I Drove Through Downtown Indianapolis. Where Was Everyone??
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Indianapolis, Indiana! Everyone knows it’s the capital of Indiana and home to a lot of sports teams. It has a reputation of being a big city with a small town vibe. But what is it all about? Is it fun? Is it safe? As we’ll see, the answers to those questions are clearly NO.
But Indianapolis is one of the biggest cities in the midwest and worth talking about. So when I was passing by, I had to pull off of I-65 and spend a day here.
The day I was passing by Indianapolis was a very nice one. The sun was very bright and it was unusually warm for the city - around 70 degrees in late November of 2021. It was the perfect day to grab a pork tenderloin sandwich and do a short tour of Indianapolis, Indiana!
Aww Indianapolis.
We’re downtown right now. We’re going to drive around downtown Indianapolis and see what it’s all about. Along the way, we’ll talk about the good and the bad, what it’s like living here, and chat with someone who grew up here to get her perspective on what Indy’s all about.
Sadly, I tried to focus on the positive things about living here, but it was hard for both of us to stay positive. There’s just too many things to complain about nowadays.
Downtown Indy is..sorta okay. It’s pretty slow paced. There’s certainly no hustle and bustle. You can park easily and it’s pretty cheap. It’s not gonna WOW you with things to do, but you could find enough to keep you busy if you lived here. There’s not a lot of culture here - it’s mostly bars and restaurants with basic midwest food - steaks, burgers, chicken, taters. There are many nationally known museums downtown, there’s a zoo, and there’s some cool areas where you can shop. We’ll see some of that along the way.
Indy has added a lot of condos downtown, and there are a lot of hotels which support the nearby sports venues. Within - or close to downtown is the NBA arena where the Pacers play, some college basketball arenas, and of course, the stadium where the Colts play. Peyton Manning came to town and threw a lot of touchdown. So, In 2008, they built him Lucas Oil Stadium, and what followed was even more development, and a Super Bowl, and worldwide attention. So you could say Peyton Manning really helped make Indianapolis a better place with just one arm.
There’s parts of downtown that are very nice. And the city is always looking to make it even better. But goals and realizations don’t always match up. Today, there are frustrations from locals who say downtown is getting more dangerous and rundown. Stores are closing and there’s a lot more gang activity, and litter and homelessness here. The day I drove through must have been the day after a major sweep, because I didn’t see much of that at all. But it’s usually worse looking. Maybe they heard I was coming.
While downtown isn’t too bad, most of Indianapolis is pretty rundown and beat up. The south side is industrial and there’s a lot of older homes and crime. The west side is a lot of strip malls and some hoods, a big racetrack and an airport. The east side has now become little Chicago. Yeah, it’s bad over there. So bad that Indianapolis is now top ten in the nation for crime, and even more dangerous than Chicago per capita. Yes, I said that.
If you HAD to move to Indianapolis, you’d want to live on the north end. Anywhere due north of downtown is much nicer. The Broad Ripple neighborhood is very nice, and as you get out of the downtown sprawl, most of the nicest parts of the area are in this general area here. Zionsville, Fishers, Noblesville and Carmel are all super nice places to live. Probably the best places to live in the whole state.
One good thing about Indy is the cost of living. You can still get a home here for about $200,000 as of this writing. That’s dirt cheap. Although, again, just about anywhere you live in Indy proper is either rundown or crime ridden.
So what happened to Indianapolis? How did it get so bad here? We’ll talk to someone who lives here soon, but it’s actually pretty shocking how fast this place has gone down the tubes. The homicide rate here has gone up just about every year over the last decade. In some cities, you can put up with the crime because of the nearby amenities. If you live here, that’s one thing, this is your home, and there’s good people in town. But unless you want to live a sheltered posh lifestyle just outside of the city limits, I can’t see any reason to recommend you move here.
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Inaccurate and biased information. Very disappointing that this is the quality of content that you would present too your loyal fans
The woman interviewed was/is a terrible choice if you're looking for a broad perspective on Indy. Her knowledge of this area, and its issues, is lacking, which made for a very biased opinion. Not that Indy is THE next big thing, it clearly is not. She lost me when she commented "I don't know why the malls are loosing stores". Hello, malls are failing nationwide, due to the dramatic increase of internet/e-commerce sales over the past few decades! Anyone representing an experienced resident of a metro area should be educated on the general statistics and background of said topic!
Yeah commercial real estate is dying even here in new york.
@@YeahdudeProductions8 No.. it’s because of Amazon/ online shopping. Try again
Not in San Antonio, our malls are packed to the rim with even High end stores coming to them. Literally, its only shit stain cities that allowed riots to happen that are losing businesses.
I agree. I was thinking that when I was listening to her
Yeah I agree but the malls part I get what she means. Malls are falling nationwide but in Indianapolis it’s a bit higher compared to most other cities. Lafayette Square is one example and I remember seeing Circle Center lose like half its stores (but that’s mainly due to the pandemic). However looks like Castleton and Hamilton Town Center are making more of a comeback
I was born and raised in Evansville Indiana which is about 3 hours south of Indianapolis. I have lot of relatives who live on Indianapolis. I spent a lot of time there. I now live near Los Angeles in the high desert of California. To understand Midwestern cities you have to understand the Midwest culture. The downtown areas are not always used as entertainment centers. Those things happen everywhere in the city. Indianapolis is not boring! In the Midwest the activities are seasonal or yearly. Have you ever heard of the Black Expo held In Indianapolis yearly? There is partying all over the town during the Expo. That is just one example of many events held there. When people say that midwestern cities are boring they usually are coming from a non midwestern mindset or grew up in another part of the country. Life is slower in the Midwest but many of us from there don’t consider it boring at all.
Y’all don’t think it’s boring Bcus y’all don’t know any better.. but for a visitor that shit is deserted and boring af. N needs to be remodeled
Thank you! If your not from the Midwest you don’t know shit!!!
I grew up outside London. I’ve lived in Naples, Italy, Stuttgart, Germany, and various cities around the US. Indianapolis isn’t a bad place. It has a good amount of things to do while not being insanely nuts. A good balance for an American city. Of course when you visit during a pandemic, it’s going to look empty.
I was thinking the same thing lol. I worked downtown for about a year. Indianapolis is alittle not different than some other cities. The main stuff is really built on the circle center downtown. Its crowded on the weekdays and their downtown mall is way better than st Louis or Kansas City's. It's hard to compare since each place is different lol!
