I wanted to delve into the gay question. This movie has a female hero who does not have a love interest but her closest friendship is with another woman. That's not a gay thing at all but it is really really unusual for an American movie.
@@alexpierssebastian384 as of love and thunder (which i can't remember if it came out before your comment), Carol is confirmed (or at least highly implied) to be bisexual.
Stan's last cameo is in Endgame. He filmed several scenes all close together so they had a few remaining when he passed just before Captain Marvel was released.
Something about the "acting" complaints is that for most of the movie, the character didn't know who she was. The Kree were trying to shape her personality in a more stoic direction, but the more she remembered, the more her personality shone through.
But that's the thing, her fake stoic personality feels more natural on screen in a bizarre way than her "real" humourous and snarky self. It should've been the opposite.
@@Thed538dhsk And she ends up shining when doing neither and instead simply having human interactions with her best friend and the Skrulls (after waking up from brainwashing). She sells the compassionate and caring, almost motherly, character so well that the other two parts of her seem like fake layers that she puts up to deal with different situations: Stoic badass to fit in with Jude Law and snarky smartass to be confident around strangers (Fury, the bad guys, etc). It could work very well if it was indeed what her character was supposed to be like.
@@Thed538dhsk I don't know, I feel like they're going to double down on forced awkward humour in the sequel, it just seems to be a modern trend with Marvel.
@@Thed538dhsk I said modern trend. Just look at Phase 4. Moon Knight, WandaVision, and MoM seem to be the only projects that are more on a serious side. Everything else is filled with silly jokes, way more than any film in Phase 1. Even NWH got serious only in a second half of the movie and had quite a handful of dumb unfunny jokes or literal meme quotes.
Caleb, the last Stan Lee cameo that he shot was for Endgame cause that was filmed in 2017. Also that security guy is Barry who's the head of security at Marvel
YES. Best friends don't have to be romantically involved with every person in the world to be a family. Especially military groups who tend to form binds because the are away from the society and norms that they were raised with. Respectfully, There can be more sides than you seem to give the story credit for.
Also, it is mentioned that Rambeau and Danvers were the only two women on that base, so they bonded over that and the fact that Captain Danvers doesn't get along with her blood family. (Shrugs.)
Also add that Carol is straight in the comic’s and coupled to Roddy(War Machine). Actual comic fans would be pissed about messing with that massive storyline.
@@kennethsmith6367 Only if they're idiots. Cap's been around a long time, and her getting with Rhodey is recent. I wouldn't expect anyone who thinks his name is Roddy to know how actual fans would feel.
Horribly under appreciated movie, and an under appreciated performance from Brie Larson. I particularly love her and Fury's dynamic, and the fact that the final scene between the two of them grounds the "Captain Marvel" name in this goofy, charming little moment between friends. Just a dope movie.
This doesn't get mentioned in the film specifically I like how Captain Danvers even though she lost her memory when that happens to people (in rare instances) one doesn't lose their personality, their reactions to aspects are still there, they just cannot recall people or events.
In terms of Carol and Maria, they were not a romantic couple, they were best friends and I don't think it was supposed to be "bait" situation. They were roommates in the air force, but Carol didn't live with Maria and Monica at their house. She was a family friend or considered a part of the family for sure. Traditionally, Carol is straight in the comics. The original Captain Marvel aka Walter Lawson was a male kree who Carol was in a relationship with and who originally gave her her powers. Obviously for this movie the OG Captain Marvel was turned into a woman named Wendy Lawson and she took on a mentor role for Carol instead. In recent comics I believe they've explored her possibly being bisexual. Although I hear recently she's been in a relationship with Rhodey. Regardless, it's very possible and I kind of have a feeling they'll probably pair Carol up with a woman in the future in the MCU. With Maria, I for one am happy to see more female friendships that don't develop into a romantic relationship because it gets incredibly annoying to see that happen over and over again. I love a good romance, but I also want to see friendships celebrated as well.
So glad you're doing this. Far too many people who call themselves MCU fans ripped on this. This movie is easily in my top 5. Great storytelling, a great mix of comedy and drama, and a very important character that needed to be introduced as she's far more powerful than any character we had seen so far depicted in the MCU. From a 35+ year comic book collector, this is an amazing movie.
I've never picked up queer vibes from Carol and Maria; the vibes felt more like sisters/besties vibes. Honestly, romantic relationships could work better if there was a basis of friendship. edit: GOOSE FTW!!
I felt like the symbology of the neck implant was an analogy of women's power. Taught to be thankful for being "given" power when what was given was an inhibitor instead. Removing the inhibitor and loosing the power innate.
yes, the marvel intro was dedicated to Stan Lee because this the 1st movie to come out after his death, and this is his the last cameo he shot..but he had one in Avengers Endgame..it was shot first before this film..because Infinity War and Endgame were shot back-to-back..even Brie shot all her scenes in Endgame before she even shot this film.. happy that you enjoyed it..i really liked it too..nice reaction..
Fun fact: The script that Stan Lee's reading is "Mallrats" written and directed by "Dogma" director Kevin Smith which was made in the Mid Nineties, it was one of Stan Lee's first non Marvel related cameos.
You know after rewatching this movie a second time before your reaction, I don't think it's that bad. It's not my favorite of the MCU movies but it had a few moments. Though I absolutely can't wait for you guys to watch Endgame next!
