Air Jordan 4 Black Military Worth It?

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    Air Jordan 4 "Military Black"
    Release Date: May 21st, 2022 (Saturday)
    Mens: $200
    Style Code: DH6927-111
    It my seem like we’re inching ever-farther from the return of the Air Jordan 4 “Military Blue”, but Jordan Brand is still keeping spirits high with an impressive and vast collection of Air Jordan 4 Retro footwear. This upcoming “Military Black” is almost cruel given how close it is to the original blue shade from 1989, but despite the brand dangling that long-awaited re-issue, these are quite a consolation prize. Dubbed the “Military Black” for sharing the exact same color-blocking as the Military Blue, this looming June release swaps out that signature shade for a black on the midsole, heel-clip, and lace eyelets, as well as the tongue logo, tongue interior, and the inside base beneath the netting. These brand photos also reveal a similar density of the suede at the toe-guard as well. These are most certainly a clean addition to any summer rotation, but we can also envision what a Jordan 4 “Military Blue” would look like in terms of quality.
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  • @DNASHOW
    @DNASHOW  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

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      @courteousanalyzer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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      @tamtamm84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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      @courteousanalyzer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @SauneyKicks
    @SauneyKicks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    A yellow military 4 will be insane!! Gotta get these in the collection for sure. You didn’t have to show off the military blue 4s like that tho lol🤦🏾‍♂️ we need those back ASAP.

    • @jasonsimpkins9069
      @jasonsimpkins9069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing a
      A bevy of colors in the military style.

    • @Ckkb897
      @Ckkb897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Been 10 years, with these releasing in black im having hope on seeing em soon🔥

    • @jasonsimpkins9069
      @jasonsimpkins9069 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ckkb897 Champs and footlocker just opened up reservations today. Hopefully I can win. Actually won 5 pair of white oreo.

    • @kossygang4924
      @kossygang4924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hell no 😭I want them Legan blue 4 ps

    • @shaqcarroll3726
      @shaqcarroll3726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yellow would be so trash lol

  • @kennyvspoverty
    @kennyvspoverty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I can see now why the hype has been real on these this joint is so damn hard it’s a tad bit more wearable than the OGs and in the midst of the Jordan 4 officially taking the throne away from the 1’s this shoe is crazy

    • @ben._fb6901
      @ben._fb6901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ernesto Mobo Jr - Condo Good Guy I got mine delivered today. I really like the suede feels like it brings the shoe together

  • @jesseacosta7601
    @jesseacosta7601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I would love how they did the color blocking for red thunder 4s and I was thinking imagine if they did that color blocking with Celtics green and black 🔥

  • @ewansihasimmons8070
    @ewansihasimmons8070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Great review, I think these will dramatically rise in price as well over time. Beautiful colorway on these 4s

  • @jasonwolfe3252
    @jasonwolfe3252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Can't go wrong with a nice simple black and white colorway. These will be in my weekly rotation for the summer.

  • @ericwhite9592
    @ericwhite9592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was hoping we got the military blues back but I’ll settle these because I can wear these with literally everything.

  • @larrygardner8472
    @larrygardner8472 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Definitely a cop! Love Jordan fours ,and now need a pair to replace my Travis Scott's in my collection to rock in the rotation.

  • @scoopstroop85
    @scoopstroop85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can't believe I'm just finding your channel. Amazing content bro and can't wait to check out your other videos 👏

  • @nickdiaz753
    @nickdiaz753 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just ordered one. So HYPED to wear it

  • @srt.jacobb
    @srt.jacobb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:50 Bro dead ahh lost his fingers💀💀

    • @DiegoDiego28281
      @DiegoDiego28281 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s how they’re supposed to look

  • @untouchableone1417
    @untouchableone1417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes definitely the colors with the 3’s & 4’s you can use any color & it will be explosive. They definitely have to go back to including the thick clear plastic hang tag & it would nice to get the lace locks too with each pair.

