I think that some people just don’t see that with the introduction of nil high school recruiting is now just like pro sports free agency. Coaches can only do so much when money is involved. Arkansas made an offer that no other school was willing to match. I wouldn’t be surprised if the kid takes the money and in a few years transfers to where he really wanted to go. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a Nole 2-3 years from now.
That’s what I keep trying to tell everybody they want to continue to look at this from the standpoint of these kids being student athletes and they’re not anymore. They are now professionally payed athletes maybe at a junior level, but professional nonetheless.
@@jabareo I don’t totally disagree. Although if Norvell feels like he was played such in the Travis Hunter, KJ Bolden cases. Then they won’t be wearing Garnet & Gold as long as Norvell is the HC.
Me too because half of these kids who turn Florida State down I never really end up hearing about them again once they do or either they wind up at Florida State via the transfer portal
I’d put it more on the actual staffs doing there job/ not doing it. Perfect example Miami. Higher blue chip ratio than us but weve beat them multiple years in a row and they continuously lose games they shouldn’t . That’s on Mario . We should be glad to have the XO’s staff we do but the recruiting for LB has just been atrocious
Dro2real not all recruits work out be it they come here or choose to go elsewhere so meh but why do we have all our eggs in such small baskets I get it LBs are dying out with all these 4 2 5 schemes but I'm dead ass certain there are a lot more targets out here and these recruitments aren't over Randy Shannon ain't it on LB recruiting
I should just say Georgia was recruiting this kid as well as a few other schools. I’m never worried about this anymore. You give them a year or two to mature. They hit the transfer portal and wind up at Florida State anyway all I can say is everybody needs to come to grips with the new age of college recruiting free agency and big money in college football has changed the landscape drastically. they say the transfer portal method isn’t sustainable, but I think people are gonna find out that if you a school that can pitch yourself as a premier destination for kids to land at out of the portal if the schools they commit to, don’t work out very sustainable, and I think Mike Norville is the first coach in the country to prove me right. there’s not very many coaches who would turn their nose up at the opportunity to take a few four or five star recruits out of the portal Dabo Sweeney being the exception.
Move Coach Shannon to another staff position and bring in a guy who can get it done with recruiting at the LB position. He has proven he cannot effectively sell the program and that position on our team to prospective players.
This season will actually be the first season we get to see is developmental skills with linebackers that have been at Florida State since being recruited out of high school. I mean what percentage of credit would you give him for developing Tatum Bethune who is already a starting linebacker in college?
Excellent show TJ‼️ Thats why I rocks with you Brother. I'm the Biggest Norvell Guy so its no hate. You and CJ are my go to Guys because yall keep it 💯 regardless of likes and team approval. Keep keepin it real my Man.🍢🍢
There isn't a freshman LB that would start for FSU. Randy is a great developer. Look at how the LBs play in REAL GAMES. 13-0 people.. GO NOLES!!! FBA/B1
They can most certainly get better lol. U cant be miss what u never had. This will not be the last one either. Until signing day and even beyond that... Until they are playing on the field in Tallahassee then we aint got em lol. And even then they can transfer. I think we just need to truet in Mike Norvell. We will get what we get and our staff will coach them up and we r gonna win. I understand being upset about this weak recruiting at linebacker. Its been weak for a few years. This sounds like what we were saying last season. This is where we need some work. No doubt. But there are good things on the horizon. This aint the end of the world. GO NOLES!!!
@@morganwartman8507 What? do some research dude. Arkansas has Tyson, Jerry Jones, Waltons (WalMart), the Stevens, JB Hunt....several billionairs. FSU is not anywhere in the money league that Arkansas boosters are. The problem is the boosters at Arkansas don't support Pittman so don't give very much. But if it come down to it FSU money doesn't even partially compete with Arkansas money. Not even close.
Just a reminder: last year UGA lost the #1 QB that had been committed to them for a year to Nebraska! NEBRASKA!!! Losing a couple kids isn’t the end of the world. We lost T Hunter and we have still won a lot of games without him. As Norvell said, “We’re going to win with or without you.”
But I until we recruit at a top 5 level we won’t consistently win against those teams recruiting at that same level. Yea we may keep it close and win a playoff game or even win it all one singular year . But we’ll never have a dominant FSU dynasty that can win multiple chips periodically without those too recruits consistently coming In
Sounds good but Uga normally finishes top 3 in recruiting regardless of who they lose. The difference in talent was on full display in the orange bowl.
What about Mr. Wallace? He juked an entire national program and University. He's clearly irresponsible for not being upfront and wouldn't fit into FSUs team culture.
Nichelson was a really good get but idk. LB isn't a position you can play early so we've had to go to the portal and I think that plays against our recruiting
KJ’s final media interview at FSU told me that something wasn’t on the up and up. His response about staying true to his commitment was blatantly concerning.
I think more times than not, you can't say that the staff gets played only. The local media gets played too. They chase these prospects around after unofficial and official visits, ask the same questions and then all of the FSU podcast and say their "sources" or even the prospects themselves tell them something and it is taken as gospel. Just like we "missed" on Wallace when you all believed we would get him, we got CJ Wiley when NO ONE thought he would commit to us. For now in early July, it's all good..just keep recruiting him and rest of the ones we want and got and we will see what happens in December.
We got out bid! But it ain't over until he signs on the dotted line. Mike will just have to work the portal for line backers. There will be some available.