It’s a little rough around the edges but no rougher than the early MCU movies. Unfortunately this is around the time Marvel started making their movies focused on future projects rather than the story the movie was about, and a lot of this movie’s 3rd act suffers from that. It’s still good imo. 7/10
People overhated this movie and didn’t even give it a chance. Even before it came out I remember there was an extreme hatred for Bree larson that people were taking out on the movie. People are weird and have nothing better to do but spread negativity. Is it flawed? Sure. Is it basic? Sure. But people were calling it the worse movie ever. And acting like it was the workest thing in history. It wasn’t that bad at all.
@@TheIcemanthomas eh, a lot of that negativity is on Larson's head. When you tell most your demographic you don't care about their patronage, it's not fair to blame them when they write off your movie.
I think part of the ...discombobulation... with the character of Carol, is that she's been told not to be emotional, to suppress it. So she struggles with what she's been told...believed for the last 6 years.
The character of Captain Marvel to me has such a fascinating origin. I may be missing some details but essentially it was a comic from the 30’s/40’s that rivaled Superman (the character was similar to Superman). Then through a lawsuit the company that published had to stop publishing and the original character was purchased by DC. In the 60’s Marvel got the rights to the name to create the character that eventually became the one from this movie. DC eventually changed the original Captain Marvel characters name to Shazam.
@@SchulzEricT it’s one of the most convoluted and kind of fascinating stories of a super hero names I’ve ever read and I tried to simplify it as much as I could. However, I read that in 2011 DC did officially change the characters name to Shazam. Even the movie that came out in 2019 the actor that plays the adult super hero the kid transforms into when saying the magic words Shazam, is credited as Shazam.
@@SchulzEricT now that you mention it..it’s not really clear in anything I read how exactly Marvel was able to just claim the rights to the name lol. Just that they had to publish the character every so often to maintain the rights. DC must have not cared that much I guess? Cause I’d have been annoyed and said no way they have a right to just take a characters name that we own.
Pick a side??? The character's sexuality was never alluded to in this movie, nor did it need to be. Just because a female lead lacks a romantic counterpart, does not make her gay. I don't think the character is (from the comics), but whether she is or isn't didn't matter for this story. As far as Larson's acting, I thought it was consistent with the character, a "warrior" with a foggy memory. Looking forward to your Endgame reaction.
In the comics, Carol is straight, at least in the ones I read. Her dating life is a source of frustration for her. But there have been multiple Captain Marvels, and at least one of them was bi (iirc). The movies may be combining aspects from other people who have worn that title into MCU Carol Danvers. Frankly, that's fine by me. I see it as homage to all who've had that title, and I want people to feel represented. Jen Walters is aggressively hetero, but more importantly her show "acknowledged" that the MCU has been a bit light in the romance department, particularly for non-hetero couples. I've spent a few years defending Brie's portrayal of Carol from people complaining about her "acting." Brie is a fine actor; Carol is difficult to play because of the attitude of the character. She's rather stoic, and when she DOES express emotion, it is often anger. Brie played Carol almost exactly how Carol is in the comics. There's a line from one of her writers that sums her up pretty well (paraphrased): "Steve Rogers gets knocked down, and he gets up because it's the right thing to do. Carol gets knocked down and gets back up because 'fuck you!,' that's why."
@@Aeronixable exactly..."for no reason" given to you by anything in this movie. What was it that made it romantic? - Was it the way they DIDN'T embrace each other longingly with soft caresses and tender touches? -or Was it the way the daughter called Carol "auntie" instead of "mom" like a significant other would be called? This movie portrayed their relationship with zero romantic connections, not even hints of it. Even if Carol was gay (she's not), I didn't feel any romance between her and Maria...because no reason.
@@Aeronixable We know that she wasn’t gay and nothing in this movie portrayed her as gay. There’s gay marvel characters, she’s just not one of them.🤷🏾♂️
people hated on this moviei before it even dropped. well a particular crowd did. it was a solid entry especially for a characters first movie... thor, captain america: first avenger, and hulk weren't the greatest. this was a good movie.
I would agree with Hulk but First Avenger and Thor are iconic to me and I wouldn't compare those to a mid Captain Marvel. I would compare Cap Marvel with Iron Man 3.
14:30 “Door scratch on floor” Frequently, a yellow stripe is painted on the floor to demarcate the path/space occupied when the door is in motion. This is meant to improve safety. This would be especially true in govt/military facilities. :-)
My wife and I loved this movie. Yes we saw it on vacation and the 90s soundtrack so there's a rose colored tinge but I think it holds up. In my top 3 for MCU.
i absolutely loved this film. hearing the negative reviews was disheartening esp when major complaints were "She was too cocky" like Tony and Dr. Strange arent cocky??? lol but so glad yall enjoyed this one! also yes...Maria and Carol DEF had some lez be tronics in their relationship! I know it!! i got eyes!! lol
Well, the whole point of Tony and Strange's movies was for them to stop being cocky and be more humble. It was presented as their flaw that nearly cost them their life. Carol on the other hand goes the other way around, from humble but misguided to aware but cocky. But IMO even that could've worked if the direction was better. You can be cocky and charismatic after all, It all depends on how the actor pulls it off and the lines they're delivering. And something about the movie made Carol look like she was pretending to be cocky and snarky to fit in with the boys instead of genuinely being that. You know, kinda like Justin Hammer wanted to copy Tony's style and mannerisms but being very awkward instead.
@@bloodymares Also with Tony and Strange, they have the charisma to make you like them. Moreso Strange than Tony, which is why Strange doesn't work as well, imo. Tony's the cocky ass you enjoy watching. Carol was just a cocky ass. If Tony shot the jukebox to prove something, he would have made some flippant comment about it, or the fact he just destroyed someone elses property to make a point. Carol just stares at Fury like, "Yeah. I can do that." I think Carol suffers cause she's a personification of the theme, rather than a character in her own right. Women are stronger than the patriarchy wants you to believe. While yeah, that's a true statement, you don't need to be so ham fisted with it. It's also not incorporated the best, anyway. Like when she has the fight scene with No Doubt playing. On top of being way too on the nose, it doesn't even make sense, since one of the characters she's fighting is a girl. If they were all men it would have at least stayed on topic.
