's poetry. she's an artist. she's not actually here saying it's great to suffer for a man or date an abuser... and the fact that people actually take her literally i think says more about them than it does about her. i never took her lyrics to mean anything like that.
honestly its mostly privileged liberal white women and men in general who were mad at her lyrics. in case of the men they were mad that her music wasnt directed at them and they felt awkward enjoying music in which a woman sings about abuse so instead of just accepting that the album isnt for them but for women they decided to get mad bc they werent included for once. and the neolib white women are the same ones who argued twilight set feminism back ten years. they always overreact to anything by and for women that isnt performatively girlboss
@@lunali7209 👏👏👏👏👏
It’s like hardcore Christian’s/baptists reading the Bible and taking everything literally 😩
This is exactly how I feel. Not to play the 'it's just a joke bro' card, instead evaluate your own actions and emotional response and look introspectively when this album makes you feel whatever it does, and ask yourself why you feel that way.
This
I'm gonna be honest, her SNL performance of Blue Jeans endeared me to her. It took me a couple years but this album really grew on me and now I really enjoy it.
Yeah what SNL and the critics did to her in the beginning was just uncalled for. I’m so glad Lana fought back and proved them all wrong. Even born to die has more staying power most projects it’s age.
I dont get why she was targeted so strongly when every snl performance sounds like straight up doodoo
@@MoogMoog For real SNL performances are usually shit
this is misogyny
!
Watch, in 10 years he’ll say the same thing
misogyny is when man dosen't like album
@@astrocat1013 misogyny is when dipshit chatter doesn’t realize it’s a joke
I mean he’s also given her eights and nines so it seems like he’s definitely capable of like Lana albums even if he didn’t like this one
I’m close in age to LDR. She’s like 5 years older than me. When this album dropped, it reminded me of diary entries I made in middle school or fiction I wrote in high school. It instantly filled me with nostalgia and I will always appreciate this album for being a time capsule of 2012
Same. This album came out my first year of college. So much nostalgia for the sad melodrama haha
"This is what makes us girls" has always been one of my favorite songs but I had always interpreted as more of a commentary on relationships between teenage girls. Especially with lines stating that what makes us girls is that "we put love first" and the extremes it can go to because we are taught to value romance more than friendship. Lana sounds like she's mourning these friendships and reminiscing on the memories they had together. Those friendships are quickly made, you do everything together, and then end so soon and are a heartbreak on their own. I find the song poignant and reminds me of the fast friendships that have come and gone in my life. Of course the sentiment which friendships like this are not feminist at all, but thats the reality of life, especially then. The girls I was friends with then and I didnt understand all the internalized misogyny and expectations then, and this song is about THAT, not promoting it or glamorizing it because in the end of the story Lana tells, they were her only friends and they didnt have cellphones to keep up with when she got sent away, she looses them.
I find what Lana generally sings about never felt antifeminist, it always helped me feel seen in my less then ideal, emotionally abusive relationships. How submissive you are in that situation, how you'll do anything, even to your own detriment.
People who have never been in that situation (including myself before it happened to me) understand how controlled you are in the situation and how that manipulation makes you feel "crazy" and "in love" when that person is being cruel and abusive.
I felt this was the topic she was TRYING to bring up in her controversial instagram post about how she's such an underdog in the music industry. She obviously did NOT communicate it well, but I understood what she meant... she really didnt have to bring WOC artists into her very different struggle tho.
Lana has made it hard to defend her now and I certainly won't, lol ACAB and her super corny lyrics at times, but I do feel very connected to most of her past and current work. It always makes me feel nostalgic and see the sad girl tumblr era through the rose colored glasses it offers, but that shit can stay in 2012 for sureeeee lol
I'm quite the opposite. LDRs earlier stuff (including Born To Die) remains on rotation for me. However, everything since just lacks that drive and oomph.
Uh, nfr?
@@chromberries7329 since that its been to accapella and folky, like the blend of soft and edge was her main appeal to me.
@@chromberries7329 I did quite enjoy DYKTTATUOB? and NFR
I’ll admit CCOTC and BB didn’t really do it for me
I think in general you're misreading what people are getting from this album.
It's about presenting a facade of compliance with what is expected of her(the regressive elements you've identified) while simultaneously rebelling against those expectations by describing a deeply unhappy person within the songs.
exactly!!
hard agree 🤔
Couldn't have said it better. I kinda see her image as like a Great Gatsby thing. Just drown your emptiness with hedonism because nothing matters anyway. That's real, and it's relatable.