And Sunday am.😂
You should've started with "I visited Indy at the worst time of year." People who live there are extremely social and active spring through fall, but change their lifestyle when the colder months hit. There isn't much of a morning crowd - but the quiet mornings downtown can be pretty nice.
I live in NYC grew up in Boston. I don't care if it's cold outside. Life goes on. I don't buy your climatoligical argument. I'd rather visit when it's cold than when it's 90 degrees and muggy.
This video is very uninformed, and the "native" apparently only has visited malls and chain restaurants. She lives 30 miles south of the city and avoids going downtown, how would she know anything outside of what she hears on the crappy evening news? There are hundreds of neat places and things to do around the city, you just don't find those driving around aimlessly in a car for hours. Try walking or biking next time. Yes, there's a lot of poverty, but it's a much bigger systemic problem that all American people and cities are facing - some are just better at hiding or suppressing it. Very disappointed in your level of effort on this video, might as well have just made it based on Google Street view from 2008. Total waste of everyone's time, including yours.
Exactly!
Lol exactly she sounds like she doesn't even go to Indianapolis 🤦🏽♂️
I thought the same thing. This is a terrible representation of Indianapolis and the "resident" he chose knows nothing about the city
@@yourfavoriteeggo2250 Yeah he choose an Indiana resident and equated that resident to an Indianapolis resident. Thats like me going to Illinois and asking someone in Peoria about life in Chicago. Sure they may have some information, but how reliable is that information if they don't actually live their/visit often. He needed to talk to someone who truly lives in Indy. Do better Nick.
Just a vacant human. Literally can only talk about if there’s a mall or chain restaurants. Painful
Indianapolis isn’t a small city, but it’s a lot like LA in the sense that not much happens downtown. Only time people really come down there is if something is going on.
As an Angeleno I agree to a certain extent. Tourists and even Angelenos have not much reason to go to DTLA outside of Staples Center and LA Live. Either way there is still a lot of business that keeps DTLA busy. That and it is almost inevitable to pass through downtown if you're coming from the southern or eastern sides of the city.
I’m an Angelino that currently lives in South Bend but has spent a considerable amount of time in Indy. They are very similar except for population size
i’m an indianapolis local and there’s almost always people downtown, but there’s so much crime , like something will happen early in the evening so everyone for the most part will go home for the night and everyone would just be back out tomorrow
@@phinehasjacob9122 Los Angeles and Indy are alike?? damn.
I can’t agree with this. LA and Indianapolis are definitely NOT the same.D.T.L.A has tons of things to do now that they have several football teams. The entire L.A area and surrounding cities have a ton of things to do and lots of luxury apartments, and condos, with attached luxury/high end shops and restaurants. It’s also safer than it has been in decades. Polar opposite’s.
I live close to downtown and you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not a big city/state pride guy but I grew more and more irritated as this video drug on. You visited during the day in one of the most unpredictable weather months of the year. What were you expecting to find? Parades and festivities everywhere? I'll but even Chicago looks kinda boring on a Wednesday at 10am. Come here during March Madness or the Indy 500 festivities. Indy is a city designed to host people. That's what all the hotels are for, the convention center, which is one of the nicer ones in the country. Also, Peyton Manning hasn't played football in Indy in nearly a decade.
It really seems like you just decided to take a dump on a city you already didn't like for whatever reason instead of doing an honest evaluation of the area. It isn't the nicest city, sure, but it certainly isn't that bad either. One of the nicer places to live in the Midwest, I'd say. Cost of living is reasonable and it's easy to get around. Lots of restaurants, including like 8 or more 5 star steakhouses. A decent night life. Very walkable with several bike and running trials.
Anyone reading these that have never been here, just know this is far from an accurate representation of Indianapolis.
Indiacrapolis lol
Indy also has a lot of underground and above ground tunnels so there are more people downtown than you would think. Indy is also really spread out so it has lots of areas of activity.
Yes, I am born and raised in Indianapolis. Downtown is definitely to host the events: March Madness, Indy 500 etc
Nashville is better
You are extremely biased
I lived in Indy for 34 years and this girl is trippin! Indy is a great city ! I think she’s a little bit too familiar with the prosecutor ,maybe seen the inside of a courtroom ?? Or maybe on the wrong side of the law a bit? I call Bullshit!
"When I went there several years ago...." should tell you something. I've never met someone from Indiana that I did not like. It's a great state. But, like the rest of us, there are problems. My two cents.
Have you met Mike Pence?
You've clearly not spent much time here.
@@apancher Some of the people of Indy I thought were nice, but something about it did not fit as I decided not to settle down there.
@@MeltinJohn good weather is bipolar nothing to do and crime all over oh and city don't take care of potholes or sewer problems like it should
@@accuratealloys least of their issues with the state
Fishers, Carmel, Westfield, Zionsville (northern Indy) are always in the top ten places to live in the country. You skipped all the great areas of downtown and drove through the hood. What did you expect?
Having been born & grown up there - w/ still much fam & friends that I go back on a regular basis to visit....almost everyone had moved to suburban N side = these very fine places u site = but here's the thing (having also lived in 3 other large cities - Houston, Nashville, & Dallas) - that N side of Indy all the way to Noblesville & even Tipton - some of whitest of very white places I've ever seen = & peeps there seem to be pretty damn well proud of it ("tokenism" = where these N suburbs import AA athletes)....
@@jpcomp5159 Houston, Nashville, and Dallas are all in the south. It makes a difference.
My best friend from high school in PA moved to Muncie! Cheap rent!
this guy’s entire youtube is about shitting on cities & states, it gets him views & makes him *cOnTrOvErSiAl* he’s one of the most negative channels on here
@@jgrysiak6566 I paid $125 a month in rent in Muncie during college. Best time of my entire life. Go do that at UCLA or NYU and report back on QOL. Also tuition was $1,200 a semester. I don't think I ever once spent over 500 a month total. Great education and no debt to boot.
Totally wrong. I live in Los Angeles. Spent a week in Indy recently and couldn't DISAGREE with this video more. It's a vibrant little city (little compared to LA) but there are things to do. So many developments going on, lovely neighborhoods, nice people.
All these cities are run down and dangerous because of the rich and their global economy.what did you think was going to happen?
@@bettykelly7565 it's not the 19th century where americans are going to work in factories and sweat shops 18 hours a day so that you can have your precious junk and trinkets.
If your comparing to LA anything will look better.