@@Eidlones the character can work as a personification of a theme if they have something else going on as well that makes them relatable. I just yesterday watched Justice League vs Fatal Five and the main character follows the same trope (character arc = theme) but I felt like it was done better, the character felt like a real relatable and likeable person (well, mostly). Carol on the other hand lacked scenes that showcased multiple sides to her personality other than "Smartass Terminator that always stands up and keeps fighting and cracks a smile once or twice". Like, who is Carol Danvers if you take away her powers and her pilot / space trooper backstory? I honestly don't know.
@TheDCbiz I'm not gonna push against that much, but Steve did still make jokes, and was charismatic (tho not in the same way, obviously). She hasn't really shown to have that charisma underneath it all, though. I mean she could, but nothing's really shown that it is there.
Believe it or not, Brie Larson's portrayal of Carol Danvers was spot on! The character is just like that in the comics and video games. 🤔 PS. Best friends sometimes do live together without being gay.
"Carol" may not be a typical superhero name, but in the comics, Carol was not originally the hero. The "Captain Marvel" of the 1968 series was a MALE Mar-Vell (alias Walter Lawson) who was on a Kree scouting mission and started questioning his orders to infiltrate the humans in case we go to war with them. Carol was the NASA security chief who asked too many questions (but was also a potential ally and a potential love interest). Yon-Rogg was Mar-Vell's commanding officer (and there was a love triangle aboard ship, with them both interested in the lady Medic, named "Una', coincidentally) and he was a one-dimensional bad guy. This Yon-Rogg is *such* an upgrade. Eventually, Carol was exposed to Kree radiation in an explosion that killed Yon-Rogg (who was trying to kill Mar-Vell) and years later manifested super powers. But they really had no idea what to do with Mar-Vell, so they just ran him out there once a year to keep the copyright active (wouldn't want DC to start publishing "Captain Marvel" comics…especially as DC had acquired the rights to the "Shazam" guy, who was also called "Captain Marvel" decades before. [It was his original publisher going out of business that gave Marvel the opportunity to grab the name]) and eventually they gave the series to the new kid who had just arrived from Detroit (Jim Starlin) and said, "see what you can do with this". And Jim was like, well, I do have an idea for this really cool villain named "Thanos"… And then Carol went through a bunch of superheroic identities, and even though Starlin retired Mar-Vell, the company still wanted to keep the name active. So they had various other "Captain Marvel" characters until somebody figured out they should put Carol in the suit, given she went back to the very begininng of the character. A lot of the hate for this one comes from a few factors: conservatives didn't like making a new character the big hero (it was assumed Carol would save the day, since Mar-Vell had been Thanos's greatest foe in the comics), particularly because it was a woman and particularly because Brie Larson is pretty outspoken politically. And, well…it's not just this film. There's a certain amount of suspicion that Brie prefers girls IRL. (The best story I ever heard was that when Brie won her Oscar, she showed up at the big after-party stoned on mushrooms and tried to get Taylor Swift [also heavily-suspected] to share her plate [and who knows what else…], but Taylor just wanted to hang with her model pals instead of the hippie chick.) So some of the guys out there just didn't like Brie, period. Other's weren't too thrilled with the "Nick Fury's big secret is a CAT??" deal or Nick naming the Avengers after Carol. But just looked at as a film, I think this is fine. And, of course, some fans were just sick of waiting for "Endgame". But you don't have that problem…
I guess the hair thing in this movie is distracting, but it's just as bad where guys are the protagonists. Especially in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', where Cap takes his helmet off to fight Batroc and his hair is perfect. In real life, Steve's hair would be all sweaty and pressed to his forehead in the front while the back's standing up like Alfalfa from the Little Rascals! Who wants to see that? Nobody, that's who. I'd ask for my money back.
Captain Marvel just has a lot of female friends but there's never been an instance of her being a lesbian. Maybe that will change in the MCU at some point in the future but nothing so far. Not even in the comics. Maria Rambeau never existed in the comics but her daughter Monica did. Marvel has some gay characters but she's just not one of them.
OMG what a fun change of pace to record this reaction with your good friend, LEVITICUS MOTHOTHEW❤❤ He seems very fun. Hope you react to more things with him in the future!
Meg. It’s my understanding that curlers, and curling irons, exist to empower women with straighter hair with the ability to induce curls that exist naturally in other women’s hair. Women who have naturally curly or wavy hair don’t need curling irons because their hair naturally retains the curl due to the shape of each strand. Such a woman would retain her curls post battle and re-entry.
My brother had a very similar friendship to a guy for many years. He's bi, but I never learned of any relationship beyond friendship. It's certainly possible they hadn't been romantically involved, even if they fit so many tropes. Though one important thing to consider is that this took place in the mid 90's. Even today in some places, it's very risky to be "out"; but especially back then, it had been pretty mainstream to be judgmental of queer folk. Any hint of queerness had been considered a hilarious joke in many popular television garbages, and they often even portrayed a reaction of literal physical violence. If they opted to have a gay relationship, but keep it subtle and unconfirmed, it's likely a reasonable representation. It's not brave, and maybe that's okay. It at least left room for discussion.
