"reliable" and "durable" are different things in this case, look up "Will the US Army Adopt the Magpul PMag? US Army Explores Procurement of “Polymer Magazines” [NDIA 2017]" various branches of the military have performed a battery of tests and found that the m3 pmag is the MOST reliable, even hilariously more reliable than the EMAGs that the army made specifically to be more reliable than the old usgi mags. lancer mags were among the worst in reliability. many departments and branches are dropping lancers and moving to pmag clearly these drop tests show that the lancers are more DURABLE however, or at least seemingly so. I also know the pmags eventually suffer feed lip fatigue (which is why they come with the plastic caps), i have a few AK pmags that did not come with the plastic caps and over 2-3 years of competition use and keeping them frequently loaded they are already starting to malfunction so it does not seem like there is a clear answer as to which one is "better", personally i stock up on both. as with any investment, diversifying is a good idea
@@rodiculous9464 army procurement is based on cost availability and good enough. In that order. The cheaper option will win. If both items cost the same then the the company with greater production will win.
@@EIGHTY7graphics, it is a fair point to say that one should expect their "tools" to be able to take a beating, and if they cannot, then they are unreliable and should be replaced, though I would agree that it is not entirely necessary to be torture testing the rifle to get his point across. Still, I would rather have a Magpul than one of those Lancer mags if they drop rounds that reliably. And I would be willing to bet that the Magpul PMAG would still feed properly, though I would not want to rely upon it outside of a dire situation and then, just the once, after that it is in the trash and a new one in its place.
@@thors_bane The PMAG was the one failing, are you confused?! Which issue is more problematic? Drop your rifle and mag falls apart dumping all rounds, baseplate, follower and spring? Or drop a mag by itself and a couple rounds pop out? You be the judge.
You know you can drop a mag without dropping the gun attached to it, right? lol. You could surely find other ways to simulate the weight of the rifle. Damn son!
I was initially skeptical of this video, so I decided to go out and test this for myself. Magpul has a lot of QC blunders from time to time so I was think your mag was one of them. So I took my rifle and my PMAGs, stripped the ranger plates off two of the 4. Brought 2 lancer mags. I decided that dropping them from my shoulder hight 5’4” wasn’t enough. So I stood on my truck bed and dropped them at 9 feet. The Regular gen 3 PMAG survived 2 drops and 19 drops, both the gen 3 with ranger plates survived all 20 drops and one lancer cracked up the spine rendering it broken at 4 drops. The other survived them all as well. The mag catch ledge on all magazines had some damage. The gen 3 regular magazine that survived 19 drops failed because the mag catch had gouged its way out and the magazine wouldn’t stay inserted. The other notable thing was one of the gen 3 with the ranger plates developed a crack completely from the spine to the mag catch. The lancer that survived had a slightly out of spec feed lip that wouldn’t like feeding rounds on the furthest side from the ejection port. I have handpress for steel mags from being a PMI in the Marines for a bit and that brought it back in spec enough to run flawlessly. If it was the apocalypse I’d pick the PMAGs because I could fix them with super glue or tape. They are admittedly brittle now. I emailed magpul and they are sending out 2 new magazines after wanting pictures. Lancer hasn’t responded but I’ll update when they do.
@@awsomedude9111 idk it’s just got a number on it, i tactfully acquired it. 44573 *****ede ^i think that’s the name, it’s smooshed. It’s a hand press. I think the USMC got them for armorers so if you find one of them they May remember. I took this one when we switched to PMAGs
Being a Mechanical Engineer (4 year BEME) with extensive knowledge in molding, metal stamping and FEA I'll throw my experience in on this. Looking at the Lancer, being translucent, I can almost be sure they are using polycarbonate. There could be 5% glass fill in the material. I have a very strong feeling by looking at both, the magpul has up to 35% glass in theirs. The reason for this is the strength called creep / rupture. Over time polycarbonate will begin to deform while under a load. Magpul adds the glass to add strength to this property so they do not have to use metal for the feed lips. Polycarbonate alone would fail very quickly. I also upon cutting a section of plastic from the Magpul there is a blend. They may be adding polyamide to the mix also. Polyamide is the material electrical connectors are made from under the hood of your car. This is one tough material and if made of just 35%GF PA, it would bot break but you wouldn't be able to afford it either. Polyamide as a film is used to wrap electrical transformers and as cooking bags for you Thanksgiving turkey. This material can withstand temperatures up to 400F with no affect on it's properties.Plastics can withstand momentarily loads far exceeding it's normal operating stresses, meaning it will "bounce back" so to speak and have no lasting damage or result in failure. Glass will diminish this property in plastic but offers rigidity and extended load capacity over time. Aluminum also has issues with accumulated stress I don't have the time to get into.On the test you did, it was done in a non scientific manner. Dropping the mags by hand will never result in the same forces. The vectors change the resulting forces drastically. I believe you did prove the point that there are issues with the Magpul Gen2 but this is the reason they have revisions. Drop to destruction test do not prove everything as time and exposure also weighs in. To be accurate the test needs to be done in a fixture with a dead fall weight so every mag gets the exact same exposure to forces. I can give you formulas for impact for drop but you also have to factor in the stopping distance. Did each mag have the exact same play and spring force in the weapon? This will make an astronomical difference in the exerted forces. Heat from the inside of a vehicle can get up to 170F down here in South Florida. This alone can cause failure of poly w/o glass while under a load.Let me know if I can help out. It is interesting and helpful for someone to take the time to make this video.Thanks,Robertformer 1/75th Ranger Bn, 10th SFGA.
