Special Assignment : Skeletons of Cuito Cuanavale Part1 05 July 2015
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2015
- Almost three decades after the biggest battle since World War II was fought on the African continent, mechanical skeletons litter the landscape of southern Angola and many deadly dangers in the form of landmines remain hidden in the soil, taking their toll on innocent civilians.
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End speculation! Why did Cuba killed their own general after Quito?
In 1987 or 1988 I saw an endless column of damaged SADF armoured vehicles , caspirs and bufolo were among them. The vehicles were transported on the road between oshakati and Ondangwa heading to Ondangwa on recovery vehicles as they could not move on their own. Some vehicles had holes throughout their bodies. Is anyone with information on this? How they got damaged and where were they when it happed?
Yes losses on booth side, but also the turning point for the the apartheid apologist. This was a battle which if went on SADF would not be able to sustain. Therefore negotiation started.
@@veronreddy241 thanks Veron. Keep well
we all were the victims of the cold war , now the machinery of the USA and Allied is continuing in Lybia ,Syria , Yemen or somewhere else , We Angolans have good relationship with South-Africans , what happened is a part of history both sides , Viva Africa
Well said ...
Salute me amigo - my attempt at Portuguese.
Nobody that takes part in a war actively wins. Ask the family of those that never returned.
We, the dumb people, listen to our politicians, and only wake up after the dust is settled, when those that started the war, have taken all they can, and left the country with the loot and their family's in tact, while we remain and try to assemble the pieces.
Respect to my fellow Africans, from an ex soldier that was there.
NSIMBA Marcelo, not true.
Nsimba - SA never had to fight with Angolan people. we only ever tried to help keep communism out of Angola, in one way we succeded, but at a terrible cost to your country... for that i'm sorry. but i'm not sorry that we stopped communism in it's tracks and helped bring down the USSR
we won the battle but were sold out by the politicians!!!!
Who’s we?
No one won the battle, it was a stalemate. The SADF had no intention of taking Cuito. The objective was to keep the enemy at Cuito and the SADF did that. The SADF could not advance and the Cubans and Angolans could not advance.
SADF won. If Fapla won why did they not push through to Unita base after Quito ?
bottom line: 3000 South African troops operating on their own border, against 30,000-50,000 troops flown in from across the world, to fight an ideological battle.
an incredibly dangerous group of people. and i dont mean militarily ofcourse, but rather ideologically.
And the commies still lose the battle. This fact should show them how pathetic they are.
The dream some live in.
Are these 3000 men wherein Quito or elsewhere in Angola?
FAPLA:
4,768 dead
10,000+ wounded
94 tanks lost
65 APCs lost
12 aircraft shot down
Cuba:
42 soldiers dead
7 pilots dead
3 pilots POW
70 wounded (UNITA claim)
6 tanks lost
6 aircraft shot down
Soviet Union:
4 dead (UNITA claim)
31 wounded (UNITA claim)
South Africa:
86 dead
90 wounded
5 tanks lost (2 recovered)
5 Ratels lost
6 other armoured vehicles lost
2 aircraft shot down
1 aircraft crashed
The Cuban army / airforce never defeated the South African forces, and the Cubans know that very well, despite what they say or would make the world believe. They received a serious klap from the SADF, and, if the South African forces were larger than 3,000 troops, they would have destroyed the Cubans completely.
So, that is why the boers agreed to give Namibia its freedom after so many years? Don't you see how contradictory that is? the bush war's purpose was to keep SWAPO at bay, thus preventing the independence of Namibia, so to sign a peace treaty where you agreed to give up your claim to Namibia in exchange for a foreign army to leave proves your leaders were not so convinced they'd lose the war in the long run. If they did not believe that, they'd never have agreed to leave Namibia. They had refused United Nations calls to do so in the past.
Amazing how you know everything Mr Lawrence! SA handed over Namibia on our terms which was the Cuban/Russian threat defeated at Cuito as well as the end of the cold war therdore the end of communist expansion in Africa.
Of course it is always hard to agree that you were defeated, how ever maybe SADF can agree then that they were repelled from Angola. Think of 1975, they almost reach Luanda, but later they were driven away by Cuban, yet they (SADF)still denying that they were defeated by Cuban, what a pathetic. This ex-soldier on the video says the true, he knows what was going on in the ground better then those naive commenting here communism, communism blaa blaa etc..
