Dr. Joy DeGruy on "Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome" and Learned Helplessness
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2022
- Dr. Joy DeGruy talks about the power of connecting with young people and how we win in this current climate. There is also a discussion about #Reparations. #PostTraumaticSlaveSyndrome #KarenHunterShow
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No matter how many times I hear the good Doctor DeGruy, I still want more. Thank you, Karen!
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Yes! Same!
Totally this, been in for well over a decade
I left America at 19, I'm from the projects in the South Bronx, I went to college in Rome and NEVER came back. Many of us are leaving going to Africa. Wherever you go anywhere is better than staying in the US
Dr. DeGruy is a life giver, because she says what needs to be said to set the record straight regarding our plight. Any thinking being in "The Hood" looks around and sees something is awry, something is underdeveloped, something has been skewed. And we also know that it's not entirely Black people's fault. This had to come from somewhere. Dr. Joy DeGruy looks beyond the effect and delves deeply into the cause. This is why she is a treasure, perhaps more than she even knows.
K.Hunter and Dr. Joy Degruy I commend you guys love what you do and what you bring to the table. Keep up the good work. Sankofor 🌍
As a social worker, Dr. DeGruy is one of my heroes. I have owned PTSS, quoted it, and have educated many folk for the decade that she has been on my radar.
Awesome Theresa 👌🏾
What do you say to a white person that says blacks havent been slaves in the last 155 years so how do blacks have PTSD?
PTSS is a justification for the dysfunctional behavior and the violence found in the black community . It's the result of generational trauma ,
( caused by slavery )being passed down to African Americans and excusing their violence in society . If this is true , then we must find the 5 black officers innocent for killing Tyre Nichols . After all aren't these 5 officers not responsible for their actions due to Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome .
@Steven Smith no, because thoughts and behaviors are different. No one can hold you responsible for your thoughts and emotions, that's why you get help in the form of therapy. But, society can, and does, absolutely hold you responsible for your behaviors. You're an adult. Adults don't act on every feeling they have when they have it.
Love love love Dr DeGruy her books should be a part of EVERY African’s library; especially if you have children ❤️🖤💚
I don't know how ya'll landed on my TH-cam feed, but I are am thrilled!!!!!.
You know this got to be the ancestors. I JUST finished seeing an infamous pic of Kanye and Candice wearing "white lives matter" shirts. *deep sigh* Then saw black high school football players participating in a mock slave auction. I was trying to find a words for what some of us were going thru. Post traumatic slave syndrome is what we going thru.
It’s a form of Stockholm syndrome according to some researchers.
My mother used the term "legacy of slavery."
When Dr. Degruy was talking about learned helplessness I can’t help but think of the door of no return. That’s where our learned helplessness started. 😢 Epigenetic
Professor Karen, you keep raising the bar and I am here for it. My mamma was an older mother and I was teased a lot growing up because my mamma was older. Having babies at a very young age was something that was praised when I was younger. Waiting until you are older to have a child was frowned upon Professor Karen. I love what Dr. DeGruy sound about learned helplessness. There are Black people who demonize another Black people for leaving the hood, it is seen as anti-Black. I see anti-Black as telling a Black person they should not better themselves is very anti-Black and these messages are coming directly from US. We criminalize each other for just doing better. Thank you Professor Karen for this great segment.
“Our leaders Came to do good but stayed to do well”…wow Dr. DeGruy
Two brilliant Black women giving us the remedy for the collective ailment 👏🏾. Education and engagement with each other is the 🔑
I'm a 49 year old man and today October 23 2023 is the first time I've seen or heard of this great Woman,and I'm already WOWWED by the little I saw...I saw a tik tok with a snippet of a lecture and immediately started my research... although in my heart I knew the things she spoke about ,raping ,killing and lynching of slaves, black people ,etc ,I did not know that these heinous acts were ,on paper "legal" ..thank you Prof Degruy for your continued work....it is much appreciated..just proves that we are never too old to learn, never.
"Would you be my Mom, too?" Dag, of all the things I expected to tug at my heart in this conversation, this one has me weeping. Blessings to Dr. DeGruy and that Mama and Daughter. ❤🙏🏿
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When my grandson became a teenager, I told my daughter that he needs to know not just that you love him but that you respect him. I got that from Dr. Joy 😊.
