Ever since I read about Ludwig’s mysterious death I have been obsessed with him. A truly interesting fellow and truly sad that he couldn’t live his life as he wished…..in dreams. ❤ When I finally visited Neuschwanstein castle I was tearing up as I couldn’t believe I had finally made it there, after years of reading the stories and looking at the photos and day dreaming. It was a dream come true. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
It’s extremely bizarre that a licensed psychologist managed to turn a king mad just because of his habits at home. Especially the food habit, who likes being watched eating and someone looking at what they eat? King Ludwig was just a normal man who had a habit of wanting to make pretty castles😅
The theory that he murdered the doctor then killed himself is pure fantasy. Ludwig showed absolutely no signs of a temper through his life (no matter how bad of a king he was), and if he'd actually committed suicide from drowning his body wouldn't have been floating until well after his death when it'd had a chance to fill with gases. It makes no logical sense how someone would come to that conclusion.
I was on a tour of Ludwig II's castles back in 2010 (and they really are amazing!!). Our tour director told us the various theories that surrounded his death. The one that stuck in my mind and I pretty much believe in, is that he had a heart attack. By this point, Ludwig was rather overweight. The theory was that when he ran into the cold water, it threw his body into shock, causing his heart to stop. This was why there was no water in his lung, as he was dead before he fully hit the water. Is that what happened? Who really knows? Only the people who were there at that moment. In any case, I do not believe it was suicide. Nor was he "mad".
Really enjoy the channel. Certainly we do not know for sure what happened to him. Perhaps someday we will. I love history from European royal families. Even though I know most families stories I always find myself enjoying watching new releases, from different historians, everyone has opinions. Facts r facts but generally old history always favored the victor. I think this was balanced. Well Done. 🇺🇸👍 NEW SUBSCRIBER!
From what I’m learning about “autism spectrum disorder,” I wonder if Ludwig might have been described this way, if he lived in our time. I suggest that descriptors such “odd,” “eccentric,” “intellectual,” “ivory tower academic” are ways that reflect behaviors and ways of thinking that now fall the umbrella of “autism spectrum disorder.” 🎉
When i was 14-15 yr.s living in near Luxinburg I visited his palace many times. Each time I saw something I missed seeing the visit before. I was informed he built many beautiful large homes. My question was why he keep building these beautiful structures. In your statement that he would have been a better poet, artist ... Made me realize why he built. My choice of death is heart attack, because his bed there was made for a person over 300lbs and had a hidden passage to the kitchen.
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I agree. Just like other heakth issues… they were not diagnosed in the past becuase they hadn’t been researched and weren’t known to be specific issues that couod be treated or helped. I think there would have been children on the spectrum of Autism back then.
Louis XIV of France (Ludwig’s idol) required member of court or staff to scratch at the door, never knock. He had many strange affectations and behaviors which seem to have been picked up by King Ludwig. He might not have been totally typical but it seems less likely he was truly mentally ill. But I suppose it can never be known for sure.👍👍🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I thought the same thing. The sad difference is that many of Louis odd behaviours were adopted by the court of Versailles, they were the trendy thing to do because the king was doing it. Instead Ludwig was considered odd and an outcast
This is what they tell about the serial killer next door: He was *so* nice. Always greeting. And feeding stray cats ... Each personality has a dark side. Yours. Mine. His as well.
the supposedly weird behaviors documented in Gudden's report largely come from papers acquired by secretly searching the King's trashbins and closets as well as disgruntled members of the household - lackeys, servants or those pressured into making certain statements by Count Holnstein, the Grand Equerry, who was their boss at court and a leading member of the conspiracy.
Why would the government (his opponent) want King Ludwig’s remains examined when politically there was a plot (historically) to dethrone their King? The implications of doing this could be huge…and incredibly foolhardy… They will want the truth to remain hidden.