I’d rather be in LA than here by far, this place is boring 😅
Was born in Indianapolis Indiana things in these times are not like back then. I’m in CA. Things are closing up here in CA as well. It’s all over, crime at its highest is everywhere.
These are END TIMES that we’re living in now.
Because we have open boarders because of a weak President. Crime is going up!
@@jaysmith179 it's beyond that, Americas gonna fall apart like all empires
@@eashanahluwalia9599 Moral and spiritual decline.
@@jaysmith179 The word you wanted is borders, not boarders.
@@bkucinschi I haven't had anything censored on youtube. You might notice that I posted the correct spelling with no issues.
Circle Centre’s downfall began in 2011 when Nordstrom closed. It was a steady decline up until the pandemic & riots which made it even worse.
God this is scary
This mall died because it's a mall.
Riots?
You are spot on...
@@kyleebrock No the mall died for the reasons they stated. And the teen thugs ruined it
Indiana is just one of those states people forget that exist
So True
Same with Delaware, Rhode island, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Mississippi and more
perfect place to raise a quiet well behaved family that has never heard of an SJW
And we like it that way..so shhhhhh
The first thing I think about when I hear Indiana is Indiana Jones
I went to Indy a couple weeks ago for the NCAA Tournament. I thought it was much cleaner and nicer than a lot of major cities, aside from the area on the east side of town by Pendleton Pike. The northern part of the city seemed very livable and welcoming. I was surprised just how quickly the surroundings transitioned to rural, rather than the gradual transition you usually get.
People just don't leave home that much anymore, they become home bodies...With the internet, people are glued to their cell phones.
Exactly!
Some people fill up downtown areas still so I don't know exactly where you're talking. I wish it was less crowded sometimes
There are events going on every weekend downtown. Different groups having concerts. Everytime I go downtown there is always people walking around. There are concerts being held by local groups, museums, the city market, plus the zoo. The person you interviewed lives their life by fear. Covid and the riots made a huge Ding in the mall downtown. I moved to Indianapolis in 2014 from South Bend. Things were a lot worse there than here.
Oh I saw south bend too
Yeah one drive around the city on a random day doesn’t give the feel of Indy at all. The weekends are much different, especially when there is something going on downtown.
Don't go downtown anymore. Not even for the Christmas tree lighting.
The prosecutor isn't the problem 🙄 Crime has been on the rise since the last prosecutor and before they rightfully stopped wasting their time on certain crimes. Being "tough on crime" historically has never worked.
It doesn't solve the underlying problem which is destitution. When education, opportunity and poverty isn't addressed then you get your crime and homelessness. No one wakes up and becomes homeless, a murderer or drug dealer. They're conditioned to be.
The truth is, a lot of issues Haven't been addressed on a more macro level of the nation and therefore Indianapolis is devolving like any other city in America.
People in indiana work all the damn time..can't be out walking around
It looks clean, rubbish free in the downtown area you drove. I find you Americans are wanting lots of activities to do, or shopping centres, etc. Lots of our towns do not have lots to do, but as long as it’s litter free, and no homeless, and very safe I’m a happy bunny 🐰. A lot of Americans have been criticising our Cotswolds, apparently there is nothing to do, and you have to walk up a big hill to get a view. Come on people, it’s about history, the beautiful scenic countryside, fresh air, exercise and a lovely cream tea next to an open fire. I think some tourists expect Disneyland shops and no exercising.
Unfortunately, the part about "no homeless", doesn't apply in this case. Indianapolis does have it's share of homeless even if that wasn't visible during the drive he took.
I agree!!! Seems people have this need, almost an addiction, for entertainment.
That is different, your culture is MUCH DIFFERENT from ours....when I go to the UK I just want to "slow down" inwhich I have two friends from there whom I still speak to (they say it actually is extremely busy) BUT for ME atleast I can slow down. I know some Americans go there and are azz holes, but me and the people in my circle we just want to experience fresh air and take in the environment. Over in the states unfortunately, it is a lifestyle to find stuff to do sort of speak (NOT speaking for all just most). There are A lot of people who move to the regions that are peaceful, to actually slow down on purpose. So it isn't ALL Americans, just from what YOU see and heard.
@@phyllisbakercoffman8988 many people seem to have forgotten how to entertain themselves and have this almost manic need for 24/ 7 audio/visual stimulation. Serenity, solitude, and quiet times have fallen out of favor. I live in a very rural area and have no problem surrounded by peace, quiet, and no crime.
Indianapolis has over 2000 homeless that number is from last year so numbers are much higher now. Homeless was sleeping on the circle in downtown Indianapolis until the police came and threw everything they own away and made it a crime to sleep downtown. The homeless have been pushed south off 65 and keystone Ave.
Indianapolis actually has grown alot. The freeways suck, just a bunch of circles easy to get confused. I don't think its anymore boring or dangerous than any other Midwest city that is bigger.
One circular freeway surrounds the city....not really confusing at all..the downtown interchange is pretty standard fare for a modern metropolis....
We are the circle city.... may want to never go to Carmel or Fishers then. Carmel has the most roundabouts in the world.
@@wilk704 it does
@@toddheimbuch5429 it could be better designed. I get it, to keep traffic from jamming up.
@@notyourbusiness2733 it should be interesting to see the results of the downtown highway project that has kept the interchange closed for the last year
I'm from here we have some things going on but like any other city we too have a lot of problems too
Never seen a hwy empty like that.
I live in Greenwood just outside of Indianapolis and I agree with most of the things you say about Indianapolis. It’s kinda of borning and the weather freaking sucks especially the winter. It get so extremely cold and what makes it worse is that it is gloomy and we hardly get any snow.
Not exactly sure what day you came here but I’m from Indy and I bet you $1000 you come on the weekend downtown and hit mass Ave, fountain sq, Bottleworks and it’s crazy downtown. March madness and other events going on all the time so I’m not sure what more do people want because half the people that says it’s boring aren’t exciting people themselves. I would love to hang out with folks that say it’s boring and see what you do for fun
Who would have thought indianapolis is deteriorating. Then again, America is deteriorating. When you think of Indianapolis, you think of a thriving midwest city.
You do?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
With a higher violent crime rate than Chicago....
@@bluepunk182 damn, does it really?
@@garront523 It does. I was pretty surprised too...but yes, per capita, we have more violent crime in Indy than Chicago does. Thanks, Mayor Hogsett...
@@bluepunk182 thank God I'm in new Castle lmao. I hated Indy when I lived there.
