At Safety Kleen we had a vacuum truck that we sucked up hazardous waste with. Sometimes emptying drums. And that sort of thing..one day the Cummims engine started pulling in fumes from the vacuum pump. The engine blew up. We had a.yard tractor with a Detroit 2 cycle that leaked oil. The boss said we cant have oil leaking in the yard. Fix it. I cut about 6 inches off the bottom of a 55 gallon drum put some kitty litter in it and tied it under the engine. We used a lot of Detroit 2 cycles in the oil fields. Sometimes the guys would lug the Detroits and they would start running in reverse. One time I was operating off road and put too much load on a Detroit. Both top radiater hoses pulled off. Went down to get a drivers license. The trooper saw the passanger seat was a 5 gallon pail.He said I guess you can drive it been seeing you on the road. Got my license. One time I hit a dip in the road. The air seat slammed my head against the roof. Came back down and punctured a can of ether under the seat. My first diesel to drive was a Cummins.To start it you had someone pull a lever on the engine. The boss said we had a guy call in sick. You will be taking a load to Oklahoma City. I came back into the office. I said it has no oil pressure the winshield is broken in front of my face and it wont go in reverse. He said its a Detroit it dont need oil pressure slam the shifter as hard as you can to the right and pull it into reverse. I said hell no. He pressured the regular driver to come in sick. I remember climbing up into a White cab over. Im thinking this is the biggest thing ive ever seen. Big money. 3.75 an hour and guaranteed 55 hrs a week.
Worked on a Frack crew. We spent a lot of time being towed to a oil well by bull dozer or trying to get unstuck from a mud hole by shifting back and forth .Very tough on equipment. Had to watch out for Dozers pulling you sideways.when your wheels were sunk to the hubs. Many years ago I was reading about a Guy that ran a 3 cylinder Detroit and a Chrysler transmission in a Ford pickup. Something about the Torque Flite transmission didnt need a vacuum line. Diesel pickups were rare then.
On my old 50 year old Motor Guards I dropped a spacer in the bottom to push up on the shorter TP. The Old Motor Guards filtered from the bottom up. On the old VW beetle I tilted the filter so the large abrasives wouldnt gravity back to the engine at shut down. In the early 60s Frantz recommended putting the Frantz upside down on the beetle. The Jackmaster Classic has an air fitting .I hook up a cigarette lighter air pump to push out the excess oil before changing the TP. Sister wrecked the old Impala. My last two Frantzs went to a auto salvage somewhere in Dallas TX. In the early 80s I saw the FAA approved AeroFrantz on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas. The Frantzs are obsolete now. The top loaders are better equipped to use TP. Havent used the Refiner. The Jackmaster is the easiest to service of the ones still in production. You can buy 30 dollar TP these days. I believe the AeroFrantz used 2 ply facial quality TP. The Jackmaster Classic has a better element than TP. Not sure how much they cost. I have been using Great Value 1000 from Walmart. Many use Scott 1000.
True, on this truck I run a MotorGuard M100 for the transmission, Frantz for fuel and oil. I use the Kirkland brand rolls that are 4.5" long that are like the old rolls used to be. For the center I use a sleeve. I pretty much use either a M100 or Frantz on every vehicle I own. I've copied your M30 you used to make and that's worked great as well.:) I've been told the refiner is really good, but like the old Frantz and MotorGuard too much.:)
At one time I was buying the m30 compressed air Motor Guards for about 75 bucks putting an orifice in them and aluminum parts in them. Saw one for 175 bucks from where I was paying 75 a short time ago. I paid 250 aprox. for a Jackmaster including shipping from Australia with no oil lines and fittings.Its a tough business. Most people think an engine will last longer if you allow the oil to get dirty then drain it. John Frantz wanted a filter material better than anything else and was economical. He didnt count on the liars and fools. I was putting a Frantz oil cleaner on a new 63 dodge pickup. His brother drove up. He said I would have given you mine.The oil is dirty and my lifters are noisy. He was asked when he changed the Frantz last. He said change it. The guy that I bought it from said it would last a lifetime. One guy said toilet paper breaks down in a septic tank.
Was sellimg Frantzs ar the Denton Texas flea market in the mid 80s. An older couple showed me their 53 Chevy they bought new and put a Frantz on it. That was the origional 53 model that was a Frantz canister with a hole in the center so it would slide inside the old canister. Then a piece of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe with a washer welded to it slid inside the TP core. Of course you had the washers and seals. A trucker showed me his two Frantz 3 stackers. On his 8V 71. Said he gets a 6 pack of Safeway Truly fFine to service them. Good to know about the Longer roll TP. Some Frantz users are pushing the TP in too far. When I used the Frantz you didnt need the sleeve. Jackmaster has a very firm TP with a 1 1/2 inch core hidden in a fabric cover..I believe it is the shorter roll. One guy at the flea market told me so much TP was getting in the oil passages Frantz had been outlawed in Texas. It never ends. A Amsoil dealer here in Sanger Texas told me he went to change the Frantz and the.TP was gone. It was somewhere in the oul system. Its no wonder they are trying to hide the TP in a sock. I was selling the Frantz then. About 40 years ago.The famous Frantz 3 stacker was similar to the origional.You can still find them mostly on marine diesels. I believe the old origional 53 had a screen in the bottom of the cannister so the TP wouldnt go all the way to the bottom and shut off the oil. The 3 stacker was the same. Lots of bull shit about micron ratings.Ive heard 1 100th of 1 micron 1/10 th of.1 micron 1 micron sub micron 2 micron 4 micron. When the Delo went from black to amber when I put the Frantz on the Rambler thats all I needed to know. You cant clean oil with pleated paper. It takes depth.
@@ralphwood8818 True, I sure love the Frantz and MotorGuard.:) Lot's of Jokes about the TP, but it works really nice. I change the rolls every three thousand miles and that keeps my oil clean. Transmission filter every 10,000 miles and the fuel filter every 6000.:)
I did overkill on a 87 Toyota Camry. I ran a Motor Guard on the gasoline.At about 200.000 miles the TP was black about 1/8 inch into the white paper.. A complete waste of TP. I still have a few Frantz two port sandwich adapters. I normally convert them to single ports for the lawn mowers. They use ford adapters. Sometimes thats the only way to get oil pressure on the mowers. About 1980 I got a call from mr Jones of the Jones bus company of Wichita Kansas His Chevy pickup Frantz oil cleaner needed some attention. The fender panel had metal fatigue damage around the Frantz bracket. I replaced the hoses and gasket. He was retired and raising Clydsdale horses. He was a Frantz guy.He had thank you letters from Frantz in picture frames on the walls. The Jones bus company was school buses. Wife and I had a good visit. Of course the buses were Frantz equipped. He had a big school bus modified to haul a Clydsdale. We found a oil drum to repair the Chevy. Rough roads.
At one time Frantz sold filters to restaurants to clean the cooking oil. They could use the cooking oil a lot longer. They were similar to the famous Frantz 3 stacker for diesel engines.
My wife came in the driveway awhile ago and saw the 4 wheel drive Ford 3 cylinder Japanese diesel with a loader in the yard. She said you already have a tractor. I said true but it needs new tires. Looks like a good candidate for using vegy oil. I wont bother. Probably wont use over 5 gallons a year. Its a fixer upper. Should be able to find a Frantz 2 port sandwich adapter in my junk. If not I have a Perma Cool universal 2 ports. I have a converted M 60 Motor Guard for the fuel. I will probable use Angel Soft for the fuel. My wife said dont do anything without your cell phone. You might fall and cant get up. Dont know why she thinks that.