@@davidjairala69 i like this album but no lmaoo
Spill he just doesn’t understand
This album has aged so well. One of my favorite classics from the 2010s. I loved seeing her revolution as an artist. All of her records got better and better.
Just re-listened…and yeah I still love this album
He gave Ultraviolence a 2, which is ridiculous.
Hes right
"NOOOOOO HE GAVE MY FAV ALBUM A LOW RATING 😭😭😭"
@@handsomelyditto4215😂
Melon is the anthem
God you’re so handsome
Do you still hate this album later on
He said yes yes yes
sorry, this album is a classic
it’s def influential and has crazy staying power but lana has def gone on to make far better music
It's hot trash
Born To Die: Banger
Off to the races: Trash
Blue Jeans: Banger
Video Games: Banger
Diet Mountain Dew: Trash
National Anthem: Trash
Dark Paradise: Banger
Radio: Banger
Carmen: Meh
Million Dollar Man: Trash
Summertime…: Banger
This is what makes…: Meh
Without You: Meh
Lolita: Trash
Lucky Ones: Meh
I think This Is What Makes Us Girls isn’t about being a rebellious woman culturally, like activists, or going against some norms, but more about being young and naive, thinking you understand life and what’s best for you and maybe not doing “bad” things as Anthony describes but doing what young women perceive as bad in a cool girl bad kind of way. I was 12 when that album came out and I always thought that was the point, like as young women sometimes we want to live this fast life where we party, try drugs, hangout with sketchy people, fall in love but it’s a rollercoaster of toxicity and “passion”, heartbreak and harmful coping mechanisms. We think that’s what it means to grow up, until we hit a wall and realize how destructive we’ve been to ourselves, and how childish we’ve been behaving. We suffer the consequences of our actions and realize we just romanticized something stupid. Personally, going through my teens and early 20s, I definitely have witnessed friends and acquaintances go through this. Just because it’s not rebellious in a women’s rights sense, doesn’t mean that as a young naive inexperienced girl you don’t feel like you’re living a chaotic life. I have friends who did a coke daily in high school/university thinking it was fun and then ended up struggling with it and had a “how the fuck did I get here” moment and I feel like that is kind of more so what This Is What Makes Us Girls is about.
The thing is, I thought the song was almost saying something about the female experience with the chorus but yeah most of the lyrics just seems to push this idea of teen rebellion basically, but mainly girls doing it which made me as disappointed as anthony. Some of the behavior described in the song was just mindless behavior but honestly, out of the norm of what "naughty" teens even do tbh. It's was pretty weird in that way actually.
The issue is a lot of these songs are about her experiences, mainly as a teen and young adult . It’s gonna be somber, dramatic, sorta cringy. Cause that’s what life is like as a teen and young adult, especially as a girl. This is what makes us girls is incredibly relatable when you’re a teen girl. Men take advantage of you very often and it takes a lot to grow from this headspace that this is how life is supposed to be.
You a cringe kinky lord
This was one of the most solid strong debut album from any artist around that time and still tbh. You’re buggin lol
idk as a feminist i've always loved lana's music. it's an interesting perspective and feminine in a rare way. i never thought of her as an anti-feminist her music was dramatic and was in on the joke in my eyes
Also a feminist here, her views are more on the trad style and wanting to please a man and worship. Idk it's kinda jarring. But again I still do bop to some of her songs.
Marina (and no diamonds anymore I guess) achieved that “in on the joke” vibe (and it actually was a joke), but doesn’t scratch the same itch lol
@B exactly. feminism to me means choice
The thing is, there are tons of artists who have recorded more "tasteful," "better" albums than LDR's BTD but none of them will ever write something like Video Games. She's become more consistent, but when she gets a song right, it can be totally classic.
Video Games, Born to Die, Summertime Sadness and Lucky Ones are examples of Born to Die done right. RIght amount of strings, minimal hip hop beats and her voice just sound so mature and warm yet melachonly and emotional.
@@adam.n-steve so true, apart from Sucky Ones
@@f4gsforpele that's cold, not that I can disagree... it's way down there
10/10 feminist classic
I personally think this is a phenomenal album, every track slaps, and Born To Die & Summertime Sadness are top tier songs
I really love this album mostly just because of the context of my life when I first listened to it. First semester of college, my friends and I packed into our soccer mom van and driving around town with Born To Die playing.
How about Born this Way? Do you still hate that album?