Thanks for the insight. I think that this test plus the gen3 test has told me all I need to know for now. Lancers and gen3 pmags for serious use. Gen2 and aluminium D&H mags for casual use. The big takeaway for me was how much difference there is between a gen2 and a gen3. For me a pmag was just a pmag and I didn't pay much attention to what gen it was. I think there are a lot of people out there that don't know. Thank you for your service.
Won't deny your a smart cookie. However, how a mag functions or fails in a combat environment is the deciding factor. 100% of all combat takes place in the field, 0% in a controlled environment. No two drops will ever be the same in combat. The test seems sloppy in a way, but it is very real regardless.
I know that...I broke 2 M16's while in the 1/75th Rgr Bn. We dove to the ground head first slamming the butt stock to the ground and direct the roll direction so when we get up for the next advancement we do not rise on the same but alternating sides...you live longer. Rangers have the absolute best IMT in the world. We could tear up a carbide bowling ball in a padded room... The army did drop polymer mags a while back. Lockheed gave us a few of their newest rockets. We strapped them on our rucks and went to the field for 2 weeks. We met up with some reps from Lockheed and some Army admins after that. Everyone of them failed to fire. They tried blaming us, but we told them this is the way we operate. We don't baby gear. It has to function or we don't use it. We were still using 90mm Rocket launchers designed for WWII in the 80's. It's just a steel tube...can't F it up...
BadCow lmao rite!! I thought he was just going to release the clip at a normal height the clip may fall from when holding your rifle, and I was like “oh that’s smart” but then he dropped the whole damn gun 😂😂😂😂
I just purchased my first Lancer mag today and the first thing I noticed was the reinforced steel. You can feel the different in the quality. I'm with you lol
Last year I found the non-translucent L5AWM black mags for a ridiculous $9.79. So I picked up a case and set all but a few dozen presently using aside for a rainy day. I’d agree that if I can find them at reasonable rate it what I’ll buy first if given option, even hour I know I’ll never see the, at those prices again n I’m ok it’s that.
just wanted to say THANK YOU for this video! I am building an AR and got me a few of the Lancer smoke mags. I'd like to test them ruggedly like this too. For now I'd like to get a few more and stock up on GI mags too. cheers man
thank you for your time and effort.very insightful and helpful. i love P-mags,both 2nd gen and 3rd gen models for their smooth loading, feeding and good looks. and their ruggedness and reliability,i thought. while ive never had a problem with mine i rarely if ever abuse my equipment to that extent.its good to know what they can and cant take however. i also use the Lancers and really like the steel feed lips.i feel they offer important advantages over the P-mags and others in this area. while they do not feed quite as smoothly as P-mags (no steel/aluminum mags do) mine have never caused problems in use.i have noticed they will lose control of the top round on the rearward stroke if you slow stroke the charging handle.they always feed reliably anyway but it is something to be aware of.you shouldnt baby the CH anyway.rack that sucker like you mean it! i also use Troy magazines and find they feed very smoothly as well. i hate their floor plate design with its 3 locking tabs instead of everyone elses interlocking rail design.they seem good though. another mag im testing is the ProMag RMR roller mag.ive owned it a while now and from what i can tell its an excellent mag in all respects.very smooth loading and feeding,it has a very aggresive texture that looks good and works well.it seems to be a very good option. it is about 3/8" longer than other mags however. and finally i use Magpul yellow followers in standard G.I. aluminum mags which work very well.not quite as smooth feeding as polymer mags but good durable and reliable running nonetheless. and can take extreme temperatures and other abuse without a whimper.any of these mags will serve most folks very well. but looks like the Lancers are the top dawgs for extreme use.thanks again
I got a 10 pack of the Lancers from Brownells and a 10 pack for free from Palmetto when I ordered some cheap red-dot. I've grown a deep liking for the Lancer mags. They're clear and they are so light. They do give up a couple rounds on occasion when dropped but I see it as expelling roundsto spend the energy that would otherwise go into the body of the mag.
I read that PMag, had an issue with one of the FDE/sand color mags. The physical pigmentation made the magazine weaker. The black PMags supposedly don't have this problem.
This is the best AR Magazine (drop/torture) test I ever saw! Amazing results, thank you for your contribution... just a suggestion next time you can try wrapping and taping the rifle with something (maybe bubble wrap) to protect the rifle from serious damages, Thanks.
There are plenty of torture tests on magazines, but this one completes the circle. If anyone drops their rifle with the mag, they now have an idea of the possibilities. Thank you for your sacrifice!!! I know it must have been painful to drop your weapon, so we all can observe the results (this was extreme indeed..thank you again.)