You failed to mention the Scottish Rite Cathedral, the Eiteljorg museum, the Childrens' museums, places where older homes have been refurbished, the IRT theatre downtown, the symphony which plays on Circle theatre(that venue used to be a movie theatre and is now totally restored for the symphony, etc. We have IUPUI, IVY Tech, Butler, and University of Indianapolis. Butler has a wonderful theatre and symphony. Ivy Tech is a community college which offers seniors free tuition. We have been hit by the pandemic which has resulted in the loss of a lot of small businesses downtown and an increase in crime. People have turned more to on line shopping especially with the onset of the pandemic. The increase in crime is thanks, in part, to the state legislature which refuses to pass legislation to improve background checks on guns. We have also been damaged by the opioid epidemic. Indiana has never devoted enough resources for mental health and substance use treatment centers. I am hoping as we recover from the pandemic that our city council will look at addressing the opioid epidemic, gun violence and crime, and stimulating the local economy. Our city pays more taxes than any rural county in Indiana.
I've lived in Indy since 1965. I've seen a lot here. Back in the 70's, downtown was completely dead. I was the DJ at the first club that opened up downtown, just off the Circle (Bally's Tom Foolery). This was the beginning of a great awakening and for a short time, Indy was a great place to be. We had new restaurants, clubs, then breweries and more clubs and restaurants and downtown blossomed. Oh, and if you're into sports...we had that too. Although we lost the greatest music venue any city ever had (RIP Market Square Arena...)
This was due in larger part to the vision of guys like Bill Hudnut and Richard Lugar who worked with local business to bring in money, but keep a lid on crime.
Then came Bart Peterson who basically did nothing for Indy. He was followed by Greg Ballard, who's only good point is that he is not Bart Peterson... Then in came our current Mayor and City Council and their "woke" philosophy. Suddenly criminals aren't being prosecuted and local business is being ignored while policy shifts to "progressive" programs that cater to an ideology that is completely antithetical to what made Indy a great place to live.
I read people who say that crime "isn't that bad", but those people aren't long term residents and have no idea what we came from.
Crime is bad here now. It's not the south side of Chicago bad (except for the east side). But compared to what it was 20 years ago, it sucks.
Unfortunately, Democrats have taken over our once great town, and the Republicans have abandoned us.
Just like in the late 60's and early 70's, people are moving out of town to the suburbs, and it wont be long until Indy is a ghost town again.
BTW, although I've lived here for most of my 61 years, I've worked all across the US and traveled to much if the world, so I know that what we have could be a lot worse...but just what the Hell kind of consolation prize is that?
Thanks dumbmasses
Bro your view is very twisted. Indy is not "woke". There is apparently a crime surge tho, but even with that surge you ain't gotta be sooooo scared.
@@Tony78454 you sound like you’re part of the problem.
Amen Charles
Jesus you really broke that down i most definitely can tell your a native cause you just gave me a history lesson those names rang bells but I couldn't agree more your 100 percent right except the ghost town part i dont think that would ever happen
There's no city that Republicans wouldn't be happy abandon.
I was born in Indianapolis in 1957. We lived in Irvington in my early years and moved to Beech Grove when I was six. My grandfather lived in a house overlooking the White River in Broad Ripple. It was a great place to grow up back in the 60’s. I haven’t been back in many years but it’s nice to see so many people sticking up for Indy here in the comments.
I will always be proud to call Indianapolis my home town.
It’s just a bunch of Bs in this video, he obviously didn’t do his research. Indianapolis is one of the best cities to make money and Carmel-Zionsville-Fishers-noblesville Indiana are constantly ranked Top 5 best places to live and grow a family in the US.
Typing this as a rich arrogant Snob in Carmel, Indiana.
Time to scratch Indianapolis off the list. Thank you for the heads-up. 😂
Make that right turn at 12:13 at 5 PM, and you'll know where everybody is - right there! I do it twice a week. I am a lifetime East-sider, and yes, there really was a time when we didn't lock our doors and things were better. It started when all of the industry on the Shadeland strip vacated.
When I was a kid the East side and all of Warren Township was nice. Like you said we didn't have to lock anything. We were allowed to go play freely without our parents worrying. My Grandparents lived near Eastgate Mall. They would just give us money in the Summer to let us go hang out. It was nice then too. We'd get on the festival bus and go to Holy Spirit festival or just cut behind the YMCA and go in that way. They'd let us take the 8 Metro to Washington square. That's when movies 8 and Putt Putt were right across the street
Your grandparents lived in my neighborhood. it's still decent over here, but go west of Shadeland Ave, it starts to get dodgy @@mellea1316
I lived in indpls for 45 yrs. Don't fool yourself. It's dirty , full of homeless ppl everywhere, in the parks , bus stops, behind grocery stores. I moved out of there after I was mugged 2 times and had a gun pulled on me while going to work. Indpls in.isnt a nice city at all.
Whaat!! There are 1.2 billion people in India! Why are the streets empty!? I don't get it!
Not India!!!! He’s talking about Indiana, it’s a state in Midwest USA!!!! Lol
because it is already an insecure city
you see any cows and people defecating in the streets?
Lol this is hilarious 😂
This is like every big city in the midwest. Like a Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati. At least as far as indiana, Illinois, Ohio....you have small rural corn towns and the bigger cities are getting like this
Columbus Cleveland and Cincinnati are booming Idk how long you've spent in Ohio but it couldn't have been for any amount of time as a native to Ohio and being in these cities a shit ton I assure you they have never been bare
I live in Indianapolis and everytime I've been through Cincinnati and Columbus the last few years it's been very bare. Everyone I've talked to about it has had similar experiences in the recent years.
@@ababby9719 I'm in Columbus now it's 7:20 and people are everywhere y'all must be blind or you're just not native to the area is all I can say
Columbus isn't nearly as bad as Cincinnati. Columbus is pretty comparable to our city. I was moreso speaking of Cincinnati being suprisingly dead besides tourist attractions.
I like to do a supply run to the corn 🌽 towns from the 🌽 fields at least once a month. Several surround my place in the distance.
I honestly have not even begun to watch the video, but as a Downtown Indy resident, it's usually relatively busy here! There's an entire strip of restaurants and bars (Mass Ave) that is always packed. The Circle attracts a lot of people, too. Then there's our nice park, some coffee shops, the canal district, the Children's Museum, so on and so forth. Indianapolis is a great city. And it's in the middle of a boom (Downtown included, it's gone from 18,000 to nearly 30,000 in ten years). Your description says "it's gone down the tubes" -- it's literally the opposite.