I asked him on a stream once and he said he really enjoys the title track but hasn’t revisited it.
@@nicholasmicheloto3589 yeah it was sad as a little monster to see it kind of just dismissed. Born This Way was (and kinda is still) a monument in pop culture. I think songs like Scheiße, Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lover, and Marry The Night sound really really strong even today.
I’m very biased towards her though, as ide give everything mainline of hers an 8/10. Every album is her best in some way.
“How could you like that album? That album made us throw up!”
“And it was the most fun I’ve had throwing up in a long time!”
Good video, Anthony. Only issue I have with it was the very unnecessary 5 minute misogynistic rant on how Lana Del Rey should get good at cooking in the kitchen since her music is “dreadful”
I can’t believe he said that! My jaw dropped! How this man still is able to make videos is beyond me!
fantano fans be funny challenge (impossible)
@@haydenberberich4229 it’s sad that the best music review channel on TH-cam is always full with idiots in the comments.
@@haydenberberich4229 seethe
@@jarelllevingston7882 how am I one?
DO A REDUX OF YOUR REVIEW OF KATE BUSH'S 50 WORDS OF SNOW! You mentioned you weren't familiar with Kate Bush's discog then.
PLEASE I NEED THIS
didn't he rate it a decent/strong 7? Love Kate and this album, probably more like a 9, but seems a strange review to come back to. Would love to see The Dreaming on Classics Week but think he's done HoL already so unlikely
@@tobyhall7543 iirc it was an 8, but i'd still find it interesting to hear his take on it now that he's familiar with her, because i feel like it radically changes how you approach the album.
if anything, i find it fascinating to watch his original review BECAUSE you never hear someone talk about that album outside of people who are already KB fans. its an interesting perspective, especially for THAT album to be your introduction. like listening to radiohead for the first time with a moon shaped pool
This album was so formative for me in my teenage years. There definitely was a bit of a cult movement in the early 2010s when Tumblr was big and with artists like Lana and Marina (and the Diamonds). It was like a looking glass for many young people like me who were miserable as teens
I will probably die on this hill when I say that Born To Die is my favorite LDR album just for its catchy nature and it being more upbeat than the other records in her discography. Yes, the lyrics suck but I enjoy the instrumentals. NFR may be her best but BTD is my favorite.
Feminism >
@@joaquin5929 what the fuck do that gotta do with feminism man
yeah the music on this album is great.
Yh the strings are amazing
It’s you, it’s you, it’s not for you.
It was my first Lana album ( I even bought the special edition cd package back then lol) and I still love it. The whole vibe, the music videos, her voice … so good.
This is a beautiful album
This man certainly didn't read Lolita by Nabokov
I've always maintained that this album is satire. The flat and lifeless delivery, the lyrical content, the regressive characterizations, string embellishments. Especially when you consider her later career, this album just feels contrived. But that's why I love it. It's such a great send up of pop stars and teenagers.
Hate that this was an instant click for me
I was in the middle of watching another video too 😭
Anthony, I am utterly distraught that you have revisited Lana AND STILL NOT GIVEN ME SATISFACTORY EVIDENCE FOR ULTRAVIOLENCE BEING A TWO!!!
Not even like a high 2 it got a fucking strong 1 to a light 2
I was kinda hoping for a 2 second video of melon saying "yes" and then the rest of the 12 minutes was just him staring at the camera
Yeah idk how you dislike this album but that’s your opinion. It’s a masterpiece.
It's not a masterpiece because that's just your opinion
Same. I don't care what he thinks, if anything, it's interesting hearing different outlooks on this album, it's still my favorite album of all time.
It took me a few years to really vibe with Born to Die, and even now I'd say it's not an album I love, but it has some very strong highlights and creates a pretty distinct musical atmosphere that I enjoy from time to time. I prefer NFR and Lorde's Pure Heroine for this style overall, but I visit Born to Die more than I would have expected given how I felt about it when it came out. It's worth people's time, especially if you enjoy other Lana projects.
I don't think every song needs to have a "politically correct" message. don't get me wrong, I'm very much a feminist, but like someone else said, emotions aren't always politically correct. not to be that person or whatever but I feel like Anthony kind of missed the point because he's never lived as a woman
this!!!
these aren't emotions, these are songs that are written, produced and sold. thats the difference, so lets stop using our identities to justify it
I largely agree. Especially because so many of these songs aren’t saying “women should be submissive and subservient to men” but rather “*I like* being submissive and subservient to men.” There’s nothing wrong with having that mindset if that’s the type of woman you are, and she’s also trying to sing about a time period in which women were overwhelming treated like this. Simply singing about regressive gender roles doesn’t make you an advocate for them, it just means you’re talking about them.
