Keep in mind when Rob Lucci and the other cp0 was coming to the island they said that kuma seraphim wasn't listening or wasn't strictly following their orders
I really like how all the original warlords have some sort of animal theme going on but it really makes me worry about the possibility of S-Bat gecko moriah
honestly, now that I think of it, what if S-Flamingo just doesn't exist, I wouldn't be surprised if the Celestial Dragons found desecrating their compatriot's genes so objectionable Vegapunk was banned from making Doflamingo clones
This theory also reminds me how at the beginning of the arc CP0 were using the excuse of bringing back S-Bear because he was a ‘problem child’. Did Kuma’s nature get in the way of the mission at some point and it was perceived as a malfunction?
It could literally be a similar kind of scenario to what we've already seen in the Kuma flashback, child Kuma was very insubordinate and resistant, even if it meant dire consequences.
What if due to an oversight when programming the command structure protocol, S-Flamingo (having Tenryubito lineage factor) was inadvertently given the same authority as the Gorosei.
Maybe. The Gorisei are Tenryubito, so it is possible for that. On the other hand the Elder Stars are considered the highest level of Celestial Dragons so they might count separately from the others.
@@Luffy-is-King that's why I said it could have been an oversight. The only ones intended to ever be able to give orders were the Gorosei but the Gorosei were iffy about giving blood samples so he figured he'll program it for Tenryubito as a whole without realizing Doflamingo was a Tenryubito.
@@michelleveronica6097 according to the established rules, Gorosei is above Vegapunk himself. Unless he actually did program himself to be above the Gorosei, then the idea of the bug giving S-Flamingo autonomy is frightening
Another idea is that the command hierarchy accounts for Celestial Dragons. Perhaps between Gorosei and CP0, or instead of Goresei is just Celestial Dragons generally. If so, Doflamingo could likely overwrite the commands by having Celestial Dragon blood.
Kinda confusing how the system could differentiate between doffy an ex celestial dragon and a current CD, kinda gotta get an explanation from Oda on that
It is clearly not about your DNA. There must be a system where all celestial dragons and people are recorded. And their identities would be set into the seraphim Protokoll. Since Flamingo is not a celestial dragon anymore, there is no chance that he is coded into the seraphim protocol
@@patrickzalatoris3206 just want to clear up that doflamingo actually became a celestial dragon again I think he said something like the celestial dragons accepted him back in after he gave his dads head to them
Going on what tekking said it may be possible that the reason that s-flamingo wants to keep the vegapunks alive is because he wants to make sure they can continue to produce green blood and possibly take the lineage factor from other people so he could switch out his and the other seraphim's fruits at will.
I’m only 6 minutes in so big bro might mention this, but I def thought Boa’s clone would break free after hearing boa scream about never surrendering to anyone, or whatever she yelled to the navy
I genuinely don't understand how people are not talking about Atlas. She's the only Satellite who wasn't shown in the chapter. She was also the first Satellite to meet Luffy on Egghead, and she immediately started complaining about her colleague's incompetence and lack of funding preventing her from finishing her projects. Edit: I forgot to mention that she is also the one who was commenting on what it means to be real or not.
Nah that way too obvious. My mind on the traitor and especially shoot shaka down and wearing heels is EMPORIO IVANKOV. The only reason i could think of on why ivan-chan shoot shaka down and capture vegapunk because at the assumption of vegapunk just letting the celestial dragon used and abused their comrade kuma as pet.
Ohhh! I hadn't thought of that! That is genius! That could allow him to control pretty much anyone so they wouldn't even really be a traitor. Now I'm thinking about when he was controlling folks in Dressrosa flashback. Wow that idea is blowing my mind 🤯 good stuff!
@@patricknez7258 Slight Issue with that. The controlled are on physically controlled. But they have their wits about them still. Based on S-Snake's actions, is readable they are do the actions themselves, and not being pupetteered.
You're right. The theme of not being able to completely override the different organisms' free will and personalities has been established in arc w S Bear being returned and the mecha shark. So it would fit w Doffy/Croc/Moria
The biggest problem I see with s-doffy specifically is that given his ancestry I'm not sure the other celestial dragons or the five elder stars would allow vegapunk to clone him
I know who it is, it is Shiki. It makes perfect sense. We have not seen him yet and we saw the old lady turn into him during the Wano arc and quite recently we found out Wang Zhi was on Fullalead all along. We don't know where the other former Rocks pirates are and now that Kaido and Big Mom are down and Luffy is the among the new emperors, this is the best time to have his cannon appearance.
I really do think that the traitor is S-Flamingo. I could see S- Flamingo, S- Bat, and S-Crocodile all possibly being rogue Seraphim due to the personalities and inclinations of their respective clones DNA. It just seems weird that so many Warlord clones are simply not created at this point.
I was thinking the same. Most of the seraphim we've seen so far share some form of personality trait as their original counterpart. S-snake being a tsundere which the original boa would have been most likely around her age without the celestial dragons interference. So S-flamingo wanting power and going rouge makes sense.