My thing is they act like we are intentionally going really far away to recruit guys. The fact is we are recruiting everyone, doesn't matter where. I think this instance shows us that to be the case. We are hitting everyone up. And this guy showed interest. So we pursued him!
You do bring up a good point. Why does the FSU staff seem to keep getting fooled or even trolled by recruits. I'm not big on continuing to pursue a kid after they do that to the program also. I'd prefer to write them off. Don't have to be rude to the kid, but no thanks.
Ernie Sims is there and Buster Davis is coaching in Georgia bring him back! I see alot of confusion on twitter that if you say anything about this team IMPROVING in an area as hatred. If you're not doing your job EVERYONE gets held accountable and FIRED, even in college football! This is a results based world, nuce guys are nice but finishers and closers CLOSE! All of this pitty party for Randy doesn't win CHAMPIONSHIPS and average LBs dont make plays when a play is to be made. Their are top LBS still available NOW! Fsu better get off its high horse and either break 🍞 or get out of the way and let UCF, the gators or Miami get the top kids! Its ridiculous, I couldn't name a top LB that went to Arkansas!
I think Randy was coaching LBs last year and deloach made the biggest play at Clemson and in the acc championship Bethune made the game winning play. Calm down there are grown ass men that will come to Tallahassee
You can’t take these high school kids seriously. They say someone is their leader to get a better offer from another school to get more money. We have the portal and Mike always come through.
I disagree, we should fire the ACC if we want to seriously compete with the SEC and BIG10! All the best recruits don't want to play for the ACC! There's not enough money or prestige in the ACC to attract the best athletes!!!
And that’s what I think a lot of it is people aren’t looking at the fact either that recruiting has changed so much Florida State is pretty competitive in the NL department so I know money isn’t it clearly everybody saw one of the best defenses in the country on display last year so these recruits know they’re going to get developed and they can shine. I think when we leave the ACC, we see a dramatic change, when it comes to elevating the recruitment of students from the high school ranks hail we’re in the ACC and things have drastically improved overall.
This is a MONEY issue on how much the other teams are offering. Focus on 3 stars that can be developed or grab an experienced guy in the portal. High star freshman who does not get to lay the 1st year are just going to hit the portal anyway so why waste your time. A LB out of high school is NEVER going to start and has to be developed.
Randy is an ok coach at positional coaching, but dude sleeps through recruiting. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying bring on a guy to help him recruit. A schedule keeper or whatever is needed to help Randy. However, if you see an upgrade available, take him.
Nope....it's not that simple. Fire Randy and hire someone else without giving that coach a bag to get these kids....we'll have the same results. Guaranteed Arkansas swooped in with a bag full of money and won the kid over.
Randy needs to go! You can be great at 50% of your job and terrible at the other 50%.. it still bad overall and most would be terminated. With the new rules.. maybe keep Randy but he doesn’t recruit anymore. Hire a recruiter for that
Ok my take is that dissing FSU as a recruit is trending and everyone is doing it back to back years with 5 stars flipping on signing day it’s just how it is we don’t get money like SEC schools do if you don’t believe me go to on3 portal rankings and look at schools from SEC and schools from ACC it is drastic
Very well said my man. I was saying the exact same thing yesterday. Randy is a good guy, has tons of knowledge and is a perfect fit as far as representing the program but speaking on things I'm aware of Randy is more of a quiet person and doesn't relate to kids that well. We lost Tavion strictly on relationships. We desperately needed 2-3 lbs in this class. And unfortunately that's not going to happen. But I definitely agree a change needs to be made. This lb class is history so after this upcoming yr I see Mike moving forward without him.. Noles4Life!! One more thing I will add... We all knew a change had to be done with the secondary, and Mike brings the goat in Surtain. Which has been a home run hire. This kind of falls in the same situation. And just saying Mike would have plenty of options on bringing in a new lbs coach that not only can develop, but can form outstanding relationships. Our lb recruiting is so below avg not only for FSU but for all the other top programs. Very disappointing that a brand like FSU yr in and out we still cannot land elite lbs. I personally had us taking 2-3 lbs this class and now it's looking like we will end up with one so I guess they will once again have to fall back and hope for a portal transfer smh..Big reason why FSU still has that negative recruiting against them..But like you said... Randy is Randy and we all know Mike is well aware of this..Go Noles!!!
The Tavion situation is more NIL than relationship IMO. He could have selected Georgia. The fact that he spurned FSU and Georgia for Arkansas.......I very seriously doubt it was due to relationship. That being said, Randy has to go.
I totally disagree!! Not saying Arkansas didn't offer a nice bag but he is extremely tight with Travis. And if FSU is going loose on a elite lb strictly on nil I'm not buying it
@KH-qs1di it seems like no one actually listens to shit. The beat writers have all been dumb. Tavion Wallace specifically said it was relationships. A coach at Arkansas has been sucking off the family since his brother was being recruited by auburn.
The recruit far cause we gotta show we can recruit players in other states not just Florida.. every one try’s to recruit from different states as well .. but for us Lb recruiting goes fire Randy that will solve that problem quickly
I'm sorry but they can't recruit the HS guys well. They do a great job of the transfer portal. If the recruiting can catch up with the coaching, look out. Even though Bama has a new coach they are killing it. I know its Bama, but again its an all new staff.