Funny you guys mentioned Brie's acting and in particular smirking. I have vague recollections that this was asked of someone (Brie or the director?) and they said that yes, some stuff was filmed early before they really worked out the character's personality; I think it included an End Game scenes, which released later. I do also agree that maybe she was trying too hard at times, but given how a big plot point was that she was repeatedly told to suppress her emotions, she was too emotional to succeed, etc., I can see her trying or being directed to act 'more' to emphasize the contrast.
Honestly I think a lot of the interviews and media coverage along with what was going on in the comics and sequel fatigue kind of killed this movie before it aired. Plus I don't think she's the best character to have in the MCU. She kind of lacks the flaws of the other characters and she's too powerful to make up for that with the underdog thing characters like Hawkeye have.
Yup. Her movie sends a good message (emotions make you human), which ironically is more powerful for men than women, but aside from that message we don't really get to have a grasp of what defines Carol as a person and why we should be excited to see more of her.
Love your MCU reactions as always. My feeling was similar -- I appreciated a lot of what the movie was going for thematically, but something was "off" about the humor. I love the idea of Captain Marvel but I feel like the directors and writers don't really know who she is as a character and it unfortunately shows. Lashana Lynch was incredible as Monica and did so much work as the emotional core of the movie. Also, low-key, I think this is one of the best MCU scores. The composer is Pinar Toprak, and she did a wonderful job marrying super synthy sounds with epic orchestral instruments. th-cam.com/video/BmUlamPi0Ko/w-d-xo.html
I honestly don't think they were going for a gay relationship between Carol and Maria. I didn't get that at all. They always appeared to me to just be best friends. Carol helps with Monica and they call her auntie. It would be cool if they were an item, but I don't think that's what they were going for. I think you guys are probably mistaken.
I always enjoyed this movie and while I didn't get the same forced/humor vibe you did, I can understand it. But maybe she'll grow into the role in a way that will feel more natural. I had seen her before this in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and loved her in it. As always, love your reactions and seeing you vibe together to the insanity in these Marvel movies. RIP Stan Lee!! ❤ Oh, I totally understand when you say "as queer people, we just want to see it." I initially thought that she was in a relationship with Maria and at the time appreciated that they DIDN'T feel the need to spell it out, but I totally get the desire for "some sort of confirmation." I totally agree with that. Pick a side Marvel, indeed 🙂
I loved Carol and her story and Brie Larson is an amazing actress, the problems that this movie has is in the direction and script, but for me it's good i enjoyed a lot in the cinema and each time i have the chance of watch it again. About the queer stuff i've seen more tension between Bucky and Steve during Captain America trilogy, i guess here the directors are playing with queerbait like always, but i don't see more interest in show us more of the Carol and Maria dynamic.
I’ve only seen this once when it came out and never again, it’s not one of my favorite MCU movies by any means it definitely has its flaws but I found this to be more entertaining then Thor The Dark World for example but that’s mostly cause I loved the twist on the Skrulls and young Nick Fury, I found captain marvel to be the least interesting part of the movie which probably isn’t a good thing when you’re the lead. I know a lot of people around the time when this was announced and coming out felt Brie Larson was miscast for the role and she didn’t exactly help her case labeling all criticism constructive or not as sexist and misogynistic, it made a lot of marvel fans turn against her forsure but I’m curious to see what you’ll think of Carol in Endgame and future projects, if you check out any of her comics I’d recommend some around her time as Ms. Marvel and right around when she first is renamed captain marvel the original 1977 run of Ms Marvel is nostalgic and the 2006 run best of the best is a pretty good one in my opinion
this movie clearly suffered from a ton of production problems/script changes/tone disagreements/etc but rewatching it later on its just a fun and easy watch also: from what ive been hearing about the future of the character, carol is in fact gay. not too sure about maria though but probably not
Honestly I think Carol and Rambo track way more as girlfriends in the original script that they "roomated" later down the line for fear of people taking it poorly where as Bucky and Steve never read as romantic to me at all, its hard to explain the differences for me but its kinda just a vibe thing I guess. I am also a gay gal so I might just see signals between two women more then between two men I guess.
I wanted to delve into the gay question. This movie has a female hero who does not have a love interest but her closest friendship is with another woman. That's not a gay thing at all but it is really really unusual for an American movie.
@TheDCbiz They want to make Carol bisexual with Spider-Woman aka Jessica Drew (best friend) in the comics
No Captain Marvel is straight and they are just best friends
@@Thed538dhskbut why be disappointed that there isn't a queer relationship, and them just being really close friends?
I myself read Carol and Maria as represented in this movie as “gal pals”, queer, but deniable.
@@alexpierssebastian384 as of love and thunder (which i can't remember if it came out before your comment), Carol is confirmed (or at least highly implied) to be bisexual.
Stan's last cameo is in Endgame. He filmed several scenes all close together so they had a few remaining when he passed just before Captain Marvel was released.
Something about the "acting" complaints is that for most of the movie, the character didn't know who she was. The Kree were trying to shape her personality in a more stoic direction, but the more she remembered, the more her personality shone through.
But that's the thing, her fake stoic personality feels more natural on screen in a bizarre way than her "real" humourous and snarky self. It should've been the opposite.
@@Thed538dhsk And she ends up shining when doing neither and instead simply having human interactions with her best friend and the Skrulls (after waking up from brainwashing). She sells the compassionate and caring, almost motherly, character so well that the other two parts of her seem like fake layers that she puts up to deal with different situations: Stoic badass to fit in with Jude Law and snarky smartass to be confident around strangers (Fury, the bad guys, etc). It could work very well if it was indeed what her character was supposed to be like.
Yes!!!
@@Thed538dhsk I don't know, I feel like they're going to double down on forced awkward humour in the sequel, it just seems to be a modern trend with Marvel.