I’d love to see a video and detail on your filter for your transmission. I think as you said in this video, you have also got one for your transmission for your oil and one for your fuel. Can’t find any other videos anywhere going into toilet paper filters how you adapted to the transmission
Nice, I forgot I did a video of the toilet paper filter last year. I have to do another one this month as well. Here's the video.:) th-cam.com/video/XLfVwD4KEVw/w-d-xo.html
Frantz had a transmission adapter. So did Gulf Coast. It was one piece. Ive made a few. Its two tees with a orifice in between. The fluid hits the orifice and part of it goes thru the filter and to the low side of the orifice. Gulf Coast used a 1/8 inch orifice Frantz used a size smaller. Some small transmissions dont have enough flow. Of course the adapter goes in the oil line to the cooler. On a Buick Dynaflow I once used a high accumulator test plug for pressure and a self tapping hollow bolt for clean fluid return to the oil pan. The Dynaflow used fins on the torque converter for cooling. Some old Frantz users simply put the Frantz in series with the oil cooler and kept the Frantz clean. Normally you drill out the orifice. For the Dynaflow I needed the orifice.
Gulf Coast filters is putting filters on the offshore rigs. I remember thinking that big engine looks like a big Detroit.. Im pretty sure they are 2 strokes. They at one time used Frantz 3 stackers. They pass an electric current thru the used oil sample to check for contamination. If they get a high reading a sample goes to the lab. I believe they are locomotive engines with the generators. EMDs ?
That's a great idea with the electric current through the oil.:) Yes emd's were 2-stroke GM engines and very reliable.:) I'll be doing a video soon on a MotorGuard M100 on my Ford 5R110. Has 25,000 miles on it, so pulling soon to change out the roll.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 A guy on another forum said he wasnt putting a 90 cent roll of toilet paper in his new truck. I wonder how much a GM locomotive engine costs. In the early 80s I was invited to look at AeroFrantzs on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas. I have read oil analysis reports on light aircraft. I remember when I put a Frantz on my Rambler in 1963 I thought everyone will want one of these. It doesnt work that way. People think proper maintenance is allowing the oil to get dirty then draining it.
@@ralphwood8818 Very true, It's a hard sell to get the idea that the oil doesn't have to be changed every 3000 miles, but for decades that's what everyone has been told. It's good business for the shops and oil companies.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 The famous Frantz 3 stackers still come up on Ebay sometimes. Motor Guard had manifolds. The bigger the engine the more they manifolde together. 2 3 and 4.. when I tried to bring back the Motor Guard the manager asked me what I planned to market them as. I said automotive. They put me in touch with their Dallas dealer. He said I never heard of using them.to filter oil. To him automotive meant compressed air filtering in body shop painting. Aircraft use meant painting aircraft .No clue why the name is Motor Guard.
@@detroitgarage9430 you won’t be disappointed. Scott 1000 rolls fit without any unwrapping, no wire clip/pull ring, beautiful construction. Everything that’s great about the original with no drawbacks, only improvements. I highly recommend it. I’m probably going to purchase a few extra to have on hand before they’re out of production.
@@detroitgarage9430 I think I’m going to do the same. Ed sure is a nice guy to deal with. I’m gonna get some spare square cut O rings for the lid as well.
The best of the TP filters is the Jackmaster. I have the Jackmaster Classic started with the Frantz in 1963. All I have in use now is the Motor Guard the Gulf Coast junior and the Austrailian Jackmaster Classic. I clogged up the TP in about a minute with a little too much bacon grease. I use Great Value 1000 from Walmart in my filters. The Austrailian Jackmaster has a harder roll than TP. In a sock. They are set up to also use a firm TP. They have a 2 inch core seal with no center tube to put a spacer on Strong paper doesnt need a center tube.j
At one time I was getting Cummins Fleetguard 750 filters from a International truck dealer. Their best elements were pulverized newspapers and wood chips. I would get the heavy paper towels like they have in the machines in the Walmart bathroom. It was like a hard roll of toilet paper only a lot larger I would copy the Fleet Guard element with a couple of round plates and a perforated piece of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe.. I punched the paper towel core full of holes with a ice pick. The Frantz was a better system because the oil had to travel end to end. At one time Luberfiner used cotton in the 750 filters. Cummins claimed an 80 % engine life increase using the Fleedguard 750.. I still have a nice little 500. When the dealership owner passed away so did my discount. With the big Gulf Coast filters the oil passes thru 22 inches of paper towels on the big filter double roll models. At one time they used Bounty Big Roll paper towels. They are in a sock now. One guy says he uses a Costco towel. We dont have a Costco here. Many years ago I would pull the cotton out of a Fram filter element and put in a roll of firm TP.. about 2 inches of filter media compaired to about 4 with the Frantz.
I've tried to find the small Gulf Coast that used one roll of paper towel, but they are hard to find. I ended up running a PuraDyn TF24 and MotorGuard M100 on my Cummins 6bt and that worked great, put 55,000 miles on with no oil changes and oil reports were excellent. Changes the M100 every 3000 miles and kept the TBN up in the oil. Unfortunately the truck was in an accident and a total loss.:( The PuraDyn uses compressed cotton.:)
My 41 Dodge had a Fram with a cotton element the same as the old luberfiners. It had a decal of a dipstick with golden oil on it. It read the dipstick tells the story. The cotton wasnt compressed. My 37 Studebaker book said it wasnt necessary to drain the oil except for seasonal reasons. Change the filter when the oil.looks dirty on the depth gauge.I dont think Fram has made good bypass filter elements since the 60s. Dug out my old Fleetguard 500. Found a empty box that said Scott center pull paper towels. They were as good as Scott 1000 toilet paper. I believe the Walmart Great Value is 4 1/4 inch.The Jackmaster.element is 4 inches.When I was sending TP filters to Europe.some had to get the their TP from a different country.
When I was working for Safety Kleen I had the Gulf Coast O1s on the 2 cycle Detroit in the yard tractor and the hydraulic systems. I had the Gulf Coast juniors tp filters on the other engines. The 5.9 Cummins on the fire pump didnt run enough for the big filters.
If I remember right the Luberfiners didnt compress the cotton in very tight. The same for the little Fram bypass filters. The compressed cotton filters must be one hell of a filter. Bought a WIX element for a Cummins Fleetguard 750 years ago. It was pulverized newspapers and wood chips.
I went with the top loaders in the 80s. Thought the Frantzs were all gone. Opened up a drum.There was a Luberfiner 750 a Cummins Fleetguard 750 and 2 older than dirt Frantz oil cleaners. I put one Frantz on a lawn mower. It was full of transmission fluid. Needs a gasket and it has the non adjustable clamp.
Just found a stock Ford bypass filter for a flat head Ford V8. It is designed to bolt to a head. The bracket is at an angle so the filter will be upright. I think I will do a John Frantz TP conversion on it and put it on the Ford Tractor.. The John Frantz adapter used a Frantz canister inside the Ford canister. I will use only the Ford canister. Some TP will fit. The paper I use will need a few rounds added..Normally elements for the Ford came with a new gasket. I dont have a gasket cutter. Had it for many years. It needs to start cleaning oil.
