How Bad is A Nightmare On Elm Street 5 The Dream Child? | A Retrospective Documentary | Planet CHH
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I feel like Dream Child is a very serious story, and that Freddy is basically the only thing comical about it, but he’s still menacing in his own way. I love the gothic look of the film. The special effects and costume designs are some of the best in the series. I also really dig the character of Alice, and I think Lisa Wilcox kills it in that role. Great video, Christian! 🤘🏻
That motorcycle sequence is one of the best uses of practical effects in the franchise imo
On the workprint that scene is longer.
I have great nostalgia for it. I actually saw this one in theaters back in '89 with one of my puppy loves. A neighbor of my aunt. My aunt was the one who brought us to see it that opening nite.
I love Part 5, I think it's ranked in the middle of the series. There's some silly Freddy moments but it also has a lot of genuinely creepy scenes and I love the gothic horror vibe it has. The unrated version on VHS or laserdisc is crucial.
Love your review! It’s my favorite in the franchise!
I loved the F13 Retrospectives! Hyped for you to do ANOES!
I enjoy 5. Greta's death sequence is iconic! 😂
Dude. That's an intelligent, focused, well thought-out review 👏
Great video😊😊😊😊
I love this movie and still re-watch it frequently. Now that I’m older I can see that it was rushed and a lot doesn’t make sense but I still enjoy it. My one big issue with the movie is a lack of the classic Freddy music score and sounds.
I still think the title sequence is the creepiest in the series. I prefer the first 2. But I actually like this one more than some others
You can say that the Bike death with Dan is a great kill, and it is. Especially with the unedited version. But the rest of that movie is just bad
Number 5 was the only one that I never managed to acquire on vhs.
The sad fact is I actually thought this was scary back in 89, sometimes I wish I could go back to that mind frame and experience it again!
I thought Part 7 was the scariest one. The idea that the entity of Freddy Krueger could separate from the actor and kill off the entire production crew and cast and then could teleport into the real world or jump franchises makes Freddy eternal. Yes, Wes had plans to have Freddy Krueger crash the Scream franchise at some point, but he never got around to it.. the darker more evil Freddy that is.
I liked Part 5 because the unrated version has the expanded sequence of his mother getting locked in the asylum with all the maniacs. More of Amanda Krueger's backstory is revealed too. Part 6 was the absolute worst for me, Rosanne and Tom Arnold in a Freddy movie, oh hell no!
Director Stephen Hopkins did some great films after this, Predator 2 and judgment night.
What About Lost in space
Yeah that and The Ghost and the Darkness.
Can’t help but agree. 5 is underrated af. And at least they try to make Freddy more evil and menacing again (outside of the dumb Greta death scene).
For me, the first 5 films & "New Nightmare" are all solid. "Freddy's Dead" is the only one that is weak & unwatchable for me. And I know people hate part two, but I feel it fits in with the first five, making them all pretty cohesive. It also sucks though that the MPAA really beat the crap out of this film with the death sequences, causing them to cut things out from them in order to get the R rating. And sadly, it seems a lot of horror films suffered around the late 80's from the MPAA being so strict (just look at "Friday The 13th: The New Blood", as every death sequence is basically a cut away & not shown compared to previous installments). I'm glad you still enjoy this film, as it seems like it's rare to find people that enjoy it like I do.
It is criminal that the unrated cut is stuck on old formats
I find it odd that people keep saying "abortion is a major theme of the movie" when in actuality its only brought up once the entire movie when Mark suggests it and Alice shuts that down real quick and it's never brought up again
Definitely more scenes about grandparents rights to take custody of a child.
The Suckling is more intact with that theme and uses it better than part 5 😂
As a reviewer said I don’t believe this group would’ve been friends like in part 4
Nightmare 4&5 had the same problem as Halloween 4&5...both came out within 10 months of each other.