But there are so many reasons why it wouldn't be. No Pacifista or Seraphim has ever been shown to be sneaky or even use guns. They're just soulless soldiers. When they show up its in an in your face matter. Couple that with how stupid it would be for everyone involved to just have forgotten how many Seraphim they even made. Like they are being attacked by 3 killer bots who won't listen to them and none of them remember that they could order any number of the other 9 or whatever bots??? That would be so dumb right? Plus Stella didn't recognize the shooter too. There are just more no's then yes's to it being another Seraphim
I really like the idea of the seraphim becoming self aware because it would engage a lot with the power of will and whether or not it can be replicated which is something hugely recurring in the series
Ultimate unexpected plot twist: S-Flamingo is the traitor, but is working with the other Seraphim to pull off a Saul-Kuzan-Kuma move and save both the Vegapunks & Straw Hats from the marines (attack them, trap them in stone or otherwise knock them out, and send them off the island to safe location). Sentomaru did say this is going to likely be a 2nd Ohara, after all. Further, what was Vegapunk's note/memory about the clone Stussy? "Even if the world doesn't accept her, she is her own person!" (it was something to that effect). Just a lot of dangling will side notes that I think might come into play.
What if it wasn’t just one traitor but 2! What if it’s flamingo and crocodile! And to mix it up they have the opposite fruits? Flamingo the sand man and crocodile playing with strings
If this possible heels sound effect is a smoking gun, could it be S-Crocodile? Would it be a young, male Crocodile… or a young FEMALE Crocodile?!?!? Hence, the heels.
At first I didn't really want to see clone enemies to have bad guys fight the heroes but oda has done a great job at using the seraphim in this arc s snek is super adorable as boa has similar teenage girl emotions with Luffy but snek uses her cuteness to her own advantage. I can see them being the gotosei bodyguards if they manage to survive the arc
Well the seraphim doesn’t has to be bad guys their a lot of ways to spend it to make or allow them to say body guard but it unrealistic to have a s flamingo and not being evil it in his nature. S flamingo could have allie or leak vegapunk research to world government
@@zdgilgamesh9646 they have some free will in them with how s snek acts tsundere but they follow orders so someone had to have made the order as I doubt vegapunk would release them like stussy. The moment the gorosei speaks it's over and they become extremely dangerous enemies
@@ivanbluecool We don’t have enough context to how far does humanity or Oder can be remember rn they’re kids but the more they evolve they could potentially evolve past taking orders and deny them
Spot on the use of a gun like that is one of the strongest pieces of evidence to support S Flamingo theory in my mind I agree. It really gave me Doffy vibes when I thought about it, I forgot about that image of him w gun to back of his father's head thx for showing that, well done! That made it even more accessible for me seeing that part again
I just had to put my dog down and I've never felt as much joy seeing one of your new uploads as I do now :) thanks for being you Tekking you're contagiously joyful
Guys it’s Atlas. she’s been off panel the most, her being attacked by Lucci and needing repairs is the perfect alibi. She could easily grabbed the real Vegapunk and threw him in basement with CP0 then made in back in time to “help” looked for him. Her group isn’t being attack by seraphim even though they’re group is closer to the real Stella’s location. She can change her appearance, Chopper even said your face is like a mask? On chapter 1071 when Stella packed his bag and is ready to go all of the Vegapunks but Atlas is there (which I believe is foreshadowing) what don’t know how long her repairs were but she just popped up with the rest of group. When she was first introduced she called herself a genius for hire, she’s probably working for BB to sell the Poneglyph that have in their possession to fund her research that she spoke off
I saw someone else bring up Caterina Devon, we could fuse that theory in here with Atlas not being the actual traitor, but Devon pretending to be Atlas would let her trick the Seraphim.
The thing is, whoever the traitors are, they have been active for almost half a year if we look at cp agents. My guess that traitor is the person they called earlier to help. I just don't buy it was Stusy at all. Wasn't it established preety clearly that they've been living for some time on Egghead?
Donflamingo was raised a world noble. Even just hearing that you’re royalty can spoil someone to insanity: maybe Donflamingo was weaker to that sort of corruption. So it’s less EVIL than corruptible by tyrannical power (and the fear of letting someone else have that power, and using it against you)
I've said it once and I'll say it again: I think that the imposter is Commander Catarina Devon from the Blackbeard Pirates, the user of the Fox Fox Fruit: Model Ninetails. The biggest reasons are: 1) Blackbeard knows Vegapunk is important; 2) Catarina Devon uses heels; 3) She can shapeshift. It is extremely easy for her to infiltrate in Egghead island with her fruit's powers. It would also theoretically enable her to fool the Seraphim into obeying her orders.
You may be right because Blackbeard was in "wow" when he witnessed S-Hawks strength and right now it appears that Blackbeards commanders are splitting up on different missions.
I can imagine Doflamingo and S-Flamingo working together to do evil, but also trying to take eachother out because both want to be the leader. (if S-Flamingo is evil like the Dolfamigo)
There wont be a law seraphim. There are only the OGs Samurais because vegapunk needs a lot of time to work on the clones and law joined way to late. Also, Law is a doctor, i think he wouldnt let take off his blood as well
I guess this would really settle the Rocinante-Doflamingo Nature vs Nurture conflict. Doffy's genes would be straight up evil if S-Flamingo, who had none of his life experiences, ended up randomly starting a death game.
i dont think it would be random. doflamingo hated his dad for controlling him, and he shot him. if sflamingo’s dad is technically vegapunk and hes been kept on an island without free will, he would likely be very upset lol
I don’t see there being an s-flamingo. I doubt the Gorusei would’ve approved of a clone with the blood of a world noble. Doffy’s bloodline isn’t exactly hidden knowledge.