I wish they had included some of the regular people's perspective. A king/leader like that is a disaster for the populous, yet he is often portrayed in quite a positive light due to the buildings and romanticism, ignoring that he completely neglected and abused his primary responsibility - to the people, not himself
Document historians now believe it is better to touch old documents with clean dry bare hands rather than gloves, which decrease your sensitivity to the pages and possibly putting too much pressure on fragile paper. Also ink is often rubbed off on the cotton fabric. This is the new thinking, though even now you do see people reviewing ancient documents in cotton gloves.
@@playnicechannel I always cringe when i see rare documents or book being handled with bare hands so i appreciate your information. I attended art college (like a hundred years ago lol) and i remember one of the first things we were told was that our fingers had natural oil on them and never to handle the beautiful , often expensive art papers we used except by the very edges.
Even *if* he killed the doctor and even *if* he took his own life afterwards: why are *two* man drifting face down dead in the water - obviously *not* having died from drowning ? And for what reason should the king have pulled the dead doctor into the water ? No. The self-harm explanation is implausible - even without an additional murdering.
@robynmeyer7796 what guards there may have been obviously did not go with the two men on that last walk, otherwise no one would have had to search for them.
One of his lover's was Lady Jane Digby who left her husband and children. She ended up in Arabia, and was the lover of an Arab Sheik until her death . The info is from a book I read called Nymphos and other Maniacs. A lot of history in that book.
You can visit his grave in Germany and until this day there are always fresh flowers brought by bavarians and tourists. It's the only king from the former german states that receives this much love, there are still pictures of him hanging in bavarian pubs etc.
Well, if you really think about it it's only natural his government wanted him to abdicate. He had no real interest in ruling his country, he thought the divine right of Kings was still an acceptable way of Kingship, and he dilapidated the country's money on creating a fantasy world just for him: for example with Wagner and above all, his castles.
It is infuriating that the regime which tried to suffocate Ludvig's dreams and accomplishments benefited from them after his tragic death. At least , his people now appreciate who he really was.
His problem was his inability to see that his money wasn't infinite, and neither was his country's. He could have bankrupted the country with his building projects, but there were better ways to stop him from doing that rather than labeling him insane. They're the government after all, and even an autocratic king couldn't stop them when he didn't have their respect.
Put it this way - had he lived, all of those building projects would have been for himself and his chosen few. Certainly they would not have been open to.the public or to tourists.
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I have watched all episodes so far, the headings and headings of all these things say find out the truth etc etc, we never have an outcome, all you're doing is giving us a history lesson and getting us to ask questions we will never know the answer of. Due to this I think I will unsubscribe even though I am very interested in history. Not that anything we know today is actually a 100% true story, its always written by the "winner" and always made to look a lot better than it was.
I too have mixed feelings about this show... but i decided the neutral endings suits a mystery show well. Im glad they explore different theories without getting hung up in some conspiracy.😊
I’ve always believed that Ludwig was murdered for being a self indulgent and terrible ruler. His family had to get rid of him to save the kingdom. I’ve toured Ludwig’s fairy tale castles. In about 20 years he tried to completely bankrupt the wealth which the Wittlesbach family grew for 800 years, building personal playgrounds for himself.
Oh, Nan. The Kingdom was absorbed into Prussia and the German Empire…yes, like most Rulers he was flawed, but there were other things going on as well. He was close to Austria, by family relations, also, Russia. Don’t believe everything.
He never have run his country in to bankruptcy! Wehre you get that false information?! He bankrupted himself by using the royal families private assets and got heavily into debt which he covered with bonds, fixed-interest security papers and stocks also from his private accounts! Ludwig never used for his projects money belonging to the state of Bavaria, even if he wanted he wasn’t able to use the money of the State owned Treasury’s! It’s annoying how foreign people like you having the audacity of making incorrect assumptions based on their pure ignorance,prejudice and laziness to do any research about our countries historical important figures but still being entitled enough to think they can spread misinformations
For some reason, this particular story - even the castles/palaces - hold no allure for me. In travels, I don't visit these places. History's far too rich to traverse the grounds of the merely wealthy.