I could listen to this fabulous woman for hours, but I know she'd prefer for me to take action instead. Everything she says is so profoundly true and reaches us deeply if we but pay attention. I hate the term "master" teacher but we are sitting at the foot of greatness here.
Omg, I can't believe Dr. Joy is on your show. I love her!!
That learned helplessness is like the lions who wouldn't leave the cage, even after it was gone. This was the best, Prof. Hunter; so glad to be a Knubian, because it boils over! And Dr. DeGruy, what you did w/those young men - acknowledge them - is what I always do when I run across some to encourage. We should all be that smart.
Dr. DeGruy just brings her expertise like family, so relatable and digestable........she's been on my faves list for many years and inspite of the tough subject matter I still manage to find joy through Joy's delivery ❣️
My mother used to constantly use that quote about co-opted Black leaders, how they "came in to do good, but ended up just doing well." She made sure we understood that. [12:39 juncture]
Karen Hunter and Joy DeGruy!!!!!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️🏃🏾♀️💨💨💨💗💗💗💗 my day has been made!
Wow!!
I'm sharing this with everyone I know👏👏👏
Enjoyed the explanation about being conditioned not to walk out of the door.
Professors Hunter and Dr. DeGruy...your beautiful spirits and passion for our people ❤ lift my heart and mind to such heights. I have been following you both for years. This interview brings me to tears. It feels vital and long overdue. I look forward to hearing more from you together. Your combined power and intellect are the prototype for us all. Thank you for your beautiful presence.
Thank you so much for this interview. I hadn't seen any recent interviews with Dr. DeGruy for a while. Now I know why; she's been in the trenches doing the work.
Wow.. This interview was emotional and moving for me. Especially when she spoke about talking to the group of young men coming from school. Love love Dr.Joy.. Her name fits her well. Thanks Sis Hunter.(The cleanest glass of water on these airways). Love you 🙏🏾
Dr Joy is definitely a Titan among critical thinkers I was introduced to her work before the pandemic and Dove head first in during the pandemic and it's fitting that she would end up on the Karen Hunter podcast thank you love it!!!
"Will you be my MOM too" God Bless Our Community ❤🙏🏾
Read the book and found it so enlightening. Helped me understand lot of things and gave practical advice to heal. I have recommended the book many times
That last bit was so impactful. She really hit on the importance of community and how it is lacking today. We really need to focus inward and see our youth as the future, the leaders of tomorrow.
Karen!! I have been waiting on this interview for years! My two favorites! Legendary!!
Dr. Joy is my shero! I have her book on Posttraumatic Slave Syndrome and it is so prolific! As a doctoral student, I look up to her and I am so grateful for her work in the social sciences and for the culture.
My son gave me a bootleg DVD (around 10 yrs. ago) called 'Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Dr. DeGruy' , he thought I might find interesting 🤔
It TOTALLY Blew my Mind!!!!! 🤯It was like my Spirit/Soul & Mind suddenly Connected... I was so depressed & confused at the time, but after watching this blurry video, (I usually refused to watch any bootleg disc) but this message had reached deep into my being & sent me down a rabbit hole of information that still hasn't stopped;
Dr. Joy DeGruy is my SHERO ❤
You get so busy doing the neverending work that you forget you missed certain voices. Right on time Prof. Hunter. I remember the push back from Black Male voices too. Let's talk about how totally difficult it is to be activated after hearing /reading these truths only to turn to your family, your community to share it with them, to live it with them, to conduct "people activity" with them in the community and run only into stone cold BRICK. There's a whole other level of trauma in that. Grateful to see this Esteemed Elder Mother appear before us POWERFUL & WHOLE still. We can do this. Thank you. #reactivated
Lord have mercy, I'm at work and listening to Dr. Joy DeGruy's testimony of the young girl who called her mom and I'm at work crying.
This woman Dr Joy DeGruy is BRINGING IT! She is BRILLIANT! Thank you 🙏🏿 Karen Hunter!
Absolutely love Dr Degruy. Pushed the play button so fast on This one.
Love love love her met her in Brooklyn at St Paul Community Baptist Church. Special Lady 🎉🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I bought this book when it came out. It really opened my mind and affirmed my view. Get it today!