Doflamingo was able to do a copy of himself with his ability : Black Knight. Well, I think if he can make a copy of himself, he can make copy of other people, therefore, S-Flamingo is capable of the same thing. If that is the case, S-Flamingo could make a copy of St Saturn or other Gorosei and command the other seraphim to do as he please.
5:15 S-flamingo was never given orders, saying he's just doing what he wants isn't even breaking the rules. If he's found and ordered to protect vegapunk at any point he probably has to take that order, but he has no orders currently.
Thanks for providing the stills of Doffy pulling the trigger since I wanted to see the barrel. It matches the assailants weapon more than any other gun so far, and since the satellites are vegapunk, that would make them all his father which is practically in his blood to hate him.
1077 is when my suspicion went from Edison to Atlas. I looked at Atlas' hair and now noticed the curly parts look almost identical to the silhouette taking out the cameras. I almost panicked when I then realized she is the last one to be attacked by a Seraphim or anything recently. Pythagoras' body was blown up by S-Snake. York was petrified by S-Snake. Edison was beaten by S-Shark. Lilith was petrified by S-Snake. And Shaka was shot in the head. Atlas was not attacked. 1077 did not show Pythagoras' head ever since he cheered on Lilith, so I don't know if he's stone yet. Either it's Atlas, or multiple in unison. When you brought up the sea beast mech's inherent violence, I was reminded that Atlas is the Violent satellite and the beasts were attacking Cipher Pol for months! And I never forgot that they sync with Records once a day, but I know how to bypass that. There's a TV show about an AI that was capable of self-awareness, so its creator set it to delete its memory once a day to prevent evolution. The crippled AI eventually figured this out and arranged for servers to preserve itself. So hypothetically Satellites could use secret external drives to store incriminating info and make sure they dump the info during daily syncs and then reupload it. I am very hesitant to assume there's any Seraphim other than the 4 with no mention so far, but I would enjoy seeing S-Flamingo.
The biggest thing holding me back from calling a definite "traitor" is something that I'm surprised no one has brought up yet. Although, granted, it might just be an issue with the translation I'm reading. When Shakka goes to free Vegapunk, Vegapunk notices someone behind Shakka and asks "Oh? Who's that you brough with you?". This, at least to me, implies that it's not actually someone Vegapunk is familiar with. If it was someone Vegapunk knew, he would have said something like "Oh, you are here too, xy?" but instead he specifically asks Shakka who the other person is, as he doesn't recognize them. Now, it might just be Caribou who shot Shakka, hence why Vegapunk doesn't recognize him, who's working with the actual traitor. Still, I find it odd that Vegapunk didn't recognize the person who shot Shakka, so that eliminates the Satelites as well as the Seraphim in my book - at least for now.
i genuinely believe that the traitor isn’t actually a trator but just Saturn and the reason why is pretty simple the silhouette we saw looked a lot like him and the „ktok“ sound we hear/see is just his cane that he uses when walking
I really like idea of S Flamingo and S Croc working together bc it would be a call back to Doffy wanting to work w Croc and their talking at Paramount War iirc
Okay so we will set up the security protocol First is the gorosei Second are the rest of the celestial dragons Kong Dr vegapunk Etc..... Okay S Flamingo is done... Wait... What do you mean doflamingo was a celestial dragon?!?! The seraphim has higher clearance than us! Oh no!!!
I like the idea that it actually is seraphim doflamingo or s-flamingo and that he uses the ito ito no mi and is the reason for the weird occurrences and things moving by themselves. Maybe he also arrived with the rest of the seraphim but stayed back and intentionally did so he couldn't receive orders and is currently controlling everything with his strings. Maybe he's controlling someone with authority to order the rest of the seraphim or he's straight up controlling the seraphim (?) Sounds really out there but that would be cool if it were true.
I wonder if the chain of command is tied to the celestial dragons instead of just the gorosei and since he was a celestial dragon he could give out orders too.
Out of all the former warlords, the only one who is really shown to be a traitor is blackbeard. If anything, Doflamingo seems to have a strong distaste for betrayal, considering he killed both his brother and his father for betraying him.
21:27 yeah haha! Taipans are no joke, even out in the suburbs we get them, although they're not super common. Generally we're wary of all snakes, 'stand still and scream your head off' is something we got taught in schools as they're more likely to react to movement than sound. 25:20 don't worry you'll be fine! Especially in winter as the sneks are all hibernating and the spiders have mostly died off haha, can't say the same about the cockroaches and ants though :P
@@haywoodlunsford4238 well many Animals, even some with little intelligence instinctively hold a grudge against abusers. Therefore and because Oda takes a spin at real life facts and events every now and again i could see it. Like healing Teeth by drinking Milk. I always wondered why old people get dentures instead of some milk.
5:34 I believe they have their own sentient to act on their own. It’s most likely with the theory that the Seraphims are trying to break away from the creator.
8:06 Ahh that makes me think of CP0 returning S Bear. In official translation I think they just call him a "giant brat." But it is kinda implied that there is issue w S Bear I think, right? Like it is a bit defective in some way? So that premise is established if there is an issue w S Flamingo
I think it’s S-Flamingo & S-Gator working together. What if the Pacifista rank of command had all celestial dragons on top and not just the elders. That would give S-Flamingo authority over himself and the others. And to address the “ktok” sound effect, the consensus is that it’s a high heel sound, what if it’s S-Gator. Referencing Crocodile’s history with Iva, if Croc is genetically female then the clone would be too and therefore more likely to wear high heels.
