An Essential Amendment for New Gardens
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- Today, the Arnold Palmer of microbial inoculants.... In this video I discuss my favorite amendment for starting gardens. I discuss how to use worm compost, vermicast, compost teas, and compost extracts. Also I talk about how to apply a compost tea to the soil. And I do a kickflip. That happens. I'm almost 40. Shot by Josh Sattin ( / @joshsattinfarming )
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You always offer so much in these videos, may your fountains never dry.
Awesome to hear that! We always want them to be as rich with info as possible for sure
I second this
Now I know what Rick Grimes is up to these days 😁 No seriously, thank you for this food for thought about more ways to work with microbes. I think this is the future of farming and I’m grateful for the generous insight into it.
Rick Grimes!! Lmao. Definitely!
I thought I was the only one seeing that. One very sleep deprived night, I was thinking Hershel would be so proud. 😂
Definitely go big! We built a 4'x8' worm bin with 2x12 douglas fir sides last season. And we do 30 gallon batches with drilled PVC for bubbling. Every time I brew a batch I offer it up free in 5 gallon buckets to friends. Very few takers and they think I'm nuts. Glad to know I'm not alone.
A buddy of mine has one of those worm towers and he did really well with it. He had to pack up all his stuff so he could move a few states away and he scraped everything clean and gave me all the worm castings/compost. I was happy to take all that off his hands for my garden.
Try a table spoon of sugar in the mix and a cheap aquarium heater and thermostat the slightly raised temprature works like magic.
I don't see the difference between the two bags of verma-compost, except one was in over night and the second one wasn't. I've also heard molasses helps them grow. It's nice to know fish parts work too.
There's in fact a difference, the aerobic bacteria takes about 15 mins to split cells into 2 separate entities.
The beneficial Abuscular mychorizal fungi requires 3 hrs.
If the aeration is run overnight or for 24 hrs with sufficient microbe food, and under favorable conditions then we should expect a better reproduction rate from the microbes.
This then corroborates his statement about having more bacteria/fungi population ratio in the tea compared to the compost extract over the course of time.
Thus it's a measure for balancing the microbe diversity ratio.
Currently brewing up 50 gallons to filter back into my 275 gal ibc tote and send out through my wobblers via a pump first thing tomorrow morning! I can’t wait to see if and how this turns out.
good tip about inoculating the seedlings before planting. I have not been doing that. Great video!
Regarding chlorine and off gasing: do need to be aware of what type of chlorine your source uses. Many use chloramine which does NOT off gas and AFAIK would require an added solution to neutralize it (available from aquarium supply). Thanks for the video and sharing valuable knowledge!
Great clarification, thank you!
Easiest fix - Collect rain water from a shed or your roof!
The "Outtakes" Rock! Keep them coming.
Just got your Living Soil Handbook. Loving it so far.
Worms are the bees of soil
This is awesome thank you for this video and demonstration.
Wow awesome kick flip dude!
In clogs!
Sick kick flip bro. Ditched the 2020 dream of a market garden for now and just focusing on homesteading alongside my day job. Still love watching your stuff. Take care!
Great straight forward content! Thanks again!
Some great pointers I will utilize in experimenting with compost tea!...Loved the living soil handbook by the way, I reference it a lot as Im starting up a market garden for my 1st season:)
Another great video thanks!
Liked and subscribed for kick flip alone.. awesome information!!
Excellent content 👌. Thank you
Great content. The bloopers at the end are cool. Keep it up
You are awesome!
Thank you for this!
I'm interested in the potential of running a hydroponic system exclusively off compost tea.
I feel like if you have deep mulch compost and you inoculate your beds with compost worms, then your beds become your worm composting system and you would not need to go to the trouble of feeding them with teas.
We do a lot of worm composting, but we use that to make potting soil for starts.
Good information
Of all the amendments I use....the 2nd is what I count on
Kickflip in garden clogs, that was awesome man!!
What's good Jesse
Interesting ...we never used an extract with the tea? What were you calling an extract ..for us if I want bacteria dominated tea I use molasses with high nitrogen compost
If I want fungal dominated compost I use fish hydroxylate with fungal donated compost pre charged with steel cut oats to get things white and fuzzy ..then brew for 48- 72 hours..
Smells like really good mushrooms by the bay if done correctly ...if that makes any sense.lol
Your ratios are lighter then mine ..I'm at 4 cups compost for 5 gallon brew .
To each his own , keep crushing!
Kickflip you still got it! I got an old droors tee go perfect with that hat!
Great gardening channel, or greatest gardening channel ever?
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You should look into a couple Natural Farming practices from Korea known as KNF and JADAM. I think you might like what they do,
Still able to pull off the ollie kick flip, nice.
I always add a few tablespoons of some sort of simple carbohydrate like flour or sugar.
