This was very helpful! ...but please consider redoing the slides. The color of the font made it hard to read, and some slides were too fast. Maybe just put some text at the bottom while recording in practice mode? Like how StudBuddha does, except I love how yours is short and straight to the point. Don't have the patience for those hour long guides.
sablephoenix4rce Thanks,and sorry about the fonts and stuff,I made this video a long time ago,I have,since then,in my newer videos changed the font style and timing to make the tutorials more useful.I also set the slide timing in the speed at which I can easily read,please feel free to pause at any time the text goes by to fast.I could leave the text separately in annotations,if you feel that would help.
sablephoenix4rce Umm,I tried putting annotations,but the video was getting too clunky,so i scrapped em all.I tries editing the description with the text and timestamps listed,but apparently I can't editi it wothout removil all brackets.So here's the compiled list, Text relay: 0:01 Tekken tag tournament 2 Jin mental alertness cancel guide 0:07 Jin got his mental alertness stance in tekken 5 0:11 currently in TTT2 there are 2 variations of this stance 0:13 crouching demon stance(b+1) 0:15 zanshin(d+1+2) 0:18 the options from both of these stances are the same,though based on the stance the speed of the moves differ by 5 frames 0:20 CDS 1 0:23 CDS 1,2 0:25 CDS 2 0:27 CDS 3 0:29 CDS 4 0:31 CDS 1+2 0:35 CDS is more often used in matches for setups,evades and mixups as it has a fast 5 frame start-up and evades highs for a further 38 frames. 0:54 Zanshin is mostly used in combos as some moves cancel into it by holding F.These moves are as follows: 0:58 b+3,F 1:00 df+3,3,F 1:02 f+4,F 1:04 ws+1,2,F 1:06 b,f+2,3,F 1:08 In most cases b+3,f+4 and b,f+2,3 will be used to transition into ZAN.b+3,F as standard bound ender.b,f+2,3 after a hellsweep or in tag assaults 1:13-1:25 Using b,f+2,3,F in combos 1:26-1:31 Using b+3,F in a combo 1:34 f+4,F on the other hand has some specific uses.It is mostly used in wall tag assaults(more discussed later). 1:45 However both CDS and Zanshin can be cancelled.CDS can be cancelled into f,f and a crouch dash.While Zanshin can only be cancelled into a crouch dash but at a specific time. 1:49 CDS cancelled into a crouch dash by pressing DF 1:50 CDS cancelled into f,f by pressing f 1:51 Zanshin cancelled into crouch dash by pressing df 1:53 Of course all followups are available to you from these cancels.Pressing f+any from CDS does the respective f,f+any attack.Pressing df+any from CDS or ZAN does the respective cd+any attack.Pressing df,db,n,any from either stance does the respective ws+any attack. 1:59 CDS f+2 2:00 CDS df,db,n,2 2:01 CDS DF+1 2:05 The ability to cancel the Zanshin stance brings a new dimension to the f+4,F cancel.For instance the f+4,F cancel becomes safe on block,by first cancelling ZAN into a crouch dash by pressing DF,then cancelling the crouch dash by pressing b. 2:15 otherwise any 10 to 14 frame move could be used to punish,crush or counter the options out of ZAN/CDS,the fastest of which is 1+2. 2:28 as the f+4,F is about -5~-6 on block,you can go into CDS once the move is blocked,which can give great mixup opportunities. 2:44 Also the ZAN cancel allows for more damaging open area and wall tag assault combos(by cancelling ZAN with df then b) 2:48-2:59 Using in a combo after a ch f+4 3:01-3:11 carried to the wall 3:12-3:30 used in a tag assault at the wall 3:33 The f+4,F cancel into db+2,2,3 is a bit tricky and timing specific.After inputting f+4,watch as Jin extends his arm,then immediately press df~b~db+2,2,3. 3:42 CDS/ZAN 3 can be followed up with a f,f+2 3:47 Notes: 1.ZAN 1,2 is the standard balcony break ender,ZAN 1>2 is hit-comfirmable and ZAN 1 has more tracking than CDS 1 2.CDS/ZAN 2 evades all jabs,but not homing moves or the EWGF 3.Due to a back step taken in the animation of CDS,the moves from CDS has better evasion,but worse range. 4.ZAN inconsistently evades jabs
I dont understand how can f4 be punished if in another video they said that it was safe? It was the main man jin tutorial or are you saying if you do f4 into zan that makes it unsafe so you have to cancel to make it safe new to jin literally sorry if this was a dumb question.This was a helpful tutorial by the way.
+NadaliaEnvysU f+4 is safe,but you get no options out of regular f+4.So you will always go into f+4~F when hunting for counter hits.But if you opponent does block f+4 and you know that he will ch you,then you make it safe.
Hey man how do i keep in devil jin longer during the f4 to db 2 2 3? I know how to cancel the f4 but whenever I get to the db 2 2 3 it switches out devil jin and just keeps jin in.