I did it the easy way.Nothing like the Frantz adapter. I cut the thread end of a full flow filter. I drilled the plate with additional holes. I put some washers under the plate so the TP would be near the top. Had an old plastic radiator cap that screws onto a plastic tank for a 2006 Pontiac. Pried out the center and cut it so I could remove the valve drilled it so it would slide on the Ford center tube. tight enough that it didnt need a seal and loose enough so the lid spring would push it down against the TP. Had some Scott 1000 that was the perfect size. I happened to have Amsoil self tapping hollow bolts. For the bottom and lid. The paper covers the origional inlet. I will put pipe plugs in the old inlet and outlet. The oil will simply go into the lid down thru the TP and out the bottom. I will add a air valve to push out the oil before servicing it. I will probably use a 2 port sandwich adapter. No orifice is needed. John Frantz used a piece of exhaust pipe welded to a washer to seal the top.. He used the origional ports. The Ford filter is hell for strong with a strong welded on bracket. Wont have to worry about brush on the Ford tractor. The filter is designed for a flat gasket. Found a O ring that will fit. The filter will be tilted. With the O Ring I will need to not tighten the bolt too much. If I have trouble it will be with the topseal around the core. Might have to make adjustments. Probably not. Got some information on the Ford tractor. It has two shifters because it is a 12 speed.
One problem with the sandwich adapters is they wont let air into the filter at shut down. The filter wont drain unless it can get air. Put a air valve at the inlet. Too late now. When I change it again I will add a pull out bail similar to a Frantz.when I started the tractor the top of the filter heated up.and the heat worked its way down to the bottom like it should The tractor shows 1555 hours on the meter. Looks like it has been out in the weather for over 40 years. Alternator doesnt work. It will get a oldsmobile alternator. All of these old canister filters were virtually the same. Good elements for them are non existent now.
The inlet on the Ford canister is near the top.I used it. The trick is for the oil to go in the top down thru the Scott 1000 thru the perforated plate and out the bottom. The stock orifice in the center tube wont let the excess oil drain. I sometimes make an orifice. Since this filter uses a oil cooler sandwich adapter it doesnt need the orifice. The lid spring keeps pressure on the washer that bridges the space between the TP core and the Ford center tube. John Frantz welded a piece of exhaust pipe to the washer to keep the softer paper in those days from the core collapsing. Not necessary for firm paper. I put a tubeless tire valve in the lid to push the excess oil out of the filter before changing. Thats why I installed a seperate out port and plugged the outlet port with the orifice.
The old Peugeot diesel was a pain to install a Frantz on. Banjo fittings and an aluminum oil pan. I decided to return the clean oil to the valve cover with a self tapping hollow bolt. Returned the oil to the wrong side of a baffel. With the wife driving we headed to town.. I told her to slow the damn thing down. She said it wont slow down. We were running on motor oil. Got it off the road and stuffed a jacket in the air intake. That car I think would have needed a Frantz 2 port sandwich adapter for a Ford. A dangerous mistake. Didnt have the adapters at the shop.
If it's the same as my engine you'll need a left hand rotation pump. Here's a great example of a left and right pump, easy to tell the difference once you see them.:) dieselpro.com/detroit-diesel-parts/453-engine-turbo/fresh-water-pumps.html
I am surprised, given your extensive,3 tier, up flow settling and then filtering to 2 micron that you are only getting 6000 miles before your filter plugs up. I have a 2 tier up flow with 5 and 2 micron filter setup. However, I only pour clear oil into the filtering system after it has settled for about a year. I get a full year off of a Baldwin diesel filter. I suspect the much denser toilet paper is plugging with residual fats. Been at this for 12 years and 4 vehicles currently on it.
I removed this filter from the system after I made a two tank system. It turned out the carter fuel pump was starting to have issues. I replaced it with a different style pump and that seemed to have helped. I changed that system out shortly after, so did not get enough time to test the life of the filter. Now I have no issues with filters on my truck or on my 320 fill tank. On the truck now I run a heated tank, 100% veg filtered through a Racor GreenMax 4400 30um and a 10um Donaldson secondary.:) Thanks for watching.:)
I just ran a 6 day bench test on my Modified M100. I would like to have you look at pictures of the element as I suspect I have an issue and I want to fix it prior to installing it on my truck. If you prefer not to share your email, I could post it on my TH-cam channel and I believe the link could be shared here.
I put a Frantz on Shaw auto parts owners Datsun Maxima. Mr Shaw let me display the Frantz on the front counter one old timer.asked me if they were as.good as.a Fram. That was Shaw Auto parts in Sedan Kansas. In 1955 I was working in a gas station about 12 miles south of Sedan. An old timer came in with with an over heated engine. The fan belt was missing. We sold fishing equipment. I used trot line cord to make a fan belt..I said that should get you to Sedan. A few days later he came and thanked me. Told me its still working. We had a door spring on the Hupmobile for a fan belt. Dad came to the gas station and told me the Sheriff told him if I didnt go back to school him and the gas station owner were going to jail. I was 15 and living in an old camper. The Sherriff stopped and talked to me. Didnt realize shit was about to hit the fan.In Oklahoma you had to be 18 or graduated to quit school. Before that I worked in a DX station. Lived in the station. The owner lived in Pawhuska Oklahoma. He left me some guns to protect myself from thugs that came up from Pawhuska.He thought it would be funny to scare me one night by rattling a window and shining a light under his chin. He almost died. His 38 was under my pillow. I told Oscar Renfro im out of stuff to sell. He said yes I know I found you another job. Put the guns in the attic .what money I had was about what Sy Enyart owed me and went to the other station.
I was wondering if you could use vegie oil in the newer trucks that can use E 85. In the Army we used mostly gasoline. When I went into the Idaho Army national Guard we had many diesed trucks.. They werent all labeled. It was.common to.fill up the gasoline trucks with diesel and other way around. The seargent said you will be driving a 5 ton today.It was a multi fuel. In the Army we had them but I had never driven one.I said how do you start this thing. I drove a 5 ton from Coer d Alene to Boise. It was hard work. Went down that long grade keeping the brakes from over heating. Went back by Helicopter. Was sitting next to the noisy transmission with ear phones. Heard the pilot say hope that transmission gets us back to Coeur d Alene. Dont know if he was just jacking with us.Was glad to get back.
About 1980 I was visiting my wifes sister in Salt Lake city. She wanted a Frantz on her new Honda.went to a Frantz Amsoil dealer. He had a display of Classic Frantz oil cleaners. I saw Frantzs I didnt know John Frantz had. When she moved to Texas she wanted me to put AC in it..Told her it wasnt worth it. Too much salt damage.She gave it to a church member that was needing a car . I got a call years later asking me if I wanted the car. It had over 350.000 miles on it.and had a engine noise.