@@robcastagna7548 Fisk and Colman helped that situation, Bowden didn’t have the same juice as he got older, I’m over 50 and I will tell you, playing games with teenagers is hard to do when you are a layed back type of guy. Blake was easier because of the help Randy received.
Randy is fine. Keep doing what you do in developing. The job is to make the players who do come better. Randy is great at that. If a kid chooses to go elsewhere it's not the coach to blame. If the player thinks grass is greener let them go. We can always get them back in the portal. We are the portal King. I want the top talent from high school but if the kids do not want to work their butt's off. Let them chase something else. Let's not get too emotionally attached to kids decisions. If we go down that road it's gonna be tough. Let's focus on the kids who do sign and show up to storms training camp when that time comes. Fear the Spear!
Portal king? The lack of talen in the portal this year was obvious. FSU ranked high in the portal because they snagged a bunch of blue chippers with absolutely no playing experience. This year on the field you will see the drastic decline in talent on the field and wish this staff did a better job a high school recruiting because it will greatly affect next year . I predict the next two seasons for FSU will be medicore at best , save this post and get at me at the end .
No need to save…but I bet you won’t have the guts to admit you’re wrong when FSU is a Playiff team. There’s no way the Committee can steal their spot this season
@@MichaelWinter-zv8yk I have no problem admiting when I am wrong as I am human and mistakes like most. Same way I haven't bet on the miami Vs Fsu for the past 2 years because talent differential going FSU'S way. I love my Canes but Money comes first. This year I like Miami'S talent over Fsu so I will bet again this year. I've been betting on this rivarly over the past 10 years and I'm at 80% profit as of now . I'm taking all bets. Ps to make the playoffs you will have to win the ACC I don't think FSU is better then Clemson or Miami this year just my opionion.
I agree with the unproven portion of the comment. The pieces have potential to be special though. Elite speed for the WR room, running back room returns 1, but an Alabama transfer caliber player and a true freshman that looks like a junior. I can see us run the ball more. Defense will probably take a slight step back but with the way we rotate it will not be too noticeable. Biggest problem is we are now in a different era. Recruiting takes time to get high school bodies ready to play in college. Portal is a speed pass getting proven ready to go college players. No other team has used the portal better than Norvell. We should have been allowed to compete for the title and prove his product that was undefeated in the regular season. We were mismanaged in the previous two administrations. Novell did the impossible. Not possible without the portal. Fear the Spear!
Clemson will have a tough defense as usual. Offense is in trouble. Shipley has been like 70 percent of their Offense. He is gone. QB is not that great. Not sure they have many proven players on the offensive side of the ball. Clemson insider article states they are banking on Klubnic taking a huge step forward. Wait that doesn't sound like proven talent either. I look for Clemson to have to find someone to fill the vacancy of Shipley who was special. Can it happen yes, but they have more questions than Florida State does in my opinion. Yes Florida State has to see how new pieces are going to fit together which is fair but Clemson has returners that are still not proven anything. Looking at who they played how many losses I would say they are set for another tough season losing players but refusing to take partial players. Fear the Spear!
We got outbid by the Hogs, pure and simple. Mike will just have to work the portal. There will be some good gets there after the dust from the pre-season camps settles.
Everyone is playing the game to make as much money as possible this isn't about football and who the best team is anymore this is a game about money. Also nothing is official until the ink dries... I dont want players on our team that are just in it for the money and play games like that. Integrityis a big deal.
Armoundo Blount literally left us knocking on the door! Wouldnt answer. Thats Fn crazy. That is extremely disrespectful. No matter who is happened to. Its a testament to the kind of person he is. Atleast have the basic human decency to answer the door. Wow, hearing that im going to be actively recruiting against that kid personally
Most kids that FSU are recruiting want to play in the SEC and for the kids that FSU lose to Miami , Miami is a lot more fun to be than Tallahassee, yall can’t tell me that in 2008 Randy had the number #1 recruiting class at Miami now that it’s 2024 now all of the sudden Randy now how to recruit , im not buying it
Shannon it’s not the problem he it’s good recruiter he got Miami 1 recruiting class as coach stop blaming him. So it’s also his fault Armando Blount flip to Miami and the safety. Flip to Georgia on signing day it’s the entire coaching staff
Because our staff ain't got recruiting killer instinct in them. These are 17 year olds in a room full of grown salesmen. If they're only getting pitched one product they'll lean there. FSU should be pulling top 5 classes annually rn
@@kdog350 name one player that has commited to Miami who has complained about NIL or playing time , ⏲️ I will wait. Doesn't exist ! so what exactly is Miami lying about ?
Let's stop this right now, it's always funny to me how these recruits make these all of a sudden changes/decisions. But somehow we criticize the coach/coaching staff for it, these kids make those choices. All the while, FSU is in the right position & doing all the right things. Then at the last minute, they get swerved for whatever reason. Bottom line is either you wanna come to FSU.....or you don't! There's no in between, plain & simple! Go Noles!!!
So we need some changes in recruiting? Yes, but in reality, a freshman contributing is a drop in the bucket. I think they will fill some needs in the portal and we will be fine. Remember when Marvin Jones Jr. went to UGA, the sky was falling. Now look where he is. Thats the issue with stocking your team with highly rated recruits. There are only 11 positions and starters shine. In the age of NIL, there really isnt much loyalty on these SEC teams. Just sit back and watch.
This was brutal. Sorry, you wasted your time yesterday. I'm shocked we went 0-3 on LBs (but not really). I don't think any of these guys' recruitment is over. Games will be played. Ark might only win 5 games at best this year.