Luis Larios f is forward ff is dash and d is down FC is fully crouched b is back u is up U is holding up, qcf is quarter circle forward qcb is quarter circle back, SSL is sidestep left SSR is sidestep right CDS is crouching Demon stance WR is while running WS is while standing.
thanks,about the f+4 to db+2,2,3.Its all about the timing. After Jin does the f+4,hold F and Jin goes into the Zanshin stance,in which he does a pose with his arms spread out. As soon as he spreads his arms press df,b,db+2,2,3 really fast.Be careful not to press the df too early or too late or else the cancel won't work.
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Chilliges Video, deine Quali ist wirklich mehr als akzeptabel, Daumen hoch :D
This was very helpful! ...but please consider redoing the slides. The color of the font made it hard to read, and some slides were too fast. Maybe just put some text at the bottom while recording in practice mode? Like how StudBuddha does, except I love how yours is short and straight to the point. Don't have the patience for those hour long guides.
sablephoenix4rce Thanks,and sorry about the fonts and stuff,I made this video a long time ago,I have,since then,in my newer videos changed the font style and timing to make the tutorials more useful.I also set the slide timing in the speed at which I can easily read,please feel free to pause at any time the text goes by to fast.I could leave the text separately in annotations,if you feel that would help.
Sure, why not? Regardless, it's a great tutorial.
sablephoenix4rce Umm,I tried putting annotations,but the video was getting too clunky,so i scrapped em all.I tries editing the description with the text and timestamps listed,but apparently I can't editi it wothout removil all brackets.So here's the compiled list,
Text relay:
0:01 Tekken tag tournament 2 Jin mental alertness cancel guide
0:07 Jin got his mental alertness stance in tekken 5
0:11 currently in TTT2 there are 2 variations of this stance
0:13 crouching demon stance(b+1)
0:15 zanshin(d+1+2)
0:18 the options from both of these stances are the same,though based on the stance the speed of the moves differ by 5 frames
0:20 CDS 1
0:23 CDS 1,2
0:25 CDS 2
0:27 CDS 3
0:29 CDS 4
0:31 CDS 1+2
0:35 CDS is more often used in matches for setups,evades and mixups as it has a fast 5 frame start-up and evades highs for a further 38 frames.
0:54 Zanshin is mostly used in combos as some moves cancel into it by holding F.These moves are as follows:
0:58 b+3,F
1:00 df+3,3,F
1:02 f+4,F
1:04 ws+1,2,F
1:06 b,f+2,3,F
1:08 In most cases b+3,f+4 and b,f+2,3 will be used to transition into ZAN.b+3,F as standard bound ender.b,f+2,3 after a hellsweep or in tag assaults
1:13-1:25 Using b,f+2,3,F in combos
1:26-1:31 Using b+3,F in a combo
1:34 f+4,F on the other hand has some specific uses.It is mostly used in wall tag assaults(more discussed later).
1:45 However both CDS and Zanshin can be cancelled.CDS can be cancelled into f,f and a crouch dash.While Zanshin can only be cancelled into a crouch dash but at a specific time.
1:49 CDS cancelled into a crouch dash by pressing DF
1:50 CDS cancelled into f,f by pressing f
1:51 Zanshin cancelled into crouch dash by pressing df
1:53 Of course all followups are available to you from these cancels.Pressing f+any from CDS does the respective f,f+any attack.Pressing df+any from CDS or ZAN does the respective cd+any attack.Pressing df,db,n,any from either stance does the respective ws+any attack.
1:59 CDS f+2
2:00 CDS df,db,n,2
2:01 CDS DF+1
2:05 The ability to cancel the Zanshin stance brings a new dimension to the f+4,F cancel.For instance the f+4,F cancel becomes safe on block,by first cancelling ZAN into a crouch dash by pressing DF,then cancelling the crouch dash by pressing b.
2:15 otherwise any 10 to 14 frame move could be used to punish,crush or counter the options out of ZAN/CDS,the fastest of which is 1+2.
2:28 as the f+4,F is about -5~-6 on block,you can go into CDS once the move is blocked,which can give great mixup opportunities.
2:44 Also the ZAN cancel allows for more damaging open area and wall tag assault combos(by cancelling ZAN with df then b)
2:48-2:59 Using in a combo after a ch f+4
3:01-3:11 carried to the wall
3:12-3:30 used in a tag assault at the wall
3:33 The f+4,F cancel into db+2,2,3 is a bit tricky and timing specific.After inputting f+4,watch as Jin extends his arm,then immediately press df~b~db+2,2,3.
3:42 CDS/ZAN 3 can be followed up with a f,f+2
3:47 Notes:
1.ZAN 1,2 is the standard balcony break ender,ZAN 1>2 is hit-comfirmable and ZAN 1 has more tracking than CDS 1
2.CDS/ZAN 2 evades all jabs,but not homing moves or the EWGF
3.Due to a back step taken in the animation of CDS,the moves from CDS has better evasion,but worse range.
4.ZAN inconsistently evades jabs
Such a cool Video and Combos bro!