I thimk if I converted Motor Guards again I wouldnt put a center tube in like a Frantz. I would put a spacer in the bottom and top thick enough to compress the core slightly. The only reason I put somethimg in the top is to keep the core from going all the way to the top and stopping the flow. I would make sure the core is sealed. You could get inventive on the bottom seal if you have a lathe.. Then all you do is tell the customer to use a strong paper so the core wont collapse. The Gulf.Coast junior has a center tube but it does nothing except to make it easier to remove the TP.. The only reason the regular Frantz needs a center tube is so the oil pressure will push the TP core down against the core seal. With the bottom loaders you have no way to push the core down against the core seal that is too small for the bigger core.. worked fine for the old 1 1/2 inch cores or the Frantz elements. The old design wasnt an engineering masterpiece. Its easy to see why the better filters are top loaders. I think the Gulf Coast junior has a 1 3/8 inch center tube. When you pull out the tube the seal and TP comes out with it. On the Jackmaster Classic I use long nosed pliers. The Jackmaster Classic has a fabric cover with a pull ring. A guy on another forum says if they were. Any good they wouldnt be only used by the uninformed. Might have been the same guy that says TP breaks down in a septic tank. One guy said they worked good in the old days before they started designing toilet paper to disolve in water. One guy says if you wipe with wet TP your finger will break thru.
I installed a MotorGuard M100 on my Ford V10 when I bought it. The oil was in bad shape, so I thought it was a good candidate to test the M100. I never changed the oil, but installed the M100 and changed the full flow filter. The engine was really dirty and plugged the M100 every 500 miles. After 10 filters the engine cleaned up and I changed M100 rolls every 3000 miles after. I put 25,000 miles with no oil changes, just a roll of TP every 3000 miles. I still have the truck, just a standby rig incase I ever need to use it.
We had trouble in the 60s. Some engines were sludged up so bad the Frantz could fill up in less than 50 miles.I was telling people to change the Frantz every 2000 miles and put in a quart of oil. My Rambler American engine was pristine before I put on the Frantz. It was nearly new. It took about one day for the Frantz to turn the oil from black to amber. The Rambler came factory equipped with a spin on bypass filter bolted to the flat head 6 with steel oil lines..The over head valve engines came with a full flow filter. Told my uncle we have to change the Frantz every 50 miles or open the engine and remove the sludge.Also he had removed the thermostat. Said they werent needed in California. Thats all the excuse he needed to trade the car in on a new pickup. We put the Frantz on that. Like a fool I went to Oklahoma and put A Motor Guard on my dads 51 Pontiac. Gave my cousin a new Motor Guard. Went to a family reunion about 20 years later. I was reminded of the worthless filter that filled up with sludge and quit working. My cousin said the kids were playing catch with the Motor Guard and hit it on a rock. I was able to salvage the top half. No telling what happened to the hose and fittings and the bracket. Told my wife lets get the hell out of here.
You can mess up your equipment real fast if you dont know what you are doing. When I was doing it It was learn as you go. I was getting a lot of animal fat. All of the restaurants had contracts with companies that pick it up. For awhile the city of Denton Texas was picking it up and making biodiesel. A lot of trucks had trouble with it..There were some lawsuits. It swells orings for one thing.The manual pump on the Datsun used to prime the system locked up. The Datsun had a simple injection pump that could handle the cooking oil better than the more complicated Ford 6.9 injection pump. I had a formula like 30 gallons of cooking oil and 5 gallons of gasoline and some cleaner. I had a 35 gallon plastic tank in the bed of the Datsun.
That's true, I'm coming up to 11 months running the veg and have all the bugs worked out. I'm running 90% veg and 10% gasoline and that works perfect. As fall is quickly approaching I'm installing a heated second tank so I can run 12 months of the year on veg. I have 2 restaurants I collect from every two weeks and they have nice clean Canola oil. All in all very happy with running wvo.:)
Was talking to a guy that designed the Motor Guard oil filter. At the time he had a Peugeot diesel. He had a restaurant that set aside containers of canola oil in the containers it came in. I had a 55 gallon drum with a hand pump. I was actually stealing it. I had a stainless steel elevated tank. I would let it settle for a few days. I had a big Fleetguard that I had converted to use Bounty big roll paper towels.It was beutiful but too much animal fat. One time I changed the toilet paper 3 times going 22 miles to work.The old 6.9 Ford had two 50 gallon truck saddle tanks. I called a company that collected the oil. They gave me a price about the same as I could get diesel at the starion.. Sometimes I would get a layer of pure white lard on top of the TP that looked like you could fry eggs in it..
About 1971 I was putting a Motor Guard on a 71 GMC Sprint.Like a Chevy El Camino. My first experience with plastic fender panels. A potato farm near Sand Point Idaho. Mosquitoes were eating me up. Heard a commotion. I was surrounded by elk. The farmer said its hunting season. They know they are safe here. His daughter was a beauty. Later she came into my garage for a minor repair. My wife came by. She said what is she doing here. I said for a car repair. She said yes I bet she did. The lady is in her 80s now. Probably still looks good.
As you know the origional Motor Guards compressed the TP down against the inlet. Not so good filtering fuel. I dropped a wire coil in the bottom for fuel. One of my Motor Guard customers tried to change the TP with the engine running.He made a mess. He told me to take the filter back which I did. Didnt expect that. The guy is a lot smarter than I am. He didnt ask me to clean the garage or the car. Correction. It was a Frantz. You can imagine flipping the over center clamp with the engine running. The Motor Guard would have started leaking.. It was hard to turn the T handle under pressure on the Motor Guard. My guess is it was a Quiet running engine. He didnt realize he forgot to turn it off. I had to stop using the Gulf Coast junior for air at work. It had the over center clamp. Compressed air can kill you. Mr Sims of Gulf Coast Filters would have raised hell if he knew all the things I used his filters for as a mechanic for Safety Kleen. He said dont ever use sandwich adapters with my filters. Someone down there asked me how to put a filter on a Humvee. I said use a sandwich adapter.. All hell broke loose.In those days the Hum Vee had a 6.2 GM diesel. Thats when I decided to bring back the Motor Guard. Motor Guard liked the idea until they realized this guy will use TP in them like the origionals. Every so often the coating will seperate from the aluminum. I told them to send me 100 with no coating. That was the last straw.using TP and removing the coating. Their elements are like coffee filter paper in a roll wirh a leak proof plastic core. They tell people the reason the coating sometimes seperates is leaving them full of fluids. The coating was perfect after about 20 years full of gasoline on the Camry. The coating seperated in a few weeks on the Farmall. Filtering gasoline explain that. I cant. We didnt drain oil with the Frantz in the 60s. When Frantz came out with their own elements it was if you use TP you should change the oil.
You have helped me out alot with ideas and Detroit problems. Thanks again!
You're welcome and thanks for watching.:)
At Safety Kleen we had a vacuum truck that we sucked up hazardous waste with. Sometimes emptying drums. And that sort of thing..one day the Cummims engine started pulling in fumes from the vacuum pump. The engine blew up. We had a.yard tractor with a Detroit 2 cycle that leaked oil. The boss said we cant have oil leaking in the yard. Fix it. I cut about 6 inches off the bottom of a 55 gallon drum put some kitty litter in it and tied it under the engine. We used a lot of Detroit 2 cycles in the oil fields. Sometimes the guys would lug the Detroits and they would start running in reverse. One time I was operating off road and put too much load on a Detroit. Both top radiater hoses pulled off. Went down to get a drivers license. The trooper saw the passanger seat was a 5 gallon pail.He said I guess you can drive it been seeing you on the road. Got my license. One time I hit a dip in the road. The air seat slammed my head against the roof. Came back down and punctured a can of ether under the seat. My first diesel to drive was a Cummins.To start it you had someone pull a lever on the engine. The boss said we had a guy call in sick. You will be taking a load to Oklahoma City. I came back into the office. I said it has no oil pressure the winshield is broken in front of my face and it wont go in reverse. He said its a Detroit it dont need oil pressure slam the shifter as hard as you can to the right and pull it into reverse. I said hell no. He pressured the regular driver to come in sick. I remember climbing up into a White cab over. Im thinking this is the biggest thing ive ever seen. Big money. 3.75 an hour and guaranteed 55 hrs a week.