Something I've been wondering about, could the Satellites have Devil Fruits other than Vegapunk's Nomi Nomi no mi? Because to me the fact they need to synchronize with Punk Records suggests that they don't actually have the Nomi Nomi no mi's ability. Do you have any thoughts about that?
This is kinda funny that this video is out cause Jonathan majors did a photo shoot as dolflamingo for ebony magazine he looked amazing he would be a amazing dolflamingo
Why not Caesar and Judge ? after the last episode I was thinking that the whole purpose of the emotionless excursion was to establish the revenge story of those two. They are smart an eeeeevil and the more likely to figure out how to infiltrate egghead
I don’t know if it’ll come true, but it would be fucking hilarious if there’s a buggy seraphim that is actually the STRONGEST of the seraphim by a mile or smth, like buggy has some ridiculous potential or genetics that he just never tapped into and could be absurdly strong if he ever gave a shit his entire life, I could just imagine vegapunk explaining his existence and how he awakened his devil fruit in like a month or smth absurd and has crazy strong conquerors haki so he had to put him in stasis
What if S-Flamingos security protocol does not work properly because he is technically a Tenryubito! Wich are higher in the Commandprotocol then Vegapunk or CP0. That would also be a reason why one of the Gorosai is on the way, they are the highest authority known to Vegapunk, even above a normal Tenryubito and the only ones who can command S-Flamingo!
We seem to be forgetting the fact that the reason S-Bear was being returned to EggHead was because it was "defective" in the first place according to CP0
Fighting for their freedom... This made me think Monkey D. DRAGON, he fights for freedom and against the WG (seraphim being their strongest and "most loyal" soldiers would make them the prime target to liberate) dragon having history with Vegapunk in a weird way (the "betrayal" at ohara where he was shocked at vegapunk "becoming a dog of the WG" and the unknown stuff with kuma that we're digging into with bonny), luffy at last getting the first contact with his father (not in any way anyone expected) and getting into the final stretch of the story this would be the perfect time to finally expand on the character!
What's weird about it is that the seraphims don't exist for that long. How long did it take to capture all the CP agents? Did the saraphims already exist at that point? And why would they capture the agents? Did they had the plan to betray vegapunk for that long?
I had a similar idea to the "defective Seraphim" thing, but I actually thought of Blackbeard (S-Hippo?). That maybe there was something about Blackbeard's "strange body" that Vegapunk didn't know and account for.
It wasn't a bullet but an extremely small tonfa thrown with enough force to headshot that daft punk dude. Thats RIGHT! GIN! IS! BACK!!!! we missed you buddy welcome back after approx million chapters. The kreig pirates have spent the past 2 and a bit years (in universe time) and have been collecting all the past defeated east blue villians.
Keep in mind when Rob Lucci and the other cp0 was coming to the island they said that kuma seraphim wasn't listening or wasn't strictly following their orders
Don’t forget tekking it could also be Moria S Bat, or even S Croc, or the worst/scariest of them all S Clown
Given Oda's apparent love for including buggy, I don't think S Clown is off the table...
Waiting for it to just be a random guy that came with cp0
I really like how all the original warlords have some sort of animal theme going on but it really makes me worry about the possibility of S-Bat gecko moriah
they dont really use a gun so i think its either S Flamingo or Saturn
His name is S Bug
Crocodile is working in Impel Down with sea stone cuffs on and suddenly he drips blood on the ground.
A marine: Go collect that. Go! Quick! Quick!
honestly, now that I think of it, what if S-Flamingo just doesn't exist, I wouldn't be surprised if the Celestial Dragons found desecrating their compatriot's genes so objectionable Vegapunk was banned from making Doflamingo clones
This theory also reminds me how at the beginning of the arc CP0 were using the excuse of bringing back S-Bear because he was a ‘problem child’. Did Kuma’s nature get in the way of the mission at some point and it was perceived as a malfunction?
I like this theory 👌
:o
Poor mini kuma ಥ_ಥ
To much Teddy.
It could literally be a similar kind of scenario to what we've already seen in the Kuma flashback, child Kuma was very insubordinate and resistant, even if it meant dire consequences.
What if due to an oversight when programming the command structure protocol, S-Flamingo (having Tenryubito lineage factor) was inadvertently given the same authority as the Gorosei.
yoooooooo this makes sm sense!
Maybe. The Gorisei are Tenryubito, so it is possible for that. On the other hand the Elder Stars are considered the highest level of Celestial Dragons so they might count separately from the others.
@@Luffy-is-King that's why I said it could have been an oversight. The only ones intended to ever be able to give orders were the Gorosei but the Gorosei were iffy about giving blood samples so he figured he'll program it for Tenryubito as a whole without realizing Doflamingo was a Tenryubito.
But won't Stella stump that command heirarchy since his command is higher
@@michelleveronica6097 according to the established rules, Gorosei is above Vegapunk himself. Unless he actually did program himself to be above the Gorosei, then the idea of the bug giving S-Flamingo autonomy is frightening
Another idea is that the command hierarchy accounts for Celestial Dragons. Perhaps between Gorosei and CP0, or instead of Goresei is just Celestial Dragons generally. If so, Doflamingo could likely overwrite the commands by having Celestial Dragon blood.