Also, Downtown isn't exactly the best part of Indy. Broad Ripple, Fountain Square, Meridian-Kessler, any of those northern neighborhoods (which takes up a LOT of the city) are nicer, with less crime, more culture, etc. It's a large city.
Edit again: I just skipped ahead to the person talking to you about the mall. The mall was built like 25 years ago. Everyone knows it's rundown. That's really the only part of Downtown that is struggling.
Positive traits in Indy:
Museums, colleges, pro sports teams, steady economy, quiet, lots of jobs, good schools (in the suburbs, terrible in Marion County). (small pockets) of night-life. low cost of living (generally). There are a lot of venues for conferences as the convention center and nice hotels are downtown.
Negative traits of Indy:
High crime, TERRIBLE public transportation. Not a lot to do if you are outdoorsy.
I wouldn't recommend moving to Indy. I probably wouldn't want to live here if my family didn't. I returned to raise my son here around family. He's a senior, so my wife and I may move if he moves on. For us...it's the weather.
For the future, I'd like to see Indy improve its public transportation system. I'm not sure if light rail is the answer but the bus here sucks. Start prosecuting crimes. Maybe encourage companies who wish to expand to job opportunities to poorer areas.
So even If a person moves downtown the bus is still poor?
Let me know when you're ready to go (u know - 'cause if the "weather") = I'll com help u pack up & leave....good riddance
@Nuanced Liars damn n I thought around the downtown area it would be more buses at least considering it's where alot of events happen ig
@Nuanced Liars I've been seeing that as well ....I just would expect for a city to be big it would have better bus service
I just moved to Indianapolis from Central Florida, and like every other city, there's always something to complain about. Since the town continues to grow, that says a lot. It's a large city with a small city feel. The only real downside is the horrible drivers, which are worse than LA, NYC, DC, or Orlando. They act like BMW drivers who became race car drivers. Other than that, decent city and outlying areas.
Man...u nailed it right on the hand bro. I'm california and that's exactly what I said. Everyone thinks they are Nascar drivers here but in reality can't drive worth shit
It’s great here !! This guy sucks though
He did not go to any nice areas . I think he likes the hood!! Everything is open now
Why don’t she know? She lives here & had nothing good to say ? They both downed it here . & all this was to say what??? For people not to live here? Areas they talking about on east side is not the whole east side that’s bad . North east is nice , south east is nice … they concentrating on one specific area.
Yes they drive crazy down here, in Nap!! You really have to be alert when driving down here! People speed all the time, even in small parking lots, tailgate you, turn on the red signal light and will tare up your car, and theirs, trying to beat you to the closest parking spot!! But other than that it's not a bad place, to live!
@@Pham.Projects They can't drive worth nothing here, and got the nerve to like speeding!!
Really?? I've seen my sis drive in San Fran and it gave me such much anxiety. I don't drive downtown if I can help it, because I do hate it, but I didn't think Indy would be as bad as those cities. I don't think Indiana drivers are that way at all at least.
at least I don't see homeless camp that's right it gets to cold thier
Homecroft is on the Southside, not Eastside.
We were just there for March Madness a couple weeks back and it was nice. We had plenty to do downtown before the game. I will say that the area around the speedway was a little run down. He went by the hotel that we stayed at in this video. One night we walked around till after midnight and didn’t see anything scary!
Long time no see, Nick! Great video.
I have videos up three times a week where have you been?
@@NickJohnson You vanished from my feed for months! Now you're back :)
TH-cam is weird
In most cities the city centers and downtowns are getting substantially worse, no matter where you go. Part of the problem is the pandemic and the government policies that came with it, which hastened the decline. As well, city centers are less of a priority since most voters do not live or even visit them on a regular basis, so people do not care as much.
No, the problems are down to a certain demographic
@@clearlynotwoke4929 Who's stopping them from going out? Most covid restrictions are gone.
I was in downtown LA last year and my goodness it was a GHOST TOWN
@@clearlynotwoke4929 😟😬
Cities have outlive their usefulness.
I went to Indianapolis in early 2020 pre-Covid restrictions, and I think I only saw about 20 people the whole time I was in the city until I got inside a building.
I lived in Indianapolis for a bit. And let me tell you… that map at 3:40 is perfect.
Loved here 41 years, yes it is accurate
The fact you labeled an area as "rich white snobs" says everything I need to know.
And then him saying if you had to move to Indy then THAT was the area you'd want to live in! 😲
Seriously!?
@@preciouseonghwa8217 I'm wondering if this is a troll video
Nah I’m from Indianapolis and he’s actually right about that area.
@@Mecduhall91Wrong, I’m a rich snob in carmel, Indiana not a rich white snob
Ha I just moved here for a new job ...from Yucaipa CA... instant regret.. but luckily I can take my new job anywhere..thinking Texas
I used to live in highland!! We were neighbors!
Been there also decatur an fort Wayne. Few other towns..cool visit..wouldn't live .. dad lived in Yucaipa.. before pass away.. from LA..southeast areas..by long Beach..also been Chicago
I have yet to meet someone who moved to Indianapolis from another State who actually liked the city. Natives from Indianapolis and other Mayberry towns of Indiana think it's the greatest, because most have only lived in Indiana all their lives. To Hoosiers it's like the Manhattan of the cornfields.
I lived DT Indy for 1 year then moved to Carmel.
A woman got killed at my apartment gym the day I moved into the luxury apartment…
What happened?
@@ChristopherX30 if I remember correctly she was followed into the apartment gym by her killer and was stabbed to death.
@@esmokebaby yes so she was in the gym working out. Young mom of an infant. It was late at night/early am.
Some meth head came off the canal and knocked on the door of the gym.
She opened it (NEVER EVER OPEN DOORS FOR PEOPLE WITHOUT KEYS!) he walked in, weighed himself then went over to the tredmill she was on and stabbed her to death.
It was horrible.
The police tape was up the day I got my keys.
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Wait, so the woman got killed in your old apartment building or in the new one?
@@chrisconnors9449 so I was moving in and the day before I did she got murdered there
Mass Ave in the arts district is ALWAYS very busy, especially AFTER work, with young people hitting bars and restaurants. But also burbanites come to shows at Old National Theatre.
So yes, mainly the nice parts downtown are for young techies and university students to get drunk and look at phones while eating out.
