Excellent video. D-ps-sy are abbreviations indicating D-type (= boat-tail) bullet, armor piercing incendiary. I have Finnish WW2-era ammunition manuals, so I checked them. A287 marked in the box is Finnish military ammunition inventory number, which indicates steel-cased Soviet 7.62 x 54R AP-incendiary ammunition without stripper clips. The ammunition type is intended for piercing some armor and then igniting flammable liquid or gas behind the armor - so basically designed for shooting aircraft and setting its (often lightly armored) gas-tank on fire. The Soviets referred the bullet type as B-32. Tip of the bullet contains incendiary mix and is intended to fall apart and ignite while bullet pierces armor and inside the bullet behind it is hard steel penetrator. According manual muzzle velocity was 860 - 875 meters /second. Ammunition manufacturer is marked in headstamp and known factories to produce this ammo included factories 60 (Lugansk), 17 (Podolsk), 46 (Kuntzevo / Jekaterinburg) and 529 (Novaja Ljalja).
I would like to add that the date of "inspection" is from before Continuation War (between Finland and Soviet Union) was over. So to me this implies that these cartridges were looted from Red Army troops by the Finnish Army and then repacked for use by the Finns. That could explain the dents and poor conditions as damage the ammo got before it was deemed "still good enough for use" and packed by Finns. Considering that these were meant for shooting at planes... Either Finnish troops conquered a position that had these for AA Maxim machineguns. OR Finns shot down a Soviet planet that was carrying guns loaded with these and then went through the ammo belts on the wreckage and decided that these particular rounds are "still good." And yes, since the pack says "inspection date" I really assume that someone went through looted ammo and checked each one to see if they could be packed and used by Finns or the condition was too dangerous seeming and even the dented round was deemed good enough...
I agree, pin the comment! 👍 It was what I thought, as tips of the bullets just gave it away that it was clearly an incendiary round. Thanks for filling in! It's always good to know exactly what it is.
Kiv. Patr. is short for Kiväärin Patruuna (Rifle Cartridge). D is the designation of a boat tail bullet, PS is armor piercing, SY is incendiary. Based on the box, it's a Russian made armor piercing incendiary, a B-32 7.62x54R. Packaged before the end of the continuation war, so It's captured enemy ammo, which could explain why they look like they've been through a war. Likely surplussed because a Finnish 54R is actually 53R; they're mostly interchangeable, but not the same. It's like the difference between .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. You should be able to use a 54R if 53R isn't available (there's only a thou or so difference in length), but it's not recommended. Once the war was over, domestic production would have made Russian ammo unnecessary to stock.
The russian caliber is 7.62x54R where as the finnish is 7.62x53R so the russian casing is slightly longer than the finnish one and the bullet is 0,07mm bigger in diameter. Which also means that it was good that they used a russian barrelled rifle to test these as the cartridge might have not seated properly in the chamber of a barrel made for the finnish caliber.
I think you are right with the bullet type. In the 80s I served in the East German Airforce and I remember the different types of AK ammo we had: a red/black bullet tip meant armor piercing/incendiary!
my memory say that Finnish bored the guns in a way that Finnish guns can shoot Russian ammo but Russian weapons can NOT shoot Finnish ammo. so the Finnish ammo should be a tad bigger to not fit a Russian bore. i just cant remember what weapons were made like this :D
15kpl 7.62 kiväärin patruunaa (translation: 15pcs 7.62 rifle cartridges) 🤔 what i coincidence that i just opened youtube, and saw this as a Finnish follower.
Correct. But like everyone else, the Ruskies quickly discovered that Aircraft technology had outpaced the 7.62's usefullness, so the ShKAS LMG's were phased out for the 12.7mm UB HMG as quickly as possible. This rendered tons and tons of these AP-Incendiary rounds that had been made for aircraft use obsolete. Well, waste not want not, so they ended up getting used by Russian snipers quite often, and sometimes LMG crews would get their hands on them aswell.
@@Grobut81 в винтовках патроны к ШКАС часто давали осечки , из за слабого накола капсуля, в пулеметах работали надежно. в авиационном 7.62x54R утолщенные стенки гильзы, более глубокая посадка более жесткого капсуля. эти патроны на донце имеют дополнительный штамп в виде буквы Ш , красный лак на капсуле указывает что этим патроном разрешено стрелять из синхронизированного пулемета. в 14м году , когда началась война, мы много таких патронов получали для пехотных и танковых пулеметов . правда 46 года изготовления . работали они надежно без осечек и задержек. привет из Украины
I don't know where and how you picked this guy up, but he's got the right amount of TFM snark and fits just right in. Another great video, keep it up. P.S. I'm addicted to cosmoline too
You would certainly think American Petroleum Institute rifle cartridges would have more of an effect on gasoline. Thank you for helping us understand what these rounds can do, and thanks to John for sending them in!
I think when the Soviets made them they would likely have been intended to be fired from a machine gun rather than a bolt-action rifle, and therefore would have had a much greater chance to start a fire.
Really enjoy Ryan being the designated TFM shooter. His remarks/comments are every bit as off the wall as OG's, but in enough of a different direction that they're distinct from each other. Also enjoyed seeing the terminal effect of the ancient ammo! 👍
@@ryanrooks7570 I'd love to see you back on the channel. When I finally stopped laughing after the "application programmer interface" gag, I had to rewind to see what I'd missed.
@@ryanrooks7570 I think you'll relax a bit as you do more of these and your delivery will feel a little more natural, but otherwise you're doing just fine. Keep it up.
The tip never lies, I realized they were HE Incendiary rounds when you opened the box but I've never seen ones as spicy before. It's amazing they didn't break down or just turn to rust
My father gave me some packaged exactly like that, only 1951 (and actual Finnish manufacturer) with brass cases. It was for a 1903 Springfield, and in considerably better condition. Fired just fine 30 years ago. He bought it shortly after the Korean war.
Yeah the packaging says it's rifle ammo but it's actually russian machine gun ammo. According to wikipedia not to be shot by a rifle but what do they know.
Ryan is a fine gentleman, good with his words, fine shooter. Hope we can see him more on a range with more exotic ammo. Man, life is like a box of old ammo. You never know what you get. API, what a flashy treat. And what a nice bonus at the end! Amazing stuff.