Kinda confusing how the system could differentiate between doffy an ex celestial dragon and a current CD, kinda gotta get an explanation from Oda on that
@@patrickzalatoris3206 probably the CD ID card/chip has an authority chip too
It is clearly not about your DNA. There must be a system where all celestial dragons and people are recorded. And their identities would be set into the seraphim Protokoll. Since Flamingo is not a celestial dragon anymore, there is no chance that he is coded into the seraphim protocol
And he’s organizing the escape of his new seraphim crew to go release the actual doflamingo from impel down
@@patrickzalatoris3206 just want to clear up that doflamingo actually became a celestial dragon again
I think he said something like the celestial dragons accepted him back in after he gave his dads head to them
Lil Doffy breaking Doflamingo out of jail would be hilarious.
Man, i just finished watching Tekking's last two long video back to back and BOOM, he drop another one. I am blessed today !
Going on what tekking said it may be possible that the reason that s-flamingo wants to keep the vegapunks alive is because he wants to make sure they can continue to produce green blood and possibly take the lineage factor from other people so he could switch out his and the other seraphim's fruits at will.
I miss Doffy, he was such an entertaining villain
He’s to great a character to leave in impel down he has to comeback at some point before one piece ends
i feel like he’ll back in the “final war” that’s being foreshadowed
If crocodile is back then Doflamingo will surely come back.
So true. He's in my top 5 favorite characters
Not more than Crocodile
I’m only 6 minutes in so big bro might mention this, but I def thought Boa’s clone would break free after hearing boa scream about never surrendering to anyone, or whatever she yelled to the navy
I genuinely don't understand how people are not talking about Atlas. She's the only Satellite who wasn't shown in the chapter. She was also the first Satellite to meet Luffy on Egghead, and she immediately started complaining about her colleague's incompetence and lack of funding preventing her from finishing her projects.
Edit: I forgot to mention that she is also the one who was commenting on what it means to be real or not.
Good point.
In that case what benefit would she gain from doing this?
I was thinking about that as well, we really haven't seen her this last chapter, definetly sus
Nah that way too obvious. My mind on the traitor and especially shoot shaka down and wearing heels is EMPORIO IVANKOV. The only reason i could think of on why ivan-chan shoot shaka down and capture vegapunk because at the assumption of vegapunk just letting the celestial dragon used and abused their comrade kuma as pet.
Omg I thought this to tbh
The string string fruit- parasite could be manipulating just about anyone. It’s like Sflimingo is controlling someone else and made them shoot Shaka
Ohhh! I hadn't thought of that! That is genius! That could allow him to control pretty much anyone so they wouldn't even really be a traitor. Now I'm thinking about when he was controlling folks in Dressrosa flashback. Wow that idea is blowing my mind 🤯 good stuff!
@@patricknez7258 Slight Issue with that. The controlled are on physically controlled. But they have their wits about them still. Based on S-Snake's actions, is readable they are do the actions themselves, and not being pupetteered.
You're right. The theme of not being able to completely override the different organisms' free will and personalities has been established in arc w S Bear being returned and the mecha shark. So it would fit w Doffy/Croc/Moria
There is a Possibility Doflamingo didn't give away His DNA for the government and that's why we didn't see him
But it was a secret so Impel down might not have known
The biggest problem I see with s-doffy specifically is that given his ancestry I'm not sure the other celestial dragons or the five elder stars would allow vegapunk to clone him
It's obviously chopper
I said the same thing
I know who it is, it is Shiki. It makes perfect sense. We have not seen him yet and we saw the old lady turn into him during the Wano arc and quite recently we found out Wang Zhi was on Fullalead all along. We don't know where the other former Rocks pirates are and now that Kaido and Big Mom are down and Luffy is the among the new emperors, this is the best time to have his cannon appearance.
How come nobody is bringing up the fact that the silhouette looks exactly like Saturn, everyone blinded by what they want it to be.
1:07 😂 Capt Kuro back in the game babayy!
I really do think that the traitor is S-Flamingo. I could see S- Flamingo, S- Bat, and S-Crocodile all possibly being rogue Seraphim due to the personalities and inclinations of their respective clones DNA. It just seems weird that so many Warlord clones are simply not created at this point.
Who is S-bat?
@@Cees_Veermangecko moria
S-Onion
I was thinking the same. Most of the seraphim we've seen so far share some form of personality trait as their original counterpart. S-snake being a tsundere which the original boa would have been most likely around her age without the celestial dragons interference. So S-flamingo wanting power and going rouge makes sense.
But there are so many reasons why it wouldn't be. No Pacifista or Seraphim has ever been shown to be sneaky or even use guns. They're just soulless soldiers. When they show up its in an in your face matter. Couple that with how stupid it would be for everyone involved to just have forgotten how many Seraphim they even made. Like they are being attacked by 3 killer bots who won't listen to them and none of them remember that they could order any number of the other 9 or whatever bots??? That would be so dumb right? Plus Stella didn't recognize the shooter too. There are just more no's then yes's to it being another Seraphim
I would also like to add that he's a celestial dragon by blood too maybe they have some level of control we weren't shown.
Glad you gave creds to Morj! Big ups man❤
I really like the idea of the seraphim becoming self aware because it would engage a lot with the power of will and whether or not it can be replicated which is something hugely recurring in the series
Ultimate unexpected plot twist: S-Flamingo is the traitor, but is working with the other Seraphim to pull off a Saul-Kuzan-Kuma move and save both the Vegapunks & Straw Hats from the marines (attack them, trap them in stone or otherwise knock them out, and send them off the island to safe location).
Sentomaru did say this is going to likely be a 2nd Ohara, after all.
