I have read Jackie Collins book for years since i was 13, many of them helped me through dark times, Barbra books are old fashioned love innocent and 'proper' Jackie's book allow people to explore having love romantically but also with one self. She writes strong characters like Lucky Santangelo whos not only strong but also finds love. Team Jackie all the way.
Not really surprising, Cartland came from an upper class background and she was acquainted with the Royal Family. She was born and raised in the very beginning of the 20th century, a period where socials barrieres were thickers than now.
Her being 86 years old and talking about old people as if she isn’t one 😂 also she greatly overestimated the impact of romance and erotic novels on society.
The first bestselling novel was a romance novel, and Barbara Cartlands were touting the same tired lines back in the 1700s, too. And *somehow,* society still kept going 😂😂
I really laughed when she talked about The Stud being disgusting, keeping her awake all night! Jackie' was very gracious I feel, and defended herself well. I'd love to ask Barbara what positive influences her books have had on society?
Barbara was a character, but Jackie was a much better author. Barbara Cartland’s books were florid, badly written romances that were repetitive and where sex happened to the female characters, with them basically being inanimate objects. Jackie Collins created sexually dominant and sex craving women, who didn’t let men push them around and where women held the power. Many women were rescued from horrible relationships thanks to the strength they found from her novels, where they realised how badly they had been treated by men.
More like 19th century. She was born in 1901 in a conservative upperclass environment so her parents were victorians and she was raised in this mindset.
you have a one dimensional view of what a karen is.. and even that is eroneous. you'll want to come back to me with some single trite progressive insulting soundbite maybe.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis A Karen is a mostly American term for a certain type of often middle aged, conservative woman, usually bigoted, self entitled and one that always wants to complain to the manager. I'd say Christopher's original comment was pretty spot on 👍
I read Barbara Cartland's novels as a teenager and they were very romantic in the Cinderella sense; very proper in the Victorian way, which, given her age, was very understandable. Formulaic though: rich, handsome, titled gentleman with a commanding presence who can have any woman instead falls for the sweet, virginal, and intelligent girl who is well below his social station, but is his superior in virtue. They inspired young women to be good, and wise, and - furthermore, what woman doesn't admire a man who has some of those qualities of confidence, ability, positive masculinity. If he loves such a woman, he has some wisdom, taste, and character, too. And you know she'd be the best influence on that character. Well, what's wrong with that? Cartland could rest at night, knowing she was doing her part, as an influencer, on the morals of youth. Well, in that time period, people acted eager to be naughty, they winked at impropriety, they revelled in shocking behavior, and it's only increased. It's gotten so dark and twisted. It WAS "evil" and she called it out. People love to put her down, but I salute her, she was a real lady.
When the book is only about sex it’s not about romance after the sexual encounter. Lust isn’t romantic. Lust doesn’t bring tears to your eyes and it isn’t memorable.
When a book is primarily about sex, it's in the erotica genre, not romance. A perfectly respectable genre. You don't have to like it or read it, but you're not some depraved lecher if you do.
Babera is right about something nasty being seen can't be unseen. But I wouldn't say Jacky write anything horrendous. Ther w m7h wire happening in my primary school. That can't be unseen. That's why I have the worst ocd. It's not m6 fault but I'm bullied for having a tortured soul.
I have OCD too. It brings so much pain to our lives. ERP therapy helped so much; it's one of the hardest things I've done, but it was worth it to end some of the suffering.
@@celisewillis I was subjected to erp and cognitive behaviour therapy. The reason why it didnt work foe ne is because I'm non neurotypical (autistic). I went back to a CBT approach, bur the student health care girl was patronising aswell as half my age and I don't like to be patronised by anyone when I very hungry and had lots of appointments to go to in a hurry that day with no offer of tea or biscuits. Then the girl refused to repeat what she said when she was muttering to me and I could not hear. I knew she would refuse.ni shouldn't be there to figure them out when they wind me up but they should lessen my suffering. Starving and thirsty. I refused to Co operate with the tormenter and silver lining to the black cloud is the proffessor in charge in the background realised it won't work and finally after twenty years of no asking including up to two days before, when the dr refused to help me, at the request of my counceller. So the only thing that helps is meds and secretin. Secretin is a female hormone needed for cognitive functioning which even men need. But the nhs don't want sick people cured so they refuse to treat them with what they need. I only have sertraline, lowest dose. Erp made me much worse. I need to just do something creative without TV polluting my mind.
Nah, Barbara was off her rocker. When I read a story about two adults making love, I don't think of children at all. But Barbara Cartland does, so. Now we know that 😐
Old people? Ain't she old herself?...she kinda forgotten that she was 86 at the time born in 1901... ain't she close to Prehistoric era? Jackie Collins read her to Filth... respectfully!