@@Thed538dhsk I said modern trend. Just look at Phase 4. Moon Knight, WandaVision, and MoM seem to be the only projects that are more on a serious side. Everything else is filled with silly jokes, way more than any film in Phase 1. Even NWH got serious only in a second half of the movie and had quite a handful of dumb unfunny jokes or literal meme quotes.
Caleb, the last Stan Lee cameo that he shot was for Endgame cause that was filmed in 2017. Also that security guy is Barry who's the head of security at Marvel
I didn't know about the Barry cameo. Thanks for that.
Oh sweet!!! Thanks for letting me know
YES. Best friends don't have to be romantically involved with every person in the world to be a family. Especially military groups who tend to form binds because the are away from the society and norms that they were raised with. Respectfully, There can be more sides than you seem to give the story credit for.
Also, it is mentioned that Rambeau and Danvers were the only two women on that base, so they bonded over that and the fact that Captain Danvers doesn't get along with her blood family. (Shrugs.)
Maria and Carol being lovers would lead to a pretty tragic ending to a love story too
Also add that Carol is straight in the comic’s and coupled to Roddy(War Machine). Actual comic fans would be pissed about messing with that massive storyline.
@@kennethsmith6367 Only if they're idiots. Cap's been around a long time, and her getting with Rhodey is recent. I wouldn't expect anyone who thinks his name is Roddy to know how actual fans would feel.
Korath was in the first Guardians movie when Star-Lord introduced himself and he was like Who ???
Horribly under appreciated movie, and an under appreciated performance from Brie Larson. I particularly love her and Fury's dynamic, and the fact that the final scene between the two of them grounds the "Captain Marvel" name in this goofy, charming little moment between friends.
Just a dope movie.
There’s nothing memorable about this movie , not a single scene
If you want to see Bree Larson in a comedy, you should watch Scott Pilgrim vs the World
Aw heck yeah.
AMAZING flick
27:29 - Her first appearance in the comics was in the 1960s, when the name was likely not so "elderly".
This doesn't get mentioned in the film specifically I like how Captain Danvers even though she lost her memory when that happens to people (in rare instances) one doesn't lose their personality, their reactions to aspects are still there, they just cannot recall people or events.
In terms of Carol and Maria, they were not a romantic couple, they were best friends and I don't think it was supposed to be "bait" situation. They were roommates in the air force, but Carol didn't live with Maria and Monica at their house. She was a family friend or considered a part of the family for sure.
Traditionally, Carol is straight in the comics. The original Captain Marvel aka Walter Lawson was a male kree who Carol was in a relationship with and who originally gave her her powers. Obviously for this movie the OG Captain Marvel was turned into a woman named Wendy Lawson and she took on a mentor role for Carol instead. In recent comics I believe they've explored her possibly being bisexual. Although I hear recently she's been in a relationship with Rhodey.
Regardless, it's very possible and I kind of have a feeling they'll probably pair Carol up with a woman in the future in the MCU. With Maria, I for one am happy to see more female friendships that don't develop into a romantic relationship because it gets incredibly annoying to see that happen over and over again. I love a good romance, but I also want to see friendships celebrated as well.
So glad you're doing this. Far too many people who call themselves MCU fans ripped on this. This movie is easily in my top 5. Great storytelling, a great mix of comedy and drama, and a very important character that needed to be introduced as she's far more powerful than any character we had seen so far depicted in the MCU. From a 35+ year comic book collector, this is an amazing movie.
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I've never picked up queer vibes from Carol and Maria; the vibes felt more like sisters/besties vibes. Honestly, romantic relationships could work better if there was a basis of friendship.
edit: GOOSE FTW!!
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I felt like the symbology of the neck implant was an analogy of women's power. Taught to be thankful for being "given" power when what was given was an inhibitor instead. Removing the inhibitor and loosing the power innate.
@@eq1373 What a compelling argument.
yes, the marvel intro was dedicated to Stan Lee because this the 1st movie to come out after his death, and this is his the last cameo he shot..but he had one in Avengers Endgame..it was shot first before this film..because Infinity War and Endgame were shot back-to-back..even Brie shot all her scenes in Endgame before she even shot this film..
happy that you enjoyed it..i really liked it too..nice reaction..
Fun fact: The script that Stan Lee's reading is "Mallrats" written and directed by "Dogma" director Kevin Smith which was made in the Mid Nineties, it was one of Stan Lee's first non Marvel related cameos.
You know after rewatching this movie a second time before your reaction, I don't think it's that bad. It's not my favorite of the MCU movies but it had a few moments. Though I absolutely can't wait for you guys to watch Endgame next!
It’s a little rough around the edges but no rougher than the early MCU movies. Unfortunately this is around the time Marvel started making their movies focused on future projects rather than the story the movie was about, and a lot of this movie’s 3rd act suffers from that. It’s still good imo. 7/10
@@aceynator True. And yeah I would agree and give it about a 7/10 overall too
People overhated this movie and didn’t even give it a chance. Even before it came out I remember there was an extreme hatred for Bree larson that people were taking out on the movie. People are weird and have nothing better to do but spread negativity. Is it flawed? Sure. Is it basic? Sure. But people were calling it the worse movie ever. And acting like it was the workest thing in history. It wasn’t that bad at all.
@@TheIcemanthomas eh, a lot of that negativity is on Larson's head. When you tell most your demographic you don't care about their patronage, it's not fair to blame them when they write off your movie.
Ant Man and The Wasp is next.