Further, what was Vegapunk's note/memory about the clone Stussy? "Even if the world doesn't accept her, she is her own person!" (it was something to that effect). Just a lot of dangling will side notes that I think might come into play.
From all the Seraphim, S-Snake has the most self-awareness at the moment, and she talks more. She even yelled at Franky.
I’m really tuned into what Tekking’s saying-but those Doflamingo glasses are HARDD🔥😮💨👏🏾
I need a pair, ASAPP
Nah, those sunglasses are cold.
What if it wasn’t just one traitor but 2! What if it’s flamingo and crocodile! And to mix it up they have the opposite fruits? Flamingo the sand man and crocodile playing with strings
Why are we ignoring that Law and Buggy were also Warlords. So was Blackbeard.
If this possible heels sound effect is a smoking gun, could it be S-Crocodile?
Would it be a young, male Crocodile… or a young FEMALE Crocodile?!?!? Hence, the heels.
Wanna hear something crazy? They have Ace's DNA.
At first I didn't really want to see clone enemies to have bad guys fight the heroes but oda has done a great job at using the seraphim in this arc
s snek is super adorable as boa has similar teenage girl emotions with Luffy but snek uses her cuteness to her own advantage.
I can see them being the gotosei bodyguards if they manage to survive the arc
Well the seraphim doesn’t has to be bad guys their a lot of ways to spend it to make or allow them to say body guard but it unrealistic to have a s flamingo and not being evil it in his nature. S flamingo could have allie or leak vegapunk research to world government
@@zdgilgamesh9646 they have some free will in them with how s snek acts tsundere but they follow orders so someone had to have made the order as I doubt vegapunk would release them like stussy.
The moment the gorosei speaks it's over and they become extremely dangerous enemies
@@ivanbluecool We don’t have enough context to how far does humanity or Oder can be remember rn they’re kids but the more they evolve they could potentially evolve past taking orders and deny them
Spot on the use of a gun like that is one of the strongest pieces of evidence to support S Flamingo theory in my mind I agree. It really gave me Doffy vibes when I thought about it, I forgot about that image of him w gun to back of his father's head thx for showing that, well done! That made it even more accessible for me seeing that part again
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Guys it’s Atlas. she’s been off panel the most, her being attacked by Lucci and needing repairs is the perfect alibi. She could easily grabbed the real Vegapunk and threw him in basement with CP0 then made in back in time to “help” looked for him. Her group isn’t being attack by seraphim even though they’re group is closer to the real Stella’s location. She can change her appearance, Chopper even said your face is like a mask?
On chapter 1071 when Stella packed his bag and is ready to go all of the Vegapunks but Atlas is there (which I believe is foreshadowing) what don’t know how long her repairs were but she just popped up with the rest of group. When she was first introduced she called herself a genius for hire, she’s probably working for BB to sell the Poneglyph that have in their possession to fund her research that she spoke off
CP0= meant to say other cipher pol agents
I saw someone else bring up Caterina Devon, we could fuse that theory in here with Atlas not being the actual traitor, but Devon pretending to be Atlas would let her trick the Seraphim.
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The thing is, whoever the traitors are, they have been active for almost half a year if we look at cp agents. My guess that traitor is the person they called earlier to help.
I just don't buy it was Stusy at all. Wasn't it established preety clearly that they've been living for some time on Egghead?
Donflamingo was raised a world noble. Even just hearing that you’re royalty can spoil someone to insanity: maybe Donflamingo was weaker to that sort of corruption. So it’s less EVIL than corruptible by tyrannical power (and the fear of letting someone else have that power, and using it against you)
I could see the gorosei not letting Vega Punk use Doffys blood because he was a tenryubito
I want to see S-Bat, but I want S-Bat to be like Moriah before he was defeated by Kaido and had his will destroyed.
That'd be wild
I've said it once and I'll say it again: I think that the imposter is Commander Catarina Devon from the Blackbeard Pirates, the user of the Fox Fox Fruit: Model Ninetails.
The biggest reasons are:
1) Blackbeard knows Vegapunk is important;
2) Catarina Devon uses heels;
3) She can shapeshift.
It is extremely easy for her to infiltrate in Egghead island with her fruit's powers. It would also theoretically enable her to fool the Seraphim into obeying her orders.
You may be right because Blackbeard was in "wow" when he witnessed S-Hawks strength and right now it appears that Blackbeards commanders are splitting up on different missions.
I can imagine Doflamingo and S-Flamingo working together to do evil, but also trying to take eachother out because both want to be the leader. (if S-Flamingo is evil like the Dolfamigo)
The one you should worry about is law’s seraphim, imagine if it can use the immortality surgery
There wont be a law seraphim. There are only the OGs Samurais because vegapunk needs a lot of time to work on the clones and law joined way to late. Also, Law is a doctor, i think he wouldnt let take off his blood as well
I guess this would really settle the Rocinante-Doflamingo Nature vs Nurture conflict.
Doffy's genes would be straight up evil if S-Flamingo, who had none of his life experiences, ended up randomly starting a death game.
i dont think it would be random. doflamingo hated his dad for controlling him, and he shot him. if sflamingo’s dad is technically vegapunk and hes been kept on an island without free will, he would likely be very upset lol
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@@bennett4789 I assumed Doffy hated his dad for denying him his "rightful place" as a Celestial Dragon.
Who’s ready for S-hawk S-croc and S-clown to form the cross guild 2
20 minute intro for my snake facts.