They need far more outdoor community areas where all sorts of residents can come out of gerbil size apartments (usually no balconies) to sit in sunshine and chat and maybe play cards, read books while enjoying hearing babble of life around them. A way to get to know neighbors.
They are too focused on events.
This is accurate. I used to be a Pacers fan when Reggie Miller was here. I used to be a Colts fan when Peyton was here. I have been to the Indy 500 once. That was enough. Military Park is an open area but out of the way. By the Library is an open area but under utilized. Our public area really remains the Circle. Mass Ave is cool, but we need more connected districts downtown. Not sure if it will happen though. Indy isn't quite as "Street" oriented as Manhattan or Chicago, but we don't have the population they have either... and in those places, apartments are much much smaller... no one wants to stay indoors unless they have to!
This is a little off. I have lived in Indy for 30 years. Indianapolis is very spread out. The crime is bad in some places but that is usually gang activity that also exists in all big cities. Usually, the victims are gang members. You can feel safe to walk around down town. After dark, I would not walk alone however. There is a lot of urban renewal happening to the neighborhoods that surround the downtown. Very nice neighborhoods with restaurants and shops all around. You didn't even show any of our stadiums or the IUPUI Campus. We have the best hospitals. Indy is also big in the arts. We also have the best airport and convention center. Downtown was hit hard by the riots but has rebuilt and repaired everything. I would recommend anyone to move here if you don't mind Winters. Currently, a professional outdoor basketball court is being built right by Gainbridge Fieldhouse, home if the Indiana Pacers. Next to that will be an outdoor ice skating rink bigger than Rockefeller Center. March madness is a good time to visit if you love basketball.
About 15 years ago. I went to law school in Indianapolis and, during that time, lived in Beech Grove. I had high hopes for Indianapolis; it had such potential as a city. Cheap rent, traffic that was not too bad, and a city that appeared to be undergoing urban renewal. The Canal Walk was particularly beautiful. And I loved living in Beech Grove, although it was the only time in my life someone had broken into my car (so far). Unfortunately, I couldn't find a job when I graduated law school and had to move out of state. Such a shame. I hope it doesn't become the next Detroit.
Detroit is fine though
@@itzpro5951 Granted, I've never been to Detroit. I only know about Detroit based on what I've seen on TV. However, I lived in the Indianapolis area 15 years ago and walked through downtown numerous times, and I don't recall seeing anything as bad as I saw on TV about Detroit. I mean, Detroit has tens of thousands of abandoned buildings and areas of the city returning to nature. Indianapolis is nowhere near that condition. Indianapolis's population was actually increasing while I lived there; it was just the opposite for Detroit.
@Nuanced Liars I didn't say Indianapolis had a population decline. I hope it makes it as a city. I liked living there. I just hope things don't start turning permanently for the worse.
@@thehighllama8101 Downtown isn’t that bad still, not much crime
Beach Grove is not a safe or good area. Cars get broken into in good and bad areas. People are bad.
No but seriously thanks Nick.When I was younger I spent a lot of time in Indianapolis.I went to the Indy 500 twice.But the crime is still off the chains.
People leaving Indy?, look at the 2020 census is one of the most fast growing cities in the U.S. Get your fact straight bro.
Aha sorry I was at home 😅 I’m usually downtown during the weekends though!
Not a good sign when businesses are leaving the city.
It was mostly restaurants that crashed during covid lockdowns.
If our country doesn’t manufacture anything anymore then all these big cities will eventually look like this
This video did NOT do Indianapolis justice. I was born and raised here and lived in multiple sides of the city including Brownsburg (Westside), Fishers (Northside), Wanamaker (Southeast), and attended Warren Central High School which is one of the bigger schools on the far east side.
Statistics may show that the east side is the worst side, however it’s maybe a couple blocks or a section of a zip code thats bad, but you can’t assume that for the entire area. Living on the east side was actually the best! I felt very comfortable, it’s very affordable to find up-to-date traditional homes and apartments, and the side is very easy to navigate to find grocery stores, restaurants, parks and entertainment.
Indianapolis is also a GREAT place to work and raise a family. As an Uber driver I meet A LOT of people who travel to the city for work, meetings, events, sports, concerts, etc. The schools are Great in my opinion, as I believe teachers, staff and administrators really care and want to see students succeed. There are many excel programs and college prep organizations around the city to involve kids in.
Yes, like any other city there are things to improve on, but in the grand scheme of things Indianapolis is great if you are looking for a medium sized city, with many options to have fun with friends & family. You won’t find trouble getting a job and although rent & mortgage has doubled, so has it all across the country.
So where would you suggest a young black guy to move in at in Indiana?. Like what would be your top 5?
Sorry I’m replying to this late but here are my opinions and I hope this helps
1. Northeast side (Near Castleton)
2. Nora (Northside)
3. Near Eaglecreek Park (Westside)
4. Broad Ripple (Northside)
5. Fountain Square (Downtown)
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Much Appreciated Destiny.. I learned a whole lot since I asked that question. I narrowed my search down to Brownsburg, Avon, Plainfield, Meridian Kessler, Fishers, Mccordsville, Noblesville, and further out Crown Point. Diversity & Safety- good schooling were some big criteria points for me. I decided to postpone my move to Indi after finding out that the buses/public transportation out there is non-existent. Will wait until ready to purchase a new vehicle first. Greenfield was the only part on the eastside that caught my attention until I found out there’s only like 0.39% black people there. My sis & her man just got a house out east somewhere in indianapolis.
for me it’s going to be either moving to Indiana or to North Carolina. Definitely more in Indiana than I always thought.
@@chrisconnors9449 Glad to hear that! Those are all definitely good places to consider. There are bus systems in Indianapolis but it helps if you live closer to them. It is definitely beneficial having a car though because sometimes to get to stores or just places you want to see it can be about a 20-25 minute drive.
I like Indy! Haven’t been there in YEARS though!! Was wondering if you maybe had a “Louisville city overview” view in the working sometime in the future? Thanks
“I didnt see any litter but theres lots of litter”
Nice
I live in Indpls and have been here for the past 53 years. It has changed to where it's barely recognizable from back in the 70's and 80's......especially downtown. Indianapolis is slowpace and low-key but there is much to do if you know your way around and also the right people. The exception would be the east side. That's due to neglect. Karma applies to government as well as individuals...it reaps what it sows! And so it is and there you have it.
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You missed out on all that Mass Ave has to offer because you were so focused on what was wrong! Every time I visit Indy (at least twice a year) it is bustling with people.