Only recently have I gone over to the lancer mags, Got 12 of them at a recent gun show. I have now side lined ALL my magpul and GI mags. These things are great. Left one in my freezer, ran over it 3 times, left it in salt water for 48 hours, left it a brass polisher over night, multiple loaded drop tests, gave it my dog to chew on! Fired-reloaded and fired again 4 times. That’s 120 rounds out the same tortured mag and ZERO malfunctions! One primer did not fire but that is an ammo failure. Mag worked perfectly even after a full 30 days of this or that ass kickings.
You guys are awesome for making this video. I have only a few rifles but I really should do a drop test like you've done. I drop test my pistols, I really should drop test my rifles.
Great to see.. I quit buying them 2years ago when they kept cracking down the rear spine exactly like yours shown at drop 24.. . The only mags I buy are Lancer, ETS, and USGI..
I think this was a pretty good test. Thanks for doing it so that we don't have to. I bought all Lancer mags without checking any reviews and glad I did. You can tell just by looking at an LWM that it's going to hold up. Those steel feed lips are what sold me. There are tons of sales going on for 10 packs of the LWMs now, so get 'em while you can.
You're a braver man than me dropping your rifle like that. I have to wonder, at what were you shooting? And where did the bullets go? I have never liked any PMag or MagPul stuff. Great test dude! GREAT MUSIC at the end. Thanks for making this AMAZING video.
Having been a soldier for 23 years my solution would be just to pull out another mag and continue on. Interesting test though. Used Magpul in the sandbox never had any problems but I'd be willing to try the Lancers for grins
Thanks for the vid. Don't know that I could drop one of my rifles to test like this. But, I have one question. After the PMAG broke on the first test, and was obviously damaged, would it not be a good idea to grab another PMAG to test. That way any idea of a "bad" PMAG would be eliminated. If the second had the same issues, the point is proven beyond any doubt. Kinda sux as I have some PMAGS put aside for that day in the future. Does seem that I either need to be sure and not drop my rifle or consider Lancers or other backups. Seems that GI issue mags should be somewhat safe in this test. Again, thanks for risking damage to your gear to show this!
That is my question as well. I have several different kinds of magazines but looking at this from a statistical standpoint a 1 magazine pool does not make for good analysis. You would need to take multiple magazines from each brand.
Like many others, I almost died when you dropped your rifle... With that said, I appreciate you putting more weight into the drop than a loaded mag. I have a stack of Pmags for my 5.56/223 wylde guns, but exclusively run L5AWMs for my .300 guns... I'll duplicate this on my own (maybe I'll buy an airsoft gun of similar weight or something, since some will surprisingly seat magazines). I'm not ready to give up on Pmags entirely, but I'm thoroughly impressed by the Lancers that I already own. My biggest beef is a trivial one, that is blind reloads potentially chewing up my magwell... Which, in the grand scheme of things, is about concern #501 when it comes to magazines.
torture tested every single one of my pmags after watching this i had only a handful pass every single drop. most of them made it past 3 drops but after they popped open they continued to pop open every time i would drop them while loaded into my rifle. sorta bummed but non the less they will do great on the range. thanks for the vid!
Great video. I have the Pmags and love them. That being said I need Lancers in my arsenal too. I have GI Mags, Pmags, Hex Mags, Amend 2 Mags and need me some Lancer Mags. IMO the Lancer is the "Hybrid" Magazines. Thanks for the video!
@@japalian8082 Why do you think the USMC uses Magpul only? Why do you think the unintelligent loser who posted this video only tested with one single old Pmag with a loose plate? You're a moron, evidenced by your comment, and your username 😂🤡
it hurts to see that nice rifle being dropped but at least its not a safe queen. I tried the same thing with gen 2 pmags and had different results. could have been a bad mag. I am not a pmag diva but am happy to see that you found a good alternative other than standard gi mags. hex mags are nice along with the troy battle mags but they are a lil flimsy for my liking. I will have to grab a few lancer mags to base a true opinion on them. keep up the good vids man, just subscribed
After dropping the mags in the rifle pull back the charging handle to see if the rounds in the lancer will pop out of the feed lips. I am having this issue
After watching the whole test, I agree with your assessment. Personally, I do not think the test was necessary. In the earlier videos, you were merely expressing your opinion. I glad it was justified, but sorry that you had to prove you opinion to the detractors. The only thing that I would have added, is how you oriented the mags to drop them (just say fairly loudly) whether you were dropping them on the 'lips', 'floor plate', 'flat', or 'side' etc. especially for those of use who are watching on a fon, not a large pc monitor. EXCELLENT TEST!! CONGRATS! I hope the detractors are satisfied & go harass a different site!! you had to have said 'in my opinion at least half a dozen times in the earlier videos & said that you would continue to use the other mags. Some people are just looking for something to complain about!!!
I'm glad there's at least one other person out there who's not a fan of PMags. I like almost everything else Magpul does but after buying three M3 magazines and all of them giving me problems I just can't justify buying anymore.