There's one more cameo by Stan, but that's the goodbye for him. R.I.P. Stan the Man
I think part of the ...discombobulation... with the character of Carol, is that she's been told not to be emotional, to suppress it. So she struggles with what she's been told...believed for the last 6 years.
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The character of Captain Marvel to me has such a fascinating origin. I may be missing some details but essentially it was a comic from the 30’s/40’s that rivaled Superman (the character was similar to Superman). Then through a lawsuit the company that published had to stop publishing and the original character was purchased by DC. In the 60’s Marvel got the rights to the name to create the character that eventually became the one from this movie. DC eventually changed the original Captain Marvel characters name to Shazam.
@@SchulzEricT it’s one of the most convoluted and kind of fascinating stories of a super hero names I’ve ever read and I tried to simplify it as much as I could. However, I read that in 2011 DC did officially change the characters name to Shazam. Even the movie that came out in 2019 the actor that plays the adult super hero the kid transforms into when saying the magic words Shazam, is credited as Shazam.
@@SchulzEricT now that you mention it..it’s not really clear in anything I read how exactly Marvel was able to just claim the rights to the name lol. Just that they had to publish the character every so often to maintain the rights. DC must have not cared that much I guess? Cause I’d have been annoyed and said no way they have a right to just take a characters name that we own.
Pick a side??? The character's sexuality was never alluded to in this movie, nor did it need to be. Just because a female lead lacks a romantic counterpart, does not make her gay. I don't think the character is (from the comics), but whether she is or isn't didn't matter for this story. As far as Larson's acting, I thought it was consistent with the character, a "warrior" with a foggy memory.
Looking forward to your Endgame reaction.
no but I agree their relationship did feel a lot like a romantic one for no reason
In the comics, Carol is straight, at least in the ones I read. Her dating life is a source of frustration for her. But there have been multiple Captain Marvels, and at least one of them was bi (iirc). The movies may be combining aspects from other people who have worn that title into MCU Carol Danvers.
Frankly, that's fine by me. I see it as homage to all who've had that title, and I want people to feel represented. Jen Walters is aggressively hetero, but more importantly her show "acknowledged" that the MCU has been a bit light in the romance department, particularly for non-hetero couples.
I've spent a few years defending Brie's portrayal of Carol from people complaining about her "acting." Brie is a fine actor; Carol is difficult to play because of the attitude of the character. She's rather stoic, and when she DOES express emotion, it is often anger. Brie played Carol almost exactly how Carol is in the comics. There's a line from one of her writers that sums her up pretty well (paraphrased): "Steve Rogers gets knocked down, and he gets up because it's the right thing to do. Carol gets knocked down and gets back up because 'fuck you!,' that's why."
@@Aeronixable exactly..."for no reason" given to you by anything in this movie.
What was it that made it romantic?
- Was it the way they DIDN'T embrace each other longingly with soft caresses and tender touches?
-or Was it the way the daughter called Carol "auntie" instead of "mom" like a significant other would be called?
This movie portrayed their relationship with zero romantic connections, not even hints of it. Even if Carol was gay (she's not), I didn't feel any romance between her and Maria...because no reason.
@@curtquinlan9870 you wouldn't get it
@@Aeronixable We know that she wasn’t gay and nothing in this movie portrayed her as gay. There’s gay marvel characters, she’s just not one of them.🤷🏾♂️
people hated on this moviei before it even dropped. well a particular crowd did. it was a solid entry especially for a characters first movie... thor, captain america: first avenger, and hulk weren't the greatest. this was a good movie.
I would agree with Hulk but First Avenger and Thor are iconic to me and I wouldn't compare those to a mid Captain Marvel. I would compare Cap Marvel with Iron Man 3.
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“Door scratch on floor”
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No matter how many times I watch the scene where she falls but gets back up I still cry a bit.
Yup. Me too.
My wife and I loved this movie. Yes we saw it on vacation and the 90s soundtrack so there's a rose colored tinge but I think it holds up. In my top 3 for MCU.
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i absolutely loved this film. hearing the negative reviews was disheartening esp when major complaints were "She was too cocky" like Tony and Dr. Strange arent cocky??? lol but so glad yall enjoyed this one! also yes...Maria and Carol DEF had some lez be tronics in their relationship! I know it!! i got eyes!! lol
Well, the whole point of Tony and Strange's movies was for them to stop being cocky and be more humble. It was presented as their flaw that nearly cost them their life. Carol on the other hand goes the other way around, from humble but misguided to aware but cocky.
But IMO even that could've worked if the direction was better. You can be cocky and charismatic after all, It all depends on how the actor pulls it off and the lines they're delivering. And something about the movie made Carol look like she was pretending to be cocky and snarky to fit in with the boys instead of genuinely being that. You know, kinda like Justin Hammer wanted to copy Tony's style and mannerisms but being very awkward instead.
@@bloodymares Also with Tony and Strange, they have the charisma to make you like them. Moreso Strange than Tony, which is why Strange doesn't work as well, imo. Tony's the cocky ass you enjoy watching. Carol was just a cocky ass.
If Tony shot the jukebox to prove something, he would have made some flippant comment about it, or the fact he just destroyed someone elses property to make a point. Carol just stares at Fury like, "Yeah. I can do that."
I think Carol suffers cause she's a personification of the theme, rather than a character in her own right. Women are stronger than the patriarchy wants you to believe. While yeah, that's a true statement, you don't need to be so ham fisted with it.
It's also not incorporated the best, anyway. Like when she has the fight scene with No Doubt playing. On top of being way too on the nose, it doesn't even make sense, since one of the characters she's fighting is a girl. If they were all men it would have at least stayed on topic.