I'm so glad I'm NOT the only one who feels this way about our city. I grew up in Indianapolis (Nap) as they call it. I have to say this completely a misrepresented view of a city I hold dear and still support 100%. One woman that is jaded does not hold the true value of a city that has become so much more then the violence. Indianapolis as a whole is so much more then one persons opinion. Ask the ones who have living and thrived in this city and have them show you the true essence.
You’re spot on. I grew up outside Indy; many yrs ago lived in Castleton area. 2006-2008 lived downtown by circle…at that time it wasn’t bad. With that being said, my brother use to be a cop in Indy….and yes it has changed. He quite bc police department was too political. Great channel as always.
Downtown by the circle is still fine. Just don't walk around alone from 2 am to 4 am. It's like that in any city. Nothing has changed since 2008, just some areas have improved (near northside and eastside in general) while others have gotten poorer and worse with homicides (far east side, near west side). Policing changes have had no impact on everyday life.
Indy is way better than L.A for sure! Last sartuday I went to The Garage food and It was awesome. cool people and good vibe.👌
As someone who grew up in Indianapolis in the 50’s and 60’s, I can tell you what happened to downtown! Shopping centers and malls!!! Indianapolis was a wonderful, bustling place; with beautiful department stores like L.S. Ayres and Blocks! There was the Indiana Theater and The Circle Theater. The bus lines brought the people downtown to shop, or some people drove. There were also many other stores, G.C. Murphy’s, F.W. Woolworth, Three Sister’s, just to name a few. I received a great education at the Indianapolis Public Schools❤️. I do understand that it’s different, now. Why? The people! The people have changed! Hearts have changed! Respect has changed! Priorities have changed! Generations have changed! I moved to Boone County to raise my children on a farm, one remains there to this day with his family. One lives in Zionsville, one in Lebanon, one in Ft. Wayne (ugh) and one in VA for work. God bless you sweetie ❤️
Will you ever come to Kansas City, Missouri? I think it's a hidden gem
You will hear everything that's bad about your city.
Another crime-ridden place statistically.
Drove through Indianoplis once. Wish I would have spent time there. I have good friends from Indiana. Thanks Nick!!
You are correct about criminals moving in mostly from Gary area.......that is what has changed the city and made it less safe...there use to be a husle and bustle but most people are working from home now still from covid ...downtown is not where the crime and gangs are...it's throughout all sides of town...gangs don't hang out downtown...lol....naptown is short for Indianapolis....stores aren't empty because of the riots ...it's the same nationwide..stores and malls have gone out of business because it's easier to shop online....black Amazon....the homeless are not on the streets downtown..they are in the shelters..our city has just built a new one...we are not at the level of Chicago at this time as far as crime...and actually we have less homicides this year so far than last. ...a lot of the issues that you described are happening all over the nation. The east side is fine!!! All sides of town are really hit and miss tons of good neighborhoods on the east side such as Warren township...each side of town has good and bad neighborhoods...our prosecutor is doing an awesome job. ...the office is not letting anyone slide or anything....! ...The woman you Interviewed is very misinformed...as stated before most malls in the u.s. are going out of business not just indy... north is not the only nice side of town...center township in indianapolis is being redeveloped and is very very nice...and there are programs to help people buy homes there affordable.....there are still plenty of things do to in our city...we do have culture...impd..Ryan Mears and the mayor are really working hard to clean up Indianapolis...we can't stop the bad seeds from moving here.....I have lived on the east side of Indy 40 yrs so I know first hand...mass Ave has lots of shopping..Arts and culture. Covid slowed downtown...but just like in the u.s. everywhere people are slowly trying to come back out. ..especially once it's warm. We also have some good schools in Indy....who in the heck is this woman u Interviewed??..she doesn't have a clue.....if we were like Chicago I would have totally moved by now!!!
The crime rate is going up here. The south side is getting way worse. There was a shooting literally last night at the YMCA on the south side. The southeast side is relatively safe but it’s expensive to live there. Sadly enough, I don’t see Indianapolis getting better.
I live in Monrovia. I love it out there. But I don’t really go down town anymore. We do go to the zoo with my grandson. We do enjoy that.
That stretch of river just north of the zoo has one of the nicest views of downtown across the river. River in the foreground and city skyline. Nice riverside break from city traffic.
Nick, next time you're in the area, let me know. I'll show you around.
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Never been to Indianapolis. Furthest I've been into Indiana was in Bloomington. Looks like Indy is kinda boring? Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look too bustling.
Indy is nice
Indy is definitely boring. I live here and I can't wait to move out...
Indianapolis can be comparable to manchester, new hampshire in terms of it’s boringness.
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@@ronpagala7496 Manchester is better than Indianapolis. I am now in Omaha and I'd Say as a city it ties Manchvegas.
I think the downtown city center looks nice and clean (from the video)
I live in Indy. Our downtown is very clean, yet boring. It's when you venture just outside of downtown that you will run into problems.
I live in Indy and I was downtown yesterday and it was bustling. People walking around and riding electric scooters and bikes all over the place. Saw quite a few loud cars roaming around.
We all know what time it is, and nobody wants to deal with the harassment being honest about it...
We live south of Indy. Many many years ago I worked downtown. Retired a long time now, but haven’t been down there for years! Never ever afraid and used to walk around there quite often.
An even in the rural areas aren't exempt from the crime
It's so bad. But Chicago's, and Gary's gangs came here. I'm been here all my life. And it's really as bad as people make. But since I was a child, everything has changed so much. I think it can get boring in everyone city.
It's nickname is Nap Town. You should see it during the winter.
This was in the winter
You definitely came at the wrong time. It's cold and no one wants to go outside. On the weekends where there are sporting events, it's packed. I would also recommend St Elmo's or Iozzo's as a place to eat. I've lived here my whole life and I've never had more than 1 tenderloin. Homelessness is a sad issue, and goes hand in hand with drugs. We don't have enough resources to truly help the people that do want help. I think that's everywhere though in the United States. I'm not much of a mall person but our parks are nice. Holiday Park and Eagle Creek park are my favorites.
This woman you interviewed seems totally clueless. She seems obsessed with shopping malls. All cities have lost shopping malls over the last several years due to the shift in how people shop online and other economic factors. There are great areas in Indianapolis such as Mass Ave and Lockerbie Square. The surrounding counties are a large part of the city like other land locked sprawling cities. There is a lot of things going on especially in the spring and summer. Next time, do better research and have a better guest.