She was speaking about the person who gives in to old age instead of fighting to go on as she did! Lived it up till the end! What a lovely and wonderful lady!
Barbara went on a incoherent screed, bringing up random talking points that had nothing to do with what Jackie said. I can't imagine listening this woman cosplaying a Victorian wedding cake and come away thinking she made any sense at all. May her dementia-laden brain lay at rest.
Contrapoints brought me here.
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I’ve watched this a few times and I’m back again. I love how Jackie respectfully dragged Barbara
Who's here from Drag Race UK?
Lol yup 😂
Barbara Cartland, by the looks of it?
Jackie ate it up with her disco Egyptian goddess look! Unfortunately, Barbara looks like a dusty statue head surrounded by soggy funeral home flowers
Who's here from Contrapoints
Me!
Who's here because of Ginger Johnson?
the contra has pointed us here
I don't think I ever read anything these ladies wrote but I do remember their popularity. Their names and writings were prominent in US bookstores.
I have read Jackie Collins book for years since i was 13, many of them helped me through dark times, Barbra books are old fashioned love innocent and 'proper' Jackie's book allow people to explore having love romantically but also with one self. She writes strong characters like Lucky Santangelo whos not only strong but also finds love. Team Jackie all the way.
You can tell that Cartland thinks herself socially superior to Jackie. Just the accent and demeanor.
Not really surprising, Cartland came from an upper class background and she was acquainted with the Royal Family. She was born and raised in the very beginning of the 20th century, a period where socials barrieres were thickers than now.
@AA-mj4sn 👍🏻She was Born in Augustus road Here in South Edgbaston 📚
Her being 86 years old and talking about old people as if she isn’t one 😂 also she greatly overestimated the impact of romance and erotic novels on society.
The first bestselling novel was a romance novel, and Barbara Cartlands were touting the same tired lines back in the 1700s, too. And *somehow,* society still kept going 😂😂
I really laughed when she talked about The Stud being disgusting, keeping her awake all night! Jackie' was very gracious I feel, and defended herself well. I'd love to ask Barbara what positive influences her books have had on society?
Jackie was great. Cheeky little laugh too
Ive read them both...
Collins keeps you turning those pages. Collins had more class in this situation.
Barbara was absolutely all over the place, couldn't follow her train of thought
It's hilarious how after the long argument with Jackie Collins, Cartland finds a fight to pick with Asner too.
Jackie wins hands down🏆
Barbara was a character, but Jackie was a much better author. Barbara Cartland’s books were florid, badly written romances that were repetitive and where sex happened to the female characters, with them basically being inanimate objects. Jackie Collins created sexually dominant and sex craving women, who didn’t let men push them around and where women held the power. Many women were rescued from horrible relationships thanks to the strength they found from her novels, where they realised how badly they had been treated by men.
Exactly and everyone says Barbra was preserving “the morals and standards of her time” well society moved on for a reason.
She's off her trolly, but you've got to love Dame Barbara Cartland.
You don't get audience GENUINELY cheering like that at the end of a Chat Show today!
Barbara is like someone out of the 18th century
Is that supposed to be an insult?
Complete with flour-caked face and powdered wig 😂
More like 19th century. She was born in 1901 in a conservative upperclass environment so her parents were victorians and she was raised in this mindset.
They don't make entertaining chat shows like this anymore - because there's no entertaining celebs anymore!
Barbara Cartland the Karen of romance novels
you have a one dimensional view of what a karen is.. and even that is eroneous.
you'll want to come back to me with some single trite progressive insulting soundbite maybe.
@@beakfordclakington1337what is a Karen? I keep seeing this name all over the place
@@beakfordclakington1337 oh come on, that was hilarious!! 🤣
@@DeepScreenAnalysis A Karen is a mostly American term for a certain type of often middle aged, conservative woman, usually bigoted, self entitled and one that always wants to complain to the manager. I'd say Christopher's original comment was pretty spot on 👍
Don’t you dare!
Out of all those there - you wouldn't have thought that the guy on the left would have been around the longest! (until only a couple of years ago!)
Age wise, Barbara was around longer, living to 98. Ed Asner, the one on the left, lived to 91.
Barbara was a force of nature! Read up about her...what a life!
Yeah, as is a natural desaster
Terry Wogan doesn’t know what to say 😂
Cartland was a privileged caricature and only spoke for a handful of old maids and their poodles
I live for the fact that they brought Reagan into this.
How many pages?
Publish!