@@____toomuch____ idk what this means but if it means what I’m thinking it means, it’s ridiculous to even attempt to separate emotions from any half competent songwriter. sold or not.
It’s because he has a lack of furr on his noggin. The man is at a different place, a better place, mind you.
If it was Born to Live, he would have given this a 10 years ago
As a Lana fan for years now, at the time I wasn't so in tune with pop culture per say. I just vibed with music and that's it. So imagine me watching her SNL performance years after it happened. I think it's very endearing now and a testament to how much she grew. And to be honest, I might or might've not laughed my ass off watching it but that's besides the point 🤣 Love Lana! Honeymoon is one of my favorite albums of all time!
I actually don't mind this album. The production, obviously, is the best part, but it's a fun album (despite the lyrics being super tragic-- not quality-wise-- these lyrics are truly about some sad and sometimes heavy shit), and songs constantly being about toxic romances. This album is even better when you think of how big of a pop culture event the SNL performance was, and how Video Games blew up. And the longevity Lana has had with her discography (even landing a Grammy for one of her newer projects). I say all of this as someone who doesn't really "stan" an artist; if I like an artist's music and are somewhat interested in their persona, I won't mind even a filler album or two album from them.
If I had to rate Born to Die, I'd give it a 5. It's not a great LP, and NFR! and Chemtrails are clearly so much better, but I view (and enjoy) this album as a time capsule for 2012 pop culture more so than a standalone musical project, if that makes any sense.
I think it diverges from a ton of regular pop music and people seem to really dislike her unorthodox style of singing but it doesn’t really bother me at all. Lana is one of very few artists that has made me feel emotion to the extent that I have purely from music. I personally think her unorthodox voice was really beautiful if a bit contrasting with the instrumentals and I think her lyricism was dead clever. It’s a strong 8 for me.
Yhea tbh her first 4 albums are imo 10× better then her newer ones. Maybe lyrically she has matured but the early albums had more life and werent just nice piano ballads. Like she had something to say musically back then now im just getting bored by her projects
@@bafbaas1210 so did you not like Norman Fucking Rockwell?
Ultraviolence deserves another review....
I would encourage you to take a second look at Ultraviolence. It is the only LP of hers I really enjoy. The lyrics on it aren't always the best but I just love that black edgy dream pop sound. It's a much needed diversion from her run-of-the-mill sad tune.
This should’ve been done with Ultraviolence.
i’m still mad he gave that a 2 that’s crazy
@@michaela2368 of course I am a fan but I have also criticized her stuff, like lust for life, but holy shit a 2 is so absurd
@@marie-claire3340 right yeah, i don’t think she’s a perfect artist or anything, i’m not a fan of a few of her projects, but ultraviolence has too many good songs to be be her lowest rated album by him
you should do this with ultraviolence, curious to see your thoughts now.
That’s one of my favorite albums from her.
YES
You shouldnt have done this with BTD but Ultraviolence
Lana Del Rey supremacy
Thank you, Google, for providing a translation from uppercase to lowercase. That's real helpful.
@@captainbrainius6273 What?
@@franklingoodwin They removed it.
@@captainbrainius6273 OK. I was just a bit little confused without context 😄. I get you now. I just remembered that Google sometimes translates comments written in English to English
There was a responsibility placed on Lana to be a standard bearer for feminism or something to that effect, when the whole point is that she shouldn’t have to be anything other than what she chooses. Societal pressure to be a certain way, from my understanding, is antithetical to feminism.
not really. there’s a whole “false consciousness” undercurrent to a lot of (esp second wave) feminist thought, where doing things like wearing makeup or seeming sexually available or ceding power to men can’t be truly voluntary since it’s a conditioned reaction. pressuring women to act differently, or at least reconsider why we act the way we do, isn’t anti-feminist at all from that perspective.
i think it’s silly to expect hard-hitting feminist messaging from a random pop star so i’m not disagreeing in general though
@@cuttlefish1801 I really appreciate your nuanced reply. You make a great point in regards to the second-wave feminism perspective. It's not a perspective I personally agree with, but it's worth mentioning. Moreover, your final sentence really hits the nail on the head.
The fact is: the Born to Die mania never dies, for the right or wrong reasons, it never fades
Lady Lana is timeless. Melon is still wrong on this one.