That's a great story, I daily run a Detroit 4-53T in my pickup. Really different and a lot of fun.:)
Worked on a Frack crew. We spent a lot of time being towed to a oil well by bull dozer or trying to get unstuck from a mud hole by shifting back and forth .Very tough on equipment. Had to watch out for Dozers pulling you sideways.when your wheels were sunk to the hubs. Many years ago I was reading about a Guy that ran a 3 cylinder Detroit and a Chrysler transmission in a Ford pickup. Something about the Torque Flite transmission didnt need a vacuum line. Diesel pickups were rare then.
Geniale idee!!!
Thanks and thanks for watching.:)
On my old 50 year old Motor Guards I dropped a spacer in the bottom to push up on the shorter TP. The Old Motor Guards filtered from the bottom up. On the old VW beetle I tilted the filter so the large abrasives wouldnt gravity back to the engine at shut down. In the early 60s Frantz recommended putting the Frantz upside down on the beetle. The Jackmaster Classic has an air fitting .I hook up a cigarette lighter air pump to push out the excess oil before changing the TP. Sister wrecked the old Impala. My last two Frantzs went to a auto salvage somewhere in Dallas TX. In the early 80s I saw the FAA approved AeroFrantz on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas. The Frantzs are obsolete now. The top loaders are better equipped to use TP. Havent used the Refiner. The Jackmaster is the easiest to service of the ones still in production. You can buy 30 dollar TP these days. I believe the AeroFrantz used 2 ply facial quality TP. The Jackmaster Classic has a better element than TP. Not sure how much they cost. I have been using Great Value 1000 from Walmart. Many use Scott 1000.
True, on this truck I run a MotorGuard M100 for the transmission, Frantz for fuel and oil. I use the Kirkland brand rolls that are 4.5" long that are like the old rolls used to be. For the center I use a sleeve. I pretty much use either a M100 or Frantz on every vehicle I own. I've copied your M30 you used to make and that's worked great as well.:) I've been told the refiner is really good, but like the old Frantz and MotorGuard too much.:)
At one time I was buying the m30 compressed air Motor Guards for about 75 bucks putting an orifice in them and aluminum parts in them. Saw one for 175 bucks from where I was paying 75 a short time ago. I paid 250 aprox. for a Jackmaster including shipping from Australia with no oil lines and fittings.Its a tough business. Most people think an engine will last longer if you allow the oil to get dirty then drain it. John Frantz wanted a filter material better than anything else and was economical. He didnt count on the liars and fools. I was putting a Frantz oil cleaner on a new 63 dodge pickup. His brother drove up. He said I would have given you mine.The oil is dirty and my lifters are noisy. He was asked when he changed the Frantz last. He said change it. The guy that I bought it from said it would last a lifetime. One guy said toilet paper breaks down in a septic tank.
Was sellimg Frantzs ar the Denton Texas flea market in the mid 80s. An older couple showed me their 53 Chevy they bought new and put a Frantz on it. That was the origional 53 model that was a Frantz canister with a hole in the center so it would slide inside the old canister. Then a piece of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe with a washer welded to it slid inside the TP core. Of course you had the washers and seals. A trucker showed me his two Frantz 3 stackers. On his 8V 71. Said he gets a 6 pack of Safeway Truly fFine to service them. Good to know about the Longer roll TP. Some Frantz users are pushing the TP in too far. When I used the Frantz you didnt need the sleeve. Jackmaster has a very firm TP with a 1 1/2 inch core hidden in a fabric cover..I believe it is the shorter roll. One guy at the flea market told me so much TP was getting in the oil passages Frantz had been outlawed in Texas. It never ends. A Amsoil dealer here in Sanger Texas told me he went to change the Frantz and the.TP was gone. It was somewhere in the oul system. Its no wonder they are trying to hide the TP in a sock. I was selling the Frantz then. About 40 years ago.The famous Frantz 3 stacker was similar to the origional.You can still find them mostly on marine diesels. I believe the old origional 53 had a screen in the bottom of the cannister so the TP wouldnt go all the way to the bottom and shut off the oil. The 3 stacker was the same. Lots of bull shit about micron ratings.Ive heard 1 100th of 1 micron 1/10 th of.1 micron 1 micron sub micron 2 micron 4 micron. When the Delo went from black to amber when I put the Frantz on the Rambler thats all I needed to know. You cant clean oil with pleated paper. It takes depth.
@@ralphwood8818 True, I sure love the Frantz and MotorGuard.:) Lot's of Jokes about the TP, but it works really nice. I change the rolls every three thousand miles and that keeps my oil clean. Transmission filter every 10,000 miles and the fuel filter every 6000.:)
I did overkill on a 87 Toyota Camry. I ran a Motor Guard on the gasoline.At about 200.000 miles the TP was black about 1/8 inch into the white paper.. A complete waste of TP. I still have a few Frantz two port sandwich adapters. I normally convert them to single ports for the lawn mowers. They use ford adapters. Sometimes thats the only way to get oil pressure on the mowers. About 1980 I got a call from mr Jones of the Jones bus company of Wichita Kansas His Chevy pickup Frantz oil cleaner needed some attention. The fender panel had metal fatigue damage around the Frantz bracket. I replaced the hoses and gasket. He was retired and raising Clydsdale horses. He was a Frantz guy.He had thank you letters from Frantz in picture frames on the walls. The Jones bus company was school buses. Wife and I had a good visit. Of course the buses were Frantz equipped. He had a big school bus modified to haul a Clydsdale. We found a oil drum to repair the Chevy. Rough roads.
I'm glad that the vegi oil is working out for you. Keep us posted!!
I sure will, thanks for watching.:)
At one time Frantz sold filters to restaurants to clean the cooking oil. They could use the cooking oil a lot longer. They were similar to the famous Frantz 3 stacker for diesel engines.
My wife came in the driveway awhile ago and saw the 4 wheel drive Ford 3 cylinder Japanese diesel with a loader in the yard. She said you already have a tractor. I said true but it needs new tires. Looks like a good candidate for using vegy oil. I wont bother. Probably wont use over 5 gallons a year. Its a fixer upper. Should be able to find a Frantz 2 port sandwich adapter in my junk. If not I have a Perma Cool universal 2 ports. I have a converted M 60 Motor Guard for the fuel. I will probable use Angel Soft for the fuel. My wife said dont do anything without your cell phone. You might fall and cant get up. Dont know why she thinks that.
I’d love to see a video and detail on your filter for your transmission. I think as you said in this video, you have also got one for your transmission for your oil and one for your fuel.