@@Eidlones the character can work as a personification of a theme if they have something else going on as well that makes them relatable. I just yesterday watched Justice League vs Fatal Five and the main character follows the same trope (character arc = theme) but I felt like it was done better, the character felt like a real relatable and likeable person (well, mostly). Carol on the other hand lacked scenes that showcased multiple sides to her personality other than "Smartass Terminator that always stands up and keeps fighting and cracks a smile once or twice". Like, who is Carol Danvers if you take away her powers and her pilot / space trooper backstory? I honestly don't know.
@TheDCbiz I'm not gonna push against that much, but Steve did still make jokes, and was charismatic (tho not in the same way, obviously). She hasn't really shown to have that charisma underneath it all, though. I mean she could, but nothing's really shown that it is there.
My hair actually gets curlier the more messy my hair is...
This. Curls only fall out if your hair isn't naturally curly/wavy.
I cannot wait to see your reactions to Endgame!!! It's probably my favorite movie experience of all time
Believe it or not, Brie Larson's portrayal of Carol Danvers was spot on! The character is just like that in the comics and video games. 🤔
PS. Best friends sometimes do live together without being gay.
don't think that was a good decision given how bad her sales are. Especially since this was on the heels of civil war 2.
She only became this way in her Captain Marvel era. She wasn't like that when she was still Ms Marvel, back when comic readers used to love Carol.
"Carol" may not be a typical superhero name, but in the comics, Carol was not originally the hero. The "Captain Marvel" of the 1968 series was a MALE Mar-Vell (alias Walter Lawson) who was on a Kree scouting mission and started questioning his orders to infiltrate the humans in case we go to war with them. Carol was the NASA security chief who asked too many questions (but was also a potential ally and a potential love interest).
Yon-Rogg was Mar-Vell's commanding officer (and there was a love triangle aboard ship, with them both interested in the lady Medic, named "Una', coincidentally) and he was a one-dimensional bad guy. This Yon-Rogg is *such* an upgrade.
Eventually, Carol was exposed to Kree radiation in an explosion that killed Yon-Rogg (who was trying to kill Mar-Vell) and years later manifested super powers. But they really had no idea what to do with Mar-Vell, so they just ran him out there once a year to keep the copyright active (wouldn't want DC to start publishing "Captain Marvel" comics…especially as DC had acquired the rights to the "Shazam" guy, who was also called "Captain Marvel" decades before. [It was his original publisher going out of business that gave Marvel the opportunity to grab the name]) and eventually they gave the series to the new kid who had just arrived from Detroit (Jim Starlin) and said, "see what you can do with this". And Jim was like, well, I do have an idea for this really cool villain named "Thanos"…
And then Carol went through a bunch of superheroic identities, and even though Starlin retired Mar-Vell, the company still wanted to keep the name active. So they had various other "Captain Marvel" characters until somebody figured out they should put Carol in the suit, given she went back to the very begininng of the character.
A lot of the hate for this one comes from a few factors: conservatives didn't like making a new character the big hero (it was assumed Carol would save the day, since Mar-Vell had been Thanos's greatest foe in the comics), particularly because it was a woman and particularly because Brie Larson is pretty outspoken politically.
And, well…it's not just this film. There's a certain amount of suspicion that Brie prefers girls IRL. (The best story I ever heard was that when Brie won her Oscar, she showed up at the big after-party stoned on mushrooms and tried to get Taylor Swift [also heavily-suspected] to share her plate [and who knows what else…], but Taylor just wanted to hang with her model pals instead of the hippie chick.) So some of the guys out there just didn't like Brie, period.
Other's weren't too thrilled with the "Nick Fury's big secret is a CAT??" deal or Nick naming the Avengers after Carol. But just looked at as a film, I think this is fine.
And, of course, some fans were just sick of waiting for "Endgame". But you don't have that problem…
I guess the hair thing in this movie is distracting, but it's just as bad where guys are the protagonists. Especially in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', where Cap takes his helmet off to fight Batroc and his hair is perfect. In real life, Steve's hair would be all sweaty and pressed to his forehead in the front while the back's standing up like Alfalfa from the Little Rascals!
Who wants to see that? Nobody, that's who. I'd ask for my money back.
Captain Marvel just has a lot of female friends but there's never been an instance of her being a lesbian. Maybe that will change in the MCU at some point in the future but nothing so far. Not even in the comics. Maria Rambeau never existed in the comics but her daughter Monica did. Marvel has some gay characters but she's just not one of them.
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It’s my understanding that curlers, and curling irons, exist to empower women with straighter hair with the ability to induce curls that exist naturally in other women’s hair.
Women who have naturally curly or wavy hair don’t need curling irons because their hair naturally retains the curl due to the shape of each strand. Such a woman would retain her curls post battle and re-entry.
That's not a natural curl. It's manually curled :) I promise! Her hair texture is clearly straight/wavy.
But the character might have wavy hair. Either way, everything is fake anyway. So it’s easy to disregard minor things.
They are distracting, though.
Nice! Yes, that is me.
They didn’t live together they were just friends
If you're looking for comic recommendations, the Kelly Sue Deconnik run of Captain Marvel is a great place to start.
y'all should see room it's a life changing experience hehe
So, your shirt is sick. I can't quite read the text. Is it a band name, and if so, what is it?
"Jambler" is my new word. 😆
Caleb, keep it together bro! Seeing Stan hits I know
I can’t, bro 😭 I’ll be stronger for you, Ned, I promise
@@shmayleb It got me too my first viewing
My brother had a very similar friendship to a guy for many years. He's bi, but I never learned of any relationship beyond friendship. It's certainly possible they hadn't been romantically involved, even if they fit so many tropes.