Chapter One! - THE END!
little britain?
“Do you know the bible?” said Lord Harper 😂😂
Jackie for the win.
“The British aren’t coming! The British aren’t coming!”
❤️ Dame Barbara Cartland grew up reading her novels.
Barbara Cartland is hurting my eyes !
thats not an argument at least
🤣🤣🤣
Cartlands makeup and dress sense is offensive
I've not read either but know that Jackie's books have nothing to do with love. Barbara writes about love but in the most innocent of ways.
I read Barbara Cartland's novels as a teenager and they were very romantic in the Cinderella sense; very proper in the Victorian way, which, given her age, was very understandable. Formulaic though: rich, handsome, titled gentleman with a commanding presence who can have any woman instead falls for the sweet, virginal, and intelligent girl who is well below his social station, but is his superior in virtue. They inspired young women to be good, and wise, and - furthermore, what woman doesn't admire a man who has some of those qualities of confidence, ability, positive masculinity. If he loves such a woman, he has some wisdom, taste, and character, too. And you know she'd be the best influence on that character. Well, what's wrong with that? Cartland could rest at night, knowing she was doing her part, as an influencer, on the morals of youth. Well, in that time period, people acted eager to be naughty, they winked at impropriety, they revelled in shocking behavior, and it's only increased. It's gotten so dark and twisted. It WAS "evil" and she called it out. People love to put her down, but I salute her, she was a real lady.
There was wisdom in her words.
The permissive society has gone further than she ever would’ve thought possible
LOL you need to get out more.
The British aren't coming! The British aren't coming!
@@nothankyounextbye no thanks! 😄
Love Barbara Cartland! Barbara rules! So iconic.
What did she dress like a 90 yo drag queen?
When the book is only about sex it’s not about romance after the sexual encounter. Lust isn’t romantic. Lust doesn’t bring tears to your eyes and it isn’t memorable.
When a book is primarily about sex, it's in the erotica genre, not romance. A perfectly respectable genre. You don't have to like it or read it, but you're not some depraved lecher if you do.
@@celisewillis sex is not romantic.
Two fabulous women!
Oh, Barbara. I can only imagine what side of history this clown makeup would on today...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
mother brought me here, and i hate it lol
Babera is right about something nasty being seen can't be unseen. But I wouldn't say Jacky write anything horrendous. Ther w m7h wire happening in my primary school. That can't be unseen. That's why I have the worst ocd. It's not m6 fault but I'm bullied for having a tortured soul.
I have OCD too. It brings so much pain to our lives. ERP therapy helped so much; it's one of the hardest things I've done, but it was worth it to end some of the suffering.
@@celisewillis I was subjected to erp and cognitive behaviour therapy. The reason why it didnt work foe ne is because I'm non neurotypical (autistic). I went back to a CBT approach, bur the student health care girl was patronising aswell as half my age and I don't like to be patronised by anyone when I very hungry and had lots of appointments to go to in a hurry that day with no offer of tea or biscuits. Then the girl refused to repeat what she said when she was muttering to me and I could not hear. I knew she would refuse.ni shouldn't be there to figure them out when they wind me up but they should lessen my suffering. Starving and thirsty. I refused to Co operate with the tormenter and silver lining to the black cloud is the proffessor in charge in the background realised it won't work and finally after twenty years of no asking including up to two days before, when the dr refused to help me, at the request of my counceller. So the only thing that helps is meds and secretin. Secretin is a female hormone needed for cognitive functioning which even men need. But the nhs don't want sick people cured so they refuse to treat them with what they need. I only have sertraline, lowest dose. Erp made me much worse. I need to just do something creative without TV polluting my mind.
Ginger Johnson!
I have to agree Babs you were right
Cartland was ahead of her time wondering how what people consume affects their brain, very unfashionable at the time
Ahead of her time? It's just common sense.
Both women were right.
Nah, Barbara was off her rocker. When I read a story about two adults making love, I don't think of children at all. But Barbara Cartland does, so. Now we know that 😐
Old people? Ain't she old herself?...she kinda forgotten that she was 86 at the time born in 1901... ain't she close to Prehistoric era?
Jackie Collins read her to Filth... respectfully!
She was speaking about the person who gives in to old age instead of fighting to go on as she did! Lived it up till the end! What a lovely and wonderful lady!
SUCH A COW/////
Barbara ate her up and left no crumbs 😎
Barbara went on a incoherent screed, bringing up random talking points that had nothing to do with what Jackie said. I can't imagine listening this woman cosplaying a Victorian wedding cake and come away thinking she made any sense at all. May her dementia-laden brain lay at rest.