What a treat, like seeing the old ammo demos, this one was especially interesting with the spicy rounds from the past. Thinking if the bag had been ballooned out so the vapor could fill more space, you may have gotten a little different result, but it's just a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess 😂) as always, enjoyed and will be looking forward to more from the mind of Jeff and the TFM crew.
Along with the 'regular' exotic shotgun slug content, I and probably a lot of people also really like these videos about old exotic rifle ammunition! Thanks for the video :)
That was really interesting, I really appreciate you guys expanding the old emerald that way all for the love of science, right, anyhow, I appreciate it
WOW, those 80+ year old API rounds where not messing about. Fantastic content as usual and I love Ryan's humour. I would not feel safe having those shot at me even in a period APC or light tank. It would be interesting to know how much performance they have lost if any over those 80/90 years.
Lots of fun shooting old specialty ammo but most if not all ammo from that era was mercuric primed, I believe, so better clean that Mosin well. Great video though!
Not sure about Eastern European ammo, but the US moved away from mercury fulminate as they transitioned to brass cartridges. The mercury residue had a nasty effect on the brass, so another primer compound using potassium chlorate was developed. Now, the advice of cleaning your gun immediately after a range session still applies with chlorate primers. One of the combustion products of potassium chlorate is potassium chloride. Potassium chloride is hygroscopic, meaning that it absorbs water from the air. And having water and a salt in close proximity to your steel barrel means rust. That's why chlorate-based primers are known as "corrosive" primers, because they will rust your barrel if their residue isn't cleaned out shortly after your shooting session. Edit: I do know that the US was one of the last countries to move away from chlorate based primers. Commercial ammunition didn't stop using chlorate until the 1950s.
@@cameronlamb7274 Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I knew that most Western countries had made the shift by the 1950s, but I had no idea about the Soviets or their sphere of influence.
Great video! really enjoyed seeing some rifle content as an Scandinavian. In addition, I use a Mauser K98F as my main rifle and it was extra fun to see content so closely related to my own firearm. Loved the content, the humour and the bullets.
Hello from France... Wahou good discovery... It seem's percing armor and explosive bullet (black nose ''percing'' and red circle ''explosive''). Thanks for this vidéo. See you soon
Those aren’t technically 7,62x54 they’re Finnish 7,62x53. Hence looking like the bullet wasn’t seated all the way. It’s typical of that round. It’s fires reliably out of a typical 54r rifle as it was intended to be used in adverse conditions perfect for the Fins.
You got a real gem there... Those are russian API rounds used everywhere, from bolt actions, through LMGs to aircraft armaments... The telltale flash on impact is the incendiary part detonating and the color coding on the tip is consistent... Love this! Google (since i cant put in links) 7.62x57mmR B-32 (7-BZ-3) EDIT: oh nvm, kept watching, and this info is in the video after all xD
Ryan Made this episode very funny and interesting, I hope you bring him back often. I was kind of hoping to see how the incendiary portion of those rounds would look while passing through ballistic jell. God Bless and stay safe.
There's a difference between the two steels used. Mild steel is more of a general purpose round for when the rounds might have to defeat mild cover or obstacles like bushes or interior walls or doors and worn equipment. The hardened steel used in AP rounds is for just that, armor. Pretty cool video! Those clouds and fire rings are amazing!
There's a reason the Finns were pretty much unstoppable during the Winter War. Sisu, along with special treats like these. They were very tactical with everything they did.
I love this dude. He's funny. I'd love to see more of him and maybe a live stream party with him, Jeff, OG, Bri, young Danny? Eh? EH?! And do a tarp giveaway live on stream with everyone's autograph on it.
I don't consider old ammo to be collectible, unless it's in a sealed can. Ammo is meant to be used and you've got to keep your "collection" fresh by shooting all the old stuff first. For the gas, try pulling it out of the bag at the last minute and having it in the open, it just needs more air in the mixture. A small bowl might work, or a large lipped plate for best visibility. As a programmer I appreciate you guys using the correct definition of API. :P
i would have expected Finnish D stuff to be heavy ball and not API, when it comes to dented cases, very common with combloc copper washed steel cased ammo, still goes bang and fireforms itself straight when you fire them, no biggie, if it seat it yeets.
I love my Mosin 91. It looked like it had been dipped in crankcase oil for storage. The receiver was marked as being made by SAKO and with Chinese surplus ammo it will stay on an old Copenhagen can at 100 yds. Fun times.
On the bottom: Hylsy=case Rautainen=(made) of iron, specifically coated mild steel Alkuperä=origin Venäläinen=Russian Tarkastettu=inspected, and then the inspection date in DD/M/YY format.
Really enjoyed this one. Hope you invite him back again. Like a younger OG. Those rounds were spectacular! I'd hate to get shot with one and have it hit the titanium wire holding my chest together. Be quite a shock ,to say the least. Boom, "Hello St. Peter!"
I’m sure some else may have suggested this, the vapor needs to be around the application-programmable-interface(😂) impact for ignition! Love your videos!!
Good job Ryan and Jeff. I did the Mosin and 54R thing back when it was cool; it always amazed me the rather crude looking surplus ammo always worked. That said, I must admit I didn't enjoy shooting the thing much at all. Wound up selling it for double what I paid for it (less costs associated with initial cleaning off of cosmoline, of course), so I guess "been there, done that" will have to suffice. Feel better soon, Jeff! - Ed on the Ridge
I think we have to clarify this, indoor ranges typically dont allow bimetal jackets or steel core ammo, not because it is 'armor piercing' but because it is ferrous. Indoor ranges typically have a lot of unburnt powder, coating the walls, stalls, targets, backstop, etc and generally the dont want the liability of a fire happening due to a spark. With that said, yeah typically ammo wont cause a fire, as seen in this very video, but at the end of the day a business has to run and insurance is a huge part of that
From what I googled it says those are armor piercing incendiary rounds or api like you said lol love the measurements of freedom in hamburgers lol my kind of figures lol awesome video those rounds did great for the age the fire ring was awesome too thanks for sharing
I thought it was incendiary also. Makes sense, red stripe for incendiary, black stripe for armor piercing, probably some awesome ammo once upon a time. Probably better to shoot it while it still works than to just let it rot away also.