  • @rayrawket
    @rayrawket 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m definitely copping these..hopefully 2 pairs
    Appreciate the look big dawg

  • @robertarraial6035
    @robertarraial6035 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This shoe is so fire will pay resale if I have to

  • @Lkingfwdnevabkwds
    @Lkingfwdnevabkwds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Undefeated... great word to explain these 🔥

  • @ShortChizel31
    @ShortChizel31 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Military Black 4’s are a must buy for me. I’m a Raider fan and definitely feeling the colorway. With you saying the quality is A-1, I can’t wait to get them in hand! Great video DJ!

  • @seasevisionmedia
    @seasevisionmedia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yeah these are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
    I was sleeping on these lol!
    Gotta pick these up

  • @Ronin4863
    @Ronin4863 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    these are bangers

    • @tumpxff368
      @tumpxff368 ปีที่แล้ว

      where’d u get them

    • @Ronin4863
      @Ronin4863 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tumpxff368 stock x

  • @lstruggy
    @lstruggy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Defntly a keeper $900 by 2025

  • @Tiger24kicks
    @Tiger24kicks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the shoe I've been waiting for I pray I'm able to get these

    • @SupercarFNTCS
      @SupercarFNTCS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nooo debate that these are fire af

  • @perkkz5679
    @perkkz5679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    These literally come out on my birthday If I dont get a pair for my birthday ima be so mad😭

  • @jeffii9890
    @jeffii9890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great review and thanks for the insights on material quality. I already pre-ordered mine. I will say this: If you have a collection of 100+ sneakers, especially high heat like you, there's no reason to cop multiple pair for long term rocking unless you're rocking one pair for 2 years and beating them to dust. I get copping to trade, but other than that, I'd implore you to consider changing your mindset, especially for size 13. You know it's slim pickings.
    And I'm not speaking for myself. I make plenty of bread and pay resale for what I want, but I remember being 17, needing to stack bread and then missing out while some dude was bragging that he had 2 pair. I understood back then as, there weren't nearly as many sneakers being dropped nearly as often and if you loved a drop, cop 2 because we never thought they'd drop again. But times have changed. You, DJ, have every major collab, Jordan PE's and nearly every hot GR. You really need two or three pair? Leave that for the kid that can't sniff the Union Jordan 2s because of current prices, but can save his dollars to look fresh in a GR for the summer. Food for thought.

    • @lildrake2519
      @lildrake2519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I understand where you coming from, but wouldn't you also want an icy pair and a beater pair?

    • @jeffii9890
      @jeffii9890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lildrake2519 I have more than 300 pair of sneakers. I don't have any beaters, even the shoes I just throw on for a grocery run and never clean aren't beat. In my experience, most people with decent sized collections don't even end up keeping the extra pair to rock. They trade or resell them for a higher price to get something else, which again, is fine, I guess. But I like having more people being in this hobby, especially young people.

    • @djpagan2315
      @djpagan2315 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did you pre order !?

    • @jeffii9890
      @jeffii9890 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lildrake2519 MikeRich agrees th-cam.com/video/dkuyrEXAVpo/w-d-xo.html

  • @CapCityzFinest
    @CapCityzFinest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Id say a Yellow version!! To go with my Pollens and soon to be Taxi Jordan 1s🔥🔥🔥

  • @zdon5588
    @zdon5588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    IMO the military blues are the best 4s after the cements

  • @fjohngameziii
    @fjohngameziii 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The netting is much better on the blacks. If you look at the netting on the blues, it is perfectly horizontal & vertical. Looks terrible. On the black the netting is in line with the slant of the shoe. Much better.

  • @benjaminrobledo6029
    @benjaminrobledo6029 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love you’re content keep it up👍

  • @ybesprince5076
    @ybesprince5076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant believe he didnt talk about the weird heel cup shape on these 4s. I love em but that was the first thing I noticed when I opened the box

  • @amirimranz
    @amirimranz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really want Nike to retro the OG Military 4s but these are kinda hard very clean. Just wish they had Nike Air on the back

  • @jasonsimpkins9069
    @jasonsimpkins9069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They are smooth. And simple.