I got on the Lancer train late in life, after I had already aquired a shitload of PMags. I don't have any clear Lancers though. Can't ever find them in stock anywhere.
man i appreciate your dedication but man! that was hard to watch! the Lancer L5 AWM is probably my favorite mag but im perfectly happy with my Magpul P-mags too. along with ETS clear and of course the GI aluminum surefeed mags from Okay Industries with Magpul yellow anti-tilt followers installed are my "trust my life to" mags. i also have a Promag RM rollermag that seems solid. i have a bunch of Troy battlemags that work well but ill never trust my life to because of the absolutely idiotic baseplate design. overall the Lancers are my favorite . although i never intend to stress mine to this level its nice to know they can take it. thanks a lot for your efforts.
thanks for the vid but I don't think this would put me off p-mags. that's a very unusual situation. I prefer 20 round GI mags, wonder how they would do in these tests.
Hey, hey, hey.. thats just an extra pmag feature to visually see how many rounds are left in the mag.. at the expense of the mag.. Now all thats needed is for Lancer to make cell phone cases.
I have had a pmag do the same thing when in fell from my hand onto a bedroom floor with wood laminate. it was topped off and the base came off and the spring and rounds flew everywhere
br54991000 a little late but he was referring to the second “your” in that sentence. He should have specified for some. “Take your optic off if you’re (you are) going to do this.”, is the correct usage. However, this is the internet so fuck it. 😂 I myself am no perfectionist when it comes to grammar, unless it’s for a grade.
good job with the drop test installed on the rifle however make sure you check your Optics and any other accessories you have on your rifle because with that much weight you could have easily damaged your optic or your forward
This proved two things. 1: lancer makes reliable mags. 2: magpul has a cult following. Great video
Yes, magpul does have glock derangement syndrome
"reliable" and "durable" are different things in this case, look up "Will the US Army Adopt the Magpul PMag? US Army Explores Procurement of “Polymer Magazines” [NDIA 2017]"
various branches of the military have performed a battery of tests and found that the m3 pmag is the MOST reliable, even hilariously more reliable than the EMAGs that the army made specifically to be more reliable than the old usgi mags. lancer mags were among the worst in reliability.
many departments and branches are dropping lancers and moving to pmag
clearly these drop tests show that the lancers are more DURABLE however, or at least seemingly so. I also know the pmags eventually suffer feed lip fatigue (which is why they come with the plastic caps), i have a few AK pmags that did not come with the plastic caps and over 2-3 years of competition use and keeping them frequently loaded they are already starting to malfunction
so it does not seem like there is a clear answer as to which one is "better", personally i stock up on both. as with any investment, diversifying is a good idea
@@rodiculous9464 we want nicer things than the US Army.
@@vockski3173 wtf is that supposed to even mean?
@@rodiculous9464 army procurement is based on cost availability and good enough. In that order. The cheaper option will win. If both items cost the same then the the company with greater production will win.
As painful as it is, I appreciate what youre doing. You torture your gear so that the rest of us dont have to!
This man has sacrificed his AR for the greater good✊ mad respect
What did your poor rifle do to deserve this treatment? I'm going to call child protective services because this is abuse!
Henry R You meant gun protective services since guns are at human🙃
@BestJob IveEverHad I wouldn't throw my tools on the floor like an idiot, much less any of my rifles.
tom tran whoosh
@@EIGHTY7graphics, it is a fair point to say that one should expect their "tools" to be able to take a beating, and if they cannot, then they are unreliable and should be replaced, though I would agree that it is not entirely necessary to be torture testing the rifle to get his point across.
Still, I would rather have a Magpul than one of those Lancer mags if they drop rounds that reliably. And I would be willing to bet that the Magpul PMAG would still feed properly, though I would not want to rely upon it outside of a dire situation and then, just the once, after that it is in the trash and a new one in its place.
@@thors_bane
The PMAG was the one failing, are you confused?!
Which issue is more problematic?
Drop your rifle and mag falls apart dumping all rounds, baseplate, follower and spring?
Or drop a mag by itself and a couple rounds pop out?
You be the judge.
Lol he also did a aimpoint torture test and a ar-15 torture test
I was like "tell me he's not gonna drop...." fuck
It was like being kicked in the balls...
+CountryBoyPrepper yes.. yes it was!
You know you can drop a mag without dropping the gun attached to it, right? lol.
You could surely find other ways to simulate the weight of the rifle. Damn son!
Can't say he didn't want a real test
At least take the optics off!!
Man I would love to see this test with more than a test sample of 1 for each brand.
Painful to watch but a great test, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I was initially skeptical of this video, so I decided to go out and test this for myself. Magpul has a lot of QC blunders from time to time so I was think your mag was one of them. So I took my rifle and my PMAGs, stripped the ranger plates off two of the 4. Brought 2 lancer mags. I decided that dropping them from my shoulder hight 5’4” wasn’t enough. So I stood on my truck bed and dropped them at 9 feet. The Regular gen 3 PMAG survived 2 drops and 19 drops, both the gen 3 with ranger plates survived all 20 drops and one lancer cracked up the spine rendering it broken at 4 drops. The other survived them all as well. The mag catch ledge on all magazines had some damage. The gen 3 regular magazine that survived 19 drops failed because the mag catch had gouged its way out and the magazine wouldn’t stay inserted. The other notable thing was one of the gen 3 with the ranger plates developed a crack completely from the spine to the mag catch. The lancer that survived had a slightly out of spec feed lip that wouldn’t like feeding rounds on the furthest side from the ejection port. I have handpress for steel mags from being a PMI in the Marines for a bit and that brought it back in spec enough to run flawlessly. If it was the apocalypse I’d pick the PMAGs because I could fix them with super glue or tape. They are admittedly brittle now. I emailed magpul and they are sending out 2 new magazines after wanting pictures. Lancer hasn’t responded but I’ll update when they do.