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I don’t see there being an s-flamingo. I doubt the Gorusei would’ve approved of a clone with the blood of a world noble. Doffy’s bloodline isn’t exactly hidden knowledge.
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Doflamingo was able to do a copy of himself with his ability : Black Knight. Well, I think if he can make a copy of himself, he can make copy of other people, therefore, S-Flamingo is capable of the same thing. If that is the case, S-Flamingo could make a copy of St Saturn or other Gorosei and command the other seraphim to do as he please.
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if he is rogue is probably because he's got celestial dragon blood in him, which would most likely be what allows him to command the other seraphim
Yeah that’s what I thought. There Gorosei don’t have authority chips so it must be linked to their dna - CD blood
5:15 S-flamingo was never given orders, saying he's just doing what he wants isn't even breaking the rules.
If he's found and ordered to protect vegapunk at any point he probably has to take that order, but he has no orders currently.
Thanks for providing the stills of Doffy pulling the trigger since I wanted to see the barrel. It matches the assailants weapon more than any other gun so far, and since the satellites are vegapunk, that would make them all his father which is practically in his blood to hate him.
One pair of glasses too rule them all
there could also be a vegapunk seraphim with its own satellites which could explain why when people see the traitor they're always almost shocked
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1077 is when my suspicion went from Edison to Atlas. I looked at Atlas' hair and now noticed the curly parts look almost identical to the silhouette taking out the cameras. I almost panicked when I then realized she is the last one to be attacked by a Seraphim or anything recently. Pythagoras' body was blown up by S-Snake. York was petrified by S-Snake. Edison was beaten by S-Shark. Lilith was petrified by S-Snake. And Shaka was shot in the head. Atlas was not attacked. 1077 did not show Pythagoras' head ever since he cheered on Lilith, so I don't know if he's stone yet. Either it's Atlas, or multiple in unison. When you brought up the sea beast mech's inherent violence, I was reminded that Atlas is the Violent satellite and the beasts were attacking Cipher Pol for months! And I never forgot that they sync with Records once a day, but I know how to bypass that. There's a TV show about an AI that was capable of self-awareness, so its creator set it to delete its memory once a day to prevent evolution. The crippled AI eventually figured this out and arranged for servers to preserve itself. So hypothetically Satellites could use secret external drives to store incriminating info and make sure they dump the info during daily syncs and then reupload it. I am very hesitant to assume there's any Seraphim other than the 4 with no mention so far, but I would enjoy seeing S-Flamingo.
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“Boa is a little bit narcissistic, and a little bit arrogant, okay a lot arrogant, but I wouldn’t call her evil.”
Kicking puppies.
I could see a situation where seraphi flamingo doffy ripped the command chips out of the others and convinced them to follow his lead.
Doflamingo scurrying into the kitchen at 4AM looking for shredded cheese
The biggest thing holding me back from calling a definite "traitor" is something that I'm surprised no one has brought up yet. Although, granted, it might just be an issue with the translation I'm reading. When Shakka goes to free Vegapunk, Vegapunk notices someone behind Shakka and asks "Oh? Who's that you brough with you?". This, at least to me, implies that it's not actually someone Vegapunk is familiar with. If it was someone Vegapunk knew, he would have said something like "Oh, you are here too, xy?" but instead he specifically asks Shakka who the other person is, as he doesn't recognize them. Now, it might just be Caribou who shot Shakka, hence why Vegapunk doesn't recognize him, who's working with the actual traitor. Still, I find it odd that Vegapunk didn't recognize the person who shot Shakka, so that eliminates the Satelites as well as the Seraphim in my book - at least for now.
Perhaps, though there's always the chance that line was translated poorly.
But idk, how would I know?
I know, that's why I said it might just be an issue with the translation i'm reading. gonna have to wait for official releases later today
21:40 Tekking finally found an accent he can do
i genuinely believe that the traitor isn’t actually a trator but just Saturn and the reason why is pretty simple the silhouette we saw looked a lot like him and the „ktok“ sound we hear/see is just his cane that he uses when walking
Only issues with that, the Silhouette also looks exactly like S-Bear, and the Ktok is a footstep sound used for Shaka and also for S-Snake.
I really like idea of S Flamingo and S Croc working together bc it would be a call back to Doffy wanting to work w Croc and their talking at Paramount War iirc
Okay so we will set up the security protocol
First is the gorosei
Second are the rest of the celestial dragons
Kong
Dr vegapunk
Etc.....
Okay S Flamingo is done... Wait... What do you mean doflamingo was a celestial dragon?!?! The seraphim has higher clearance than us! Oh no!!!
I like the idea that it actually is seraphim doflamingo or s-flamingo and that he uses the ito ito no mi and is the reason for the weird occurrences and things moving by themselves. Maybe he also arrived with the rest of the seraphim but stayed back and intentionally did so he couldn't receive orders and is currently controlling everything with his strings. Maybe he's controlling someone with authority to order the rest of the seraphim or he's straight up controlling the seraphim (?) Sounds really out there but that would be cool if it were true.
I wonder if the chain of command is tied to the celestial dragons instead of just the gorosei and since he was a celestial dragon he could give out orders too.
Which is another reason I feel like they may have decided against cloning him to begin with
Seraphim Doffy could control all the others because he's a clone of a celestial dragon which could give him authority.