I would make the extract and tea separate, then mix them together, I am of the understanding for a extract you want app 2 cups of worm castings per 5 gallons of water, then agitate for 4 hours. I would also like a microscope to see what things might happen when changing inputs to teas.
Love it!! From Nova Scotia
me too :)
I love your channel
subscribed after the kick flip
Merci 🙏.
Salutations de France.
Hey Jesse, love your stuff. Is your book still back ordered? How much soil testing do you do, and how much does that effect what amendments go into your soil?
most US water treatment is not with chlorine but chloramine, which does not off-gas. you would have to distill it or use RO filter to remove it.
I’ve had great success with worms in a compost heap. Finished or mostly finished compost, 1 yard minimum. Nice and damp and tarped. Then start digging into it and dumping veggie scraps or manure (I’ve never tried it with manure) in the holes. Don’t mix, just bury it. Not much food is needed at first. Once the worm population is built up over several months I may start burying food in multiple spots.
I usually let a pile go for a full year, but I don’t start out with finished compost. I use the bottom quarter or fifth of the previous heap, then add leaves and other raw ingredients til I have a couple yards. Then the only additions for the year are food scraps and occasionally roadkill. I used to cook it first but decided it is a waste of time! I can’t make hot compost in winter, too busy any other time. So now the compost making process is much slower but much much less labor intensive. And it’s not just compost of course. Oh, and before harvesting the compost I stop feeding for the last month so they eat the remaining scraps. This is another reason it is key to bury the scrap in a hole(s), not toss them in randomly. They are all there in the center of the pile where they are always accessible to the worms to eat. Not too hot, too cold, too dry like it could be near the surface.
Harvest worms if you want by restricting feeding for awhile, then feeding them scraps in a burlap sack or paper bag with holes in it. In this case I would use food that isn’t going to get super nasty since you will be handling it later. Melon or fruit not onions and potatoes.
Great vid, great audio. F. J. B.😊
Yes worm castings or compost tea
I commend you for teaching ppl to use teas and extracts, however, with respect… I wouldn’t do them in the same bucket. Teas are very “sticky” and that’s why they’re used for foliar spray. Extracts are not sticky and can penetrate deeper in to the soil. Teas do no penetrate, because they stick to everything on the surface. Whether a tea or extract promote bacteria or fungi is going to depend more on the parent material. A bacterial rich vermicompost will not become a fungal dominant extract without adding something like kelp and/or humic acid… fungal foods. Dr. Elaine would have a little fit to see you using air stones… she says they go anaerobic inside and cannot be cleaned. Was very interested in that Petra sprayer you demo’d Thanks for that.
Hi thanks for the comment. I still like this approach as I can go from soil drenching to foliar spraying as needed in the field, but I think making those distinctions is definitely helpful and important. And honestly, I lean a lot more on slurries and extracts than teas these days anyway. And I have also moved away from the stones upon a recommendation of another friend.
Ahhh the out takes never dissapoint me
Nice kick flip
Nice video! After watching your video with a Jenny Love I bought a worm bin and love it. My bins only a month old. Is it to soon to attempt this make this input? Also, have you tried to put it thru a hose end sprayer and apply it to a field? Could I use the same amount of casting but half the water, that way it doesn’t get over diluted by the hose end sprayer. Sweet kick flip by the way.
You are just the coolest nerd Jesse, kickflip in crocs... Can you be my adopted uncle or something?!
How often would you apply this to the soil? Very helpful video . Thank you
We moved from Croatia to the Allgäu in Germany, near the Alps, altitude 800 m, zone 6B... We replaced the large garden with wonderful, high-quality soil with a plot in the communal gardens, filled with soil of very poor quality. At the beginning, I thought that my biggest problem would be how to get as big a crop as possible in a small garden, in a climate with a short summer (with a large temperature difference day/night) ... but now it is clear that the basic thing is that I need to improve the quality of the soil. Each of your videos is very inspiring, I easily find the information I need. Thank you :)
Question - do you still use a combination of compost tea and compost extract as soil preparation? I watched your video "How to Make Compost Tea Like a PRO"...
Thank you in advance for your reply, Helena
Do you dilute it before doing the soil drench. And how much do you apply to each plant
Great tips! How many gallons per square foot for new beds? Approx?
hey jesse, i love the concept of microbial innoculation.. personally, i have not much experience/success with compost teas.. one thing ive always wondered about - the environmental conditions we provide the microbes in the composting and tea making processes are completely different from conditions in the soil to which the tea is applied..(c sources, temps, water vs soil, etc..). Are you aware of any studies conducted on changes in soil microbial communities following tea application, and how sustainable is the change, if it occurs..? ((and for how long..)
i run a small market garden.. fascinated by these concepts, and trying to figure out my strategy for next season..