Can’t find any other videos anywhere going into toilet paper filters how you adapted to the transmission
Ah ok, It's time to change out the toilet paper on the trans, so I'll do a video for that and show the setup. Thanks for watching.:)
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I just got my Amsoil bypass filter today
My next project to fit to my ford Barra Ute
Nice, I forgot I did a video of the toilet paper filter last year. I have to do another one this month as well. Here's the video.:) th-cam.com/video/XLfVwD4KEVw/w-d-xo.html
Frantz had a transmission adapter. So did Gulf Coast. It was one piece. Ive made a few. Its two tees with a orifice in between. The fluid hits the orifice and part of it goes thru the filter and to the low side of the orifice. Gulf Coast used a 1/8 inch orifice Frantz used a size smaller. Some small transmissions dont have enough flow. Of course the adapter goes in the oil line to the cooler. On a Buick Dynaflow I once used a high accumulator test plug for pressure and a self tapping hollow bolt for clean fluid return to the oil pan. The Dynaflow used fins on the torque converter for cooling. Some old Frantz users simply put the Frantz in series with the oil cooler and kept the Frantz clean. Normally you drill out the orifice. For the Dynaflow I needed the orifice.
how clean is your oil when you change the oil? im just curious if you are able to filter out all the soot in the oil.
Engine oil is still black as tar, so doesn't filter out all the soot.:)
Gulf Coast filters is putting filters on the offshore rigs. I remember thinking that big engine looks like a big Detroit.. Im pretty sure they are 2 strokes. They at one time used Frantz 3 stackers. They pass an electric current thru the used oil sample to check for contamination. If they get a high reading a sample goes to the lab. I believe they are locomotive engines with the generators. EMDs ?
That's a great idea with the electric current through the oil.:) Yes emd's were 2-stroke GM engines and very reliable.:) I'll be doing a video soon on a MotorGuard M100 on my Ford 5R110. Has 25,000 miles on it, so pulling soon to change out the roll.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 A guy on another forum said he wasnt putting a 90 cent roll of toilet paper in his new truck. I wonder how much a GM locomotive engine costs. In the early 80s I was invited to look at AeroFrantzs on crop dusters north of Sedan Kansas. I have read oil analysis reports on light aircraft. I remember when I put a Frantz on my Rambler in 1963 I thought everyone will want one of these. It doesnt work that way. People think proper maintenance is allowing the oil to get dirty then draining it.
@@ralphwood8818 Very true, It's a hard sell to get the idea that the oil doesn't have to be changed every 3000 miles, but for decades that's what everyone has been told. It's good business for the shops and oil companies.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 The famous Frantz 3 stackers still come up on Ebay sometimes. Motor Guard had manifolds. The bigger the engine the more they manifolde together. 2 3 and 4.. when I tried to bring back the Motor Guard the manager asked me what I planned to market them as. I said automotive. They put me in touch with their Dallas dealer. He said I never heard of using them.to filter oil. To him automotive meant compressed air filtering in body shop painting. Aircraft use meant painting aircraft .No clue why the name is Motor Guard.
@@ralphwood8818 Lol, before his time a suppose.:)
The newer Frantz Oil Refiner is really really nice as well and even easier to service and use. I love mine.
I've certainly considered the refiner, looks like a great unit.:) Thanks for watching.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 you won’t be disappointed. Scott 1000 rolls fit without any unwrapping, no wire clip/pull ring, beautiful construction. Everything that’s great about the original with no drawbacks, only improvements. I highly recommend it. I’m probably going to purchase a few extra to have on hand before they’re out of production.
@@lukestrasser I'll have to phone Ed and get one before they're gone.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 I think I’m going to do the same. Ed sure is a nice guy to deal with. I’m gonna get some spare square cut O rings for the lid as well.
The best of the TP filters is the Jackmaster. I have the Jackmaster Classic started with the Frantz in 1963. All I have in use now is the Motor Guard the Gulf Coast junior and the Austrailian Jackmaster Classic. I clogged up the TP in about a minute with a little too much bacon grease. I use Great Value 1000 from Walmart in my filters. The Austrailian Jackmaster has a harder roll than TP. In a sock. They are set up to also use a firm TP. They have a 2 inch core seal with no center tube to put a spacer on Strong paper doesnt need a center tube.j
At one time I was getting Cummins Fleetguard 750 filters from a International truck dealer. Their best elements were pulverized newspapers and wood chips. I would get the heavy paper towels like they have in the machines in the Walmart bathroom. It was like a hard roll of toilet paper only a lot larger I would copy the Fleet Guard element with a couple of round plates and a perforated piece of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe.. I punched the paper towel core full of holes with a ice pick. The Frantz was a better system because the oil had to travel end to end. At one time Luberfiner used cotton in the 750 filters. Cummins claimed an 80 % engine life increase using the Fleedguard 750.. I still have a nice little 500. When the dealership owner passed away so did my discount. With the big Gulf Coast filters the oil passes thru 22 inches of paper towels on the big filter double roll models. At one time they used Bounty Big Roll paper towels. They are in a sock now. One guy says he uses a Costco towel. We dont have a Costco here. Many years ago I would pull the cotton out of a Fram filter element and put in a roll of firm TP.. about 2 inches of filter media compaired to about 4 with the Frantz.
I've tried to find the small Gulf Coast that used one roll of paper towel, but they are hard to find. I ended up running a PuraDyn TF24 and MotorGuard M100 on my Cummins 6bt and that worked great, put 55,000 miles on with no oil changes and oil reports were excellent. Changes the M100 every 3000 miles and kept the TBN up in the oil. Unfortunately the truck was in an accident and a total loss.:( The PuraDyn uses compressed cotton.:)
My 41 Dodge had a Fram with a cotton element the same as the old luberfiners. It had a decal of a dipstick with golden oil on it. It read the dipstick tells the story. The cotton wasnt compressed. My 37 Studebaker book said it wasnt necessary to drain the oil except for seasonal reasons. Change the filter when the oil.looks dirty on the depth gauge.I dont think Fram has made good bypass filter elements since the 60s. Dug out my old Fleetguard 500. Found a empty box that said Scott center pull paper towels. They were as good as Scott 1000 toilet paper. I believe the Walmart Great Value is 4 1/4 inch.The Jackmaster.element is 4 inches.When I was sending TP filters to Europe.some had to get the their TP from a different country.
When I was working for Safety Kleen I had the Gulf Coast O1s on the 2 cycle Detroit in the yard tractor and the hydraulic systems. I had the Gulf Coast juniors tp filters on the other engines. The 5.9 Cummins on the fire pump didnt run enough for the big filters.
If I remember right the Luberfiners didnt compress the cotton in very tight. The same for the little Fram bypass filters. The compressed cotton filters must be one hell of a filter. Bought a WIX element for a Cummins Fleetguard 750 years ago. It was pulverized newspapers and wood chips.
I went with the top loaders in the 80s. Thought the Frantzs were all gone. Opened up a drum.There was a Luberfiner 750 a Cummins Fleetguard 750 and 2 older than dirt Frantz oil cleaners. I put one Frantz on a lawn mower. It was full of transmission fluid. Needs a gasket and it has the non adjustable clamp.
Just found a stock Ford bypass filter for a flat head Ford V8. It is designed to bolt to a head. The bracket is at an angle so the filter will be upright. I think I will do a John Frantz TP conversion on it and put it on the Ford Tractor.. The John Frantz adapter used a Frantz canister inside the Ford canister. I will use only the Ford canister. Some TP will fit. The paper I use will need a few rounds added..Normally elements for the Ford came with a new gasket. I dont have a gasket cutter. Had it for many years. It needs to start cleaning oil.