I gotta ask what is the Press called? Where can you get an aluminum/steel GI magazine feed lip press? saw some of the options on brownells
@@awsomedude9111 idk it’s just got a number on it, i tactfully acquired it.
44573
*****ede
^i think that’s the name, it’s smooshed. It’s a hand press. I think the USMC got them for armorers so if you find one of them they May remember. I took this one when we switched to PMAGs
12:29 "Don't talk." Lol.
'Murica! We got so many guns this fella can afford to drop his whole rig for YOUR benefit!!! Gawd dayum!! Thanks, CountryBoyPrepper.
Being a Mechanical Engineer (4 year BEME) with extensive knowledge in molding, metal stamping and FEA I'll throw my experience in on this. Looking at the Lancer, being translucent, I can almost be sure they are using polycarbonate. There could be 5% glass fill in the material. I have a very strong feeling by looking at both, the magpul has up to 35% glass in theirs. The reason for this is the strength called creep / rupture. Over time polycarbonate will begin to deform while under a load. Magpul adds the glass to add strength to this property so they do not have to use metal for the feed lips. Polycarbonate alone would fail very quickly. I also upon cutting a section of plastic from the Magpul there is a blend. They may be adding polyamide to the mix also. Polyamide is the material electrical connectors are made from under the hood of your car. This is one tough material and if made of just 35%GF PA, it would bot break but you wouldn't be able to afford it either. Polyamide as a film is used to wrap electrical transformers and as cooking bags for you Thanksgiving turkey. This material can withstand temperatures up to 400F with no affect on it's properties.Plastics can withstand momentarily loads far exceeding it's normal operating stresses, meaning it will "bounce back" so to speak and have no lasting damage or result in failure. Glass will diminish this property in plastic but offers rigidity and extended load capacity over time. Aluminum also has issues with accumulated stress I don't have the time to get into.On the test you did, it was done in a non scientific manner. Dropping the mags by hand will never result in the same forces. The vectors change the resulting forces drastically. I believe you did prove the point that there are issues with the Magpul Gen2 but this is the reason they have revisions. Drop to destruction test do not prove everything as time and exposure also weighs in. To be accurate the test needs to be done in a fixture with a dead fall weight so every mag gets the exact same exposure to forces. I can give you formulas for impact for drop but you also have to factor in the stopping distance. Did each mag have the exact same play and spring force in the weapon? This will make an astronomical difference in the exerted forces. Heat from the inside of a vehicle can get up to 170F down here in South Florida. This alone can cause failure of poly w/o glass while under a load.Let me know if I can help out. It is interesting and helpful for someone to take the time to make this video.Thanks,Robertformer 1/75th Ranger Bn, 10th SFGA.
sorry for the typo...BSME...
Thanks for the insight. I think that this test plus the gen3 test has told me all I need to know for now. Lancers and gen3 pmags for serious use. Gen2 and aluminium D&H mags for casual use. The big takeaway for me was how much difference there is between a gen2 and a gen3. For me a pmag was just a pmag and I didn't pay much attention to what gen it was. I think there are a lot of people out there that don't know. Thank you for your service.
Won't deny your a smart cookie. However, how a mag functions or fails in a combat environment is the deciding factor. 100% of all combat takes place in the field, 0% in a controlled environment. No two drops will ever be the same in combat. The test seems sloppy in a way, but it is very real regardless.
I know that...I broke 2 M16's while in the 1/75th Rgr Bn. We dove to the ground head first slamming the butt stock to the ground and direct the roll direction so when we get up for the next advancement we do not rise on the same but alternating sides...you live longer. Rangers have the absolute best IMT in the world. We could tear up a carbide bowling ball in a padded room... The army did drop polymer mags a while back. Lockheed gave us a few of their newest rockets. We strapped them on our rucks and went to the field for 2 weeks. We met up with some reps from Lockheed and some Army admins after that. Everyone of them failed to fire. They tried blaming us, but we told them this is the way we operate. We don't baby gear. It has to function or we don't use it. We were still using 90mm Rocket launchers designed for WWII in the 80's. It's just a steel tube...can't F it up...
That's right, "uncontrolled testing environment" thru and thru, lol
WOW dude, torture the magazines, not your rifle, geez.......
My rifle is fine. =)
I bet mine is FINER....lmao
I think I would have taken the optic off at least.
Holy shit I cannot watch this madness.
BadCow lmao rite!! I thought he was just going to release the clip at a normal height the clip may fall from when holding your rifle, and I was like “oh that’s smart” but then he dropped the whole damn gun 😂😂😂😂
I’m glad you were willing to sacrifice your equipment for the good of others. Thank you! 👍🏼
I just purchased my first Lancer mag today and the first thing I noticed was the reinforced steel. You can feel the different in the quality. I'm with you lol
Helpful review.