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He bankrupt the entire state of Bavaria and the family was right he was interested in serious business of government which needs investment rather than his pet project
He never have run his country in to bankruptcy! Where you get that false information?! He bankrupted himself by using the royal families private assets and got heavily into debt which he covered with bonds, fixed-interest security papers and stocks also from his private accounts! Ludwig never used for his projects money belonging to the state of Bavaria, even if he wanted he wasn’t able to use the money of the State owned Treasury’s! It’s annoying how foreign people like you having the audacity of making incorrect assumptions based on their pure ignorance,prejudice and laziness to do any research about our countries historical important figures but still being entitled enough to think they can spread misinformations
he did not bankrupt anything. he had an annual endowment coming out of state funds which he had at his disposal to build castles, but also to maintain the royal household. this is still the case in monarchies today. he was heavily in debt though and borrowed money from banks and wealthy businessmen. he asked the state to lend him money, which they did for a while but later refused. the reason for the plotters to remove him was they felt he humiliated the state with his debts and were afraid he would dismiss them and appoint a government which would lend him more money.
Decent content if you can overlook the mumbling, mispronounced common words, and foreign language without dubbing. My suggestion would be to get American narrators to redo the entire thing.
Ever since I read about Ludwig’s mysterious death I have been obsessed with him. A truly interesting fellow and truly sad that he couldn’t live his life as he wished…..in dreams. ❤ When I finally visited Neuschwanstein castle I was tearing up as I couldn’t believe I had finally made it there, after years of reading the stories and looking at the photos and day dreaming. It was a dream come true. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Love this channel! Thank you so much. Just found it last night
His castles were incredibly beautiful though...
It’s extremely bizarre that a licensed psychologist managed to turn a king mad just because of his habits at home. Especially the food habit, who likes being watched eating and someone looking at what they eat? King Ludwig was just a normal man who had a habit of wanting to make pretty castles😅
The theory that he murdered the doctor then killed himself is pure fantasy.
Ludwig showed absolutely no signs of a temper through his life (no matter how bad of a king he was), and if he'd actually committed suicide from drowning his body wouldn't have been floating until well after his death when it'd had a chance to fill with gases. It makes no logical sense how someone would come to that conclusion.
People suffering from paranoia often believe they're fighting for their lives. Ludwig may have attacked the doctor feeling it was in self-defense.
Actually there was an incident where Ludwig nearly beheaded his brother when they were kids over a minor insult.
If you can't trust the credibility of Potatopatooti, who can you trust?
I was on a tour of Ludwig II's castles back in 2010 (and they really are amazing!!). Our tour director told us the various theories that surrounded his death. The one that stuck in my mind and I pretty much believe in, is that he had a heart attack. By this point, Ludwig was rather overweight. The theory was that when he ran into the cold water, it threw his body into shock, causing his heart to stop. This was why there was no water in his lung, as he was dead before he fully hit the water. Is that what happened? Who really knows? Only the people who were there at that moment. In any case, I do not believe it was suicide. Nor was he "mad".
Even with the heart attack idea, the questioj is why did he run into the water? And what about the autopsy on the Dr. Gudden?
And why was Dr Gudden dead?
@@utethornburg7715 Trying to save the king probably ... and suffered the same fate ? All unlikely. The water - at that point - is not even hip deep.
Really enjoy the channel. Certainly we do not know for sure what happened to him. Perhaps someday we will. I love history from European royal families. Even though I know most families stories I always find myself enjoying watching new releases, from different historians, everyone has opinions. Facts r facts but generally old history always favored the victor. I think this was balanced. Well Done. 🇺🇸👍 NEW SUBSCRIBER!