I read Dr. Degruy's book after watching her video. I love this conversation. There was a time when grandparents were considered old and had a head full of grey hair. I know of 30 something year old grandparents and young men's OG in their twenties. Not that young people can not be wise, but we lost a generation of wisdom. And there are a lot of reasons as to why. This is awesome! ❤️
About time!!!
Another phenomenal black woman! I first met Dr. DeGruy when I worked at First Interstate Bank (Portland, OR) in 1987. The bank brought her in to do some "Affirmative Action" training. I learned a lot about people culturally and environmentally. Wait 'til y'all learn the true beginnings of the Statue of Liberty. Like Dr. Carr, and Professor Hunter, Dr. Joy DeGruy is a national treasure.
Omg!!! Dr. Joy DeGruy I love you. You are speaking straight facts. My whole family in a nut shell...DAMM!
Just seeing this. I got to the 16 minute mark and Dr Joy just broke me.
Appreciate the discussion! Evanston cannot be considered reparations though since you don't have to be a descendant of slavery to qualify, and not all descendants there will receive the vouchers. We cannot just label any and everything reparations. That's like saying Afirmative Action is reparations.
Finally finished watching and Dr. DeGruy was just amazing as ever! Stumbling upon PTSS years ago changed my way of thinking back then by just confirming that I wasn't crazy and by validating my/our lived experiences. So happy to see her still dropping knowledge and everything else that was said during this whole show was on point!
Professor Hunter please invite Dr Joy DeGruy back again and again and again!
This is brilliant. Thank you for having Dr. Joy on the show. Just ordered the book.
The show got me in my bedroom saying Amen Amen Amen yessssssss Joy comes in the morning! Leaving this conversation feeling mentally well and spiritually well in some sense thank you both
"Your projection of our violence is yours."
Deep and truth. They have a savage history towards us. I purchased PTSS some time ago and have been reading it in doses to give myself time to process it. I am so appreciative of Dr. Degruy and her work. Thank you Karen for having her on as I guest. I hope that she does become a regular light on your show.
In tears that we are afraid of our own youth... to their detriment. smh. Please keep sharing the knowledge, Prof!
SHE IS ANOTHER FORM OF ANGELA DAVIS...AWESOME! WE APPRECIATE YOU DR. JOY AND KAREN!
This is one off the most thought provoking discussion, I worked with tweens and teens for years and if you take the time to talk, they don't like the position of the world they are living in and they have aspirations, but not many people to help them grow know generation of survivors to help them navigate this thing call surviving in blackness .I will get the book I'm 66 and raising a 6 year old my adopted child, I am trying to give her a replica of my life growing up.the village and basic safety structures.
Prof Hunter, I didn't think it could get better than you, and Dr. Carr(much love and respect to Dr. Carr), buuuut...Prof Hunter, and Dr. DEGRUY?? It's CLOBBERING TIME!😆
Dr. Hunter you and Dr. DeGruy look beautiful !!!!!
Learned helplessness is why we must be very careful with how much of the public lynchings and injustice we consume. It creates "hopelessness " and "learned helplessness " that will cause us to "lay down" and not progress or turn to toxic entertainment and abusive substances to temporarily give us mental and emotional relief. "The system is working exactly the way it was designed to work". Stay vigilant. Don't give up!✊🏾 And make it a priority to pass the wealth, warnings and wisdom to the next generation.
2 of my absolute favorite thinkers, producers, organizers, leaders in the world!!
I'm so honored to watch this thoughtful and productive conversation.
Love her! I have been paying attention to Dr. DeGruy since first seeing her on Like It Is with Gil Noble.
We need Dr. DeGruy in Class. It's gonna all tie together. That's class speak.
I encourage the study guide. I bought this book some while ago. The study guide I got from the college. I have not read the whole book. I keep going back to it I am still waiting for you Dr DeGruy put it on auditable version. She had mention this on her live that she was doing during the pandemic. Thank you Professor Hunter.
WOW! Vacant Esteem🙌🙌👏👏Powerful! Learned a new phrase! Dr. Joy is 💎💎
Another match made on Earth!! Can you spend Sunday's with Dr. DeGruy like you spend Saturday's with Dr. Carr?? Just thinking on TH-cam... love you both!!