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing, as I doubt this content exists or will exist anywhere else. It might be nice to keep 1 or 2 rounds unfired as examples, but shooting them on video, and with high speed like you did I think is the most valuable. My local range doesn't allow steel-containing projectiles for the fire hazard, but not necessarily because they're "armor piercing." I once asked about some new production TulAmmo, .308, steel or iron-alloy ("bi-metal") jacketed bullets (I believe they're lead core, and some kind of zinc-iron alloy for the jacket) that I wanted to test out, and they explained that they don't allow any projectiles that hold a magnet (i.e. contain iron) because it could potentially spark against a rock downrange and cause a fire.
I would suggest that steel is less likely to lose energy due to deformation, and the risk is not as much penetrative power, as it is ricochet. I would also suggest that years of passing down, "don't shoot with steel because it can go where you don't expect it," got turned into "don't shoot steel cause it can go through to where you don't expect it." I felt horrible watching you open that treasure, and yet I'm so impressed those rounds worked so well, and glad you documented their use.
44 is still a year out from beating Germany, so yes they would be picking up used shells and sending them back to be remanufactured. Great find. Hoping to find some of these someday.
just to clarify my previous comment, peace between Russia and Findland was announced on March 1, 1944. If this box was remanufactured on May 25, 1944, it is very likely that components made their way to Findland through Russia, in the effort to defeat Germany, that would not happen for another year. April 25, 1945 last bit of German Army pushed out of Findland, and on May 2, 1945 Germany unconditionally surrendered. Conditions in USSR were very rough throughout the war, and it makes complete sense that soldiers would be ordered to pickup any spent cases to be reloaded. I do believe that factory production of ammunition continued throughout the war as well in evacuated factories (my memory may be failing me, but I remember seeing one sealed tin of 54r dated from around that time). I apologise if I got any of this wrong, but I always was interested in this topic, because my grandfather was one of the managing directors of one of many evacuated factories, and my father was born during the evacuation in 1942. I wish more people would remember unimaginable cost of war.
@@ohiphotopro That's not true either, a ceasefire was called on the 5th of September 1944, and the Continuation War formally ended with an armistice on the 19th of that month. Also the ammunition doesn't seem to be "remanufactured", merely repackaged, as evidenced by the country of manufacture being stated as Russia. And when this ammunition was repackaged in May of that year, the war was very much still ongoing.
Interesting that the 80 year old Soviet ammo still does work. Got to forward this to some Finnish guys I know. Love your videos! PS: Ok, is this now a change from school busses to hamburgers? I mean, I´m still wondering about if you meant American, Asian, European or African school busses. And where are those burgers from? West coast? East coast? Texan? Smash burgers? Or the international McDonalds standard burger?
Ammo can last a surprisingly long time if it's properly stored. I'm kind of surprised the API bullets were still intact though - incendiary compounds aren't the most stable chemicals.
It was fun to see some new rounds going down range! Thanks for the interesting video. I suspect that the petrol(lol, didn't expect that) soak rag was protected from the sparks by the plastic bag. Perhaps itf it were inthe open it might have caught light.
The Myth Busters tried this with tracers. They increased the yardage to see if tracers would ignite a car gas tank. You guys were about 25 yards to close. Hey, live and learn. Great guess shooter. You can bring him back again, he would go good with the "OG." Thanks for the good content.
These are old Russian BZ-bullets. (B-32 / 7-BZ-3 by the looks of it) Essentially just Armour-Piercing Incendiary, or API. They were in production from 1932 to 1969. I'm frankly amazed they still ran so smoothly after all these years. I wish I knew how the Finns got their hands on these pearls, I bet that'd be quite the story! 😄 EDIT: Spelling, English is not my native language... 😂👍
Non-AP steel core is used to improve barrier blindness, not because it’s cheaper than lead. Mild steel core isn’t AP but it does improve penetration of non-armor barriers such as windows and sheet metal on vehicles. Also steel core is prohibited on almost all indoor ranges, not because of its penetrating capabilities but because it can generate sparks that can ignite unburnt powder that can accumulate on the floor of indoor ranges.
Note that we are talking about Soviet-produced ammunition from the WWII era, cost and availability of materials was almost undoubtedly the primary factor. The Germans made sintered iron 9mm rounds for the same reasons.
@@jic1 I don’t think the Germans use of sintered iron was a cost saving measure as much as it was a prioritization of supply use during war. Lead was required in the making of batteries. My point was generally a steel core can have benefits outside of cost, and in most cases steel is more expensive than lead and making a steel Cored projectile adds another level of complexity to the manufacturing process. Just my opinion.
Steel Core Ammo is prohibited at Indoor Ranges not because they think it penetrates armor. It's because the steel cores spark when they hit the backstop. That could cause a Range Fire with all the unburnt powder downrange.
I remember seeing an old soviet manual that had info on shooting this type of ammo through mosins. It was known to jam bolts shut. If this happened, the manual instructed you to place the rifle on the ground, put one foot on the stock, and kick the bolt till it opens.
Good to See Ryan on the channel again, love his subtle sense of humour. Glad he had some fun playing with some "SPICY" vintage rounds! Greg, Mae, Ryan & Brianna video needs to happen. Maybe an anniversary special or something. :)
I believe a tank of gasoline would ignite if hit by application programming interface rounds because of the compression and heat. Also O.G.'s hairy daughter is great on camera. Loved the video and thank you for sharing the results captured in such high detail!
Enough of those " Altitude Programable Interceptors " going through a vehicle soon enough something is gonna go boom. Fantastic images, thankyou for taking the risk.
@bladerunner752 - Its Russian, so it's powder. I think cordite was used just by British and Commonwealth countries. I could be wrong however. If anyone knows anyone else that used cordite I'd like to know. One more thing. Cordite was very unstable. After storage for a few years the pressures would be increased to dangerous levels. This powder seems to be amazingly stable. I'm surprised to say the least.