From what I’m learning about “autism spectrum disorder,” I wonder if Ludwig might have been described this way, if he lived in our time. I suggest that descriptors such “odd,” “eccentric,” “intellectual,” “ivory tower academic” are ways that reflect behaviors and ways of thinking that now fall the umbrella of “autism spectrum disorder.” 🎉
I was going to suggest Exactly that! I suspect many people who were considered odd, eccentric or mad by their peers were actually autistic.
Not a genius
When i was 14-15 yr.s living in near Luxinburg I visited his palace many times. Each time I saw something I missed seeing the visit before. I was informed he built many beautiful large homes. My question was why he keep building these beautiful structures. In your statement that he would have been a better poet, artist ...
Made me realize why he built. My choice of death is heart attack, because his bed there was made for a person over 300lbs and had a hidden passage to the kitchen.
You meant Luxembourg I guess... 😉
@@cuisinierMB not the country but the town, city in Germany close to Sturgart (sorry for bad spelling)
@@cuisinierMB it's a city in Germany near Stugart. (Excuse the spelling, please)
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nice plan amen
Interesting 🧐
Very mysterious 😮
I’m convinced that varying sorts of “On Spectrum” has been in mankind’s dna forever… so he was odd, he preferred his time alone etc…
I agree. Just like other heakth issues… they were not diagnosed in the past becuase they hadn’t been researched and weren’t known to be specific issues that couod be treated or helped. I think there would have been children on the spectrum of Autism back then.
Louis XIV of France (Ludwig’s idol) required member of court or staff to scratch at the door, never knock. He had many strange affectations and behaviors which seem to have been picked up by King Ludwig. He might not have been totally typical but it seems less likely he was truly mentally ill. But I suppose it can never be known for sure.👍👍🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I thought the same thing. The sad difference is that many of Louis odd behaviours were adopted by the court of Versailles, they were the trendy thing to do because the king was doing it. Instead Ludwig was considered odd and an outcast
I think he might just have been autistic.
This is what they tell about the serial killer next door: He was *so* nice. Always greeting. And feeding stray cats ... Each personality has a dark side. Yours. Mine. His as well.
the supposedly weird behaviors documented in Gudden's report largely come from papers acquired by secretly searching the King's trashbins and closets as well as disgruntled members of the household - lackeys, servants or those pressured into making certain statements by Count Holnstein, the Grand Equerry, who was their boss at court and a leading member of the conspiracy.
his death is a sign his enemies were scared.
Clearly the Government should allow an examination of his remains.
it is the Wittelsbach family who refused all attempts to open the sarcophagus and examine the body
Why would the government (his opponent) want King Ludwig’s remains examined when politically there was a plot (historically) to dethrone their King?
The implications of doing this could be huge…and incredibly foolhardy…
They will want the truth to remain hidden.
King Lugwig II was a visionary and was way ahead of his time.
Wow never knew this! I wonder how that Dr would've been judged today?
I wish they had included some of the regular people's perspective. A king/leader like that is a disaster for the populous, yet he is often portrayed in quite a positive light due to the buildings and romanticism, ignoring that he completely neglected and abused his primary responsibility - to the people, not himself
Ludwig was comfortable with the common people which may have played a part in why he clashed with the political arena.
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Ludwig II, König von Bayern is your first cousin once removed's partner's third cousin once removed's wife's great aunt's ex-partner's second cousin.
The spelling error in the title, though.
Ah, if he was found floating, so he didn’t drown, it’s pretty probable that he was murdered
See??? That's what happens if you don't wait an hour after dinner to go swimming! Cheers....
cute!
I dont think Ludwig was "mad" but at the same time he wasn't the right man for the job. I wonder if he was on the Autism Spectrum?? Just wondering??
How can that guy touch those historical letters with no gloves??
Document historians now believe it is better to touch old documents with clean dry bare hands rather than gloves, which decrease your sensitivity to the pages and possibly putting too much pressure on fragile paper. Also ink is often rubbed off on the cotton fabric. This is the new thinking, though even now you do see people reviewing ancient documents in cotton gloves.