That should work really well.:)
I did it the easy way.Nothing like the Frantz adapter. I cut the thread end of a full flow filter. I drilled the plate with additional holes. I put some washers under the plate so the TP would be near the top. Had an old plastic radiator cap that screws onto a plastic tank for a 2006 Pontiac. Pried out the center and cut it so I could remove the valve drilled it so it would slide on the Ford center tube. tight enough that it didnt need a seal and loose enough so the lid spring would push it down against the TP. Had some Scott 1000 that was the perfect size. I happened to have Amsoil self tapping hollow bolts. For the bottom and lid. The paper covers the origional inlet. I will put pipe plugs in the old inlet and outlet. The oil will simply go into the lid down thru the TP and out the bottom. I will add a air valve to push out the oil before servicing it. I will probably use a 2 port sandwich adapter. No orifice is needed. John Frantz used a piece of exhaust pipe welded to a washer to seal the top.. He used the origional ports. The Ford filter is hell for strong with a strong welded on bracket. Wont have to worry about brush on the Ford tractor. The filter is designed for a flat gasket. Found a O ring that will fit. The filter will be tilted. With the O Ring I will need to not tighten the bolt too much. If I have trouble it will be with the topseal around the core. Might have to make adjustments. Probably not. Got some information on the Ford tractor. It has two shifters because it is a 12 speed.
One problem with the sandwich adapters is they wont let air into the filter at shut down. The filter wont drain unless it can get air. Put a air valve at the inlet. Too late now. When I change it again I will add a pull out bail similar to a Frantz.when I started the tractor the top of the filter heated up.and the heat worked its way down to the bottom like it should
The tractor shows 1555 hours on the meter. Looks like it has been out in the weather for over 40 years. Alternator doesnt work. It will get a oldsmobile alternator. All of these old canister filters were virtually the same. Good elements for them are non existent now.
I believe the O ring is for a Motor Guard.
The inlet on the Ford canister is near the top.I used it. The trick is for the oil to go in the top down thru the Scott 1000 thru the perforated plate and out the bottom. The stock orifice in the center tube wont let the excess oil drain. I sometimes make an orifice. Since this filter uses a oil cooler sandwich adapter it doesnt need the orifice. The lid spring keeps pressure on the washer that bridges the space between the TP core and the Ford center tube. John Frantz welded a piece of exhaust pipe to the washer to keep the softer paper in those days from the core collapsing. Not necessary for firm paper. I put a tubeless tire valve in the lid to push the excess oil out of the filter before changing. Thats why I installed a seperate out port and plugged the outlet port with the orifice.
The old Peugeot diesel was a pain to install a Frantz on. Banjo fittings and an aluminum oil pan. I decided to return the clean oil to the valve cover with a self tapping hollow bolt. Returned the oil to the wrong side of a baffel. With the wife driving we headed to town.. I told her to slow the damn thing down. She said it wont slow down. We were running on motor oil. Got it off the road and stuffed a jacket in the air intake. That car I think would have needed a Frantz 2 port sandwich adapter for a Ford. A dangerous mistake. Didnt have the adapters at the shop.
What fuel pump and water pump I'd do I need for the same 453t? Right or left?
If it's the same as my engine you'll need a left hand rotation pump. Here's a great example of a left and right pump, easy to tell the difference once you see them.:) dieselpro.com/detroit-diesel-parts/453-engine-turbo/fresh-water-pumps.html
If your governor is on the passenger side, you'll need a RH pump. I'll have a look at mine tomorrow to confirm that for you.:)
Yeah it's out of a 1979 c60
Water pump and Govenor are both on the passenger side.
@@charleslefebre1867 Ok, same configuration as mine.:)
how many miles does that truck have
200,000 miles, thanks for watching.:)
@@detroitgarage9430 looks a lot better than my 185,000 mile 2005 gmc sierra
@@thegeokiller1529 I undercoat it every fall with Oil and have been doing that for 8 years now. I use a product call NewHampshire Oil Undercoating.
I am surprised, given your extensive,3 tier, up flow settling and then filtering to 2 micron that you are only getting 6000 miles before your filter plugs up. I have a 2 tier up flow with 5 and 2 micron filter setup. However, I only pour clear oil into the filtering system after it has settled for about a year. I get a full year off of a Baldwin diesel filter. I suspect the much denser toilet paper is plugging with residual fats. Been at this for 12 years and 4 vehicles currently on it.
I removed this filter from the system after I made a two tank system. It turned out the carter fuel pump was starting to have issues. I replaced it with a different style pump and that seemed to have helped. I changed that system out shortly after, so did not get enough time to test the life of the filter. Now I have no issues with filters on my truck or on my 320 fill tank. On the truck now I run a heated tank, 100% veg filtered through a Racor GreenMax 4400 30um and a 10um Donaldson secondary.:) Thanks for watching.:)
I just ran a 6 day bench test on my Modified M100. I would like to have you look at pictures of the element as I suspect I have an issue and I want to fix it prior to installing it on my truck. If you prefer not to share your email, I could post it on my TH-cam channel and I believe the link could be shared here.
Sure, my emails emerald310@gmail.com.:)
Thanks, I sent you some pictures.
@@jeffpope6252 Ok Thanks.:)
I put a Frantz on Shaw auto parts owners Datsun Maxima. Mr Shaw let me display the Frantz on the front counter one old timer.asked me if they were as.good as.a Fram. That was Shaw Auto parts in Sedan Kansas. In 1955 I was working in a gas station about 12 miles south of Sedan. An old timer came in with with an over heated engine. The fan belt was missing. We sold fishing equipment. I used trot line cord to make a fan belt..I said that should get you to Sedan. A few days later he came and thanked me. Told me its still working. We had a door spring on the Hupmobile for a fan belt. Dad came to the gas station and told me the Sheriff told him if I didnt go back to school him and the gas station owner were going to jail. I was 15 and living in an old camper. The Sherriff stopped and talked to me. Didnt realize shit was about to hit the fan.In Oklahoma you had to be 18 or graduated to quit school. Before that I worked in a DX station. Lived in the station. The owner lived in Pawhuska Oklahoma. He left me some guns to protect myself from thugs that came up from Pawhuska.He thought it would be funny to scare me one night by rattling a window and shining a light under his chin. He almost died. His 38 was under my pillow. I told Oscar Renfro im out of stuff to sell. He said yes I know I found you another job. Put the guns in the attic .what money I had was about what Sy Enyart owed me and went to the other station.
yep. I had one of these Frans filters. I would hook it to my pump and filter my waste atf. i will have to look for it. i think i still have it
They are a great filter, as well as the MotorGuard M100.:) Thanks for watching.:)
I was wondering if you could use vegie oil in the newer trucks that can use E 85. In the Army we used mostly gasoline. When I went into the Idaho Army national Guard we had many diesed trucks.. They werent all labeled. It was.common to.fill up the gasoline trucks with diesel and other way around. The seargent said you will be driving a 5 ton today.It was a multi fuel. In the Army we had them but I had never driven one.I said how do you start this thing. I drove a 5 ton from Coer d Alene to Boise. It was hard work. Went down that long grade keeping the brakes from over heating. Went back by Helicopter. Was sitting next to the noisy transmission with ear phones. Heard the pilot say hope that transmission gets us back to Coeur d Alene. Dont know if he was just jacking with us.Was glad to get back.