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Unfotunatley, although vermicast has a lot of good research behind it (largely out of Hawaii), there are not enough studies on vermicast teas/extracts to say anything definitively one way or another (though there is at least one 2012 study that shows a minor improvement in microbial biomass from teas). The best approach is to use this in conjunction with living plant roots and good soil structure. The tea serves to multiply the microbial populations and offers the best chance at a quick burst of diversity. No guarantees but vermicast is always my go to!
I think of it as a rhizophagy tonic (plant roots literally adsorb the entire microbe and "eat" it.) So rather than just establishing populations of microbes, it's a stimulant for the indogenous soil life. The best food for microbes is healthy fast growing plants pushing sugar (carbon) into the soil, like Jesse said. Vermicast does typically have specific disease suppressing microbes as well. HTH!
Agreed with little to no visible success with "teas." It seems people ascribe results of "teas" based on myth when it is likely the extra, deliberate watering was the driver of better growth.
Ingham now advises against making teas unless you have the microscope background to identfy what you produced...including the toxic varieties you might have brewed-up.
Just apply the vermicast directly on the beds or as a thick slurry to extend it. The rhizosphere of a plant is a very narrow target area.
@@notillgrowers i guess my goal is to establish a sensible approach to bed prep and care, which would drive healthy and consistent nutrient cycling, while not exagerating with the time , labor and materials inputs put in to it, keeping it reasonable in a market garden context.. with so much info out there, Im trying to figure out the actual role of compost, vermicompost, teas, indigineous soil microbes with regards to nutrient cycling, soil health and plant health (like a 'connect with lines' assignment..)
as i see it at present, composts would serve both as microbe innoculants, and c source, while teas would serve mainly as innoculants..
to my understanding, i plan for next season to supply the soil with initial C and microbe innoculant + other ammendments (rock dust+ NPK source such as dried chicke manure).. not sure about approach to mulching, as deep compost mulch would be wasteful to my opinion, in my hot dry climate ..
obviously this thread could go on forever.. :)
Great! Your seedlings look fantastic! Any issues with fungus gnats? Thanks.
No, no issues with that.
Hi Jesse thanks for the video! do you dilute the tea at all before applying?
Thanks. No, I don't dilute.
I had a feeling you skated or used to skate...nice kickflip.
Hungry bin is what I use. you should try it
Oh awesome! Yeah those are nice
You should look into the JADAM style of gardening. Plenty of videos of it on youtube from the creator himself too. Would like to hear your thoughts on that style of Korean/ultra low cost farming.
Oh I love JADAM and KNF stuff. We use some of those techniques on our farm. We do a compost every year inspired by the IMO production (not to plug but the recipe will be in my book)
Use JLF. Smells awful, costs nothing, works great.
Yes, would love to hear your thoughts on his JMS (Jadam Microbial Solution) which he says focuses on anaerobic bacteria vs aerobic solutions which is mostly taught nowadays
@@fredrickson1414 It's more or less a replacement for compost tea in the sense that it's a huge population of microbes to be used as food for your indogenous microbes. Some of them likely stick around due to being facultative (thriving in lightly anaerobic and aerobic conditions.) The goal is more to feed the ecosystem than anything, and it has been proven to improve soil structure/depth due in trials above and beyond typical organic methods. One aspect that isn't discussed often is Reduction/Oxidation. Too much focus on aerobic activity will oxidize your soil just like tilling. Anaerobes are excellent at impoving reduction (adding electrons as opposed to losing with oxidation.) This will tend towards more acidity. It's also meant more as a soil preparation rather than a plant food or growing season amendment. The soil structure benefits can't be understated. I'd recommend checking it out, all things require balance and the laser focus on aerobics has been a mistake as proven by 1000s of years of success in Japan and Korea. There are more disease suppressive microbes in the anaerobic realm than people realize as well.
Frigging wicked Ollie
is time of year important for when you apply these concepts? Obviously when the ground is frozen is a bad idea, but is the use monthly, quarterly, once a season?
Man's still got the skateboard moves🛹😉
Do you ever use molasses or sugar in your tea? What are your thoughts on it?
Hi Jessey. I have watched your videos for a few years, now totally awesome. Finally hooked up on the laptop so I could subscribe, I plan on ordering you book but have a question: I can order from amazon with prime shipping : do you get the same amount of income from the book if I don't order directly from you; and will additional shipping fees apply if purchased directly from the farm store page? If so ill probably purchase off amazon and assist you more through patreon .. Can you send me a link to support your channel on monthly basis, keep up the good work. thanks Rick. ( Canada)
You are the man Jesse!!
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I think there is some value to including purchased inoculants in a microbial application as well- primarily because many of the microbes one would want to be introducing are those that can only live in the presence of living roots and exudates, which are not found in compost or vermicompost. I have question marks about whether KNF type IMO harvesting attracts those microbes, but for now I also include purchased inoculants in addition to compost tea/extracts.