Great video CHH! BUT....Alice is no Nancy. :)
Alice is better
@@nialllappin4159 No Nancy....No Alice :)
I love ANOES5. It's terribly underrated. I've said this elsewhere: I split the Elm Streets into two types of films: 'series films' and 'stanadalone anthology' films. The first, third, fourth and fifth form a complete serial narrative. The second, sixth, seventh and eighth films are like a short story collection exploring non-canon ideas: Freddy as a representation of Jesse's sexual hangups, 'What if Freddy won?', 'What if Freddy could come into the real world?' and 'What if Freddy could meet characters from other horror series?' ANOES5 is a bold finale to the narrative started in the original movie.
ANOES5 was following hot on the heels of the 'MTV Freddy' ANOES4, which was when Freddy became an icon globally. The TV show, Freddy's Nightmares, was also running at the time ANOES5 came out, with some pretty outlandish censor-baiting material, so the film was released in a fairly saturated market. It could have copied and pasted ANOES4 and Freddy's Nightmares, but instead took a darker, less commercial turn. Stephen Hopkins deals with some heavy material. For a series which generally aimed for the teen market and was known for its increasing comedy content, the film includes the rape of Sister Mary Helena, kids moving on from high school into adulthood, teen pregnancy, bereavement while pregnant, abortion, single parenthood and all parents' fear of their child being manipulated and abused by an evil adult. It's stronger stuff than a lot of young viewers were probably looking for in a franchise slasher at the time.
I saw the fifth film uncut on satellite TV in the early 1990s and was disappointed. I rewatched the entire series a while ago and completely changed my mind, even if the Blu-ray was an edited version. The film is one made for fans of the series who have grown up: I was 18 when I watched it first time and often ignored it in the boxsets. At 48, I found it a very different experience. Where my appreciation of the first, third and fourth has remained constant, I feel ANOES5 is a brilliant end to a (probably unintentionally) cohesive four film storyline: Freddy comes back from the dead and starts killing; over the years, he becomes more and more powerful, then Alice - who is from outside the cursed families - emerges as his direct opposite to weaken him and, finally, in a supreme act of self-sacrifice, Sister Mary Helena takes her monstrous child back into her womb and locks herself away for eternity.
The kills are frequently ingenious. They're less laugh-out-loud funny than ANOES4 and there's a return to the cruelty of earlier films. Dan's death is agonising and made worse when we discover he was a soon-to-be dad. And Greta is a character straight out of Heathers who clearly has a terrible home life. The auto-cannibalism scene is probably one of the grossest and most surreal in the series. Mark was also an interesting character - more than just a stereotypical nerd. His heavily-edited death scene is actually reminiscent of Will Stanton's in ANOES3, with the adoption of comicbook superpowers, so I had no problem with 'Super-Freddy'.
There's a sense of time moving past (reflecting the end of the 1980s) and Lisa Wilcox knocks her performance out of the park, with a vulnerable Alice having to suppress her grief over Dan to try to save her son and stop Freddy. Alice's dad has sobered up and become responsible and Alice's friend Yvonne Miller is almost a surrogate mother at times (excellently played by Kelly Jo Minter.)
I'll always defend this film: I love it.
I agree with so much of this. I consider parts 1-5 as one continuous story and the other movies as stand-alone. I also like how parts 5 and Freddy’s Dead are very early 90’s American culture.
Best comment, hands down. So much thought put into a film that you clearly love. And as someone who's always enjoyed all the Elm Streets, I like how you broke the original films down the way that you did. 😉
It’s my favorite in the franchise!
The reason I've heard that the Freddy makeup wasn't as detailed or as good as Parts 1, 2, 3, 4
was a time saving, cost-cutting decision, they wanted Robert Englund in the makeup chair for 3 hours instead of 6 hours, and even the makeup was rushed for Part 5, everything was rushed!🤣
The tendon puppet master in 3 is brutal
Baby Freddy is awesome. But the sound he does, hurts my ears. One other thing, i love this one more and more every time i watch it
Hearing you talk about how Freddy was always known as a fun-loving character trips me out. I was born in '81 and I was probably five or six the first time I watched A Nightmare On Elm Street. Then part 2 shortly after. And I think from 3 on I watched them all as soon as they were available to rent.
I'm telling you, not much scared me more as a child than Freddy Krueger.