Tavion Wallace was blown away with everything at Arkansas when he visited there. He wanted to transfer there not just because the money was good but he likes it there and its SEC Country.
I don't know who to blame, but watching former commits walk away is frustrating. However, I really don't care because if a kid is going to a school for a paycheck and not because he wants to be part of a great team, I'm sorry bye. Cormani McClain is the perfect example the kid had no love for the program and maybe it had nothing to do with NIL. Then you have Jared Verse recruited from a lower level school and that man bleed for this team and is a Nole for life. I'm still of the mindset that if a kid gives a verbal commitment to a program and is offered a NIL deal that should remove them from the recruitment pool altogether. If you want to overcomplicate and fuck things up just involve money it will get out of hand quickly.
Unfortunately, Norvell suffers from the same thing Jimbo did; which is staff loyalty. Mike preaches development, but we aren’t producing All-American LBs? How can you not fire Randy after going 0-3 on the most important position we need next to DT?
What's the standard though TJ? One Miss? Two misses? Three misses? You say you trust Norvell and then you say you don't blame Shannon. The logical link is to put the blame on Norvell. Perhaps Mike was willing to do the same thing that you're claiming not to do now and that is blame Randy. Mike is certainly not going to fire Randy now, at this point in time in the year. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see after the season whether or not he thinks Randy can handle ALL The responsibilities of his position.
Money talks....that's it and that's all. We've had a bunch of recruits that spurned us at the last minute and not all were LB's. Best believe if they gave Randy a bag he'd have majority of those kids.
Recruiting means nothing. As long as you can take a three star and develop him into a 4-5 star that’s all that matters. If your a great developer and just a so so recruiter that’s a thousand times better then being a great recruiter and a shit developer.
Shannon has been an issue for over a year recruiting wise if not 2 years obv I want the problem solved but nope it rears its ugly head again...find a new lb coach its so obvious but Norvell is going to let it go yet again because he can coach
Everybody calm down...its recruiting...you miss sometimes...its still early, people will flip to us and from us...Care about winning not recruiting battles with kids...the team just won 13 games...trust this staff...stop whining
I think that some people just don’t see that with the introduction of nil high school recruiting is now just like pro sports free agency. Coaches can only do so much when money is involved. Arkansas made an offer that no other school was willing to match. I wouldn’t be surprised if the kid takes the money and in a few years transfers to where he really wanted to go. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a Nole 2-3 years from now.
That’s what I keep trying to tell everybody they want to continue to look at this from the standpoint of these kids being student athletes and they’re not anymore. They are now professionally payed athletes maybe at a junior level, but professional nonetheless.
Basically bidding on high school athletes
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@@jabareo I don’t totally disagree. Although if Norvell feels like he was played such in the Travis Hunter, KJ Bolden cases. Then they won’t be wearing Garnet & Gold as long as Norvell is the HC.
We won 23 games in two years with “inferior talent”. I’m beginning to question these player rankings and evaluations.
Me too because half of these kids who turn Florida State down I never really end up hearing about them again once they do or either they wind up at Florida State via the transfer portal
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I’d put it more on the actual staffs doing there job/ not doing it. Perfect example Miami. Higher blue chip ratio than us but weve beat them multiple years in a row and they continuously lose games they shouldn’t . That’s on Mario . We should be glad to have the XO’s staff we do but the recruiting for LB has just been atrocious
This isn't a recruiting staff... we've all already been watching this for some yrs now
Dro2real not all recruits work out be it they come here or choose to go elsewhere so meh but why do we have all our eggs in such small baskets I get it LBs are dying out with all these 4 2 5 schemes but I'm dead ass certain there are a lot more targets out here and these recruitments aren't over Randy Shannon ain't it on LB recruiting
Portal. Spend money on proven guys that are physically mature. Paying big money for HS recruits is insane for 99% of them.
Portal isn’t a guarantee tho , that’s the whole point . We got one from
Bama and TJ is even iffy on if he may produce big. Gotta start at the HS level
The portal is the reason you just lost 63-3.
Bro why are you in every Florida State video talking about that dumb loss bro do you guys have nothing else better to do
I wonder what the reason was for you guys losing the sorry-ass Alabama @@litedawg
@enoshnewby6960 Portal is closer to a guarantee than a HS kid that’s for damn sure.
I don’t even follow recruiting anymore for this reason
I've always said Derrick Brooks should be our linebacker coach
Please God make that happen
Or … Ernie Sims who has actual experience as a football coach and is already on staff at FSU.
I should just say Georgia was recruiting this kid as well as a few other schools. I’m never worried about this anymore. You give them a year or two to mature. They hit the transfer portal and wind up at Florida State anyway all I can say is everybody needs to come to grips with the new age of college recruiting free agency and big money in college football has changed the landscape drastically. they say the transfer portal method isn’t sustainable, but I think people are gonna find out that if you a school that can pitch yourself as a premier destination for kids to land at out of the portal if the schools they commit to, don’t work out very sustainable, and I think Mike Norville is the first coach in the country to prove me right. there’s not very many coaches who would turn their nose up at the opportunity to take a few four or five star recruits out of the portal Dabo Sweeney being the exception.
lets be honest the kid probably going to lose alot of games at ark
@@Mateogreat facts
Move Coach Shannon to another staff position and bring in a guy who can get it done with recruiting at the LB position. He has proven he cannot effectively sell the program and that position on our team to prospective players.