Thanks for the demonstration of both magazines.
Great Job 👍👍👍👍👍
keep these videos up! love them!
Awesome. I wanted to do a similar test, but you did it better. Thanks!
Great vid bro! Definitely going to check Lancer out now.
This is why you buy all different brand mags and not just one type. Try them all.
Glad I decided to fill my safe with Lancer mags.
Russell glad I decided on gen 3 pmags... never once have I had a jam or break one or anything and I use them often
As long as the followers don't break...
Last year I found the non-translucent L5AWM black mags for a ridiculous $9.79. So I picked up a case and set all but a few dozen presently using aside for a rainy day. I’d agree that if I can find them at reasonable rate it what I’ll buy first if given option, even hour I know I’ll never see the, at those prices again n I’m ok it’s that.
@Trevor Burgart waiting for that video...
Btw, brutal vid dude. Great research conducted at the mercy of your boom stick.
Great test, and I love the progression of the sweat on shirt.
My heart hurt when you dropped that rifle....and then you did it again!!! 😬😭
Pilotx86 .........and again, and again, and again, and again.
I have a hard time dropping a mag on a reload.
just wanted to say THANK YOU for this video! I am building an AR and got me a few of the Lancer smoke mags. I'd like to test them ruggedly like this too. For now I'd like to get a few more and stock up on GI mags too. cheers man
The lancer mag shot rounds out every time you dropped it outside the rifle. Yet no comments were made on that?
He said it was "normal"! Lol
I just bought a new ar 15, I am so excited to try this test!
That was painful to watch at times but thank you for doing this and showing the results.
thank you for your time and effort.very insightful and helpful.
i love P-mags,both 2nd gen and 3rd gen models for their smooth loading, feeding and good looks. and their ruggedness and reliability,i thought. while ive never had a problem with mine i rarely if ever abuse my equipment to that extent.its good to know what they can and cant take however.
i also use the Lancers and really like the steel feed lips.i feel they offer important advantages over the P-mags and others in this area.
while they do not feed quite as smoothly as P-mags (no steel/aluminum mags do) mine have never caused problems in use.i have noticed they will lose control of the top round on the rearward stroke if you slow stroke the charging handle.they always feed reliably anyway but it is something to be aware of.you shouldnt baby the CH anyway.rack that sucker like you mean it!
i also use Troy magazines and find they feed very smoothly as well. i hate their floor plate design with its 3 locking tabs instead of everyone elses interlocking rail design.they seem good though.
another mag im testing is the ProMag RMR roller mag.ive owned it a while now and from what i can tell its an excellent mag in all respects.very smooth loading and feeding,it has a very aggresive texture that looks good and works well.it seems to be a very good option. it is about 3/8" longer than other mags however.
and finally i use Magpul yellow followers in standard G.I. aluminum mags which work very well.not quite as smooth feeding as polymer mags but good durable and reliable running nonetheless.
and can take extreme temperatures and other abuse without a whimper.any of these mags will serve most folks very well. but looks like the Lancers are the top dawgs for extreme use.thanks again
"Thank you". I appreciate the undoubtedly gut wrenching test here.
Like a kick to the balls....
The best part of the video is that FDE little tikes car, Sweet!
I got a 10 pack of the Lancers from Brownells and a 10 pack for free from Palmetto when I ordered some cheap red-dot. I've grown a deep liking for the Lancer mags. They're clear and they are so light. They do give up a couple rounds on occasion when dropped but I see it as expelling roundsto spend the energy that would otherwise go into the body of the mag.
I read that PMag, had an issue with one of the FDE/sand color mags. The physical pigmentation made the magazine weaker. The black PMags supposedly don't have this problem.
Ha yeah right it's cause of the color makes it weaker.i call bullshit.shame on magpul
This is the best AR Magazine (drop/torture) test I ever saw! Amazing results, thank you for your contribution... just a suggestion next time you can try wrapping and taping the rifle with something (maybe bubble wrap) to protect the rifle from serious damages, Thanks.
There are plenty of torture tests on magazines, but this one completes the circle. If anyone drops their rifle with the mag, they now have an idea of the possibilities. Thank you for your sacrifice!!! I know it must have been painful to drop your weapon, so we all can observe the results (this was extreme indeed..thank you again.)
Dam I’m glad you did this test.
Thank you!
Thanks. Very helpful vid.
Wow this is surprising. Thanks for sharing!
Only recently have I gone over to the lancer mags, Got 12 of them at a recent gun show.
I have now side lined ALL my magpul and GI mags.
These things are great.
Left one in my freezer, ran over it 3 times, left it in salt water for 48 hours, left it a brass polisher over night, multiple loaded drop tests, gave it my dog to chew on!
Fired-reloaded and fired again 4 times.
That’s 120 rounds out the same tortured mag and ZERO malfunctions!
One primer did not fire but that is an ammo failure.
Mag worked perfectly even after a full 30 days of this or that ass kickings.