This was my first lana album and still to this day one of my favorites next to ultraviolence, honeymoon, and chemtrails so it holds a really special place in my heart but i understand why some might not like it and i appreciate your input. Great video as always :)
first couple minutes “I think she has grown into her style, she’s very influential, has gotten better” still gave blue banisters a 5
Which it deserved
Blue Banisters sucks
Haha man you guys have a different opinion than me. I liked the album!
You kinda forget that he gave NFR an 8 and generally his scores on LDR's stuff progresses as she released more.
Blue Banisters deserved a 5
One of the best pop albums of all time. She paved the way for Billie eilish
most influential, definitely. but not best.
Lana Del Rey ran so that Billie Eilish could crawl
This is definitely true, and while Billie I think did the "sad girl aesthetic" much more tastefully and substantively, and sonically it was better produced and written that BTD, I still think as an audience we were more ready for it and ready to accept. Whereas Lana's pop record was competing against Roar by Katy Perry, haha.
Streets won’t forget pure heroine and melodrama tho ‼️‼️‼️
Born To Die is totally a GOAT pop album. It’s like a light 9/10 for me
2nd longest charting album by a woman in billboard history :)
Melon… this is certainly a take I disagree with.
I’m still not over the ultraviolence one lmaoooo
I think you fail to realize that this album and era were about escapism and nostalgia. yeah the lyrics were kinda awkward but the production was very different for that time
you can't blame him for not relating to that though, that's a very personal thing for each individual
Really lame how Anthony doesn’t factor my own personal emotional attachment to music into his reviews :/
the production was just bad baroque, it wasn't anything new
Melons just don't get Lana...
im kinda the opposite, it's totally grown on me over time and when i go back to this i notice a lot of things i never appreciated before.
really messy at times, but i always find more than i thought was there before. not a perfect album by any means, and disliking it is totally valid, but it's grown on me quite a bit over the years
The best Lana album is honeymoon
yes!!
blistering hot take, but admirable.
its always been like, my second favorite behind NFR tho. i find it either got slept on or bashed really unfairly. i always got the weirdest reactions when i used to say it was my favorite of hers back before NFR came out lol
@@sonicthehedgegod It’s definitely her best alongside nfr! Songs like Terrence Loves You, Swan Song, & the title track are just unbelievably gorgeous & lot of the experimentation such as on Art Deco is really cool. Lyrically definitely one of her best & most consistent records as well.
I think is her best album; has the best melodies (that's how I rate music).
based
NFR tho
@@cyrusthagreat6649 they’re both great although personally I prefer BTD
@@R-H-B Yeah as time has gone on and more time has passed since I first listened to BtD (which was around the time I posted this comment) I’ve started to think of that album as possibly being her best. But I’d need to hear them both again before I really say anything serious.
@@cyrusthagreat6649 fair enough. Born to Die, NFR and Ultraviolence (although I don’t love ultraviolence) are the Lana albums that I come back to and for me they’re all good. I’d probably give Ultraviolence a light 7, NFR a decent 8, and BTD a light to decent 9. Lana’s music is flawed but I’ll say she’s very consistent
0:03 anyone else hear “internets busiest music turd” ?
Damn Anthony. You were a really good reviewer even 10 years ago. I cant believe Ive been watching this channel for over 10 years
He wasn’t good 10 years ago for sure but he got a lot better… from his word usage to his camera presence, his music knowledge is much wider, he started to accept more new stuff than he did before and now he got way more experience.
@@user-oq3in5pz3d idk for a 26 year old, he was pretty articulate and well rounded. and it turns out hes one of the most well known music reviewers of our time. so...... idk
the problem is you were not an impressionable teenager on tumblr when this album came out
he also wasn't in the "sad girl/boy" mode.
I’ve always felt so conflicted with this album, because while I generally agreed with some criticisms when it came out, I didn’t feel all that negative about it. I didn’t love it, but I certainly didn’t hate it. In fact, at the time I kind of took it as more of a cynical/sarcastic piece. Since then I have wondered more and more, “Oh God, was she really in that frame of mind back then? I thought she was kidding.”