I have a bit of sentimental attachment to this movie, as this is the very first movie that I have ever bought back in the day. The Media VHS with the complete footage and Whodini music video. Have always loved the Gothic atmosphere with the whole asylum. Love Mr Johnson having a recovery arc. Of course the death scenes were all pretty fantastic. I feel like if they skipped the whole Dan's parents trying to get custody of the baby thing, I feel like it would have been better paced, fans really just wanted to see what methods Freddy would use to smite the teens.
The original Part 5 was originally supposed to be Amanda Krueger's story, Freddy's mother. How she was locked in an asylum for a whole week and raped by one hundred maniacs. Freddy wasn't supposed to be in it at all.
Yeah my whole family felt some way when they heard you put Alice over Nancy …
This was the second Elm Street film I’ve ever seen. I purchased that very VHS you showed from Blockbuster in the early 90s. I have always really liked Elm Street 5. I love the set pieces. I love Freddy’s personality. I’ve always loved the story.
Why was there a baby freddy he got burnt as an adult lol
A physical form of what "Freddy Krueger" represented at that point in time
Will the Unrated Cut of Part 5 be released on 4K?
Planet chh went over this in another video. Yes. There is also supposed to be unrated cuts of Parts 2, 3, and 4 as well. I don't know if there is a new version of Freddy's Dead, but I believe the international cut of New Nightmare is coming, and if we're lucky, all the lost footage and deleted scenes to Part 7. Wes's original screenplay for New Nightmare was somewhere upwards of about 3 hours long.
I know what you mean about defending Part 5. When I first saw it, I thought it was incoherent and worse than Final Nightmare. Looking back, though, if you look through some of rougher bits. There's an AMAZING movie/concept buried in it. I think Dream Child has so much more to dig into compared to Part 4, and if they had more time and less studio interference, I imagine, we would have a movie on par with Part 3.
Very bad, loved 4
I like all of the nightmare on elm street films except for Freddy's dead. Witch I think is the worst in the nightmare on elm street franchise. But I will re-watch Freddy's dead in 2025 when the 4k release comes out. To see if it is still as bad as I remember seeing it in theaters
I love Dream Child! The premise is creative, Alice's arc from mousy teen to fierce mama bear is one of the best in the series. I love the cast of characters. Dan, Yvonne, Greta and Mark are some of my favorites with a surprising amount of depth. I also love the character growth of Alice's drunkard father. The gothic atmosphere is on point and the movie/Freddy try to be scary again. There may be better entries in the franchise but I will reach for Child more often than most of the others.
It’s not bad it’s awesome!
"HEY, DANNY! BETTER NOT DREAM AND DRIVE!"
I always knew about Freddy, in the late 80s and early 90s he was everywhere. Like Heather tells the doctor in New Nightmare. I first saw this one on TV on Halloween afternoon one year when it fell on a weekend, I think I was 9 at the time. It’s not my favorite, but it’s got a few scenes and lines that I appreciate.
It isn´t bad. Its my favorite of the franchise. Has the darkest atmosphere, the most interesting fun and funny characters, added to the lore of Freddy and Alice is at her best.
My favorite also!
The Dream Child was Rushed, it's Bad, but it has a lot that I like about it, the demise of Freddy in Part 5 was kind of weak compared to Parts 3 & 4, but I do enjoy Part 5. Cool video!😃👍
The remake is worse than 5.
But I can’t really talk shit because I like Freddy’s Dead.
It’s a black comedy more than a horror movie.
Honestly I think part 5 is better then part 4 but I agree it could be better!
Halloween 5 and A nightmare on elm street 5; total mix bags of some good stuff and terrible stuff.
A nightmare on elm street is a guilty pleasure, but less so then Friday the 13th part 8. I rather watch Friday part 8 then Elm street 5 or Halloween 5.
A nightmare on elm street 5 is the official down hill of the Elm street franchise. Freddy looks awful in the movie. The "bubblegum" makeup is terrible.
Freddy is far more comedic and "family friendly" and "hammy", feels lackluster, and there is an element of "They aren't even trying anymore" and it's just an overall terrible sequel.
Now the GOOD things about the movie? THERE ARE NONE!!!!!!!