Which Tekken Soundtracks are these?
I dont understand how can f4 be punished if in another video they said that it was safe? It was the main man jin tutorial or are you saying if you do f4 into zan that makes it unsafe so you have to cancel to make it safe new to jin literally sorry if this was a dumb question.This was a helpful tutorial by the way.
+NadaliaEnvysU f+4 is safe,but you get no options out of regular f+4.So you will always go into f+4~F when hunting for counter hits.But if you opponent does block f+4 and you know that he will ch you,then you make it safe.
Hi can i get the input move list of all the Juggles you used in this video ......!!
thanks a bunch in advance......
+Chaudhry Azeem
Sure,here you go
(All inputs by Jin unless stated otherwise)
1.(Near Wall) CDS 4, WS+1,2 B!, b,f+2,1,2
2.CDS 1,2 W!, df+4 B! b,f+2,1,2
3.Yoshi cd+1~1+2, KIN 2,1+2 TA! Jin b,f+2,3~F CDS 1+2 W!, Yoshi WR+3 db+3,3,3,3,3,3
4.cd+4, b+2,1, bf+2,3~F CDS 4
5.ecd+1, ewhf, 1,3~3 B! b+3~F CDS 1,2
6.Leo uf+1,2, b+2,1+2 TA! Jin f+4~F CDS 1,2 Leo ws+1,4,1
7.Forrest ch d+2,3~5 Kaz EWGF, df+1,2 TA! Forrest uf+3,4 Kaz cd+3
8.CDS 1+2~5 Marduk 1(replace this with uf+3 in actual combos for best damage) df+4,2 TA! Jin ss 1,2,4 Marduk dash 2+4
9.ch f+4~F CDS df~f, b+2,1, 1,3~3 B! slight ssr,dash b+3~F CDS 1,2
10.ch f+4~F CDS df~f, b,f+2,1, 1,3~3 TA! Lei SSL f+3,1,2 W! (can insert a 2 at this point) Jin db+2,2,3
11.King uf+1+2, df+4,3, f+1, b+2,1+2 TA! Jin f+4~F CDS df~b W! d+2,2,3 King d+2+4~2,3,4,1
12.Leo uf+1,2, b+2,1+2 TA! Jin f+4~F CDS df~b d+2,2,3 Leo ws+1,4,1
13.Jin d+3+4~5 W! Combot f+4(King) df+1,2 TA!(Hei) Jin f+4~F CDS df~b d+2,2,3 Combot f,f+2(Jin) BB! Jin 5 Combot hcb+1
you are a life saver bro another thing can you come online for some battles my PSN is RoyalTekkente thanks thanks thanks bro
i can never have the confidence to pull that f+4 zan cancel to db 2,2,4. i always to the 2 then db 2,2,4 or 3,1 to 1+2 at the wall
this helped a lot thx for the tutorial man
How do u do rento during that u/f1+2 throw?
Good work man!!
Hey man how do i keep in devil jin longer during the f4 to db 2 2 3? I know how to cancel the f4 but whenever I get to the db 2 2 3 it switches out devil jin and just keeps jin in.
It means that you are doing it too slow,the key to the cancel is speed,once you get past the open hands part.
Ok so I play on 360 and i have no idea what these buttons are, are they on arcade stick ??
1 is x. 2 is y. 3 is A. 4 is B
wat of ff and d and all that shit ??
Luis Larios f is forward ff is dash and d is down FC is fully crouched b is back u is up U is holding up, qcf is quarter circle forward qcb is quarter circle back, SSL is sidestep left SSR is sidestep right CDS is crouching Demon stance WR is while running WS is while standing.
I posted the link to the legend in the description about 2 plus years ago,please check that before asking questions
The editing is not very well made. But the video is so useful, i can pass throught these little things. Thanks for the guide!
cool, thanks but I can't do F4 cancel to db 2,2,3 on the wall, it is too hard, help?
thanks,about the f+4 to db+2,2,3.Its all about the timing.
After Jin does the f+4,hold F and Jin goes into the Zanshin stance,in which he does a pose with his arms spread out.
As soon as he spreads his arms press df,b,db+2,2,3 really fast.Be careful not to press the df too early or too late or else the cancel won't work.
Mashrur Azad OMG Thats really hard :v
Well it is hard,but its totally worth the effort.
:'v
could you make this again for tekken 7? if it works
I doubt the controls will cahnge if the cancel exists in T7,you could still refer to this video and apply it to T7
Good job. Was a pain to see the words with the fonts at times. Good job though.
You didn't mention Cds2 or zen2 in the description.
Thanks,Sorry about the fonts and stuff and I've added CDS 2 to the frame data list now.
0:59
Whos re-playing the video just for the music? :P
Thank you!
Music name pls.....
TTT2 Wii U edition - Supporters
when Jin use the armor, he looks like a medieval universe of Jin.
I thought mental alertness in tekken 4
Its the name of his stance in the command list, but the community calls it CDS instead