Either way it strikes me as an amusing melodrama, whether or not she was being serious. In interviews she says it’s autobiographical, but I feel like if you just read between the lines, there’s so much offbeat humor. It seems like she’s exaggerating herself and poking fun at The American Dream. Then again…maybe not? That’s the thing. It was so exquisitely vague. Some might call it convoluted, some may say abstract, but regardless it is amazingly oppositional to itself in every regard. It makes the album interesting and frustrating. It’s a very novel piece of work. Still, I feel like everything she did was almost deliberately backwards and confusing. I think the animosity she sparked was in being so utterly nebulous about her intentions. It made her seem fake, but I always wonder, “What if ‘fake’ was her ‘real?’”
"NO matter how much air freshners you're still gonna smell the crap" 🤣 my gosh Fantano that was brutal
This album means the world to me I can’t help it still my favorite Lana album
Agree! It might not be her best but I still love this album and my favorite of hers
idc what fantano says or anyone says. this album is a masterpiece that changed alternative music forever. it also saved people’s sanity and lives just look at the comments
Agree! I don’t mind Fantano as much as other music critics but I don’t like how some people act like his opinions as fact
Plus his regressive comment is a huge disagreement I had. The song “This Is What Makes Us Girls” is about girl teenage hood and how there’s an expectation in society to put romance above friendships
@@cheshirerose2001 are u saying that song is good
@@peachica People say it saved my life for everything and most if it is just 14 year old tumblr the world's against me "depression"
@@AugustRx people can’t actually go through depression and use music to cope?
@@peachica Are we listening to the same album here or just the music/production? like without song writing and just pure vibes bcoz Kill You can also help people through "depression" let along that who can relate Logic song
one of the best debuts ever!!! u were trippin fr
This album is one of the best of all time, not because of the music perse but because it continues to inspire conversation beyond "omg so problematic and edgy" 10 years past its release. It really is one of those "where were you when xyz happened" albums. At the end of the day good art provokes, not unilaterally aligned with one ideology but instead a discussion with multiple POVs and opinions.
Huh… what in the actual Fck are you saying ???
it’s the best album of all time ..not because of the music but because its nostalgic…. 🙄
Not all women feel the same way. Not even all feminist agree with criticisms of gender roles.
If anything it’s sexist to condemn her as being “regressive” just because she doesn’t conform to a certain sect of progressive ideals of what a women should be.
And as others have pointed out, not every lyric or song should be treated as some political text. If those are important things to her or how she felt in that point in her life, its silly to then extract it as this political message of regression.
Fantano literally complaining because Lana Del Rey sings about being bad with partying (something which is alot more relatable to most young girls) - instead of being bad by raging against the patriarchy man. Yawn. Give me a break.
This album is pretty much what every urban outfitter shopper gets when they decide to get into crosley suitcase player.
Do you still hate my mom too? Dad come back
I’m just waiting for the redux of UV I don’t mind any of ur Lana reviews but u missed hard with UV
Really enjoying this review review series, it's really insightful into how you critique an album.
it's probably because i'm not really familiar with Americana as you but i've always found this weird "Alanis Morissette in a toilet bowl" quality to her act, like the bad half of every Morissette song is what's going on here.
Lana Del Rey is to Nancy Sinatra
as Logic is to Frank Sinatra.
Frank > Lana > Nancy > Logic
The vocals on this album are really rough and the lyrically it's filled with cliches but for some reason this album just works. The songs just have a super overdramatic, grand sound that's intoxicating. My second favourite Lana album after NFR.
Amen to this. Honestly I think her vocals are beautiful on this record anyways. She’s so adorable sounding 😂😂
10:00 Lana is describing real life events where she skipped classes and indulged in underage drinking in that song, so anyone who thinks she's romanticizing the same is simply misinterpreting the intention of the art. not just that, you're cringing (8:45) at someone's truth and vulnerability just because you think that persona aligns with clichéd sentiments. its really all round awfully disturbing.
Anthony, you can't just say "yes" at the beginning of the video then smack your lips for 8 minutes
Born to die, ultraviolence, and NFR are all masterpieces
BTD is cute…not a masterpiece
I love LDR's music, especially her later works, but I absolutely hate her first album. I mean, I tried to like it, or at least tolerate it just to be supportive (which is so wrong: you should always be objective and not force yourself to like something) but no: it's really unlistenable to my ears. At the same time I'm happy that so many people loved it so that she could have the support necessary to make more music and progress in her career evolving into the artist she is now.
In 10 years, when Melon reviews this review, it'll be like that Inside skit
Can you do one for Angelic 2 The Core?
11 years later, still on Billboard 200 🎉😢😮
my favorite lana album she was there for me a decade ago she is here for me now
Anthony, did you really have to call her a "Femoid" all those times?