@@mikeblair2594 I know America used to use cordite but also powder so it was a mixed bag. I had some old ww2 30-06 ammo and I heard a different rattle when I moved the shells sound so took the bullet out and it was cordite. Then several other rounds were powder. I figured in ww2 they were just grabbing what they could and as long as it fired they were happy. Thanks for the info I appreciate it. 👍
@@bladerunner752 I may be forgetting something, but the only example of the American military using cordite I can think of is in the trigger mechanisms of the first nuclear bombs, probably because cordite burns very hot. That was actually the biggest problem with cordite, and it's why the RAF versions of the M1919 machine gun were open-bolt while all others were closed bolt. The .30-06 round you had may have been British/Commonwealth production, the Royal Armoured Corps used .30-06 machine guns in American-made tanks, and a lot of M1917 rifles in .30-06 were provided for reserve and militia units.
I collect ammo from both world wars and have some of these in the collection. They will stay as collectables and with the other Russian ammo from that time period. I had been curious as to what they were capable of now I have an idea and that is appreciated.
The armor piercing ammo that I am familiar with is NOT 'steel core', but 'Tungsten steel core'. It is not cheaper, it is way more expensive. And it is way harder (ever heard of tungsten steel drill bits?). I don't know if this is what your ammo is made from, but I believe that I saw the small internal steel (Tungsten?) piece bouncing off the plate..... Years ago I pulled apart some old US 30-06 AP ammo, just for the tungsten steel insert (works great making metal scribes).
Wow, fun test! I’m impressed by that 80+ year old ammo. Great velocity, always lit off when it hit, great penetration. You could take this stuff to war.😁
The TV show "MythBusters" did an episode on the Hollywood meme of cars exploding every time when hit with a bullet. It turns out gas tanks aren't that easy to blow up. First off, the off-gassed vapors burn, not the contained liquid fuel inside the tank. Then you need the proper oxygen content for the vapors to ignite. I think that during war time air combat the first shots would puncture the tank and following incendiary rounds ignited the vapors from the leaking fuel. Another entertaining video. Good job guys ! ** And so much for "crappy" Soviet ammo.
Since these are Soviet-made rounds packed in Finland during the Continuation War, I'm thinking that the condition you found them in when you opened the box was probably more-or-less the condition they were in when they were packed.
Excellent video. D-ps-sy are abbreviations indicating D-type (= boat-tail) bullet, armor piercing incendiary. I have Finnish WW2-era ammunition manuals, so I checked them. A287 marked in the box is Finnish military ammunition inventory number, which indicates steel-cased Soviet 7.62 x 54R AP-incendiary ammunition without stripper clips. The ammunition type is intended for piercing some armor and then igniting flammable liquid or gas behind the armor - so basically designed for shooting aircraft and setting its (often lightly armored) gas-tank on fire. The Soviets referred the bullet type as B-32. Tip of the bullet contains incendiary mix and is intended to fall apart and ignite while bullet pierces armor and inside the bullet behind it is hard steel penetrator. According manual muzzle velocity was 860 - 875 meters /second. Ammunition manufacturer is marked in headstamp and known factories to produce this ammo included factories 60 (Lugansk), 17 (Podolsk), 46 (Kuntzevo / Jekaterinburg) and 529 (Novaja Ljalja).
Awesome! I was counting out someone to fill in the blanks
voting to be pinned ;)
I would like to add that the date of "inspection" is from before Continuation War (between Finland and Soviet Union) was over. So to me this implies that these cartridges were looted from Red Army troops by the Finnish Army and then repacked for use by the Finns. That could explain the dents and poor conditions as damage the ammo got before it was deemed "still good enough for use" and packed by Finns. Considering that these were meant for shooting at planes... Either Finnish troops conquered a position that had these for AA Maxim machineguns. OR Finns shot down a Soviet planet that was carrying guns loaded with these and then went through the ammo belts on the wreckage and decided that these particular rounds are "still good." And yes, since the pack says "inspection date" I really assume that someone went through looted ammo and checked each one to see if they could be packed and used by Finns or the condition was too dangerous seeming and even the dented round was deemed good enough...
I agree, pin the comment! 👍 It was what I thought, as tips of the bullets just gave it away that it was clearly an incendiary round. Thanks for filling in! It's always good to know exactly what it is.
@@Asko83 That would make the most sense for why they're repackaged.
Kiv. Patr. is short for Kiväärin Patruuna (Rifle Cartridge). D is the designation of a boat tail bullet, PS is armor piercing, SY is incendiary. Based on the box, it's a Russian made armor piercing incendiary, a B-32 7.62x54R. Packaged before the end of the continuation war, so It's captured enemy ammo, which could explain why they look like they've been through a war.
Likely surplussed because a Finnish 54R is actually 53R; they're mostly interchangeable, but not the same. It's like the difference between .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. You should be able to use a 54R if 53R isn't available (there's only a thou or so difference in length), but it's not recommended. Once the war was over, domestic production would have made Russian ammo unnecessary to stock.
I kind of remember russian 7.62 is a little different caliber than what we usually think as 7.62. It should be tad larger.
@@SeersantLoom Yeah, it has a bullet diameter around .312 as opposed to .308 for American/Nato 7.62 if memory serves.
The russian caliber is 7.62x54R where as the finnish is 7.62x53R so the russian casing is slightly longer than the finnish one and the bullet is 0,07mm bigger in diameter. Which also means that it was good that they used a russian barrelled rifle to test these as the cartridge might have not seated properly in the chamber of a barrel made for the finnish caliber.
I think you are right with the bullet type. In the 80s I served in the East German Airforce and I remember the different types of AK ammo we had: a red/black bullet tip meant armor piercing/incendiary!
my memory say that Finnish bored the guns in a way that Finnish guns can shoot Russian ammo but Russian weapons can NOT shoot Finnish ammo. so the Finnish ammo should be a tad bigger to not fit a Russian bore. i just cant remember what weapons were made like this :D
15kpl 7.62 kiväärin patruunaa (translation: 15pcs 7.62 rifle cartridges) 🤔
what i coincidence that i just opened youtube, and saw this as a Finnish follower.
good timing!
Ei ihan noinkaan. Patruuna on cartridge englanniksi. Bullet merkitsee luotia.
@@b6983832 ainiin jooo, totta👍vähän väsyneenä tuli toi kirjotettua potato modessa. Nyt on korjattu.
Those rounds are for 1930- WWII soviet aircraft. They ran those through the ShKAS machine gun. Armor piercing incendiary rounds.