  • @richardcales6347
    @richardcales6347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fire ! Dead ass one of the best shoes Nike/jordan have released in along time .

  • @gatcat7434
    @gatcat7434 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The DNA!!! Love you bro

  • @MRBigWhite57
    @MRBigWhite57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Will def being trying to cop

  • @muaykaliente4386
    @muaykaliente4386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have to cop these and the infrared 4s this year for sure

  • @erickramer4580
    @erickramer4580 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to see a red jump man on the black on the heel and top of tongue.. think that might look dope.. Getting mine this Friday

  • @str8marihuano1
    @str8marihuano1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got mine at the ES over the weekend for $120 after discounts. Mens 11 Straight to toe 💪🏾

  • @robertfreeman1673
    @robertfreeman1673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aye man I fw you 💪🏽🔥

  • @PeoplesMarket714
    @PeoplesMarket714 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    🧼 clean clean. Thanks for the vid bro!

  • @nauticamane4912
    @nauticamane4912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still have nightmares thinking about how my fire red 4s came looking like a nigga got jumped into a gang with them on 😂 🤦🏽‍♂️ i was forced to send them back 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @stylepoint1200
    @stylepoint1200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These are 🔥🔥, but I’ve already got the White Cement 4’s. I don’t think I need these.

  • @paulbubeck31
    @paulbubeck31 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great looking 4. They match just about any fit.

  • @7Eightyone
    @7Eightyone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4's have been my favorites since 89. Definite cop even if I gotta go resell.

    • @Vernmis
      @Vernmis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try hibbet sports and JD they’re both raffles so no bots and snkrs ofc

    • @7Eightyone
      @7Eightyone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Vernmis thanks. I caught so many L's I stopped trying raffles lol. I'll do that and also check local stores.

    • @danzcondes3580
      @danzcondes3580 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are they on raffles at SNKRS?

    • @hunterjordan5064
      @hunterjordan5064 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@7Eightyone If you never got a pair and live near a not popular mall check now. I work at hibbet and we just got a restock!

    • @7Eightyone
      @7Eightyone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hunterjordan5064 thanks! I'm gonna check that. They're opening a Hibbett here in Vegas but it's still under construction.

  • @nematoad
    @nematoad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They need to retro the regular Militaries

  • @sveneezy2059
    @sveneezy2059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since I've been waiting for the Militaries for 6 years now I guess these are the next best. 🙋🏾‍♂️

  • @estebanpagan3334
    @estebanpagan3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are defiantly a clean color way 💯

  • @chrislefteye
    @chrislefteye ปีที่แล้ว

    Got mine on the weekend paid 140 Canadian no tax

  • @yamoniteran8366
    @yamoniteran8366 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im getting the Black Military

  • @ikea4u68
    @ikea4u68 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve had SNKRS for a year and to this day on mil blacks I’ve never won a draw

  • @wishfullythinking8938
    @wishfullythinking8938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’d rather have the blue which is why I’m passing on these

  • @Qwepzy
    @Qwepzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These and the BETA Encore 4's coming out this year is gonna be a problem for my bank account

  • @jasonwolfe3252
    @jasonwolfe3252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm glad they didn't put any silver on them besides the little on the tongue. That would have made them the Raiders 4s and I despise the Raiders.

  • @Dollaboi22
    @Dollaboi22 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The leather could me extra Tumbled IMO would’ve made the colorway even better 🗣💯‼️‼️

  • @akaron5498
    @akaron5498 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I need the Mili Blue's to retro. 🙏🏿😪 Hopefully soon

  • @moneymakinmitch8130
    @moneymakinmitch8130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Need a green version similar to those og green 4s

  • @lucianopunda6749
    @lucianopunda6749 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These shoes are so cool man im going to try to get them

  • @mikeulrich9725
    @mikeulrich9725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Any feedback on rather these fit tight in the toes? The 4’s have been a little tight lately.