About 1980 I was visiting my wifes sister in Salt Lake city. She wanted a Frantz on her new Honda.went to a Frantz Amsoil dealer. He had a display of Classic Frantz oil cleaners. I saw Frantzs I didnt know John Frantz had. When she moved to Texas she wanted me to put AC in it..Told her it wasnt worth it. Too much salt damage.She gave it to a church member that was needing a car . I got a call years later asking me if I wanted the car. It had over 350.000 miles on it.and had a engine noise.
I thimk if I converted Motor Guards again I wouldnt put a center tube in like a Frantz. I would put a spacer in the bottom and top thick enough to compress the core slightly. The only reason I put somethimg in the top is to keep the core from going all the way to the top and stopping the flow. I would make sure the core is sealed. You could get inventive on the bottom seal if you have a lathe.. Then all you do is tell the customer to use a strong paper so the core wont collapse. The Gulf.Coast junior has a center tube but it does nothing except to make it easier to remove the TP.. The only reason the regular Frantz needs a center tube is so the oil pressure will push the TP core down against the core seal. With the bottom loaders you have no way to push the core down against the core seal that is too small for the bigger core.. worked fine for the old 1 1/2 inch cores or the Frantz elements. The old design wasnt an engineering masterpiece. Its easy to see why the better filters are top loaders. I think the Gulf Coast junior has a 1 3/8 inch center tube. When you pull out the tube the seal and TP comes out with it. On the Jackmaster Classic I use long nosed pliers. The Jackmaster Classic has a fabric cover with a pull ring. A guy on another forum says if they were. Any good they wouldnt be only used by the uninformed. Might have been the same guy that says TP breaks down in a septic tank. One guy said they worked good in the old days before they started designing toilet paper to disolve in water. One guy says if you wipe with wet TP your finger will break thru.
I installed a MotorGuard M100 on my Ford V10 when I bought it. The oil was in bad shape, so I thought it was a good candidate to test the M100. I never changed the oil, but installed the M100 and changed the full flow filter. The engine was really dirty and plugged the M100 every 500 miles. After 10 filters the engine cleaned up and I changed M100 rolls every 3000 miles after. I put 25,000 miles with no oil changes, just a roll of TP every 3000 miles. I still have the truck, just a standby rig incase I ever need to use it.
We had trouble in the 60s. Some engines were sludged up so bad the Frantz could fill up in less than 50 miles.I was telling people to change the Frantz every 2000 miles and put in a quart of oil. My Rambler American engine was pristine before I put on the Frantz. It was nearly new. It took about one day for the Frantz to turn the oil from black to amber. The Rambler came factory equipped with a spin on bypass filter bolted to the flat head 6 with steel oil lines..The over head valve engines came with a full flow filter. Told my uncle we have to change the Frantz every 50 miles or open the engine and remove the sludge.Also he had removed the thermostat. Said they werent needed in California. Thats all the excuse he needed to trade the car in on a new pickup. We put the Frantz on that. Like a fool I went to Oklahoma and put A Motor Guard on my dads 51 Pontiac. Gave my cousin a new Motor Guard. Went to a family reunion about 20 years later. I was reminded of the worthless filter that filled up with sludge and quit working. My cousin said the kids were playing catch with the Motor Guard and hit it on a rock. I was able to salvage the top half. No telling what happened to the hose and fittings and the bracket. Told my wife lets get the hell out of here.
boy that thumbnail... I thought you were going to make a tutorial for a lonely day.
Lol, thanks for watching.:)
You can mess up your equipment real fast if you dont know what you are doing. When I was doing it It was learn as you go. I was getting a lot of animal fat. All of the restaurants had contracts with companies that pick it up. For awhile the city of Denton Texas was picking it up and making biodiesel. A lot of trucks had trouble with it..There were some lawsuits. It swells orings for one thing.The manual pump on the Datsun used to prime the system locked up. The Datsun had a simple injection pump that could handle the cooking oil better than the more complicated Ford 6.9 injection pump. I had a formula like 30 gallons of cooking oil and 5 gallons of gasoline and some cleaner. I had a 35 gallon plastic tank in the bed of the Datsun.
That's true, I'm coming up to 11 months running the veg and have all the bugs worked out. I'm running 90% veg and 10% gasoline and that works perfect. As fall is quickly approaching I'm installing a heated second tank so I can run 12 months of the year on veg. I have 2 restaurants I collect from every two weeks and they have nice clean Canola oil. All in all very happy with running wvo.:)
Was talking to a guy that designed the Motor Guard oil filter. At the time he had a Peugeot diesel. He had a restaurant that set aside containers of canola oil in the containers it came in. I had a 55 gallon drum with a hand pump. I was actually stealing it. I had a stainless steel elevated tank. I would let it settle for a few days. I had a big Fleetguard that I had converted to use Bounty big roll paper towels.It was beutiful but too much animal fat. One time I changed the toilet paper 3 times going 22 miles to work.The old 6.9 Ford had two 50 gallon truck saddle tanks. I called a company that collected the oil. They gave me a price about the same as I could get diesel at the starion.. Sometimes I would get a layer of pure white lard on top of the TP that looked like you could fry eggs in it..
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NICE!!!
Thanks for watching.:)
About 1971 I was putting a Motor Guard on a 71 GMC Sprint.Like a Chevy El Camino. My first experience with plastic fender panels. A potato farm near Sand Point Idaho. Mosquitoes were eating me up. Heard a commotion. I was surrounded by elk. The farmer said its hunting season. They know they are safe here. His daughter was a beauty. Later she came into my garage for a minor repair. My wife came by. She said what is she doing here. I said for a car repair. She said yes I bet she did. The lady is in her 80s now. Probably still looks good.
That's a cheap filter, good idea :)
Thanks, doesn't get much cheaper than that.:) Thanks for watching.:)
As you know the origional Motor Guards compressed the TP down against the inlet. Not so good filtering fuel. I dropped a wire coil in the bottom for fuel. One of my Motor Guard customers tried to change the TP with the engine running.He made a mess. He told me to take the filter back which I did. Didnt expect that. The guy is a lot smarter than I am. He didnt ask me to clean the garage or the car. Correction. It was a Frantz. You can imagine flipping the over center clamp with the engine running. The Motor Guard would have started leaking.. It was hard to turn the T handle under pressure on the Motor Guard. My guess is it was a Quiet running engine. He didnt realize he forgot to turn it off. I had to stop using the Gulf Coast junior for air at work. It had the over center clamp. Compressed air can kill you. Mr Sims of Gulf Coast Filters would have raised hell if he knew all the things I used his filters for as a mechanic for Safety Kleen. He said dont ever use sandwich adapters with my filters. Someone down there asked me how to put a filter on a Humvee. I said use a sandwich adapter.. All hell broke loose.In those days the Hum Vee had a 6.2 GM diesel. Thats when I decided to bring back the Motor Guard. Motor Guard liked the idea until they realized this guy will use TP in them like the origionals. Every so often the coating will seperate from the aluminum. I told them to send me 100 with no coating.
That was the last straw.using TP and removing the coating. Their elements are like coffee filter paper in a roll wirh a leak proof plastic core. They tell people the reason the coating sometimes seperates is leaving them full of fluids. The coating was perfect after about 20 years full of gasoline on the Camry. The coating seperated in a few weeks on the Farmall. Filtering gasoline explain that. I cant. We didnt drain oil with the Frantz in the 60s. When Frantz came out with their own elements it was if you use TP you should change the oil.