Though one important thing to consider is that this took place in the mid 90's. Even today in some places, it's very risky to be "out"; but especially back then, it had been pretty mainstream to be judgmental of queer folk. Any hint of queerness had been considered a hilarious joke in many popular television garbages, and they often even portrayed a reaction of literal physical violence. If they opted to have a gay relationship, but keep it subtle and unconfirmed, it's likely a reasonable representation. It's not brave, and maybe that's okay. It at least left room for discussion.
You should read her comic Captain Marvel (2019) issue #1. By Kelly Thompson
Funny you guys mentioned Brie's acting and in particular smirking. I have vague recollections that this was asked of someone (Brie or the director?) and they said that yes, some stuff was filmed early before they really worked out the character's personality; I think it included an End Game scenes, which released later. I do also agree that maybe she was trying too hard at times, but given how a big plot point was that she was repeatedly told to suppress her emotions, she was too emotional to succeed, etc., I can see her trying or being directed to act 'more' to emphasize the contrast.
Yes, her Endgame scenes were filmed before Captain Marvel, so she didn't really know the direction they'd be taking with the character yet.
I think black widow came out after endgame so you did not see every film from there release
Honestly I think a lot of the interviews and media coverage along with what was going on in the comics and sequel fatigue kind of killed this movie before it aired. Plus I don't think she's the best character to have in the MCU. She kind of lacks the flaws of the other characters and she's too powerful to make up for that with the underdog thing characters like Hawkeye have.
Yup. Her movie sends a good message (emotions make you human), which ironically is more powerful for men than women, but aside from that message we don't really get to have a grasp of what defines Carol as a person and why we should be excited to see more of her.
Well said. Forspoken and Captain Marvel have similar issues. Forced humor. But people dismiss them completely which I feel is unfair.
Next is Endgame
I liked her as Captain marvel the acting was ok
Love your MCU reactions as always. My feeling was similar -- I appreciated a lot of what the movie was going for thematically, but something was "off" about the humor. I love the idea of Captain Marvel but I feel like the directors and writers don't really know who she is as a character and it unfortunately shows. Lashana Lynch was incredible as Monica and did so much work as the emotional core of the movie.
Also, low-key, I think this is one of the best MCU scores. The composer is Pinar Toprak, and she did a wonderful job marrying super synthy sounds with epic orchestral instruments.
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I honestly don't think they were going for a gay relationship between Carol and Maria. I didn't get that at all. They always appeared to me to just be best friends. Carol helps with Monica and they call her auntie. It would be cool if they were an item, but I don't think that's what they were going for. I think you guys are probably mistaken.
I always enjoyed this movie and while I didn't get the same forced/humor vibe you did, I can understand it. But maybe she'll grow into the role in a way that will feel more natural. I had seen her before this in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World and loved her in it. As always, love your reactions and seeing you vibe together to the insanity in these Marvel movies. RIP Stan Lee!! ❤
Oh, I totally understand when you say "as queer people, we just want to see it." I initially thought that she was in a relationship with Maria and at the time appreciated that they DIDN'T feel the need to spell it out, but I totally get the desire for "some sort of confirmation." I totally agree with that. Pick a side Marvel, indeed 🙂
I loved Carol and her story and Brie Larson is an amazing actress, the problems that this movie has is in the direction and script, but for me it's good i enjoyed a lot in the cinema and each time i have the chance of watch it again. About the queer stuff i've seen more tension between Bucky and Steve during Captain America trilogy, i guess here the directors are playing with queerbait like always, but i don't see more interest in show us more of the Carol and Maria dynamic.
Hey please react to Attack on Titan! which is an anime about giants eating people.
I’ve only seen this once when it came out and never again, it’s not one of my favorite MCU movies by any means it definitely has its flaws but I found this to be more entertaining then Thor The Dark World for example but that’s mostly cause I loved the twist on the Skrulls and young Nick Fury, I found captain marvel to be the least interesting part of the movie which probably isn’t a good thing when you’re the lead. I know a lot of people around the time when this was announced and coming out felt Brie Larson was miscast for the role and she didn’t exactly help her case labeling all criticism constructive or not as sexist and misogynistic, it made a lot of marvel fans turn against her forsure but I’m curious to see what you’ll think of Carol in Endgame and future projects, if you check out any of her comics I’d recommend some around her time as Ms. Marvel and right around when she first is renamed captain marvel the original 1977 run of Ms Marvel is nostalgic and the 2006 run best of the best is a pretty good one in my opinion
this movie clearly suffered from a ton of production problems/script changes/tone disagreements/etc but rewatching it later on its just a fun and easy watch
also: from what ive been hearing about the future of the character, carol is in fact gay. not too sure about maria though but probably not
Monica and Carol smashed, confirmed. The political commentary on this movie is kinda spicy
19:40 they’re girlfriends IN MY HEART
I insist, Caleb was born with Tom Holland, same womb
I’m his older twin brother…somehow
Finally, first comment that I see with the same opinion of me. :)
The only thing I don’t like about this movie is her acting, I think it’s a bit stiff at time. Although besides that I really enjoy the story.
Honestly I think Carol and Rambo track way more as girlfriends in the original script that they "roomated" later down the line for fear of people taking it poorly where as Bucky and Steve never read as romantic to me at all, its hard to explain the differences for me but its kinda just a vibe thing I guess. I am also a gay gal so I might just see signals between two women more then between two men I guess.
@@Thed538dhsk i too am a bi man and i see more clearly as nothing more than just a strong benefited friendship
maria and carol are girlfriends. my source is that i made it the fuck up.
Carol and Maria were gay TO ME