Its ok TJ, it can only get better....i think 😳🙌🏾
LB play has improved drastically since Randy got there. Gotta figure something else out when it comes to recruiting.
You got all the way til December and February it’ll be fine.
No it won't 😢
This season will actually be the first season we get to see is developmental skills with linebackers that have been at Florida State since being recruited out of high school.
I mean what percentage of credit would you give him for developing Tatum Bethune who is already a starting linebacker in college?
Excellent show TJ‼️ Thats why I rocks with you Brother. I'm the Biggest Norvell Guy so its no hate. You and CJ are my go to Guys because yall keep it 💯 regardless of likes and team approval. Keep keepin it real my Man.🍢🍢
Not recruiting well at FSU isn't an option
This is 100% the truth. Our recruiting is unacceptable. When Jimbo was here. That's the way we expect to recruit
Love the show! So truthful! Thank you and go Noles!
Looks like we’ll be hitting the transfer portal for linebackers for the foreseeable future.
That’s not a bad thing.
There isn't a freshman LB that would start for FSU.
Randy is a great developer. Look at how the LBs play in REAL GAMES.
13-0 people..
GO NOLES!!!
FBA/B1
Should be use to this, you guys are so hook line and sinker EVERYTIME
Arkansas PAID more! I think however, that Randy’s gotta go. He can’t recruit good enough.
Ty Jackson from Florida four star linebacker is the last Target on the board if they can get him
They can most certainly get better lol. U cant be miss what u never had. This will not be the last one either. Until signing day and even beyond that... Until they are playing on the field in Tallahassee then we aint got em lol. And even then they can transfer. I think we just need to truet in Mike Norvell. We will get what we get and our staff will coach them up and we r gonna win. I understand being upset about this weak recruiting at linebacker. Its been weak for a few years. This sounds like what we were saying last season. This is where we need some work. No doubt. But there are good things on the horizon. This aint the end of the world. GO NOLES!!!
Yes a mango could definitely help my mood. A mango flavored gummy that is 😂😂😂
arkansas had a bigger bag pretty simple, he probably either flips down the road or transfers lol
I’ve been told Arkansas did not offer more. Take it for what it’s worth.
There’s no chance Arkansas has more money to offer than FSU
@@morganwartman8507 What? do some research dude. Arkansas has Tyson, Jerry Jones, Waltons (WalMart), the Stevens, JB Hunt....several billionairs. FSU is not anywhere in the money league that Arkansas boosters are. The problem is the boosters at Arkansas don't support Pittman so don't give very much. But if it come down to it FSU money doesn't even partially compete with Arkansas money. Not even close.
Just a reminder: last year UGA lost the #1 QB that had been committed to them for a year to Nebraska! NEBRASKA!!! Losing a couple kids isn’t the end of the world.
We lost T Hunter and we have still won a lot of games without him.
As Norvell said, “We’re going to win with or without you.”
But I until we recruit at a top 5 level we won’t consistently win against those teams recruiting at that same level. Yea we may keep it close and win a playoff game or even win it all one singular year . But we’ll never have a dominant FSU dynasty that can win multiple chips periodically without those too recruits consistently coming In
Sounds good but Uga normally finishes top 3 in recruiting regardless of who they lose.
The difference in talent was on full display in the orange bowl.
@@brianpierre42not rly cause a lot of players were out that game.
I disagree, that’s the reason we use the portal to bring in guys ready to play now. Most stay at least two years.
No, that was Georgias starters against our back ups and 3rd string. Players who didn’t really see the field that much.
Give me the better coach/developer over the better recruiter.
The results over the last two years prove that.
FBA/B1
Why is it so shocking? It is now a fad to dis FSU on recruiting announcements. In my own opinion.
My 2 yr old cant handle holding milk either. I feel you on that one TJ 😂
Let him go go to portal
Hey @SuperElvis, what's with the go-go reference? Going back to the 60's? J/K but I loved the go-go reference.
What about Mr. Wallace? He juked an entire national program and University. He's clearly irresponsible for not being upfront and wouldn't fit into FSUs team culture.
FSU needs to hire a well known, and well respected LB’s coach from a big time high school program out of Miami.
Who wants that Arkansas job?
Nichelson was a really good get but idk. LB isn't a position you can play early so we've had to go to the portal and I think that plays against our recruiting
KJ’s final media interview at FSU told me that something wasn’t on the up and up. His response about staying true to his commitment was blatantly concerning.
I think more times than not, you can't say that the staff gets played only. The local media gets played too. They chase these prospects around after unofficial and official visits, ask the same questions and then all of the FSU podcast and say their "sources" or even the prospects themselves tell them something and it is taken as gospel. Just like we "missed" on Wallace when you all believed we would get him, we got CJ Wiley when NO ONE thought he would commit to us. For now in early July, it's all good..just keep recruiting him and rest of the ones we want and got and we will see what happens in December.
Can't missed what you never had. On to the next recruit. Smh
On to the next recruit that plays you like a fiddle because you failed to close strongly. That's Randy in a nutshell.
@@KH-qs1di you do know these kids have minds of their own. I can't be mad at his decision because it's his to make
We got out bid! But it ain't over until he signs on the dotted line.
Mike will just have to work the portal for line backers. There will be some available.