Was the D-round not also used for the modified Finnish captured Mosin-Nagants with D-stamped barrels?
Correct. But like everyone else, the Ruskies quickly discovered that Aircraft technology had outpaced the 7.62's usefullness, so the ShKAS LMG's were phased out for the 12.7mm UB HMG as quickly as possible. This rendered tons and tons of these AP-Incendiary rounds that had been made for aircraft use obsolete.
Well, waste not want not, so they ended up getting used by Russian snipers quite often, and sometimes LMG crews would get their hands on them aswell.
@@Grobut81 в винтовках патроны к ШКАС часто давали осечки , из за слабого накола капсуля, в пулеметах работали надежно. в авиационном 7.62x54R утолщенные стенки гильзы, более глубокая посадка более жесткого капсуля. эти патроны на донце имеют дополнительный штамп в виде буквы Ш , красный лак на капсуле указывает что этим патроном разрешено стрелять из синхронизированного пулемета.
в 14м году , когда началась война, мы много таких патронов получали для пехотных и танковых пулеметов . правда 46 года изготовления . работали они надежно без осечек и задержек. привет из Украины
I like Ryan's humor, and he's a good shot as well. Had a great time watching this video. 👌🏻👍🏻
thank you!
Nice job Ryan like to see more of you
@@taofledermausYep, I like this guy. He’s good on camera, very relaxed and entertaining.
I don't know where and how you picked this guy up, but he's got the right amount of TFM snark and fits just right in. Another great video, keep it up.
P.S. I'm addicted to cosmoline too
Thank you for the feedback and kind words.
More snark is always appreciated.
black-red tip are armour piercing incendiary round from my understanding, Nice video :)
You can't say those words on youtube anymore.
@@Superkuh2 Just did though for 2h ago
Exactly, we had to play it dumb and not mention key words.
@@taofledermaus I think key words are key words
You would certainly think American Petroleum Institute rifle cartridges would have more of an effect on gasoline. Thank you for helping us understand what these rounds can do, and thanks to John for sending them in!
I think when the Soviets made them they would likely have been intended to be fired from a machine gun rather than a bolt-action rifle, and therefore would have had a much greater chance to start a fire.
When you pierce enemy's head, it dosen't matter do it burn or not later that.
I love those API Rounds impacting with the High Speed Cams, that's such a Beautiful Display of Destruction.
thanks!
Amazing video! I have a few of these rounds I want to test. You got some great footage!
thanks!
Ryan is officially Audience-approved. He's a good shooter, witty and just irreverent enough to keep us guessing as to what he might say next.
thanks for the nice words
I feel like Ryan knows his way around REGEX.
Really enjoy Ryan being the designated TFM shooter. His remarks/comments are every bit as off the wall as OG's, but in enough of a different direction that they're distinct from each other. Also enjoyed seeing the terminal effect of the ancient ammo! 👍
THanks for the feedback Noah
Trys way too hard
@@tsasso6199 I've seen a couple comments like this. I'm pretty much the same person on camera as off camera. Maybe I'm just not right for the channel.
@@ryanrooks7570 I'd love to see you back on the channel. When I finally stopped laughing after the "application programmer interface" gag, I had to rewind to see what I'd missed.
@@ryanrooks7570 I think you'll relax a bit as you do more of these and your delivery will feel a little more natural, but otherwise you're doing just fine. Keep it up.
The tip never lies, I realized they were HE Incendiary rounds when you opened the box but I've never seen ones as spicy before. It's amazing they didn't break down or just turn to rust
Being covered in that oil probably saved them
I had the exact same reaction. Then i saw the first shot. CONFIRMED.
It's not HE. It's armor piercing incendiary
@@petrimakela5978 its actually the eye of sauron
Coating the bullets in oil, grease and wax are one of a few common way to preserve the ammunitions.
My father gave me some packaged exactly like that, only 1951 (and actual Finnish manufacturer) with brass cases. It was for a 1903 Springfield, and in considerably better condition. Fired just fine 30 years ago. He bought it shortly after the Korean war.
That's interesting, I didn't know that Finland used any military small arms chambered in .30-06. Or did they use the same packaging for civilian ammo?
double crimped primer, that means it was intended for the ShKAS machine gun. more than likely came out of a wrecked/downed soviet aircraft
they wouldn't keep boxes like that in an airplane...
@@wolfgagger if you payed attention during the video the ammo was 1939/1940 russian made, repackaged by the Finns in 1944 (who put them in the boxes )
Cool!
@@sasquatch440 its the way you worded it saying, it came out of, i was thinking you actually meant it as in the box
Yeah the packaging says it's rifle ammo but it's actually russian machine gun ammo. According to wikipedia not to be shot by a rifle but what do they know.
Ryan is a fine gentleman, good with his words, fine shooter. Hope we can see him more on a range with more exotic ammo.
Man, life is like a box of old ammo. You never know what you get. API, what a flashy treat.
And what a nice bonus at the end! Amazing stuff.
thanks!
You definitely don't get content like this every day, truly outstanding!👍👍
Wow, thanks
Amazing video, incredible rare ammo find! These were some great results.
What a treat, like seeing the old ammo demos, this one was especially interesting with the spicy rounds from the past. Thinking if the bag had been ballooned out so the vapor could fill more space, you may have gotten a little different result, but it's just a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess 😂) as always, enjoyed and will be looking forward to more from the mind of Jeff and the TFM crew.
Need the right sir/fuel ratio.
I really want this guy to come back more often. He's just damn funny
Thanks for the kind words
@@taofledermaus wow I wud keep those WW2 pre Nagasaki rounds
Definitely a young Dom DeLuise
Along with the 'regular' exotic shotgun slug content, I and probably a lot of people also really like these videos about old exotic rifle ammunition! Thanks for the video :)
thanks!
Ryan and OG have the same type of humor. Thanks for making this video. The old ammo was performance was interesting
thanks!!
I did not see best before date in that package. Did You?? 😎
That was really interesting, I really appreciate you guys expanding the old emerald that way all for the love of science, right, anyhow, I appreciate it
thank you!
WOW, those 80+ year old API rounds where not messing about. Fantastic content as usual and I love Ryan's humour. I would not feel safe having those shot at me even in a period APC or light tank. It would be interesting to know how much performance they have lost if any over those 80/90 years.
thanks Roy!!