....just kidding. The comic book character is always a stand out. His death scene is pretty cool. "Super Freddy" is cool. The comic book guy turning into his super hero is pretty cool.
Has that girl from Summer school - Kelly Jo Minter in it, she's fun to see. The asylum and hospital dream scenes are really good. To be honest, seeing that room full of the criminally insane and seeing Freddy's mom get locked in with them. Super creepy. Very effective. Disturbing. The church and all that is good. The bike death is cool. Baby Freddy is cool.
But I got to disagree in terms of 1989; Halloween 5, A nightmare on elm street 5, and Friday the 13th part 8. I think Friday part 8 is clearly the better film among the three.
And how ironic that all 3 of those major slasher franchises that ruled the 80's, had their official bad sequels at the literal end of the 80's.
And I think of "Something about that late 80's feel" I also get from A nightmare on elm street, but I feel it even more when it comes to Friday the 13th part 8. Friday part 8 feels like late 80''s on steroids in a lot of ways.
Overall, when I look back at the A nightmare on elm street franchise....I think to my self "How awesome the franchise could of been" but they had to make Freddy goofier and goofier and make the movies worse and worse. At least Friday had 7 straight films. Same with Predator. I love Predator and Predator 2, but the rest of the franchise? It's like "how come nobody has been able to get it right?!" and Screw Prey. Prey was generic; mediocre and it's like "Come on! You can do a lot with the Predator franchise. Why can't anybody make a GOOD Predator movie?!" and Predator 2 is basically Ghostbusters 2, Jaws 2, and Pet Semetary 2; oh, the first movie so good and a classicm and it doesn't live up to the original film. TRUE...but they sure as hell are better then what came later. They are still really good movies and sequels. The best sequels they could of made and did make. And I got to ask....what is it with Predator 2?! Is it the over the top gore?! Like what makes it a bad sequel? Especially compared to the later movies?! Predator 2 is a blast. It's fun as hell, it's brutal and violent "oh it's a early 90's action movie" AND?! THAT'S A BAD THING?! What's bad about that?! How exactly is that a criticism?! Again, I've never seen an actual criticism of Predator 2 where they actually justify it being a bad sequel other then "compared to the oriignal" and yet they give Prey a generic as f**k sequel a higher rating?! Makes no sense. Predator 2 is not generic. Maybe it is the over top action and gore?! I watched the resident evil George Romero documentary a few days ago and the main reason why he never got to direct was because the "head boss" of the company wanted a PG13 MAINSTREAM MOVIE, while Romero's script was "too violent" full of gore and would "appeal to a smaller audience"...IS THAT WHY PREDATOR 2 is disliked?! Because it isn't a mainstream generic as f**k movie?! Seriously, I can't wrap my brain around why Predator 2 had the reputation it has. it is 20X better then ANY of the sequels that came later.
But again, Nightmare on elm street should of been like Friday the 13th. We should of gotten at least 7, 8 good sequels till it started to go down hill. So I am always lamenting that fact when I go to bed at night; "what could of been..."
I love groos horror movies
I love the fact that there was no cgi
It's not that bad.
When I was about 6 I think I walked into my parents watching Nightmare 1 on cable after I was supposed to be in bed. It was the scene where Freddy is chasing Nancy in her booby trapped house and he tells her he'll split her in two." I screamed and my mom yelled at me for coming down after my bed time and chased me back to my room. That was my first experience with Freddy. lol 😁
The first time I was allowed to see a Freddy film was when I was 8 and it was Nightmare 2 .My mom had let me watch that one with them once they judged if i could handle it. I saw Nightmare 3 on VHS when it first hit rental with them too. The humor that started to creep in with sequels was my way in and I finally watched the first film shortly after that. So I knew Nancy first really from Nightmare 3 before Nightmare 1(minus the scene I walked in on at age 6)
The first Elm Street film I saw in the theater was when I was 9 years old with my dad and that was Nightmare 4 which I loved and was my favorite for years after that(as I got older ,Nightmare 1 & 7 moved to the top but Nightmare 4 holds a special place since it was the first one I saw in the theater.).