They got Nicholson from CA, good recruiters go anywhere… thats a dumb take because its too far😏
My thing is they act like we are intentionally going really far away to recruit guys. The fact is we are recruiting everyone, doesn't matter where. I think this instance shows us that to be the case. We are hitting everyone up. And this guy showed interest. So we pursued him!
LET'S GO CANES!!!!🙌
You do bring up a good point. Why does the FSU staff seem to keep getting fooled or even trolled by recruits. I'm not big on continuing to pursue a kid after they do that to the program also. I'd prefer to write them off. Don't have to be rude to the kid, but no thanks.
kids use fsu to get more money from sec
No one has committed anywhere yet. Dont see signatures on paper. Much will change before then
Isn't our staff smart enough to dispel Miami's nonsence about transfers?
No, it isn’t.
Ernie Sims is there and Buster Davis is coaching in Georgia bring him back! I see alot of confusion on twitter that if you say anything about this team IMPROVING in an area as hatred. If you're not doing your job EVERYONE gets held accountable and FIRED, even in college football! This is a results based world, nuce guys are nice but finishers and closers CLOSE! All of this pitty party for Randy doesn't win CHAMPIONSHIPS and average LBs dont make plays when a play is to be made. Their are top LBS still available NOW! Fsu better get off its high horse and either break 🍞 or get out of the way and let UCF, the gators or Miami get the top kids! Its ridiculous, I couldn't name a top LB that went to Arkansas!
You answered it yes part of the coach; but these kids nor parents care all they want is the money up front . Football is getting ruin over this
I think Randy was coaching LBs last year and deloach made the biggest play at Clemson and in the acc championship Bethune made the game winning play. Calm down there are grown ass men that will come to Tallahassee
Deloach made the call pre snap. Not a coaches call
You can’t take these high school kids seriously. They say someone is their leader to get a better offer from another school to get more money. We have the portal and Mike always come through.
Transfer portal is the diffrence with recruiting
I disagree, we should fire the ACC if we want to seriously compete with the SEC and BIG10! All the best recruits don't want to play for the ACC! There's not enough money or prestige in the ACC to attract the best athletes!!!
And that’s what I think a lot of it is people aren’t looking at the fact either that recruiting has changed so much Florida State is pretty competitive in the NL department so I know money isn’t it clearly everybody saw one of the best defenses in the country on display last year so these recruits know they’re going to get developed and they can shine. I think when we leave the ACC, we see a dramatic change, when it comes to elevating the recruitment of students from the high school ranks hail we’re in the ACC and things have drastically improved overall.
ACC is not the problem when it comes to recruiting. Show me the money!!
This is a MONEY issue on how much the other teams are offering. Focus on 3 stars that can be developed or grab an experienced guy in the portal. High star freshman who does not get to lay the 1st year are just going to hit the portal anyway so why waste your time. A LB out of high school is NEVER going to start and has to be developed.
Randy is an ok coach at positional coaching, but dude sleeps through recruiting. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying bring on a guy to help him recruit. A schedule keeper or whatever is needed to help Randy. However, if you see an upgrade available, take him.
The answer is simple fire Randy and hire Ernie Sims
They already hired Ernie
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Not as LB coach
Nope....it's not that simple. Fire Randy and hire someone else without giving that coach a bag to get these kids....we'll have the same results. Guaranteed Arkansas swooped in with a bag full of money and won the kid over.
@@msseminoles21 I think he was committed to Arkansas verbally and was just exploring his options
Randy needs to go! You can be great at 50% of your job and terrible at the other 50%.. it still bad overall and most would be terminated.
With the new rules.. maybe keep Randy but he doesn’t recruit anymore. Hire a recruiter for that
Ok my take is that dissing FSU as a recruit is trending and everyone is doing it back to back years with 5 stars flipping on signing day it’s just how it is we don’t get money like SEC schools do if you don’t believe me go to on3 portal rankings and look at schools from SEC and schools from ACC it is drastic
Very well said my man. I was saying the exact same thing yesterday. Randy is a good guy, has tons of knowledge and is a perfect fit as far as representing the program but speaking on things I'm aware of Randy is more of a quiet person and doesn't relate to kids that well. We lost Tavion strictly on relationships. We desperately needed 2-3 lbs in this class. And unfortunately that's not going to happen. But I definitely agree a change needs to be made. This lb class is history so after this upcoming yr I see Mike moving forward without him.. Noles4Life!! One more thing I will add... We all knew a change had to be done with the secondary, and Mike brings the goat in Surtain. Which has been a home run hire. This kind of falls in the same situation. And just saying Mike would have plenty of options on bringing in a new lbs coach that not only can develop, but can form outstanding relationships. Our lb recruiting is so below avg not only for FSU but for all the other top programs. Very disappointing that a brand like FSU yr in and out we still cannot land elite lbs. I personally had us taking 2-3 lbs this class and now it's looking like we will end up with one so I guess they will once again have to fall back and hope for a portal transfer smh..Big reason why FSU still has that negative recruiting against them..But like you said... Randy is Randy and we all know Mike is well aware of this..Go Noles!!!
The Tavion situation is more NIL than relationship IMO. He could have selected Georgia. The fact that he spurned FSU and Georgia for Arkansas.......I very seriously doubt it was due to relationship. That being said, Randy has to go.