    • @otakusamsay1953
      @otakusamsay1953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They for sure fit tight in the toebox

    • @tiffanymeharg9408
      @tiffanymeharg9408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always go up half a size in 3’s and 4’s.

  • @otakusamsay1953
    @otakusamsay1953 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need the military blues so badly!

  • @Lman9999
    @Lman9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Got these from exclusive access yesterday and had them listed at £310 then realised that they will probably be at least £400 in a years time so I deleted the listing. 😎

    • @Aqwtiny
      @Aqwtiny 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Demand might not be there though

    • @Lman9999
      @Lman9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Aqwtiny nah demand defo there. A lot of people will cop for personal wear so deadstock pairs will rise substantially

    • @4pluto2
      @4pluto2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got mine for $363 resell price 😭

    • @4pluto2
      @4pluto2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      had to cop them tho , love the colour way

    • @chrislefteye
      @chrislefteye ปีที่แล้ว

      Got mine on the weekend and they are fire paid 140 no tax

  • @jaredwallen3052
    @jaredwallen3052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just picked these up, and I’m in love . Almost scared to put them on toe lol

  • @FleekHD
    @FleekHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man military blue’s look so good even when they’re aged

    • @Hhhhhhyyg
      @Hhhhhhyyg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It seems like Jordan brand been giving us a lot Jordan’s that age horribly

    • @kv9574
      @kv9574 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ikr, I really wish the off white military blues would have released, I actually like that mock-up more than the breds

    • @FleekHD
      @FleekHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hhhhhhyyg u ain’t lying bro lmao, I became hella picking deciding what 1s, 4s or 5s to cop because I include that aging factor

  • @zillersneaks1709
    @zillersneaks1709 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The alternate 89s are almost like a red version of these. Not identical in color blocking but very close

  • @thomasshort2327
    @thomasshort2327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ain't a J4 fan but this color way is way too dope! Need a pair for sho

  • @raiderfrankdatank
    @raiderfrankdatank 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of youtubers are using that phrase: "A Problem"

  • @SupercarFNTCS
    @SupercarFNTCS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite Jordans by far🥶🥶🥶

  • @justicemillz4238
    @justicemillz4238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Definitely feel like this shoe is gonna be a problem🤌🏼

  • @QwikFlip
    @QwikFlip 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Military pack! 🔥

  • @kash_kayy
    @kash_kayy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Early gng🔥

  • @dsanchez9703
    @dsanchez9703 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imma AJ 4 Fanboy I love these Military Blacks

  • @justsomelochnessmonsterony8265
    @justsomelochnessmonsterony8265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man I wish I could get these, but them resale prices just ain't it for a shoe that is compromised of just black and white, even if the materials are pretty good.

  • @Rojovision1
    @Rojovision1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just call it a panda 4!

  • @ixnine
    @ixnine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So potentially a “Military Rainbow” of colors?

  • @jasonwolfe3252
    @jasonwolfe3252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    $210 is ridiculous. I really wouldn't mind so much if they hit us with that price for og colorways with Nike Air branding but for a regular gr?

  • @jdstacks
    @jdstacks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gotta have a red version

  • @adem3143
    @adem3143 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idk if i should buy these i have the af1 but i wanna style these too

  • @kash_kayy
    @kash_kayy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In your opinion which is better overall Unc 4s or Travis 4s

  • @sheynmuseta3871
    @sheynmuseta3871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    purple would be dope

  • @Whoismonet
    @Whoismonet 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do you buy your jordan 4

  • @twesj
    @twesj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Picked up two pairs. One is gonna sit in my closet until I decide to sell or wear them.