I saw Nightmare 5 in the theater with my dad the following summer too. I think Nightmare 5 has a creepy vibe to it that I think the score played a part in. Plus ,I still find baby Freddy freaky.
I feel like people sleep. Music to Freddy's ears
This is a good film in the franchise. It is better than part 4 and better than part 2. It is creative, good kills, funny jokes, very cool sets and imagery, and the story is way better than the fourth one. Even the ending is way better. The part in the asylum and the rape and the birth… damn!!!!
The only truly bad movie in the series is FREDDY´S DEAD and even that one has its moments.
And yes, the 80´s movie had a unique style to them. Particularly the dark atmosphere. For instance,The Little Mermaid. For as incredible as that movie is, and how beloved it is, it has its dark moments. And the movie came out in 1989. In 1990 the next Disney movie happened and it was The Rescuers Down Under and you can tell the 90s had arrived given how bright and colorful it was.
No NOES film is as bad as the remake
Part 5 is the worse one. I have a better time with Freddy's Dead. ill rewatch it once the 4k comes out and hopefully that better cut comes out.
The basic concept for this one isn't bad but what hurts this film is the fact it's honestly just to somber and to slow. What the director tried to do was create a more old school gothic horror vibe tone like a Hammer Horror film. Because the director was dealing with female subject matter like unborn children and such he wanted to make the film very serious in tone and more focused on the dramatic vibe of Alice being pregnant. The problem with this is that even in more serious slasher flicks you still have to have fun with the material this is what 3 and 4 got right they we're fun films this one isn't it's simply to slow with to low of a body count it's to somber.
If you took this same plot and concept but made it more fun with more kills like 3 and 4 with more Freddy scenes this one would have done better in the box office the reason it did lesser then 3 and 4 is because the movie lacks the fun of those movies. As is I don't hate this movie it's just a step down from 3 and 4 this one for me is in the alright range I don't hate don't love it the flick is fine for me I like the gothic visuals I like Lisa Wilcox and I actually don't mind the comic book dream sequence. I still would have preferred Freddy's Dead being a direct sequel to 5 instead of basically a stand alone. In terms of the plot according to the writers the idea is that Alice son has inherented her dream master powers he can bring people into his dreams but unlike Alice he can't control his powers because he's to young. Freddy basically wants to use the kids dream powers to bring him new victims and since he's still inside Alice body she can sense the dreams of her unborn baby so she's entering the dream world even when she's awake. I think the plot is cool but because they rushed the film the movie just lacks the fun charm of the 3rd and 4th it simply needed more entertainment factor more cool fun Freddy scenes and more kills making a part 5 with only 3 deaths big mistake.
Part 2 and 6 is worse than 5
No way, part 2 is my favorite one!
@85wastedyears Part 2 had THE best Freddy!
@@tommyricknell2829 Definitely.
Part 6 maybe, but part 2?? No
Part 2 Freddy was hella scary!! And Jesse was fierce!! 🙌
But the dream child isn't a bad movie he is more communicate and this one told her later on but as far as like Freddy versus Jason and part 2 85 with Jesse in it he was that I think that's the most brutal I've ever seen Freddie and more nastier more twisted as the second one part 285 is probably as far as we're going to get from not comedic maybe Freddy versus Jason I think he's back to formula on that one but he does have some real nasty parts in that one but a combination of later installments like the motorcycle change of the dude
Part 5 has some of the most interesting ideas of the entire franchise, however, it fails in the execution in my opinion.
Seen it in theatres when it first came out and maybe a few times on VHS/DVD over the years and it’s a decent sequel. The kills are original and creative but by this point Freddy was not scary. He’s more like an anti-hero going around and doing his thing in this one. I will say it’s better than Freddy’s Dead…you could tell by the time that was released they were out of ideas what to do with Freddy.
I think part 5 is a piece of crap BUT I also believe it's a gorgeous-looking piece of trash. There's nothing you can do to save a movie where someone thought it was a good idea to have Freddy on a skateboard, but I appreciate Stephen Hopkins' visual style. I've always been a fan of the man. I love pretty much all of his movies. Good and bad.