I knew this guy would be back. What a personality! I'm still laughing about the Cole's Law joke he made after shooting the cabbage.
Lots of fun shooting old specialty ammo but most if not all ammo from that era was mercuric primed, I believe, so better clean that Mosin well. Great video though!
Anyone shooting surplus ammo should already know this.
Not sure about Eastern European ammo, but the US moved away from mercury fulminate as they transitioned to brass cartridges. The mercury residue had a nasty effect on the brass, so another primer compound using potassium chlorate was developed.
Now, the advice of cleaning your gun immediately after a range session still applies with chlorate primers. One of the combustion products of potassium chlorate is potassium chloride. Potassium chloride is hygroscopic, meaning that it absorbs water from the air. And having water and a salt in close proximity to your steel barrel means rust. That's why chlorate-based primers are known as "corrosive" primers, because they will rust your barrel if their residue isn't cleaned out shortly after your shooting session.
Edit: I do know that the US was one of the last countries to move away from chlorate based primers. Commercial ammunition didn't stop using chlorate until the 1950s.
@@vicroc4 soviet countries still used corrosive primers into the 70’s atleast and most British made .303 into ww2 was corrosive.
@@cameronlamb7274 Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I knew that most Western countries had made the shift by the 1950s, but I had no idea about the Soviets or their sphere of influence.
@@vicroc4 I don’t believe it was a mercuric priming compound theirs other compounds that were also corrosive.
Great video! really enjoyed seeing some rifle content as an Scandinavian.
In addition, I use a Mauser K98F as my main rifle and it was extra fun to see content so closely related to my own firearm.
Loved the content, the humour and the bullets.
thank you Audun
Finland is not Scandinavian
Hello from France...
Wahou good discovery... It seem's percing armor and explosive bullet (black nose ''percing'' and red circle ''explosive'').
Thanks for this vidéo.
See you soon
Awesome! thanks
OG's kid brother is a great addition.
Nice...API rounds, love the video Jeff.
thanks Jim!
Very cool testing of old ammo!!!
Nice shooting and wonderful slow motion. Great video guys.
thanks Saar
The red black color markings must mean it is an armor piercing incendiary (api) round.
Those aren’t technically 7,62x54 they’re Finnish 7,62x53. Hence looking like the bullet wasn’t seated all the way. It’s typical of that round. It’s fires reliably out of a typical 54r rifle as it was intended to be used in adverse conditions perfect for the Fins.
You got a real gem there... Those are russian API rounds used everywhere, from bolt actions, through LMGs to aircraft armaments... The telltale flash on impact is the incendiary part detonating and the color coding on the tip is consistent... Love this! Google (since i cant put in links) 7.62x57mmR B-32 (7-BZ-3)
EDIT: oh nvm, kept watching, and this info is in the video after all xD
Ryan Made this episode very funny and interesting, I hope you bring him back often. I was kind of hoping to see how the incendiary portion of those rounds would look while passing through ballistic jell. God Bless and stay safe.
There's a difference between the two steels used. Mild steel is more of a general purpose round for when the rounds might have to defeat mild cover or obstacles like bushes or interior walls or doors and worn equipment. The hardened steel used in AP rounds is for just that, armor.
Pretty cool video! Those clouds and fire rings are amazing!
Great video Jeff! Very fun! Does Ryan have his own TH-cam channel?
I don't think he has a channel
I'm glad that that bird off in the distance made it out okay!
14:11
14:09 love the bird flying through the high speed shot 😮
He was hard to see in the real time shots
@@taofledermaus I didn't see it at all in the real time shot.
armor piercing incendiary black over red
There's a reason the Finns were pretty much unstoppable during the Winter War. Sisu, along with special treats like these. They were very tactical with everything they did.
I love armor piercing incendiary rounds! Anything that makes nice holes while simultaneously exploding is just fabulous!!!!!
"About twice as thick as the last one, which is how I like them."
Man I love Ryan's sense of humor 😂. Imagine having him and OG in a video. Please Jeff! 😂❤
Someone has been hangin around Officer Gregg for about a decade too long.
I love this dude. He's funny. I'd love to see more of him and maybe a live stream party with him, Jeff, OG, Bri, young Danny? Eh? EH?! And do a tarp giveaway live on stream with everyone's autograph on it.
I don't consider old ammo to be collectible, unless it's in a sealed can. Ammo is meant to be used and you've got to keep your "collection" fresh by shooting all the old stuff first. For the gas, try pulling it out of the bag at the last minute and having it in the open, it just needs more air in the mixture. A small bowl might work, or a large lipped plate for best visibility. As a programmer I appreciate you guys using the correct definition of API. :P
i would have expected Finnish D stuff to be heavy ball and not API, when it comes to dented cases, very common with combloc copper washed steel cased ammo, still goes bang and fireforms itself straight when you fire them, no biggie, if it seat it yeets.
translations:
15 items
7.62 rifle cartridge
without straps
bullet: D, armor piercing, incendiary
casing: ferrous
origin: Russian
inspected: May 25th, 1944
I love my Mosin 91. It looked like it had been dipped in crankcase oil for storage. The receiver was marked as being made by SAKO and with Chinese surplus ammo it will stay on an old Copenhagen can at 100 yds. Fun times.
I really missed OG saying "gasoline fuel bag was a band I put together in the 80s"
Early industrial meets bardcore sort of thing, from what I hear.
Kiv. Patr.=Kiväärin patruunoita = rifle's cartridges
Luoti D-ps-sy=Luoti D-PanSsari-SYtytys
Translates to Bullet D-armor-ignition, or armor piercing incendiary.
On the bottom: Hylsy=case
Rautainen=(made) of iron, specifically coated mild steel
Alkuperä=origin
Venäläinen=Russian
Tarkastettu=inspected, and then the inspection date in DD/M/YY format.
thank you!
14:19 a visit from a real life fladermaus. Did no one else see the bat? Love your work Jeff
I would love to see Ryan back, he fit right in beautifully
Really enjoyed this one. Hope you invite him back again. Like a younger OG. Those rounds were spectacular! I'd hate to get shot with one and have it hit the titanium wire holding my chest together. Be quite a shock ,to say the least. Boom, "Hello St. Peter!"