Dr. DeGruy’s interview was enlightening because it joined psychological and sociological theories that have served to maintain the status quo. We have revitalize our desire to leave a legacy of greatness behind. My elders (cousins) were always willing to share their stories of accomplishments and challenges with me. It can still work. “We got this!”
Thank you, Ladies!!!!! Sheer BRILLIANCE!!!!!!
I love me some Dr. DeGRUY!!!
This segment brought me to tears. I want FAMILY back. My kids don't have the grandparents I had. thanks to knubians though I'm finding community🙏🏼
YES!!! For such a time as this! #Knubia
A WHOLE WORD!!! More Dr. Joy DeGruy and Karen Hunter PLEEEAASSSEE!!!!
One of my most favorite people on the ENTIRE planet not to mention the best 46 minutes spent
Dr DrGruy is so BRILLIANT I had to rewind it to listen to her brilliance twice!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Knowledge is the key for preparation. Great interview love Joy passion and energy.💕
I knew a woman who told me after many years of asking her why she doesn't move out of a dangerous community she was living in, that we both grew up in, there were times when we would be talking on the phone and she would scream for me to hold on only to find out later she was dropping to the floor because people were shooting outside her house, after many years of repeatedly asking her why she hasnt moved away from there she finally said its because she didnt think she could make it anywhere else, I met her in 1987 this is 2022 and shes still in that same house and still ducking bullets, I had moved away long ago. Bobby Womack said this in his song called "Across 110th Street" he mentions how "families on the other side of town would catch hell without a ghetto around" Dr Degruy is right when she says this mentality is from being conditioned, trained not to want to even try to leave, that is for SOME because like she and I and I'm sure many of us knew better and wanted better than the conditions they constructed for our people. Professor Hunter, thank you for doing this show, please have Dr Degruy back on real soon so this process of enlightenment can continue, we eat it up because we need it ❤
Ummmm....Ok....See, I just absolutely, positively, love these two women. Why? Because they inspire me to be the best black man/Afrikan man, that I can be. Seeing them in action, lets me know that our governance structure is alive, well, and growing. What this right here is, is the divine feminine principle incarnate. Thank you, sisters, for your wisdom and guidance. Thank you for being with us and one of us. We have work to do and we will do it together in our collective. Ase’
Ase!
So enlightening! 🌹
WOW!!! Professor Hunter we would love ❤️ the idea 💡 "In Class with Dr Joy DeGru " , please somehow someway include in the Knarrative/Knubia community. This subject matter is so relative, it helps connect the dots. I was able to get my better half to watch this episode with me and again WOW!!!!.1976 till now, to make a long story short we've survived this oppression. 3 adult daughters, 4 grandchildren and now 1great granddaughter and so blessed that I'm able to sustain the idea of "Governance Structure ".Professor Karen Hunter I appreciate you and Knarrative/Knubia. Solid foundation. Thanks a million.
She would have to want to do it.
The part where she talks about even enslaved black folks had hope brought tears to my eyes. How dare I not?
❤❤❤❤ love her bless her… She is an amazing women… As a black man I say to my black men, protect her at all cost!!! ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
"Your projection of our violence is yours." This!
Karen you are on it and truly a gem to our community. Your interviews are so uplifting and refreshing in the era of chaos. Keep up the great work. Now I’m tuning into Urban View. Listener since 2014!
WOW....thank you Karen Hunter for shining the LIGHT on the darkness
I am working on my capstone/dissertation on microaggressions against Black women in the workplace and everything that Dr. DeGruy discussed plays a role in how Black women are treated in the workplace. It’s so much to digest and I’m struggling with how to include all of this in my final paper. The truth needs to be told and not watered down to appease those in power.
Thank you so much Prof Karen...I needed a shot of this today!!!!
Professor Hunter! I have been waiting for this interview with you. The two of you together is fire! I experienced some of her lessons during a two day session with Santa Clara County, California. It was so illuminating on so many levels! I can recall a bit of her story about the Statue of Liberty and how it was actually dedicated to represent the elimination of slavery. How this "brown lady" was to have broken chains in one hand. Of course, all of that changed. That hand holds a book/tablet with July 4, 1776 inscribed on it. Dr. DeGruy fought to learn more about what happened to the chains. They decided the broken chains should be at her ankle/feet. Not easily seen on first glance. I never learned THIS history in school.