@@playnicechannel I always cringe when i see rare documents or book being handled with bare hands so i appreciate your information.
I attended art college (like a hundred years ago lol) and i remember one of the first things we were told was that our fingers had natural oil on them and never to handle the beautiful , often expensive art papers we used except by the very edges.
Because 'that guy' knows exactly what he's doing.
Da noive of people.
Just the way they did.
They may actually be "Theatrical Reproductions" (Props).
Does anyone know what the intro music is called?
Even *if* he killed the doctor and even *if* he took his own life afterwards: why are *two* man drifting face down dead in the water - obviously *not* having died from drowning ? And for what reason should the king have pulled the dead doctor into the water ? No. The self-harm explanation is implausible - even without an additional murdering.
If Ludwig was a captive he would have had guards to ensure he didn’t escape.
@robynmeyer7796 what guards there may have been obviously did not go with the two men on that last walk, otherwise no one would have had to search for them.
One of his lover's was Lady Jane Digby who left her husband and children. She ended up in Arabia, and was the lover of an Arab Sheik until her death . The info is from a book I read called Nymphos and other Maniacs. A lot of history in that book.
She had been sold.
It was Ludwig I of Bavaria. Different man.
This Ludwig was definately not into women.
You can visit his grave in Germany and until this day there are always fresh flowers brought by bavarians and tourists.
It's the only king from the former german states that receives this much love, there are still pictures of him hanging in bavarian pubs etc.
So why can't they just exhume his bones and find out???
The family would have to give permission and they have no reason to
The family does not permit it to date.
thats kind or amazing
His doctor was also found dead with him. Not possible that both commited suicide.
Well, if you really think about it it's only natural his government wanted him to abdicate. He had no real interest in ruling his country, he thought the divine right of Kings was still an acceptable way of Kingship, and he dilapidated the country's money on creating a fantasy world just for him: for example with Wagner and above all, his castles.
Ludwig was murdered in an escape attempt.
It is infuriating that the regime which tried to suffocate Ludvig's dreams and accomplishments benefited from them after his tragic death. At least , his people now appreciate who he really was.
His problem was his inability to see that his money wasn't infinite, and neither was his country's. He could have bankrupted the country with his building projects, but there were better ways to stop him from doing that rather than labeling him insane. They're the government after all, and even an autocratic king couldn't stop them when he didn't have their respect.
Put it this way - had he lived, all of those building projects would have been for himself and his chosen few. Certainly they would not have been open to.the public or to tourists.
@@girl1213 There is a little matter of Civil War? They tend to happen when governments try to depose useless monarchs. Take a look at Europe's records. The English Civil War, the French Revolution, The Russian Revolution etc. monarchs never go quietly.
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Its June 13 ,1886 .Not July.....
You said we can’t see the bones of king Ludwig -why?
The family does not want him exhumed
I have watched all episodes so far, the headings and headings of all these things say find out the truth etc etc, we never have an outcome, all you're doing is giving us a history lesson and getting us to ask questions we will never know the answer of. Due to this I think I will unsubscribe even though I am very interested in history. Not that anything we know today is actually a 100% true story, its always written by the "winner" and always made to look a lot better than it was.
Then by all means, allow us to play a suitable lament to accompany your solitary drama...
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There.
😂😂 You cant think for yourself😂😂
The titles I've seen all have "mystery" in them, so what else would you expect? Historical mysteries don't come with definitive answers.
I too have mixed feelings about this show... but i decided the neutral endings suits a mystery show well. Im glad they explore different theories without getting hung up in some conspiracy.😊
I'm confused, what part of this heading indicated the mystery would be solved in the video?
and did they have camera's they could just take a pic moments after a death. They were out walking so I really doubt it
Factual error in the very first sentence - he died on 13 June not 13 July - hardly inspires confidence in the reliability of the rest of it?
It was LOHENGRIN,not low hand green...very bad written words above the screen !