I’m sure some else may have suggested this, the vapor needs to be around the application-programmable-interface(😂) impact for ignition! Love your videos!!
Good job Ryan and Jeff. I did the Mosin and 54R thing back when it was cool; it always amazed me the
rather crude looking surplus ammo always worked.
That said, I must admit I didn't enjoy shooting the thing much at all. Wound up selling it for double
what I paid for it (less costs associated with initial cleaning off of cosmoline, of course), so I guess
"been there, done that" will have to suffice.
Feel better soon, Jeff!
- Ed on the Ridge
thank you Ed!
This guy is nerdier than a Micro Center employee.....I love it. Sharp dry wit. Good work.
I think we have to clarify this, indoor ranges typically dont allow bimetal jackets or steel core ammo, not because it is 'armor piercing' but because it is ferrous. Indoor ranges typically have a lot of unburnt powder, coating the walls, stalls, targets, backstop, etc and generally the dont want the liability of a fire happening due to a spark. With that said, yeah typically ammo wont cause a fire, as seen in this very video, but at the end of the day a business has to run and insurance is a huge part of that
This gent reminds me so much of some of the best engineers ive ever worked with. Great vid 👍
thank you!!
Black = Armor piercing
Red = tracer / incendiary
From what I googled it says those are armor piercing incendiary rounds or api like you said lol love the measurements of freedom in hamburgers lol my kind of figures lol awesome video those rounds did great for the age the fire ring was awesome too thanks for sharing
Yea. Vintage WW2 Russian made API
I thought it was incendiary also. Makes sense, red stripe for incendiary, black stripe for armor piercing, probably some awesome ammo once upon a time. Probably better to shoot it while it still works than to just let it rot away also.
@@VashStarwind Yep. API, Armor Piercing, incendiary
Glad to see Ryan come back. He fits in nicely.
Thank you for the kind feedback
Love the videos like always and like the new guy Ryan just the right bit of wit .
Another…banger…of a video! Ryan is great, I thoroughly enjoy his humor!
thanks Billy
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing, as I doubt this content exists or will exist anywhere else. It might be nice to keep 1 or 2 rounds unfired as examples, but shooting them on video, and with high speed like you did I think is the most valuable.
My local range doesn't allow steel-containing projectiles for the fire hazard, but not necessarily because they're "armor piercing." I once asked about some new production TulAmmo, .308, steel or iron-alloy ("bi-metal") jacketed bullets (I believe they're lead core, and some kind of zinc-iron alloy for the jacket) that I wanted to test out, and they explained that they don't allow any projectiles that hold a magnet (i.e. contain iron) because it could potentially spark against a rock downrange and cause a fire.
Amazing video guys, as always.
Great guest, too
thanks!!
I would suggest that steel is less likely to lose energy due to deformation, and the risk is not as much penetrative power, as it is ricochet. I would also suggest that years of passing down, "don't shoot with steel because it can go where you don't expect it," got turned into "don't shoot steel cause it can go through to where you don't expect it." I felt horrible watching you open that treasure, and yet I'm so impressed those rounds worked so well, and glad you documented their use.
44 is still a year out from beating Germany, so yes they would be picking up used shells and sending them back to be remanufactured. Great find. Hoping to find some of these someday.
Wrong sorry mate it is captured Russian ammo... Finland was at war with Russia during ww2
@@nigelsmith7366 Not only were they at war with Russia, but they were *allied* with Nazi Germany.
just to clarify my previous comment, peace between Russia and Findland was announced on March 1, 1944. If this box was remanufactured on May 25, 1944, it is very likely that components made their way to Findland through Russia, in the effort to defeat Germany, that would not happen for another year. April 25, 1945 last bit of German Army pushed out of Findland, and on May 2, 1945 Germany unconditionally surrendered. Conditions in USSR were very rough throughout the war, and it makes complete sense that soldiers would be ordered to pickup any spent cases to be reloaded. I do believe that factory production of ammunition continued throughout the war as well in evacuated factories (my memory may be failing me, but I remember seeing one sealed tin of 54r dated from around that time). I apologise if I got any of this wrong, but I always was interested in this topic, because my grandfather was one of the managing directors of one of many evacuated factories, and my father was born during the evacuation in 1942. I wish more people would remember unimaginable cost of war.
@@ohiphotopro That's not true either, a ceasefire was called on the 5th of September 1944, and the Continuation War formally ended with an armistice on the 19th of that month. Also the ammunition doesn't seem to be "remanufactured", merely repackaged, as evidenced by the country of manufacture being stated as Russia. And when this ammunition was repackaged in May of that year, the war was very much still ongoing.
14:11 I don’t know what kind of birds you have but that’s a big one flying from left to right through the smoke.😮❤
Interesting that the 80 year old Soviet ammo still does work.
Got to forward this to some Finnish guys I know.
Love your videos!
PS: Ok, is this now a change from school busses to hamburgers? I mean, I´m still wondering about if you meant American, Asian, European or African school busses. And where are those burgers from? West coast? East coast? Texan? Smash burgers? Or the international McDonalds standard burger?
Ammo can last a surprisingly long time if it's properly stored. I'm kind of surprised the API bullets were still intact though - incendiary compounds aren't the most stable chemicals.
As far as I can tell, there isn't a standardized European school bus.
@@jic1 Don´t make it more complicated as it already is. For our purposes there IS a standardized lenghts for school busses in Europe! ;-) 😀
It was fun to see some new rounds going down range! Thanks for the interesting video.
I suspect that the petrol(lol, didn't expect that) soak rag was protected from the sparks by the plastic bag. Perhaps itf it were inthe open it might have caught light.
i like the new guy,,he is petty funny like Greg!
Be sure that if you invite Scott from Kentucky to the range that he brings his own tables!!😂😂😂
I really enjoyed this show, thanks!
thanks Mark!
The Myth Busters tried this with tracers. They increased the yardage to see if tracers would ignite a car gas tank. You guys were about 25 yards to close. Hey, live and learn. Great guess shooter. You can bring him back again, he would go good with the "OG." Thanks for the good content.
These aren't tracers though
These are old Russian BZ-bullets. (B-32 / 7-BZ-3 by the looks of it) Essentially just Armour-Piercing Incendiary, or API. They were in production from 1932 to 1969. I'm frankly amazed they still ran so smoothly after all these years.