Two beautiful, educated and gifted women. This blessed my soul, my spirit and my mind. Thank you 💝💝💝
😮😁😆🤣😂❤❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽Prof Hunter for sharing this interview!!!! OMG🎉
Came to do good, stayed to do well!
Pay Attention!!!!
Everyone in the world needs to hear this conversation. Thank you for posting the whole conversation Prof Hunter. Love you both. Knubia and refill. Come get this clean glass of water yall. You look thirsty.
I agree!
Healing CAN happen!
What a treasured discussion. Thank you hugely! ❤
Dr DeGruy you are definitely brilliant and you have your finger on the pulse of the problem facing black people and black youth in particular. Listen to the kids. My sentiment exactly!
OMG That was amazing! So much wisdom, confirmation, and reminding. My husband and I talk to the young, the unhoused, and all kinda random people that others ignore. It's amazing how many people will stand by and compliment you when your done, like you did something with super human abilities. They never realize, by only talking to me after the incounter their still ignoring the person. Don't thank me, take action!...and then we as a people can make this a better place.
Just use your Common Sense! I love Dr. Joy DeGruy and she got me all fired up...
Great stuff- sharing! Thank you
I'm so loving this interview with Dr Joy 💓 so informative and deep I'm sharing this interview Professor Karen Hunter with everybody point blank period.
She is such a beautiful woman. Love her mind and spirit.
Dr. DeGruy is a force. She is consistent.
Greetings family. Having Dr. Joy on the island country of Bermuda in 2006, helped our black community to begin the school of Afrikan Learning to become something to be taken seriously. But, as per usual, the powers that be ignored the importance after years of struggling to keep the school going. But, I will never ever forget listening to this light bulb moment PTSS giving “ learned helplessness” a name and now realizing it’s C.A.I.D. Coined by Dr Clyde Winters. Thank you Prof Hunter for having our Sistah on your platform ( even though it took 25 years) here she is. I’m sharing this conversation. “It ain’t over til we win”❤
amazing!
Joy Degruy and, by extension, her mentor Dr. Edwin Nichols are so full of potent information and insights. Professor Hunter, I loved that you played 'devil's advocate' with many of Dr. DeGruy's points. As a black man, there is a particular vibe among black women who talk and walk in power that is highly motivating and also highly comforting. There are these lil breaks where I know one of y'all are getting ready to go "Girrrrl.." lol. Great conversation, great information, great women. Salute.
Exactly ! They give them an appetite for something else!!
I love love love Dr. Joy Degruy!!!! She was the first person I quoted in my dissertation using her book post traumatic slave disorder. This woman is 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Professor Hunter thank you for always striving for excellence in everything you do. Salute to you , sis🙌🏽🙌🏽💪🏽💪🏽💗💗
Also, our young people seem just as color struck as the older folk. I can't tell you how many tiktoks I've seen by young black men degrading dark-skinned girls as loud and rude while their lighter skinned cohorts are more refined. It's disappointing. I can only imagine the environments in which they were raised.
That is ignorance and self hatred....it reminds me of the white doll black doll experiment conducted by the late black psychologist Dr. Kenneth Clark, where little black girls were so ashamed of themselves, they refused to play with the black doll because it was ugly. They played with the white doll because they considered it pretty.
I will say it if no one else will. We don't need the overseer as a physical person anymore. The overseer is in our heads and we are still slaves in our heads.
We think, live and react as slaves today. We still talk of freedom. Ask a foreigner, especially from Africa what freedom is. After they finish laughing they will tell you you wouldn't understand, you are still slaves in your own country. That should speak volumes to you. Playing the race card on your own is just as stupid as the white man doing it. The body goes where the mind leads.
Pick yourselves up, not by bootstraps, but by our accomplishments, by where you came from and what you've been through. By the many who have died for our causes. We're not done!
Ronald I agree with you. It sems that both black men and women keep the color game of ligjt qnd dark up.
I love Dr. DeGruy, she has been, one of my most favorite teachers. For over 30 years. She is magnificent!
My homegirl Dr. Joy DeGruy was a joy to watch with you Prof. Hunter. Thank you 💝💝💝
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I love our kids, so on board with her. ❤❤❤❤❤❤