I think both some amount of skepticism and some amount of diversity/insurance are never a bad thing
@@notillgrowers I really want to get off purchased anything and increase self reliance and DIY solutions as much as possible, which is why I mention the IMO harvesting. But yeah, I think one of the common threads we find in basically every conversation about biology is that diversity is key, ha.
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Look for healthy plants in a healthy ecosystem or even just a microclimate. That's good soil with good microbes. Get even more specific... are you growing a woody perennial? Harvest beneath healthy woody perennials. These systems are very intuitive. Make teas for your greens with fast growing greens like comfrey and nettles, harvested in the morning. Now you're borrowing hormones.
What’s your thoughts on biochar?
Do you dilute it? If not what size of area does it cover?
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Are there any UK suppliers for your book mate? Shipping across the pond is rather brutal on the pocket. 😉
Amazon, was the only place I could find it, with needing to go without food for the month :)
Rad kick flip
It is biochar hands down.
If i make an extract from chicken manure, how long should I let it "brew?" If the smell gets strong in a bad way, does that mean the solution is no good and/or gone anaerobic? I think I'll make a diy worm bin this weekend and ill just compost my manure ha
Can I do the same method with my rabbit manure? Or should I run the manure in my worm bin first?
Yes, but if you can, I recommend composting the manure first then run it through the worms. Worms will eat it, but you can eliminate disease potential and weed seeds with the composting!
No-Till Growers awesome thank you sir! I hope one day my no till gardens are as bountiful as yours!!
sunlight removes chlorine almost instantly.
Do you dilute it any??
Arararrr. So the 'tea' is the kitchen compost from the worm bin? And the ' extract' is the worm castings or worm 💩poo?
I've heard that you can use citric acid (vitamin C) as well to de-chlorinate the water.
I think this is unlikely to work well. Easiest is to leave the water exposed to air for 24 hours. Vit C will make your water more acidic. Do you want this?
@@InnerSunshine You do not have to put much, maybe a teaspoon per 50-gallon barrel. One gram of ascorbic acid will neutralize 1 milligram per liter of chlorine per 100 gallons of water. The reaction is very fast once it is dissolved. C5H5O5CH2OH + HOCL → C5H3O5CH2OH + HCl + H2O is the reaction. Yes, there is some Hydrochloric acid in the solution, but the ions are dissociated into the ions H+ and Cl-. Although ascorbic acid is mildly acidic and, in large doses, it will lower the pH of the treated water, sodium ascorbate is neutral in pH and will not affect the acidity of the treated water. The real benefit is you don't have to wait and it is completely non-toxic to plants or the environment in general. If you are absolutely concerned, sprinkle in some lime after treatment, but honestly, the effects are going to be very minimal so I would not worry about it. If you have good microbial life in your soil, the good bacteria will balance out the pH in the long run, regardless if the acid level was raised slightly.
Also, I will add that this is used in water treatment plants all the time. www.fs.fed.us/t-d/pubs/pdf/hi_res/05231301hi.pdf
Many public water departments use chloramine instead of chlorine and you must use a carbon hose filter to remove chloramine.
That's an important note. Preferably, people would use (almost) anything but municipal water.
I've read that vitamin C gets rid of chloramine.
@@faronandfriends155 a simple 20$ hose carbon filter works
These microbes can be inundated that long, or is it just something they give off?
My outdoor compost is always full of bugs at various stages of their lifecycles.
I have a worm bin inside but I'm hesitant to add my finished or nearly finished compost to it because of all the insects. Anyone have any experience?
Did your compost ever get hot enuf at any stage to kill what you want killed?
How do we store the tea?
If you attempt to store it all the aerobic microbes will die so it's best to use right away.
air stone = diffuser
I reccomend instead of using air stones you should use a fork because when using air stones it can absorb a good portion of the nutrients and it get stuck to the stones
What is a fork? I'm sicka buying air stone anywhoo
No
Is there a vermicompost bin that you recommend?
Good question. Not necessarily. I plan to expand our operation and make my own out of three totes each. There are several videos online about how to do it--same system I have now just now as expensive and pretty!
I off gas numerous times a night 😃
how can a person like me buy a no till hat?
There is a brand called organic gem and agrothrive much better fish fertilizer
Why are your videos so short? Is there some kind of psychology that says gardeners can only pay attention 10m minutes at a time?
Most of them are not this short. Check them out
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This is a little bit silly.
Haha, and I was thinking this was one of my LESS ridiculous videos
@@notillgrowers Don't listen to this old fuddy duddy. Im catching up on your videos after finally settling in from moving. Please don't stop making "silly" videos. I've been subbed for a while and love your energetic, interesting content. It doesn't feel like a college lecture and still get lots of info. Keep it up 🙌