It is interesting that this particular battle is historically consider the turning point of post world war 2 colonialism. Both sides claim victory but as an American the military victory is not the endgame- the political agreement is. The SADF like the US military was never defeated on the battlefield but loses the political goals. I would agree tactical victories were achieved especially with a smaller force but in the end the SADF withdrew- why?? Military Analyst point out the Cubans achieved air superiority, the Soviet missile defenses made air to ground support very difficult, and the South African public was wary/sensitive of any high casualties. Hence military superiority could not dictate the peace agreement. The Cubans Russians East Germans did their job. Within South Africa the ANC viewed this as the beginning of the end for Apartheid South Africa. With eventual peace I wonder how much has changed except each nation has a new political elite that stick their hands in the public trough at the expense of the people they fought for.
@Joshua张志鸿 in defeat
Another glorious victory for the SADF! ..... Uh, shome mishtake shurely ...?
it was a millitary victory but politicaly im not so sure
Am humoured. So he doesn't want to go in with a shiny 4x4 but he goes on a bicycle loaded with shiny what-you-needs to make a statement.... photo opportunity is what gets me at this time.
Always remember ... Respect is earned ... you fore sake you right to it ...
I still searching for truth, who really won these battles,or rather this war,was there really winner or has been a stalemates?I am asking these questions because from both sides of the were involved every claiming to be the winner.So I don't know whom to believe anymore.
SA had two goals to stop Cuba coming further South and to push them back to where they started from... they achieved both, then at the negotiation table they agreed to leave Angola only if Cuba left as well. Cuba was forced to leave... SA one.....on the battle field Cuba lost nearly 5000 soldiers SA lost 31.... Cuba lost 9 Migs SA lost 3 Mirages... Cuba lost around 90 tanks and APNC and other vehicles SA lost 3 tanks all recovered and around 6 other vehicles.... Cuba lost two of the Soviet unions latest anti air launchers the SA 8 one South Africa kept the other we gave to the CIA.... SA forces kept the Formation in battle while the FAPLA and CUba forces break ranks and ran... 47th FAPLA bigrade was completely destroyed by SA and the 16th was left in tatters and forced to retreat being combat inefective after that.... so ground battle was a complete success for SA.. in desperation Castro executed his top general and took personal control of the war sending in more troops being the told number of Cubans to around 45 000 Facing SA's 3000 - actually by that time SA had withdrawn it's troops so there where only 2000 in the combat area..... Cuba threated to attack and invade South west Africa but before that peace agreement was reached and they where all forced to withdraw.... what Cuba didnt know at the time was SA had been calling up 14 000 additional troops to counter the 45 000 Cuba braught in..... whats funny is people always say SA was the invader... but SA was asked to come in and help.... SA also only ever had as much as 3000 troops in ANgola... thats is hardly an invasion force... Cuba on the other handle pushed there way in.... and they always had far more troops in Angola troops they stationed at various cities.... thats sounds more like what an occupying force would do... get lots of tropps in and take over towns and cities... SA never took over any towns in Angola they stayed in the bush , they never had an occupying force, just one to push the Cubans back to where SA felt they would be safe... hope this helps make up your mind
@@Ghoulza Que raras las victorias sudafricanas que en vez de encaminarlos a concretar sus objetivos políticos se materializaron los objetivos angolanos, namibios y cubanos, que raro.
@@Lucianramone i see you have fallen for Cuban propoganda.... SA never wanted to be in Angola, they where asked to help but the US and by Unita.... their only goals where to get Cuba and USSR out of Angola.... and that is exactly what they achieved..... there was no political goal, this was a fight to push communism out and let the Angolans decide their own fate, with no Russian interferance.... remember SA had 3000 soldiers in Angola, Cuba had close to 60 000, which force do you think was trying to occupy Angola? SA with only 3000 or Cuba with 60 000? think next time you try take me on
@@Ghoulza 1. There is no truth on here, watch other video clips of your own comrades who in turn visited the operational area after the war to make peace with themselves and so many choppers were downed during the war.
2. By 1975 why did you invaded Angola, answer this question. Did you knew that Cuban were there?
3. SA lost the war that is the fact and all are history now.
4. It is sad to those not returned.
@@mwanykange "By 1975 why did you invaded Angola, answer this question" simple, The USA asked us to invade. long answer is the USSR was going into Angola, the Civil war had destabalized the area and the USSR was trying to put a puppet government in place, same as they had done in North Korea and Vietnam. USA ask SA to go in and stop them, and that is what we did. the USSR never got their hands on Angola.