  • @robinsonsyevens1989
    @robinsonsyevens1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need these asap it’s a cop for me

  • @lildrake2519
    @lildrake2519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey Dj how's it going? I have a question so I have Jordan 11, and I cleaned the outsole, but they still not icy like I got them. What do I do

    • @Alametous
      @Alametous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like how some ppl know about google and that things that u can find almost everything about anything, but u asking famous youtuber, no matter what question is, they just need to be heared by dj. Funny human thing. Bro if u tap "how to restore ice sole" u gonna wonder n realize that even 300 of same dj's answer to you, you better option in google...

    • @pureambition23
      @pureambition23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sole sauce bro ✊🏾

    • @lildrake2519
      @lildrake2519 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Alametous hey man I googled and searched on TH-cam on tutorials but the tutorials I watched didn't help and I did exactly what they said. And I thought a og sneaker head that has been in the game for 15 years could give a good advice. Just because you are upset about whatever is going on in your life, it doesn't mean you have to take it out on a random stranger on the Internet.

    • @lildrake2519
      @lildrake2519 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pureambition23 I appreciate it, I will look into it 🤝

    • @PairOfGrapes
      @PairOfGrapes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lildrake2519 sole sauce, salon care 40, any custom “icebox”
      Any of these chemicals or their bases + sun or a UV light setup will unyellow those for you

  • @yakovhadash
    @yakovhadash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    oh ya got the shoe

  • @EZFeTTy
    @EZFeTTy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    WHERE U GET YOURS?

  • @tamtamm84
    @tamtamm84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I definitely need 2

  • @elcompavic323
    @elcompavic323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it have A1 material like the PSG 4's???! I think if u have the PSG4'S and u like those... u must get these military blk.... my opinion 🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @xeofalconm.shields5197
    @xeofalconm.shields5197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want a green version

  • @andrewilliams6367
    @andrewilliams6367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These fire but I promised myself I was only buying two pairs this year because I’m boycotting their price increase. Already got the two I really wanted. So I have to pass….begrudgingly.

  • @AveChristusRex789
    @AveChristusRex789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Managed to pick these up from the footlocker raffle, 2 even! Gonna have to sell the other one

  • @Hello-td6qs
    @Hello-td6qs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are these true to size?

  • @KG-un8uy
    @KG-un8uy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a way to even try and get these at MSRP?

  • @Master_Blaster_84
    @Master_Blaster_84 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jordan 4 is killing my foot,the most uncomfortable shoes,tell people that,dont make the hype just for the desing,plus the quality of Nike is trash.

  • @Panama00807
    @Panama00807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m stuck between these and the midnight navy 6’s

  • @deebrand1812
    @deebrand1812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Military blacks better both 🔥 though 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @abrahamruiz9254
    @abrahamruiz9254 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally got my W 😍😍💨😏😏

  • @S3RBIFIFA
    @S3RBIFIFA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    firee

  • @onewheel9406
    @onewheel9406 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    U reckon these will turn yellow after a while military blacks ?

  • @Naveee.
    @Naveee. 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    will these be realesing on the snkrs app? And will it only be releasing for select people, like the mambacita shoe did?

    • @Hhhhhhyyg
      @Hhhhhhyyg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Going to be on the snkrs app

    • @Young_OG617
      @Young_OG617 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gonna be a general release ! Almost every store will have them … UNLESS shipping delay which as been an issue all year

  • @Chris-ot5oj
    @Chris-ot5oj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jordans are always over priced. I stay with cheap ones. I'd rather spend $100 on on a pair of ultra fly or b fly

  • @kevincollins8620
    @kevincollins8620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They should open the floodgates... Jordan 4 by you. Then stop making 4s for a bit.

  • @duefeit4737
    @duefeit4737 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i use a size 9.5 in af1 so what should i get in these

  • @TheGoldinChannel
    @TheGoldinChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm thinking about going for a Pair.🤔

  • @kevincollins8620
    @kevincollins8620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Psg 4... is the upper similar???