You guys are awesome for making this video. I have only a few rifles but I really should do a drop test like you've done. I drop test my pistols, I really should drop test my rifles.
Mind blown!! Thank You!!
Great vid, just subbed!
Good point!
Good video. You need to get one of the new daniel defense mags out for testing.
10:10 "Damaging muh bullets.."
As opposed to everything else?
😂😂
Scuffing up a gun ain't going to hurt it. But denting a casing or loosening a projectile from the neck can cause a really bad time
It costs more for bullets than guns now.
Great video!!! Subscribed!!!!
love your steel toe sandals ! At first I thought you were just going to eject a full mag onto the concrete ..... but you dropped the whole gun, damn!
Great to see.. I quit buying them 2years ago when they kept cracking down the rear spine exactly like yours shown at drop 24.. . The only mags I buy are Lancer, ETS, and USGI..
I think this was a pretty good test. Thanks for doing it so that we don't have to. I bought all Lancer mags without checking any reviews and glad I did. You can tell just by looking at an LWM that it's going to hold up. Those steel feed lips are what sold me. There are tons of sales going on for 10 packs of the LWMs now, so get 'em while you can.
You are correct sir, it does seem to be normal for the Lancer mag to cough up rounds routinely when dropped. Wish it didn't, but it does
You're a braver man than me dropping your rifle like that. I have to wonder, at what were you shooting? And where did the bullets go? I have never liked any PMag or MagPul stuff. Great test dude! GREAT MUSIC at the end. Thanks for making this AMAZING video.
Having been a soldier for 23 years my solution would be just to pull out another mag and continue on. Interesting test though. Used Magpul in the sandbox never had any problems but I'd be willing to try the Lancers for grins
Thanks for the vid. Don't know that I could drop one of my rifles to test like this. But, I have one question. After the PMAG broke on the first test, and was obviously damaged, would it not be a good idea to grab another PMAG to test. That way any idea of a "bad" PMAG would be eliminated. If the second had the same issues, the point is proven beyond any doubt. Kinda sux as I have some PMAGS put aside for that day in the future. Does seem that I either need to be sure and not drop my rifle or consider Lancers or other backups. Seems that GI issue mags should be somewhat safe in this test. Again, thanks for risking damage to your gear to show this!
Hey, I have a bunch of p mags too but have quit buying them and switched to Lancer. They are way more robust.
That is my question as well. I have several different kinds of magazines but looking at this from a statistical standpoint a 1 magazine pool does not make for good analysis. You would need to take multiple magazines from each brand.
Been running the lancers since they came out with the L5AWM, have replaced my magpuls with 'em.
Good thing you're wearing steel toe shower shoes. You could have aggravated the toe nail fungus.
Like many others, I almost died when you dropped your rifle...
With that said, I appreciate you putting more weight into the drop than a loaded mag. I have a stack of Pmags for my 5.56/223 wylde guns, but exclusively run L5AWMs for my .300 guns... I'll duplicate this on my own (maybe I'll buy an airsoft gun of similar weight or something, since some will surprisingly seat magazines).
I'm not ready to give up on Pmags entirely, but I'm thoroughly impressed by the Lancers that I already own. My biggest beef is a trivial one, that is blind reloads potentially chewing up my magwell... Which, in the grand scheme of things, is about concern #501 when it comes to magazines.
He'll yes. Great test.. Great series.
You have shown me it is time to ween myself off of magpuls title.
Thank you brotha
Hold off on that till I revisit this with a gen3 pmag. Thanks for watching!
All my buddies who have been in combat use Lancer mags in their civilian kit and bugout bag.
Would love to see you do the test again with GEN 3 PMAGS. Thanks for the torture test and your time.
I did. Look it up!
torture tested every single one of my pmags after watching this i had only a handful pass every single drop. most of them made it past 3 drops but after they popped open they continued to pop open every time i would drop them while loaded into my rifle. sorta bummed but non the less they will do great on the range. thanks for the vid!
Great video. I have the Pmags and love them. That being said I need Lancers in my arsenal too. I have GI Mags, Pmags, Hex Mags, Amend 2 Mags and need me some Lancer Mags. IMO the Lancer is the "Hybrid" Magazines. Thanks for the video!
Great video 👍🏽
Magpul fanboys will say you rigged it 🤣
@@japalian8082 Why do you think the USMC uses Magpul only? Why do you think the unintelligent loser who posted this video only tested with one single old Pmag with a loose plate?
You're a moron, evidenced by your comment, and your username 😂🤡
it hurts to see that nice rifle being dropped but at least its not a safe queen. I tried the same thing with gen 2 pmags and had different results. could have been a bad mag. I am not a pmag diva but am happy to see that you found a good alternative other than standard gi mags. hex mags are nice along with the troy battle mags but they are a lil flimsy for my liking. I will have to grab a few lancer mags to base a true opinion on them. keep up the good vids man, just subscribed
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What you've done is admirable, good info. Please give info on tactical flip flops.
They are Croc brand in tactical FDE of course.
My two favorite mags. Interesting!
Mine too.
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That's dedication son.