"SA lost the war that is the fact and all are history now." really? so is the USSR in control of Angola? nope, ok so we won since keeping them out of our goal.... sorry but you have very little understanding on what was happening... you think SA went in their to take over... that was never the case. it was all to stop the USSR and terrorists.
"There is no truth on here, watch other video clips of your own comrades who in turn visited the operational area after the war to make peace with themselves and so many choppers were downed during the war." this show you have no concept of war.... you also have no understanding of what the men went through and how they where treated then and now.... soldiers from every war in history have gone through this..... "so many choppers were downed during the war." this means nothing... you need to quantify this statement with something for it to make sense
Proud of Cuban help. It was more genuine than the help from the west. They always defended and protected their cousins in SA and Rhodesia.
Sadly True ... yes ... but not completely true ...
Bierpens well it’s subject to which group you belong to. We were desperate to be free.
Uhm ... we were desperate to give all South Africans a sense of pride and belonging ... but it was safety first at any cost ... Today I am sorry to say ... but being free in South Africa is not at all safe ...
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Bierpens you were not interested in the well being of our people. Terror ruled us all the time. We had no place in our own land. The current crime is a package of democracy. It’s every where. May be during apartheid our people were afraid of the apartheid machinery
The SADF were exceptional in their tactics and and fighting abilities. The cubans/soviets/abgolans know they were beaten. The SADF never wanted to take Cuito Cuanevale.
SADF won. The stats are available now showing the casualties on both sides, tanks etc and aircraft destroyed and it is clear that SA inflicted more than 4000 casualties on FAPLA and Cuban forces while suffering only about 1/10th or less in casualties.
Also the Cuban commander during that battle was executed by Castro afterwards - hardly a sign of success I would suggest!
SADF was not fighting alone , how many soldiers were killed on UNITA side ?
@Christiaan Hollander SADF never fought alone , they relied on unita for infantry support , most of the SADF soldiers were in their ratels spread all over the place....read this book
"The cuban intervention in Angola, 1965-1991
Book by Edward George"
@Christiaan Hollander let us agree to disagree, i am curious you don't read a book by a scholar and yet you want me to watch a half baked ,one sided documentary , how convenient
No!!!.Its inconclusive. But off course both sides will argue. The point is SADF lost air superiority. Cuba at the time send over their latest air defense and fighter aircraft. The war was not sustainable.
@@veronreddy241 How did the SADF loose air superiority? We shot down more of the enemy planes than us loosing planes.
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02:10 Who won? If South-Africa had not gone belly-up, giving up 'apartheid', Namibia, and government; the Cubans would roll down whole the way to Pretoria... It would be quite illogical if South-Africa had won, to give it all up as a consequence of its victories! The failure that South-Africa did make was that it had not immediately supported Portugal from 1960 on wards with military involvement to keep Southern Africa stable and under control! Ideally, it ought to have united itself with Portugal, and Rhodesia, to keep business running...
The Cubans had no chance of rolling "all the way to Pretoria". They and their communist allies got heavily beaten at Cuito Cuanavale. So how would they roll all the way to Pretoria? Total nonsense. They lost 94 of their 155 tanks and at least 4,800 men dead. A Canadian missionary doctor told me of the evidence that the Cubans, Russians and Angolan communists had lost.
Pro apartheid south africans should have been kicked out bthey are lucky that there was ttuth and reconciliation
Jou p..s.
Los narradores siempre cuentan las cosas como quieren .y los perdedores también.
The biggest skeleton of Cuito Cuavale is what remained of the apartheid regime of South Africa and its imperialist dreams of having a white empire over conquered black Africans in the southern part of thr African continent. There is a bustling economy of Angola which is a big oil producer and resource rich Namibia . And even Congo is now free. So is Zimbabwe. Where are those South Africans now.
there was never an imperialist dreams of having a white empire over conquered black Africans... But there was a communist dream of grabbing Angola and exploiting it... you can thank SA for stopping that
@@Ghoulza they always call everyone imperialist , almost as if most of them dont know what that even means
@@mcsmash4905 yea it's the brainwashing they went through.... many turned fighters said that once they actually met south african soldiers and spoke to them, experience first hand who they where, they realized they had been lied to and turned to help SA fight against swapo and the others....many still believe those lies. power of propaganda
ouch.
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