Can someone tell me if Carmel Indiana is worth moving to? Or are the issues from Indianapolis bleeding in
One of the best, safest cities in Indiana.
There’s definitely a lot of rich people over there!
You need money to live in Carmel. Not worth it unless you're making six figures or close to six figures.
Hi there,,, Carmel is lovely,,, I grew up there, and now I have been in Noblesville for over 20 yrs.
Basically all of the northern suburbs (Hamilton County) are insulated from and completely different from Indy (Marion County). Carmel, Fishers, Zionsville, Noblesville...all very nice places to live with low crime and good schools. It's night / day compared to Indy.
A mall is the key metric on how interesting a city is? How dense is this woman?
11:10 the JW Marriott is awesome in this video and looks like it's right out of Vegas! Did you stay there Nick ❓❓❓❓❓❓
I did not
Nappy town. Zzz...
I love Indianapolis 😋🤩
although i don’t go into the city as often as i should… the “quietness” of it is what makes it so good… you get the biggest single day sporting event every year, but it’s not a super busy, annoying city
This analysis was kind of biased but okay lol I lived in Indianapolis for pretty much all my life I grew up on the east side there's always been crime in Indianapolis I just think Indianapolis is not a publicized place a lot of people just don't know about Indianapolis and the crime seen but crime has has got so bad to where you can't ignore it anymore but we've always had crime here and gangs, also is a spread out city and most residents don't really go downtown unless they're handling business or going to a convention during the day there are a lot of stuff to do though downtown on the weekend and at night time there are a handful of clubs the eastsidaz a big place there are really bad neighborhoods and pretty decent neighborhoods also Indianapolis has a hidden history of terrible race relations it is a very segregated place and wealth inequality that is super obvious there are a lot of rich white people in Indianapolis and a lot of poor people of color also the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan lived on the south side for years just to give you an idea of some of the politics in Indianapolis it's not the best place in the world to live but there are a lot of places to go to if you know how to move chill with the colts jokes bro 1 love 💯🙏🏽🙏🏽😂
I love Indianapolis. Just like every city we have been hit hard with somethings due to covid like rise in crime. However, Indianapolis is amazing. It is a big city but a small town feel and everyone is generally nice. Plus, Indianapolis is known to be one of the cleanest cities in the country. I like your videos but this one actually hurt. Yes, Indy is going through some things, but I have pride from living here. Plus, if you want to see culture, go to Irvington or Broad Ripple, Mass Ave. And Carmel, Fishers, and Brownsburg was the top town/city to live in, in the country. I wish you could come back in the summer and try again and find the positive side of Indy.
That's kind of cool the building over the road!
Everybody in Indiana knows to stay away from the 465 circle
465 Circle????
Nick birds of a feather flock together. In regards to everyone mostly bad moving into Nap town.
Here's one for you. Try coming to Anchorage Alaska , this is turning into an armpit. No it already has! Worse than Chicago! I have lived in Alaska for 38 years. Anchorage has never been so bad.
I lived in Lafayette, Indiana, for 5 years. My parents, grandparents and ancestors are Hoosiers and Indianans on both sides for generations from all corners of the state. Many graves in Marion County, which is Indianapolis via the united gov't. I know.
Indianapolis is a working class city in the Midwest 2 hours from Chicago.
The talent and career ambition goes to Chicago.
Kentucky/Tennessee vibes. Mid-South culture more than Northern/Midwest culture.
I don't know why you would want to live in Indianapolis, but the sports and airport are good.
Outdoors activities are sparse because winter and it's not a priority.
The manufacturing bust murdered the economy and this is the rust belt = plenty of despair.
I bet the people are very based and chill and I think that's a plus. Hoosiers are great people.
Pork Tenderloin Sandwiches are indeed there and are delicious.
It's a Democrat run dump. That's what the problem is.
This guy went downtown at like 9am
Of course nobody is going to be outside
I’m from Indianapolis and downtown and board ripple are lit pretty much ever night from Thursday- Sunday.
Wow! I just moved back to So Cal after living in Indy for around 13 years. Yes there’s the crime element and that’s everywhere. Downtown near the mall there was/is an issue with juveniles staying out past curfew and causing havoc, but its obvious this girl you interviewed doesn’t get out much. The life music scene is awesome if you’re into that…everything to The Palladium on the north side to Punk music, music festivals and everything in between. Best bet would be the near south side of Downtown in an area called fountain Square. It used to be an artist community with some of the best restaurants in the city. Greenwood is still a quiet and nice place for most of the people that got pushed out of downtown living.But it got put on the news not too long ago with that spree shooting, but its still has a lot of activity for a mall. There’s a lot of good things that I kinda miss compared to Cali, especially the cost of living. I like your channel Nick! Keep up the good work.
If it’s that good, why did you move?
@@JustThink2000 Family stuff…
Why don't you talk about the correlation between race and crime?? I like Downtown Indy. It's not bad downtown, just in the surrounding neighborhoods where you get single parent homes and particular races committing crimes from thugs many moving from Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati areas
Should vet new citizens at the city limits.
Thugs= N word 2022
“Not a lot of culture here and not much food besides steaks and burgers” meanwhile you’re within a block of a beautiful theater, two Italian restaurants, boba tea, a chocolate shop, a Thai restaurant, and all kinds of other stuff. There aren’t many homeless people downtown compared to other cities. I hate to be a defensive local and you’re right about crime but not much else. I get that negativity gets the views though so you gotta do what you gotta do.
Talks like Greenwood is so far away on the south side and it's closers than Fishers
i visited IUPUI a few weeks ago and went around downtown indy a bit... downtown indy seemed pretty nice, nicer than downtown columbus ohio (where im from), even if the city is a crime ridden hellhole
Nope. U crazy lol. Downtown Columbus is a lot larger with more fun and neighborhoods. They copied off downtown Columbus along time ago with circle center mall
@@rahimi4762 im talking just downtown. not including the short north and what not. though ill admit i had very low expectations lol
I visited Columbus and Cincinnati recently, loved both better than Cleveland
@@rahimi4762 Columbus alway has had an inferiority complex when it comes to Indy. Literally everyone I've met from Columbus gets defensive and starts talking about how much bigger, better etc it is over Indy. Kind of pathetic, actually...
@@HellenVanPattersonPatton80 no not an inferiority complex, I mean why would it? I like both places. Indy is more bland mostly. It has Columbus on the circle and the pro sports teams other than that, nothing