Interesting material damaged by a banal, generic, and distracting soundtrack. Wagner would wince.
Well, we've all winced at a lot of Wagner !
Easy enough to say regarding the man, yet do presume to speak for yourself only per his music. @@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401
I’ve always believed that Ludwig was murdered for being a self indulgent and terrible ruler. His family had to get rid of him to save the kingdom.
I’ve toured Ludwig’s fairy tale castles. In about 20 years he tried to completely bankrupt the wealth which the Wittlesbach family grew for 800 years, building personal playgrounds for himself.
Oh, Nan. The Kingdom was absorbed into Prussia and the German Empire…yes, like most Rulers he was flawed, but there were other things going on as well. He was close to Austria, by family relations, also, Russia. Don’t believe everything.
@@jeromesullivan4015 Well aren't you a smarty-pants. Not.
It's hard to feel pity for an arrogant idiot who doesn't fulfill his responsibilities and runs his country into bankruptcy. He needed to be stopped.
He never have run his country in to bankruptcy! Wehre you get that false information?!
He bankrupted himself by using the royal families private assets and got heavily into debt which he covered with bonds, fixed-interest security papers and stocks also from his private accounts!
Ludwig never used for his projects money belonging to the state of Bavaria, even if he wanted he wasn’t able to use the money of the State owned Treasury’s!
It’s annoying how foreign people like you having the audacity of making incorrect assumptions based on their pure ignorance,prejudice and laziness to do any research about our countries historical important figures but still being entitled enough to think they can spread misinformations
It's prince LUITPOLD,not loophole !!!@
Other terms capricious, strange, unreliable.
This man was my relative.
Be proud…he left a beautiful legacy which is now played upon to encourage tourism and more revenue for the coffers.
For some reason, this particular story - even the castles/palaces - hold no allure for me. In travels, I don't visit these places. History's far too rich to traverse the grounds of the merely wealthy.
PHILISTINE! Germany is a beautiful country, most famous province Bavaria is renowned for art, architecture, cuisine, historic sites and stunning geographic beauty.
Many people in this part of the world think differently. The architecture is fabulous throughout Germany and the breads and pastries delicious, but I can honestly say that the people are the rudest most nasty people I have ever met in all of my otherwise happy worldly travels…and I am of German descent.
would not go to war with Prussia
Circumstantial evidence says Ludwig killed his doctor and then himself.
Just because you’re king doesn’t mean you have to marry you can rule with out a queen
There is a matter of succession? You need a queen to produce an heir.
He bankrupt the entire state of Bavaria and the family was right he was interested in serious business of government which needs investment rather than his pet project
He never have run his country in to bankruptcy! Where you get that false information?!
He bankrupted himself by using the royal families private assets and got heavily into debt which he covered with bonds, fixed-interest security papers and stocks also from his private accounts!
Ludwig never used for his projects money belonging to the state of Bavaria, even if he wanted he wasn’t able to use the money of the State owned Treasury’s!
It’s annoying how foreign people like you having the audacity of making incorrect assumptions based on their pure ignorance,prejudice and laziness to do any research about our countries historical important figures but still being entitled enough to think they can spread misinformations
he did not bankrupt anything. he had an annual endowment coming out of state funds which he had at his disposal to build castles, but also to maintain the royal household. this is still the case in monarchies today. he was heavily in debt though and borrowed money from banks and wealthy businessmen. he asked the state to lend him money, which they did for a while but later refused. the reason for the plotters to remove him was they felt he humiliated the state with his debts and were afraid he would dismiss them and appoint a government which would lend him more money.
Decent content if you can overlook the mumbling, mispronounced common words, and foreign language without dubbing. My suggestion would be to get American narrators to redo the entire thing.
As a person who doesn't hv english as mother tongue, American accent is really diffucult to understand. English narrators speak more clearly.
Moan…
in this History I was A Loyal Driver ? form Door Dash. amen