I totally disagree!! Not saying Arkansas didn't offer a nice bag but he is extremely tight with Travis. And if FSU is going loose on a elite lb strictly on nil I'm not buying it
@KH-qs1di it seems like no one actually listens to shit. The beat writers have all been dumb. Tavion Wallace specifically said it was relationships. A coach at Arkansas has been sucking off the family since his brother was being recruited by auburn.
Man let it go . Use what you got to get what you want.
The recruit far cause we gotta show we can recruit players in other states not just Florida.. every one try’s to recruit from different states as well .. but for us Lb recruiting goes fire Randy that will solve that problem quickly
he may change his mind like others have
He didn’t shut down his recruitment. It’s a long way to December
What’s going on with Coach Shannon
I'm sorry but they can't recruit the HS guys well. They do a great job of the transfer portal. If the recruiting can catch up with the coaching, look out. Even though Bama has a new coach they are killing it. I know its Bama, but again its an all new staff.
Commitment means nothing anymore... it'll likely change once or twice.
I don't care until they are on the field.
It’s an age thing, you have to be a guy with a personality and high energy. Randy doesn’t have that nor the coach before him.
Didn’t Odell and Dugans just pull some top guys? They are the same age as Randy. Just saying its not an age thing
@@robcastagna7548 Fisk and Colman helped that situation, Bowden didn’t have the same juice as he got older, I’m over 50 and I will tell you, playing games with teenagers is hard to do when you are a layed back type of guy. Blake was easier because of the help Randy received.
I hear you. Younger guys would work better with new generation
We run a 4-2-5.. we will be fine
Awwwwwww...BOO HOO. Go HOGS!!
Let him go. We will see him in a few years....but we might not have a slot then. It is not the end of the world TJ. Chill and it will work itself out.
I'm allergic to mangoes😅
Its simple the kid chose Arkansas over UGA,FSU, and UF. What does that tell you? ...(NIL) he will be a Nole 2 years from now.
Other teams have money as well so there is that.
Randy is fine. Keep doing what you do in developing. The job is to make the players who do come better. Randy is great at that. If a kid chooses to go elsewhere it's not the coach to blame. If the player thinks grass is greener let them go. We can always get them back in the portal.
We are the portal King. I want the top talent from high school but if the kids do not want to work their butt's off. Let them chase something else.
Let's not get too emotionally attached to kids decisions. If we go down that road it's gonna be tough. Let's focus on the kids who do sign and show up to storms training camp when that time comes.
Fear the Spear!
Portal king? The lack of talen in the portal this year was obvious. FSU ranked high in the portal because they snagged a bunch of blue chippers with absolutely no playing experience. This year on the field you will see the drastic decline in talent on the field and wish this staff did a better job a high school recruiting because it will greatly affect next year . I predict the next two seasons for FSU will be medicore at best , save this post and get at me at the end .
No need to save…but I bet you won’t have the guts to admit you’re wrong when FSU is a Playiff team. There’s no way the Committee can steal their spot this season
@@MichaelWinter-zv8yk I have no problem admiting when I am wrong as I am human and mistakes like most. Same way I haven't bet on the miami Vs Fsu for the past 2 years because talent differential going FSU'S way. I love my Canes but Money comes first. This year I like Miami'S talent over Fsu so I will bet again this year. I've been betting on this rivarly over the past 10 years and I'm at 80% profit as of now . I'm taking all bets. Ps to make the playoffs you will have to win the ACC I don't think FSU is better then Clemson or Miami this year just my opionion.
I agree with the unproven portion of the comment. The pieces have potential to be special though. Elite speed for the WR room, running back room returns 1, but an Alabama transfer caliber player and a true freshman that looks like a junior.
I can see us run the ball more. Defense will probably take a slight step back but with the way we rotate it will not be too noticeable.
Biggest problem is we are now in a different era. Recruiting takes time to get high school bodies ready to play in college. Portal is a speed pass getting proven ready to go college players. No other team has used the portal better than Norvell. We should have been allowed to compete for the title and prove his product that was undefeated in the regular season. We were mismanaged in the previous two administrations. Novell did the impossible. Not possible without the portal.
Fear the Spear!
Clemson will have a tough defense as usual. Offense is in trouble. Shipley has been like 70 percent of their Offense. He is gone. QB is not that great. Not sure they have many proven players on the offensive side of the ball. Clemson insider article states they are banking on Klubnic taking a huge step forward. Wait that doesn't sound like proven talent either. I look for Clemson to have to find someone to fill the vacancy of Shipley who was special. Can it happen yes, but they have more questions than Florida State does in my opinion. Yes Florida State has to see how new pieces are going to fit together which is fair but Clemson has returners that are still not proven anything.
Looking at who they played how many losses I would say they are set for another tough season losing players but refusing to take partial players.
Fear the Spear!
We got outbid by the Hogs, pure and simple. Mike will just have to work the portal. There will be
some good gets there after the dust from the pre-season camps settles.
Everyone is playing the game to make as much money as possible this isn't about football and who the best team is anymore this is a game about money. Also nothing is official until the ink dries... I dont want players on our team that are just in it for the money and play games like that. Integrityis a big deal.
You amd Richie jinx us. 4 for 4 right lol?
Armoundo Blount literally left us knocking on the door! Wouldnt answer. Thats Fn crazy. That is extremely disrespectful. No matter who is happened to. Its a testament to the kind of person he is. Atleast have the basic human decency to answer the door. Wow, hearing that im going to be actively recruiting against that kid personally
You're bitter😂😂😂
This is what kills me! We support FSU no matter what! However, we trip in recruiting! Either FSU IS YOYR TEAM OR NOT! CHOOSE A SIDE!!