Out of all the former warlords, the only one who is really shown to be a traitor is blackbeard. If anything, Doflamingo seems to have a strong distaste for betrayal, considering he killed both his brother and his father for betraying him.
21:27 yeah haha! Taipans are no joke, even out in the suburbs we get them, although they're not super common. Generally we're wary of all snakes, 'stand still and scream your head off' is something we got taught in schools as they're more likely to react to movement than sound.
25:20 don't worry you'll be fine! Especially in winter as the sneks are all hibernating and the spiders have mostly died off haha, can't say the same about the cockroaches and ants though :P
The thing with you can't program out instinct could also apply to what's happening with Kuma
Him being tyrant? Not bad.
@@haywoodlunsford4238 i thought more about instinctively having a grudge against Mariejois after what he endured.
@@RayAkuma oh yeah I forgot about that but didn't they say instinct and not grudge or memory though?
@@haywoodlunsford4238 well many Animals, even some with little intelligence instinctively hold a grudge against abusers. Therefore and because Oda takes a spin at real life facts and events every now and again i could see it. Like healing Teeth by drinking Milk. I always wondered why old people get dentures instead of some milk.
5:34 I believe they have their own sentient to act on their own. It’s most likely with the theory that the Seraphims are trying to break away from the creator.
8:06 Ahh that makes me think of CP0 returning S Bear. In official translation I think they just call him a "giant brat." But it is kinda implied that there is issue w S Bear I think, right? Like it is a bit defective in some way? So that premise is established if there is an issue w S Flamingo
I think it’s S-Flamingo & S-Gator working together. What if the Pacifista rank of command had all celestial dragons on top and not just the elders. That would give S-Flamingo authority over himself and the others.
And to address the “ktok” sound effect, the consensus is that it’s a high heel sound, what if it’s S-Gator. Referencing Crocodile’s history with Iva, if Croc is genetically female then the clone would be too and therefore more likely to wear high heels.
Something I've been wondering about, could the Satellites have Devil Fruits other than Vegapunk's Nomi Nomi no mi? Because to me the fact they need to synchronize with Punk Records suggests that they don't actually have the Nomi Nomi no mi's ability. Do you have any thoughts about that?
This is kinda funny that this video is out cause Jonathan majors did a photo shoot as dolflamingo for ebony magazine he looked amazing he would be a amazing dolflamingo
The only person it could be is Captain Morgan.
Why not Caesar and Judge ? after the last episode I was thinking that the whole purpose of the emotionless excursion was to establish the revenge story of those two. They are smart an eeeeevil and the more likely to figure out how to infiltrate egghead
Doflamingo is called the heavenly demon after all, and as a seraphim he has lunarian blood who were called God's and look like fallen angels 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I don’t know if it’ll come true, but it would be fucking hilarious if there’s a buggy seraphim that is actually the STRONGEST of the seraphim by a mile or smth, like buggy has some ridiculous potential or genetics that he just never tapped into and could be absurdly strong if he ever gave a shit his entire life, I could just imagine vegapunk explaining his existence and how he awakened his devil fruit in like a month or smth absurd and has crazy strong conquerors haki so he had to put him in stasis
What if S-Flamingos security protocol does not work properly because he is technically a Tenryubito! Wich are higher in the Commandprotocol then Vegapunk or CP0. That would also be a reason why one of the Gorosai is on the way, they are the highest authority known to Vegapunk, even above a normal Tenryubito and the only ones who can command S-Flamingo!
Meanwhile, Bonney in Kuma’s Memory world has no idea anything is going on
We seem to be forgetting the fact that the reason S-Bear was being returned to EggHead was because it was "defective" in the first place according to CP0
Fighting for their freedom... This made me think Monkey D. DRAGON, he fights for freedom and against the WG (seraphim being their strongest and "most loyal" soldiers would make them the prime target to liberate) dragon having history with Vegapunk in a weird way (the "betrayal" at ohara where he was shocked at vegapunk "becoming a dog of the WG" and the unknown stuff with kuma that we're digging into with bonny), luffy at last getting the first contact with his father (not in any way anyone expected) and getting into the final stretch of the story this would be the perfect time to finally expand on the character!
What's weird about it is that the seraphims don't exist for that long. How long did it take to capture all the CP agents? Did the saraphims already exist at that point? And why would they capture the agents? Did they had the plan to betray vegapunk for that long?
Lucci said they've been sending them to the island for the past 2 months.
S flamingo being a clone of a royal might be why he can act on his own
Could you do a video focused on which pirates destroyed an island offscreen
Those glasses look much better than I tought they would in real life.
I had a similar idea to the "defective Seraphim" thing, but I actually thought of Blackbeard (S-Hippo?). That maybe there was something about Blackbeard's "strange body" that Vegapunk didn't know and account for.
24:33 no joke, that sounds like a interesting videogame.
I would check it out.
The traitor its gott be york
It wasn't a bullet but an extremely small tonfa thrown with enough force to headshot that daft punk dude. Thats RIGHT! GIN! IS! BACK!!!! we missed you buddy welcome back after approx million chapters. The kreig pirates have spent the past 2 and a bit years (in universe time) and have been collecting all the past defeated east blue villians.
The idea that Doflamingo would make himself a sandwich instead of having some staff make it is indeed weird
Hey, I'm early! As long as I'm here, I'd like to suggest a video where you talk about what the strongest Devil Fruit combinations would be
I agree with corruption theory. Remember Jimbei questioned what would happen if punk records were every corrupted & the consequences of that