After dropping the mags in the rifle pull back the charging handle to see if the rounds in the lancer will pop out of the feed lips. I am having this issue
Damn.. good review. I'll be making the switch.
you just proved your point from the previous video.
OH SNAP!! I had a gun failure last week that I swear was because of the pmag. Thanks for the vid.
I want to see both after they've been exposed to as much UV as that Little Tikes car
Do you think the Gen3 mags would do better?
After watching the whole test, I agree with your assessment. Personally, I do not think the test was necessary. In the earlier videos, you were merely expressing your opinion. I glad it was justified, but sorry that you had to prove you opinion to the detractors. The only thing that I would have added, is how you oriented the mags to drop them (just say fairly loudly) whether you were dropping them on the 'lips', 'floor plate', 'flat', or 'side' etc. especially for those of use who are watching on a fon, not a large pc monitor.
EXCELLENT TEST!!
CONGRATS!
I hope the detractors are satisfied & go harass a different site!! you had to have said 'in my opinion at least half a dozen times in the earlier videos & said that you would continue to use the other mags. Some people are just looking for something to complain about!!!
Oh they are not satisfied at all. They are saying it's all invalid because the pmag was a gen2 and not a gen3 lol.
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oh and awesome video. my pmags will have to be range mags now.
I'm glad there's at least one other person out there who's not a fan of PMags. I like almost everything else Magpul does but after buying three M3 magazines and all of them giving me problems I just can't justify buying anymore.
That hurts to watch, thank you for doing this and passing on the info so we don't have to.
I'm glad folks like you drop your guns so I don't have to.
Oh no, it really hurts to watch the ar dropping with all gears attached, appreciate your video
Which gen PMAG was that? Also, you muzzle swept your cameraman (albeit the rifle was empty).
I got on the Lancer train late in life, after I had already aquired a shitload of PMags. I don't have any clear Lancers though. Can't ever find them in stock anywhere.
I disapprove of rifle abuse because others didn't agree with your previous vids lol
Right!? People don't like what he said so he beats the dogshit out of his rifle!? Oh the humanity!! Won't someone think of the children!?
what's the name of this song at the end?
man i appreciate your dedication but man! that was hard to watch!
the Lancer L5 AWM is probably my favorite mag but im perfectly happy with my Magpul P-mags too.
along with ETS clear and of course the GI aluminum surefeed mags from Okay Industries with Magpul yellow anti-tilt followers installed
are my "trust my life to" mags.
i also have a Promag RM rollermag that seems solid.
i have a bunch of Troy battlemags that work well but ill never trust my life to because of the absolutely idiotic baseplate design.
overall the Lancers are my favorite . although i never intend to stress mine to this level its nice to know they can take it.
thanks a lot for your efforts.
i laughed so hard when the pmag dropped. You just had this wtf look.
I was genuinely surprised.
Was this the pmag gen 3 or 2?
wow just saw these mags and this is the first video i clicked to see if they were good. Ill cancel the Pmags i have in the checkout cart thanks man
awesome torture test man ..;-) question though did you have to sight your rifle back in?
Nope. It held zero!
Damn...haha you got me laughing. what optic ? It was a Red Dot and Laser combo right
Just a red dot. Aimpoint CompM4.
thanks for the vid but I don't think this would put me off p-mags. that's a very unusual situation. I prefer 20 round GI mags, wonder how they would do in these tests.
Unusual to drop your gun with a mag inside instead of just the mag? Seems more usual to me
tacticalifornia did a video on lancer mags....feeling confused😨
Hey, hey, hey.. thats just an extra pmag feature to visually see how many rounds are left in the mag.. at the expense of the mag.. Now all thats needed is for Lancer to make cell phone cases.
I'm a bit surprised the steel feed lips didn't permanently deform, at least on the off side.
Honestly, so was I.
So you put an already damaged magazine back together and kept using it in the test? Why?
It still held up to 25 drops too. The lancer mag shot rounds out the top every time it was dropped but no comments made on that
Good test..whole system..rifle and magazine.
I have had a pmag do the same thing when in fell from my hand onto a bedroom floor with wood laminate. it was topped off and the base came off and the spring and rounds flew everywhere
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Thank you for this video. I love researching this stuff!
take your optic off if your going to do this
It's an Aimpoint CompM4. It was the least of my worries....and yes it held zero.
Take you are optic off? Garret was right, you're wrong grammar nazi.
br54991000 a little late but he was referring to the second “your” in that sentence. He should have specified for some. “Take your optic off if you’re (you are) going to do this.”, is the correct usage. However, this is the internet so fuck it. 😂 I myself am no perfectionist when it comes to grammar, unless it’s for a grade.
Own an optic that can withstand this kind of abuse in the first place. Anything that can't is cheap garbage.
los Angeleno yer*
Are these gen 3 pmags I here they changed there polymer anyway good enough for the USMC good enough for me!🤯🔫🥊
Gregory Hamilton i think they are gen 3. I dint think gen 2s has the window mags
good job with the drop test installed on the rifle however make sure you check your Optics and any other accessories you have on your rifle because with that much weight you could have easily damaged your optic or your forward
Yep. Will do. Everything seems fine so far.
It held zero!