This was a recruit for 2025 who would not be starting aa a freshman anyway.
Most kids that FSU are recruiting want to play in the SEC and for the kids that FSU lose to Miami , Miami is a lot more fun to be than Tallahassee, yall can’t tell me that in 2008 Randy had the number #1 recruiting class at Miami now that it’s 2024 now all of the sudden Randy now how to recruit , im not buying it
Shannon it’s not the problem he it’s good recruiter he got Miami 1 recruiting class as coach stop blaming him. So it’s also his fault Armando Blount flip to Miami and the safety. Flip to Georgia on signing day it’s the entire coaching staff
How the hell can Miami negative recruit us.
Because our staff ain't got recruiting killer instinct in them. These are 17 year olds in a room full of grown salesmen. If they're only getting pitched one product they'll lean there. FSU should be pulling top 5 classes annually rn
Miami is great at lying
Miami>Trailerhassee, not that hard😂😂
@@kdog350 name one player that has commited to Miami who has complained about NIL or playing time , ⏲️ I will wait. Doesn't exist ! so what exactly is Miami lying about ?
Let's stop this right now, it's always funny to me how these recruits make these all of a sudden changes/decisions. But somehow we criticize the coach/coaching staff for it, these kids make those choices. All the while, FSU is in the right position & doing all the right things. Then at the last minute, they get swerved for whatever reason. Bottom line is either you wanna come to FSU.....or you don't! There's no in between, plain & simple! Go Noles!!!
Who in their right mind would fire Norvell??? Chill folks.
Arkansas had a bigger NIL package. Nothing Randy can do.
So we need some changes in recruiting? Yes, but in reality, a freshman contributing is a drop in the bucket. I think they will fill some needs in the portal and we will be fine. Remember when Marvin Jones Jr. went to UGA, the sky was falling. Now look where he is. Thats the issue with stocking your team with highly rated recruits. There are only 11 positions and starters shine. In the age of NIL, there really isnt much loyalty on these SEC teams. Just sit back and watch.
Have to move on from Randy.
It’s def the trolling aspect that seems to keep happening to us , it’s a bad look.
This was brutal. Sorry, you wasted your time yesterday. I'm shocked we went 0-3 on LBs (but not really). I don't think any of these guys' recruitment is over. Games will be played. Ark might only win 5 games at best this year.
Yall are too worried about the decisions these kids are making. Worry about your own problems. Norvell has got us.
Shannon has to go
Tavion Wallace was blown away with everything at Arkansas when he visited there. He wanted to transfer there not just because the money was good but he likes it there and its SEC Country.
Sure😂
@@natethegreat6367 You might try looking it up like I did on hogville 🙄
I don't know who to blame, but watching former commits walk away is frustrating. However, I really don't care because if a kid is going to a school for a paycheck and not because he wants to be part of a great team, I'm sorry bye. Cormani McClain is the perfect example the kid had no love for the program and maybe it had nothing to do with NIL. Then you have Jared Verse recruited from a lower level school and that man bleed for this team and is a Nole for life. I'm still of the mindset that if a kid gives a verbal commitment to a program and is offered a NIL deal that should remove them from the recruitment pool altogether. If you want to overcomplicate and fuck things up just involve money it will get out of hand quickly.
It’s the kids fault. It’s all about me me me, look at me, how can I get the most attention whether it’s negative or positive.
It’s beating a dead horse at this point, but what is Randy still doing on this staff?
Unfortunately, Norvell suffers from the same thing Jimbo did; which is staff loyalty.
Mike preaches development, but we aren’t producing All-American LBs?
How can you not fire Randy after going 0-3 on the most important position we need next to DT?
What's the standard though TJ? One Miss? Two misses? Three misses? You say you trust Norvell and then you say you don't blame Shannon. The logical link is to put the blame on Norvell.
Perhaps Mike was willing to do the same thing that you're claiming not to do now and that is blame Randy.
Mike is certainly not going to fire Randy now, at this point in time in the year. So I guess we'll just have to wait and see after the season whether or not he thinks Randy can handle ALL The responsibilities of his position.
Money talks....that's it and that's all. We've had a bunch of recruits that spurned us at the last minute and not all were LB's. Best believe if they gave Randy a bag he'd have majority of those kids.
Recruiting means nothing. As long as you can take a three star and develop him into a 4-5 star that’s all that matters. If your a great developer and just a so so recruiter that’s a thousand times better then being a great recruiter and a shit developer.
Shannon has been an issue for over a year recruiting wise if not 2 years obv I want the problem solved but nope it rears its ugly head again...find a new lb coach its so obvious but Norvell is going to let it go yet again because he can coach
He probably got sick of all the whinging from FSU last year.
It’s the summer hate when yall start whining in freaking July
We have a terrible scheme for LB 5-2-4
Randy was fine at UM. don't think the problem is him.
Everybody calm down...its recruiting...you miss sometimes...its still early, people will flip to us and from us...Care about winning not recruiting battles with kids...the team just won 13 games...trust this staff...stop whining
Bro stop blaming and picking on Miami...
Nah fuck Miami
That's all they got
He’s right , ultimately it falls on the entire staff .
At some point Mike has to make an example out of a few coaches.... Nick Saban would never except this kind of subpar recruiting.
New lb coach please. Put erine sims in there