I wish I knew how the Finns got their hands on these pearls, I bet that'd be quite the story! 😄
EDIT: Spelling, English is not my native language... 😂👍
edit: you could have fooled ME! lol
Sadly, I think the story would probably be fairly boring: 'We shot some Russians and took them.'
Loved Ryan killing it with his marksmanship! And he was also funny. Appreciate the content ❤
Are those exploding rounds?
Great video, thanks Ryan, Mark and of course Jeff 👍
Thanks 👍
Non-AP steel core is used to improve barrier blindness, not because it’s cheaper than lead. Mild steel core isn’t AP but it does improve penetration of non-armor barriers such as windows and sheet metal on vehicles.
Also steel core is prohibited on almost all indoor ranges, not because of its penetrating capabilities but because it can generate sparks that can ignite unburnt powder that can accumulate on the floor of indoor ranges.
Note that we are talking about Soviet-produced ammunition from the WWII era, cost and availability of materials was almost undoubtedly the primary factor. The Germans made sintered iron 9mm rounds for the same reasons.
@@jic1 I don’t think the Germans use of sintered iron was a cost saving measure as much as it was a prioritization of supply use during war. Lead was required in the making of batteries. My point was generally a steel core can have benefits outside of cost, and in most cases steel is more expensive than lead and making a steel
Cored projectile adds another level of complexity to the manufacturing process. Just my opinion.
Those rounds were amazing for how old they are. And those fire rings were cool. 👍
thanks!
Steel Core Ammo is prohibited at Indoor Ranges not because they think it penetrates armor. It's because the steel cores spark when they hit the backstop. That could cause a Range Fire with all the unburnt powder downrange.
I remember seeing an old soviet manual that had info on shooting this type of ammo through mosins. It was known to jam bolts shut. If this happened, the manual instructed you to place the rifle on the ground, put one foot on the stock, and kick the bolt till it opens.
Imagine watching a homie get domed by one of these api rounds during WW2
Good to see this fella back. He was funny in the 1st vid. Hope to see him again.
I guess I didn't bore him to death the first time!
Very cool video. One of my favorite channels. Keep up the great work guys
Awesome! Thank you!
Good to See Ryan on the channel again, love his subtle sense of humour. Glad he had some fun playing with some "SPICY" vintage rounds! Greg, Mae, Ryan & Brianna video needs to happen. Maybe an anniversary special or something. :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Jeff: "Yeah, I try to make these tables last as long as I can."
KB Scott: 😏
Great video as usual. Enjoying Ryan's humor.
I believe a tank of gasoline would ignite if hit by application programming interface rounds because of the compression and heat. Also O.G.'s hairy daughter is great on camera. Loved the video and thank you for sharing the results captured in such high detail!
Enough of those " Altitude Programable Interceptors " going through a vehicle soon enough something is gonna go boom. Fantastic images, thankyou for taking the risk.
thanks!
That was very cool. Do you know if they were loaded with cordite or regular powder?
@bladerunner752 - Its Russian, so it's powder. I think cordite was used just by British and Commonwealth countries. I could be wrong however. If anyone knows anyone else that used cordite I'd like to know.
One more thing. Cordite was very unstable. After storage for a few years the pressures would be increased to dangerous levels. This powder seems to be amazingly stable. I'm surprised to say the least.
@@mikeblair2594 I know America used to use cordite but also powder so it was a mixed bag. I had some old ww2 30-06 ammo and I heard a different rattle when I moved the shells sound so took the bullet out and it was cordite. Then several other rounds were powder. I figured in ww2 they were just grabbing what they could and as long as it fired they were happy. Thanks for the info I appreciate it. 👍
@@mikeblair2594 only the British were loading cordite maybe the Aussies were idk but Canada was loading smokeless powder.
Australian 303 of the time was Cordite
@@bladerunner752 I may be forgetting something, but the only example of the American military using cordite I can think of is in the trigger mechanisms of the first nuclear bombs, probably because cordite burns very hot. That was actually the biggest problem with cordite, and it's why the RAF versions of the M1919 machine gun were open-bolt while all others were closed bolt. The .30-06 round you had may have been British/Commonwealth production, the Royal Armoured Corps used .30-06 machine guns in American-made tanks, and a lot of M1917 rifles in .30-06 were provided for reserve and militia units.
Great shooting! What fun! Is there a possibility of a small can of oxygen to hit? ...or hairspray?...or spray paint?
I collect ammo from both world wars and have some of these in the collection. They will stay as collectables and with the other Russian ammo from that time period. I had been curious as to what they were capable of now I have an idea and that is appreciated.
You might be able to find some from world war three soon! 😀
Hopefully your curiosity is satisfied!
The armor piercing ammo that I am familiar with is NOT 'steel core', but 'Tungsten steel core'. It is not cheaper, it is way more expensive. And it is way harder (ever heard of tungsten steel drill bits?). I don't know if this is what your ammo is made from, but I believe that I saw the small internal steel (Tungsten?) piece bouncing off the plate..... Years ago I pulled apart some old US 30-06 AP ammo, just for the tungsten steel insert (works great making metal scribes).
Wow, fun test! I’m impressed by that 80+ year old ammo. Great velocity, always lit off when it hit, great penetration. You could take this stuff to war.😁
thank you Lane
Молодец товарищ. Хорошая стрельба, надеюсь, Таофледермаус заставил тебя вернуться.
The TV show "MythBusters" did an episode on the Hollywood meme of cars exploding every time when hit with a bullet. It turns out gas tanks aren't that easy to blow up. First off, the off-gassed vapors burn, not the contained liquid fuel inside the tank. Then you need the proper oxygen content for the vapors to ignite. I think that during war time air combat the first shots would puncture the tank and following incendiary rounds ignited the vapors from the leaking fuel. Another entertaining video. Good job guys ! ** And so much for "crappy" Soviet ammo.
Since these are Soviet-made rounds packed in Finland during the Continuation War, I'm thinking that the condition you found them in when you opened the box was probably more-or-less the condition they were in when they were packed.
The bag is what's killing it...
You just mentioned the fuel air mixso I'll stop with the pyromaniac lesson lol